How clever does Savage look now?

[BackOfTheNet]

15 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

You backing both horses in a 2 horse race?

What are the odds on you looking for an argument for the sake of it? It’s clearly evident from my post that my belief is that we don’t have to wait until late in the window for quality, but that (unlike yourself, obviously) I don’t pretend to actually know everything so allow for the chance that maybe there are quality signings we have to wait for August. You do know that just because we’re on the Internet not everything has to be argued or that every opinion you have has to be conclusive, right? Go knock off a crafty one to relieve some stress, you may be less inclined to argue pointlessly with strangers for no reason.

[JamboAl]

11 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

What are the odds on you looking for an argument for the sake of it? It’s clearly evident from my post that my belief is that we don’t have to wait until late in the window for quality, but that (unlike yourself, obviously) I don’t pretend to actually know everything so allow for the chance that maybe there are quality signings we have to wait for August. You do know that just because we’re on the Internet not everything has to be argued or that every opinion you have has to be conclusive, right? Go knock off a crafty one to relieve some stress, you may be less inclined to argue pointlessly with strangers for no reason.

So you are backing both horses.  Not looking for an argument - just clarification. 

[BackOfTheNet]

7 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

So you are backing both horses.  Not looking for an argument - just clarification. 

I gave clarification. First in my original post that anyone could read for what it is and second to you since you asked. Because either you can’t read/comprehend or are looking for an argument. Anyone looking in can see which one you’re doing.

[BackOfTheNet]

“Backing both horses”, like everything in life is black or white. So infantile. Jesus.

[JamboAl]

1 minute ago, BackOfTheNet said:

“Backing both horses”, like everything in life is black or white. So infantile. Jesus.

You started off saying you think it's a myth and then say maybe it's not.  I merely sought clarification.

Sorry if I've upset you.

[BackOfTheNet]

 

[soonbe110]

9 hours ago, Thomaso said:

Any evidence to back up that crass comment?

Lots but not going to share it. 

[Leveins Battalion]

How clever does Joe look now?🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

How is this even a thread?!!!!

 

 

Lunatics have taken over the asylum.💩

[Ari Gold]

8 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

And that has continued, so why the pant wetting? 

My pants aren't wet. 

[cosanostra]

Kind of curious what our recruitment team have been doing for the last 2 months. 

We've gone from signing plenty of absolute awful players to signing almost no players.

I cannot believe we're starting a new league campaign with last years team minus Naismith and Irving but with a 20yr old loanee left back.

If Neilson is not in charge of recruiting talent any more, you have to feel sorry for the bloke. What chance does he have if he's given almost nothing to work with despite the obvious glaring gaps in the squad. 

 

[Thomaso]

1 hour ago, soonbe110 said:

Lots but not going to share it. 

Aye right so you thought you would just come on and slaughter a true Hearts legend just to be smart!

[GinRummy]

10 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

Kind of curious what our recruitment team have been doing for the last 2 months. 

We've gone from signing plenty of absolute awful players to signing almost no players.

I cannot believe we're starting a new league campaign with last years team minus Naismith and Irving but with a 20yr old loanee left back.

If Neilson is not in charge of recruiting talent any more, you have to feel sorry for the bloke. What chance does he have if he's given almost nothing to work with despite the obvious glaring gaps in the squad. 

 

When everybody is finished bashing **** out of everyone else and giving made up reasons why we have or haven't signed the payers we need, the above is the bottom line. 

 

What we are starting the season with is just not good enough and everybody, if they are being honest with themselves, knows that's the truth.

[Cut The Crap]

15 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

Kind of curious what our recruitment team have been doing for the last 2 months. 

We've gone from signing plenty of absolute awful players to signing almost no players.

I cannot believe we're starting a new league campaign with last years team minus Naismith and Irving but with a 20yr old loanee left back.

If Neilson is not in charge of recruiting talent any more, you have to feel sorry for the bloke. What chance does he have if he's given almost nothing to work with despite the obvious glaring gaps in the squad. 

 

Me neither. It’s just bizarre.

