energy prices

[Cade]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

 

And nobody bats an eyelid.  

Never mind that shite, Dave from Essex has been cheating his universal credit!

GET HIM

[Victorian]

Just now, Cade said:

Never mind that shite, Dave from Essex has been cheating his universal credit!

GET HIM

 

They'll be regionalising the UC rate before too long.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Never mind that shite, Dave from Essex has been cheating his universal credit!

GET HIM

Shocking intit. People with nothing being vilified for trying to get by, by their own people, but Boris and his like are loarded for making us poorer. By these same folk. They need to stop listening to whatever or whomever they are listening to. Or reading. I used to think Scots looked after each other's backs, I was proved wrong.

[Dazo]

15 minutes ago, Cade said:

Never mind that shite, Dave from Essex has been cheating his universal credit!

GET HIM

What is the monetary threshold for cheating the system ? 

[The Mighty Thor]

15 minutes ago, Dazo said:

What is the monetary threshold for cheating the system ? 

Depends if its claiming too much benefit or giving your mates hooky contracts.

1p for the former tens of millions for the latter. 

[Victorian]

Zahawi has been mumbling about maybe more support in December or January.

 

Calm doon ffs.  There's no need to rush these things.  

[Jambo-Jimbo]

40 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

They'll be regionalising the UC rate before too long.

 

Surprised they don't do that already.

[Dazo]

11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Depends if its claiming too much benefit or giving your mates hooky contracts.

1p for the former tens of millions for the latter. 

That’s why I was asking Cade what he thought was the okay amount to steal as it varies so much. 

[WorldChampions1902]

20 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Zahawi has been mumbling about maybe more support in December or January.

 

Calm doon ffs.  There's no need to rush these things.  

That resounding “maybe” must be so reassuring for the millions of families facing fuel poverty.
 

TBF though, a large chunk of that cohort will have voted for this Junta, so at least they can look themselves in the mirror and vent about their crass stupidity. No doubt comforting themselves that they at least have “Levelling Up” to look forward to.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

That resounding “maybe” must be so reassuring for the millions of families facing fuel poverty.
 

TBF though, a large chunk of that cohort will have voted for this Junta, so at least they can look themselves in the mirror and vent about their crass stupidity. No doubt comforting themselves that they at least have “Levelling Up” to look forward to.

 

I'll give Spaffer and Zahawi some speculative credit because it appears to be them attempting to paint Truss into a corner on direct support.  Finance freed up.  Options drawn up.  Suggestions made public.  It makes it harder for Truss to plough on with her 'tax cuts only' fairytales.

 

By all means have tax cuts.  But also target ALL of the direct support to the poorest.  The poorest do not pay tax.

[Unknown user]

23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Surprised they don't do that already.

And risk the nation's unemployed flocking to affluent areas?

[Unknown user]

52 minutes ago, Dazo said:

What is the monetary threshold for cheating the system ? 

Legally or morally? I have no moral problem with the concept of cheating the system when the system is ****ing millions.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

And risk the nation's unemployed flocking to affluent areas?

 

Knowing the tories they'll give the poorest area's more money, to draw the unemployed away from affluent areas.

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Knowing the tories they'll give the poorest area's more money, to draw the unemployed away from affluent areas.

 

Well funnily enough their migrant resettlement system involves paying a private sector contractor to find housing for migrants at a capped cost level.  

 

Guess what?  The contractor cannot secure housing at the cost in the wealthy areas.

 

Well I never.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Victorian

[Cade]

The system should not be cheated by anybody.

The problem is that stolen money and the perpetrators of the stolen money are not chased up with the same effort.

It's very easy to chase benefit claimants and to sanction their pay to pay back what they owe.

But if you steal tens of millions you have very little chance of ever having to pay it back or to get jailed for your fraud.

 

FFS HMRC just wrote off £4billion stolen through furlough fraud.

 

Same rules do not apply equally.

That's the point.

[Mikey1874]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

And nobody bats an eyelid.  

 

Very little ever said about these 'failed' energy companies. Looks like success to me. Something about Ofgen rules. And there's more too. 

[Mister T]

5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Meanwhile your energy company going bust isn't such a bad thing after all. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cityam.com/peoples-energy-couple-set-for-hefty-dividend-pay-out/%3famp=1

I met David pike a couple of times when he had his own management consultancy. He struck me as being a bit of a posh del boy so I'm not surprised he's potentially coming out the other side ok.

[ri Alban]

15 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Facts……

if you vote snp there will  be no referendum.

Unless you can oust the ruling junta in Westminster .

Which you cannot.

If you want to improve the lot of people you really have to vote for a party that has a chance of Westminster power.

Or influence.

Simples.

You don't half talk pish.

[manaliveits105]

17 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Facts……

if you vote snp there will  be no referendum.

Unless you can oust the ruling junta in Westminster .

Which you cannot.

If you want to improve the lot of people you really have to vote for a party that has a chance of Westminster power.

Or influence.

Simples.

Fair comment the snp are firing blanks 

[OTT]

[dobmisterdobster]

17 hours ago, Cade said:

The system should not be cheated by anybody.

The problem is that stolen money and the perpetrators of the stolen money are not chased up with the same effort.

It's very easy to chase benefit claimants and to sanction their pay to pay back what they owe.

But if you steal tens of millions you have very little chance of ever having to pay it back or to get jailed for your fraud.

 

FFS HMRC just wrote off £4billion stolen through furlough fraud.

 

Same rules do not apply equally.

That's the point.

 

When you do such large scale handout schemes. Grifters will take full advantage.

[The Mighty Thor]

44 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

When you do such large scale handout schemes. Grifters will take full advantage.

Particularly the ones who set the rules. They always seem to do well out the public purse 

[The Mighty Thor]

Get a joab likesy

 

 

[Cade]

23 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Get a joab likesy

 

 

 

"Work more hours"

"Get a 2nd job"

"Ask for a pay rise"

 

These are ACTUAL suggestions made by Government Minsters over the last few months.

 

Of course, as soon as you do ask for a pay rise, you're dirty commie scum.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 hours ago, Cade said:

 

"Work more hours"

"Get a 2nd job"

"Ask for a pay rise"

 

These are ACTUAL suggestions made by Government Minsters over the last few months.

 

Of course, as soon as you do ask for a pay rise, you're dirty commie scum.

 

You forgot 'Switch to value brands', that was another one, they came out with.

[skinnybob