 

We have a huge team of analysts and recruitment specialists though. 👍

 

I guess we’ll find out soon enough whether this strategy is the right one.

[Thomaso]

20 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

When everybody is finished bashing **** out of everyone else and giving made up reasons why we have or haven't signed the payers we need, the above is the bottom line. 

 

What we are starting the season with is just not good enough and everybody, if they are being honest with themselves, knows that's the truth.

Well said GR 👍

[Hearts1975]

5 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

When everybody is finished bashing **** out of everyone else and giving made up reasons why we have or haven't signed the payers we need, the above is the bottom line. 

 

What we are starting the season with is just not good enough and everybody, if they are being honest with themselves, knows that's the truth.

Someone said it before - Neilson has almost zero credibility with a lot of the support at the moment.

 

there are a few making out that it’s personal attacks on the club, they aren’t real fans etc etc but the reality is, it’s more desperation and anger on their part, that not everyone is conforming with them and burying their heads in the sand, through some misguided notion, that everything will be ok 

 

I am somewhere in the middle at the moment. I listened to JS interview and I’m being honest in saying that I liked what he had to say. Didn’t disagree with any of it, including the fact that we might not hear much and until something has happened 

 

Best guess is that there is still a month to go - by all means, if we are sitting as we are, one month down the line, then that will be a real concern 

 

Bottom line is, and as I said before, there ain’t much leeway for the manager currently. If we start poorly, then it’s obvious from reading a lot of the threads at the moment, that the knives will be out 

 

As much as I don’t think Robbie is the man to take us forward the recruitment team (to date) aren’t giving him much support and tbf that isn’t his fault 

 

Hopefully we get some good news soon. I’m hanging onto hope that we are just in the final stages with some players and hopefully this will mean some good news shortly. There is still one month to go - no point starting tantrums at this stage as it would be egg on the face time if we announce 3 new arrivals next week. You just don’t know which is adding to the already notable tension. Everyone else doesn’t seem to be having issues bringing players in early, unless we are playing a different strategy to everyone else of course 

[GinRummy]

2 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Someone said it before - Neilson has almost zero credibility with a lot of the support at the moment.

 

there are a few making out that it’s personal attacks on the club, they aren’t real fans etc etc but the reality is, it’s more desperation and anger on their part, that not everyone is conforming with them and burying their heads in the sand, through some misguided notion, that everything will be ok 

 

I am somewhere in the middle at the moment. I listened to JS interview and I’m being honest in saying that I liked what he had to say. Didn’t disagree with any of it, including the fact that we might not hear much and until something has happened 

 

Best guess is that there is still a month to go - by all means, if we are sitting as we are, one month down the line, then that will be a real concern 

 

Bottom line is, and as I said before, there ain’t much leeway for the manager currently. If we start poorly, then it’s obvious from reading a lot of the threads at the moment, that the knives will be out 

 

As much as I don’t think Robbie is the man to take us forward the recruitment team (to date) aren’t giving him much support and tbf that isn’t his fault 

 

Hopefully we get some good news soon. I’m hanging onto hope that we are just in the final stages with some players and hopefully this will mean some good news shortly. There is still one month to go - no point starting tantrums at this stage as it would be egg on the face time if we announce 3 new arrivals next week. You just don’t know which is adding to the already notable tension. Everyone else doesn’t seem to be having issues bringing players in early, unless we are playing a different strategy to everyone else of course 

Good post. If the signings are of the right calibre and worth waiting for then the length of time it's taken will be quickly forgotten. Doesn't change the fact we are starting our first game in the top flight with a squad that's weaker than last season. That should concern everyone imo.

[JamboAl]

34 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

Kind of curious what our recruitment team have been doing for the last 2 months. 

We've gone from signing plenty of absolute awful players to signing almost no players.

I cannot believe we're starting a new league campaign with last years team minus Naismith and Irving but with a 20yr old loanee left back.

If Neilson is not in charge of recruiting talent any more, you have to feel sorry for the bloke. What chance does he have if he's given almost nothing to work with despite the obvious glaring gaps in the squad. 

 

The way some posters talk about Savage one gets the impression he is some sort of overlord.  If RN is not in charge of recruiting talent then he is not MANAGING the team; he is beholding to Savage but carries the can if things go wrong.  That strikes me as the same play as with CL, only different actors.

My hope is that the manager is in charge of deciding who/what is wanted with Savage responsible for identifying possibilities and then the manager makes the final decision about our (main) target.

[Hearts1975]

2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Good post. If the signings are of the right calibre and worth waiting for then the length of time it's taken will be quickly forgotten. Doesn't change the fact we are starting our first game in the top flight with a squad that's weaker than last season. That should concern everyone imo.

He (JS) made it clear, that if Player X was unrealistic in his demands, he would be told to jog on. Rightfully so IMO 

 

We just don’t know what the strategy is around having back up’s if Plan A fails. He seemed bullish and also relaxed when interviewed, but with the new scout coming in, and an obvious revamp on the cards, it would be nonsensical to expect, come the end of August, we will be as we are now with the playing squad.

 

Here’s hoping anyway. Fully agree with you - we are way short as it currently stands. 

[frankblack]

7 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Someone said it before - Neilson has almost zero credibility with a lot of the support at the moment.

 

there are a few making out that it’s personal attacks on the club, they aren’t real fans etc etc but the reality is, it’s more desperation and anger on their part, that not everyone is conforming with them and burying their heads in the sand, through some misguided notion, that everything will be ok 

 

Complete nonsense.

 

People are quite rightly rounding on the group of incessant negative posters who do nothing but criticise EVERYTHING the club does.

 

7 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

I am somewhere in the middle at the moment. I listened to JS interview and I’m being honest in saying that I liked what he had to say. Didn’t disagree with any of it, including the fact that we might not hear much and until something has happened 

 

Best guess is that there is still a month to go - by all means, if we are sitting as we are, one month down the line, then that will be a real concern 

 

We clearly need a few players in but nobody here knows what is going on behind the scenes so everything you are reading is speculation or assumptions.

 

7 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Bottom line is, and as I said before, there ain’t much leeway for the manager currently. If we start poorly, then it’s obvious from reading a lot of the threads at the moment, that the knives will be out 

 

Some have had their knives out since he came in the door.  It was laughable how desperate they were to make out that we were in crisis after losing a pre-season bounce match to Sunderland.

 

There is no doubt whatsoever that the usual suspects have had their pants around their ankles wishing for Celtic to hammer us this weekend.

 

7 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

As much as I don’t think Robbie is the man to take us forward the recruitment team (to date) aren’t giving him much support and tbf that isn’t his fault 

 

Hopefully we get some good news soon. I’m hanging onto hope that we are just in the final stages with some players and hopefully this will mean some good news shortly. There is still one month to go - no point starting tantrums at this stage as it would be egg on the face time if we announce 3 new arrivals next week. You just don’t know which is adding to the already notable tension. Everyone else doesn’t seem to be having issues bringing players in early, unless we are playing a different strategy to everyone else of course 

 

If we don't get some movement in the next fortnight I'll be asking questions too.

[May one-six]

9 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Someone said it before - Neilson has almost zero credibility with a lot of the support at the moment.

 

there are a few making out that it’s personal attacks on the club, they aren’t real fans etc etc but the reality is, it’s more desperation and anger on their part, that not everyone is conforming with them and burying their heads in the sand, through some misguided notion, that everything will be ok 

 

I am somewhere in the middle at the moment. I listened to JS interview and I’m being honest in saying that I liked what he had to say. Didn’t disagree with any of it, including the fact that we might not hear much and until something has happened 

 

Best guess is that there is still a month to go - by all means, if we are sitting as we are, one month down the line, then that will be a real concern 

 

Bottom line is, and as I said before, there ain’t much leeway for the manager currently. If we start poorly, then it’s obvious from reading a lot of the threads at the moment, that the knives will be out 

 

As much as I don’t think Robbie is the man to take us forward the recruitment team (to date) aren’t giving him much support and tbf that isn’t his fault 

 

Hopefully we get some good news soon. I’m hanging onto hope that we are just in the final stages with some players and hopefully this will mean some good news shortly. There is still one month to go - no point starting tantrums at this stage as it would be egg on the face time if we announce 3 new arrivals next week. You just don’t know which is adding to the already notable tension. Everyone else doesn’t seem to be having issues bringing players in early, unless we are playing a different strategy to everyone else of course 

That's a rather sweeping statement to make without evidence to back it up. Granted, there are regular posters on here who go on and on and on about their hatred for our head coach. But, there are others who clearly give him their backing. I'd say it's pretty foolish to assume Robbie has zero credibility among a majority of the support without undertaking a proper survey (not one on JKB) or witnessing mass demos at Tynie demanding his head.

[Jeffros Furios]

41 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

Aye right so you thought you would just come on and slaughter a true Hearts legend just to be smart!

Slaver110 believes everything he's told and it's usually a load of shite.

[Thomaso]

8 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Someone said it before - Neilson has almost zero credibility with a lot of the support at the moment.

 

there are a few making out that it’s personal attacks on the club, they aren’t real fans etc etc but the reality is, it’s more desperation and anger on their part, that not everyone is conforming with them and burying their heads in the sand, through some misguided notion, that everything will be ok 

 

I am somewhere in the middle at the moment. I listened to JS interview and I’m being honest in saying that I liked what he had to say. Didn’t disagree with any of it, including the fact that we might not hear much and until something has happened 

 

Best guess is that there is still a month to go - by all means, if we are sitting as we are, one month down the line, then that will be a real concern 

 

Bottom line is, and as I said before, there ain’t much leeway for the manager currently. If we start poorly, then it’s obvious from reading a lot of the threads at the moment, that the knives will be out 

 

As much as I don’t think Robbie is the man to take us forward the recruitment team (to date) aren’t giving him much support and tbf that isn’t his fault 

 

Hopefully we get some good news soon. I’m hanging onto hope that we are just in the final stages with some players and hopefully this will mean some good news shortly. There is still one month to go - no point starting tantrums at this stage as it would be egg on the face time if we announce 3 new arrivals next week. You just don’t know which is adding to the already notable tension. Everyone else doesn’t seem to be having issues bringing players in early, unless we are playing a different strategy to everyone else of course 

All sensible stuff - let’s all hope the strategy is correct.

Other teams are going into the Premier League with pretty settled teams who performed well in that league such as St Johnstone, Hibs, and even to an extent St Mirren, whilst others have recruited early allowing new players to bed in.

Lets hope players we bring in are fully fit and hit the ground running.

[Hearts1975]

5 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

The way some posters talk about Savage one gets the impression he is some sort of overlord.  If RN is not in charge of recruiting talent then he is not MANAGING the team; he is beholding to Savage but carries the can if things go wrong.  That strikes me as the same play as with CL, only different actors.

My hope is that the manager is in charge of deciding who/what is wanted with Savage responsible for identifying possibilities and then the manager makes the final decision about our (main) target.

Your right about the identification but I thought that Savage will take care of the negotiations. I don’t know if RN will say, give him X amount maximum, or whether he will leave it solely up to Savage to negotiate, and then Savage will work within a set budget.

 

It may be as simple that they discuss the financial budgeting together - honestly not sure how this piece will work. Would be good to know. 

[Hearts1975]

5 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

All sensible stuff - let’s all hope the strategy is correct.

Other teams are going into the Premier League with pretty settled teams who performed well in that league such as St Johnstone, Hibs, and even to an extent St Mirren, whilst others have recruited early allowing new players to bed in.

Lets hope players we bring in are fully fit and hit the ground running.

Absolutely 👍

[Rogue Daddy]

8 hours ago, BackOfTheNet said:

 

🤣🤣🤣 Guitar lessons! Never tire of that!

[jr ewing]

Budget needs to be increased or we're signing no one. 

[Hearts1975]

7 minutes ago, May one-six said:

That's a rather sweeping statement to make without evidence to back it up. Granted, there are regular posters on here who go on and on and on about their hatred for our head coach. But, there are others who clearly give him their backing. I'd say it's pretty foolish to assume Robbie has zero credibility among a majority of the support without undertaking a proper survey (not one on JKB) or witnessing mass demos at Tynie demanding his head.

Well, I haven’t got full survey and analysis to back up an opinion on this forum, but I would question the last time anyone did, before making a post 🤷‍♂️
 

I don’t know what the real split would be in all honesty. Any Hearts supporter is entitled to their opinion on whether they believe the current manager is the right person for the job 

 

As an FYI I did say a lot of the support. That’s different to a majority of the support.
 

I know a good few jambo’s who go to the games home, and away, and they are split right down the middle. Neilson doesn’t hold universal appeal, that’s for sure. 

[pointon]

The most most sweeping statement so far is we have a transfer strategy i right we’re is it

[feej]

57 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

When everybody is finished bashing **** out of everyone else and giving made up reasons why we have or haven't signed the payers we need, the above is the bottom line. 

 

What we are starting the season with is just not good enough and everybody, if they are being honest with themselves, knows that's the truth.

Totally agree, we're going up a league in quality, we've not added any quality. As others have said we're skint so let's hope we don't get into dog-fight at the wrong end of the league.

[Rogue Daddy]

32 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Someone said it before - Neilson has almost zero credibility with a lot of the support at the moment.

 

there are a few making out that it’s personal attacks on the club, they aren’t real fans etc etc but the reality is, it’s more desperation and anger on their part, that not everyone is conforming with them and burying their heads in the sand, through some misguided notion, that everything will be ok 

 

I am somewhere in the middle at the moment. I listened to JS interview and I’m being honest in saying that I liked what he had to say. Didn’t disagree with any of it, including the fact that we might not hear much and until something has happened 

 

Best guess is that there is still a month to go - by all means, if we are sitting as we are, one month down the line, then that will be a real concern 

 

Bottom line is, and as I said before, there ain’t much leeway for the manager currently. If we start poorly, then it’s obvious from reading a lot of the threads at the moment, that the knives will be out 

 

As much as I don’t think Robbie is the man to take us forward the recruitment team (to date) aren’t giving him much support and tbf that isn’t his fault 

 

Hopefully we get some good news soon. I’m hanging onto hope that we are just in the final stages with some players and hopefully this will mean some good news shortly. There is still one month to go - no point starting tantrums at this stage as it would be egg on the face time if we announce 3 new arrivals next week. You just don’t know which is adding to the already notable tension. Everyone else doesn’t seem to be having issues bringing players in early, unless we are playing a different strategy to everyone else of course 

 

Good post and totally agree. Could lack of signings be a reflection on how the board view RN?.... are they waiting to see how we start the campaign before backing him fully? Who knows! But as GR says, we're starting this campaign weaker (squad wise) than last season... and this is a step up. The only positives (personnel wise) is a fit Souttar and Haring. I'm not sure how far RN can take us, but if he's to be our manager - he should be backed. Hopefully we'll see some signings this week.

[Nookie Bear]

46 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Good post. If the signings are of the right calibre and worth waiting for then the length of time it's taken will be quickly forgotten. Doesn't change the fact we are starting our first game in the top flight with a squad that's weaker than last season. That should concern everyone imo.

 

My frustration is that we are giving Savage until the end of the transfer window before judging him, but he (as part of the management team) is judged on results and we kick off properly this Saturday with one new signing.

 

So in one fell swoop, Robbie and Joe have ready-made excuses for a poor start: "we couldn;t get the players in on time" etc etc

 

On one hand i understand the difficulties clubs are facing getting players in - although i suspect this does not appkly as much for domestic transfers - but on the other i feel the club does not really appreciate how important a good start to the league campaign is.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Nookie Bear

[Hearts1975]

14 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Complete nonsense.

 

People are quite rightly rounding on the group of incessant negative posters who do nothing but criticise EVERYTHING the club does.

 

 

We clearly need a few players in but nobody here knows what is going on behind the scenes so everything you are reading is speculation or assumptions.

 

 

Some have had their knives out since he came in the door.  It was laughable how desperate they were to make out that we were in crisis after losing a pre-season bounce match to Sunderland.

 

There is no doubt whatsoever that the usual suspects have had their pants around their ankles wishing for Celtic to hammer us this weekend.

 

 

If we don't get some movement in the next fortnight I'll be asking questions too.

Responses in order: 

 

Some of the comments yes, but not all. Whether you like it or not, some have real concerns that he is the right man to take us forward - me included. I never thought he was the right man in the first place in all honesty - putting some of last seasons results to one side. Still he got us back up at the first time of asking and he will get his chance this season.  
 

Agree with this. Can’t see us walking into this season as we are. Still time left, although the longer it goes, the noise will increase. On another note, the scouting team has just been revamped - I am of the view that they should at least get a full transfer window before being judged or criticised 

No question, having a melt down at the Sunderland game was more to do with Brora, Alloa and that Maltese lot, than Sunderland, per se. That’s what happens though - it really is about belief. If it isn’t there in the first place, then the knives will come out 

 

Havent read anyone saying that they hope Septic skelp us! Read a few saying that they think they will smell us, which is an entirely different point 

 

And so you should 👍

[Hearts1975]

1 minute ago, Hearts1975 said:

Responses in order: 

 

Some of the comments yes, but not all. Whether you like it or not, some have real concerns that he is the right man to take us forward - me included. I never thought he was the right man in the first place in all honesty - putting some of last seasons results to one side. Still he got us back up at the first time of asking and he will get his chance this season.  
 

Agree with this. Can’t see us walking into this season as we are. Still time left, although the longer it goes, the noise will increase. On another note, the scouting team has just been revamped - I am of the view that they should at least get a full transfer window before being judged or criticised 

No question, having a melt down at the Sunderland game was more to do with Brora, Alloa and that Maltese lot, than Sunderland, per se. That’s what happens though - it really is about belief. If it isn’t there in the first place, then the knives will come out 

 

Havent read anyone saying that they hope Septic skelp us! Read a few saying that they think they will skelp us, which is an entirely different point 

 

And so you should 👍

Edit 

[Hearts1975]

15 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said:

 

Good post and totally agree. Could lack of signings be a reflection on how the board view RN?.... are they waiting to see how we start the campaign before backing him fully? Who knows! But as GR says, we're starting this campaign weaker (squad wise) than last season... and this is a step up. The only positives (personnel wise) is a fit Souttar and Haring. I'm not sure how far RN can take us, but if he's to be our manager - he should be backed. Hopefully we'll see some signings this week.

Here’s hoping 👍 not sure if it’s not a case of them backing him or not. Think it’s more to do with getting the “right” deals over the line. It’s late and it would be good to have some good news now, but until that transfer window is shut, new arrivals could be announced as early as next week, for all we know 

 

I don’t think anyone (as GR rightfully pointed out) including anyone at the club could be honest, and say, that we could go into next season with no further additions. The club must know this as well and have to go all out to make it happen. 

[Bazzas right boot]

2 hours ago, Ari Gold said:

My pants aren't wet. 

 

 

That's what somebody who's pants were wet would say! 

😜

[Bazzas right boot]

10 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Responses in order: 

 

Some of the comments yes, but not all. Whether you like it or not, some have real concerns that he is the right man to take us forward - me included. I never thought he was the right man in the first place in all honesty - putting some of last seasons results to one side. Still he got us back up at the first time of asking and he will get his chance this season.  
 

Agree with this. Can’t see us walking into this season as we are. Still time left, although the longer it goes, the noise will increase. On another note, the scouting team has just been revamped - I am of the view that they should at least get a full transfer window before being judged or criticised 

No question, having a melt down at the Sunderland game was more to do with Brora, Alloa and that Maltese lot, than Sunderland, per se. That’s what happens though - it really is about belief. If it isn’t there in the first place, then the knives will come out 

 

Havent read anyone saying that they hope Septic skelp us! Read a few saying that they think they will smell us, which is an entirely different point 

 

And so you should 👍

 

 

At least two posters have said they hope we do poorly so Bob gets sacked. 

 

 

[GinRummy]

12 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

My frustration is that we are giving Savage until the end of the transfer window before judging him, but he (as part of the management team) is judged on results and we kick off properly this Saturday with one new signing.

 

So in one fell swoop, Robbie and Joe have ready-made excuses for a poor start: "we couldn;t get the players in on time" etc etc

 

On one hand i understand the difficulties clubs are facing getting players in - although i suspect this does not appkly as much for domestic transfers - but on the other i feel the club does not really appreciate how important a good start to the league campaign is.

Good post. Don't really disagree with any of it.

[Bazzas right boot]

14 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

My frustration is that we are giving Savage until the end of the transfer window before judging him, but he (as part of the management team) is judged on results and we kick off properly this Saturday with one new signing.

 

So in one fell swoop, Robbie and Joe have ready-made excuses for a poor start: "we couldn;t get the players in on time" etc etc

 

On one hand i understand the difficulties clubs are facing getting players in - although i suspect this does not appkly as much for domestic transfers - but on the other i feel the club does not really appreciate how important a good start to the league campaign is.

 

 

Actually pretty fair. 

 

The thinking must be that the squad is good enough to "hold it's own" for 3/4 games. I'd agree with that unless we get 2/3 players wiped out in the first week. 

 

I'm also hopeful the hold up is the general English contract situation and we'll see movement next week and get at least a couple of signings in for our second league game. 

 

Time will tell. 

[Rogue Daddy]

5 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Here’s hoping 👍 not sure if it’s not a case of them backing him or not. Think it’s more to do with getting the “right” deals over the line. It’s late and it would be good to have some good news now, but until that transfer window is shut, new arrivals could be announced as early as next week, for all we know 

 

I don’t think anyone (as GR rightfully pointed out) including anyone at the club could be honest, and say, that we could go into next season with no further additions. The club must know this as well and have to go all out to make it happen. 

🤞... backing him is just something that has crossed my mind (with lack of signings) the last week or so... and may well be wide of the mark. Personally, I think it's more to do with a mixture of Covid and Brexit that's changing/skewing the transfer landscape... and coupled with our 'zero leaks' approach, it makes it doubly frustrating. It's been a strange window. 👍

[Hearts1975]

4 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

At least two posters have said they hope we do poorly so Bob gets sacked. 

 

 

I didn’t see the posts. Maybe they think that the sooner it happens, the better it will be for us and in the long run 🤷‍♂️ I honestly don’t know 

 

I hope he gets it right, but genuinely, I just can’t see it. I wasn’t behind his appointment in the first place  

 

I hate the hatred thing for him - all the phoodle shite - don’t agree with that at all. he’s an ex club servant and I fully believe he has the clubs best interests at heart.

 

It was AB’s call to appoint him in his role - you can’t blame him for taking her up on it 

[May one-six]

36 minutes ago, Hearts1975 said:

Well, I haven’t got full survey and analysis to back up an opinion on this forum, but I would question the last time anyone did, before making a post 🤷‍♂️
 

I don’t know what the real split would be in all honesty. Any Hearts supporter is entitled to their opinion on whether they believe the current manager is the right person for the job 

 

As an FYI I did say a lot of the support. That’s different to a majority of the support.
 

I know a good few jambo’s who go to the games home, and away, and they are split right down the middle. Neilson doesn’t hold universal appeal, that’s for sure. 

You make a lot of sensible points. I'm simply wary of a myth growing that the majority of Hearts fans are currently anti our head coach. I know there is a loud section that detest him, but I think that's a minority. I think most are willing to give him an opportunity to succeed, and very few who are big cheerleaders. That's all imho, of course.

[Hearts1975]

3 minutes ago, May one-six said:

You make a lot of sensible points. I'm simply wary of a myth growing that the majority of Hearts fans are currently anti our head coach. I know there is a loud section that detest him, but I think that's a minority. I think most are willing to give him an opportunity to succeed, and very few who are big cheerleaders. That's all imho, of course.

That’s fair. The more time goes on, the more I am wary, for want of a better word, that maybe RN is suffering a bit, from being perceived by some, as being one of a few in AB’s circle of potential Hearts Managers that would only be considered for the gig whilst she remains 
 

She went left field, with Stendel, and we all know what happened there, but I guess if you look at Levein, Cathro, Daly, Neilson and McPhee, they all have one thing in common, and that’s ultimately a pre existing connection through to AB. All 5 have managed in the 7 years, and since she arrived 
 

I wonder, and if it doesn’t, work out with RN, what, our next move would be ?
 

Would AB have the guts to go left field again, or employ someone outside her own circle. She may very well do, but it’s still a question worth posing, and if she is still in charge, when or if, something happens 
 

RN has this season, and we can sign players for another 4 weeks so there is still time although we are cutting it fine. We have to start well. Not so worried about the Septic game, but more the other games that we are aggressive enough in our forward passing, pressing and tempo. 

[5jambo1]

23 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Actually pretty fair. 

 

The thinking must be that the squad is good enough to "hold it's own" for 3/4 games. I'd agree with that unless we get 2/3 players wiped out in the first week. 

 

I'm also hopeful the hold up is the general English contract situation and we'll see movement next week and get at least a couple of signings in for our second league game. 

 

Time will tell. 

exactly my thinking. The last time we were in this league the amount of injuries we had was off the scale. Imagine going into the Aberdeen game with Gordon, souttar, Haring and Boyce out…. Scary and touch wood that this does not happen. I personally believe our first 11 just now will be good enough for 6th/7th/8th but 1 or 2 injuries we are in trouble 
 

RN and JS have openly said we are going to be bringing in players. The fact he said he was close to 2 signings on a fans podcast makes me think and hope it is the contract situation for English based players as he came across reasonably confident. 
 

As you say time will tell, let’s just hope they are worth the wait! 

[Never Let Them Forget]

1 hour ago, jr ewing said:

Budget needs to be increased or we're signing no one. 

How do you know what our budget is?

[Thomaso]

47 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

At least two posters have said they hope we do poorly so Bob gets sacked. 

 

 

Must have missed these posts Tosh - when were they posted?

Edited July 27, 2021 by Thomaso

[Hearts1975]

33 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said:

🤞... backing him is just something that has crossed my mind (with lack of signings) the last week or so... and may well be wide of the mark. Personally, I think it's more to do with a mixture of Covid and Brexit that's changing/skewing the transfer landscape... and coupled with our 'zero leaks' approach, it makes it doubly frustrating. It's been a strange window. 👍

I never said you weren’t correct 👍 I guess that’s the thing though. With the club going to ground and to protect any resultant leaks means that speculation within the fan base will increase.

 

I suppose you can’t have one with out the other. 

[Thomaso]

16 minutes ago, 5jambo1 said:

exactly my thinking. The last time we were in this league the amount of injuries we had was off the scale. Imagine going into the Aberdeen game with Gordon, souttar, Haring and Boyce out…. Scary and touch wood that this does not happen. I personally believe our first 11 just now will be good enough for 6th/7th/8th but 1 or 2 injuries we are in trouble 
 

RN and JS have openly said we are going to be bringing in players. The fact he said he was close to 2 signings on a fans podcast makes me think and hope it is the contract situation for English based players as he came across reasonably confident. 
 

As you say time will tell, let’s just hope they are worth the wait! 

I agree with all that. Your comment that our first 11 are only good enough for 6th/7th/8th shows how much our Club has slumped in the last 5 years.

[Harry Potter]

we have to be more clinical in front of goal, 21 shots , 57% of shots on target, one goal,

Cant blame Neilson for this, the players have to shoulder some responsibility for not gaining a seeded place.

[jambopilms]

11 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

I agree with all that. Your comment that our first 11 are only good enough for 6th/7th/8th shows how much our Club has slumped in the last 5 years.

It doesn't show anything because it's just an opinion, not a fact.

[jr ewing]

31 minutes ago, Never Let Them Forget said:

How do you know what our budget is?

Basic £1500 plus bonuses.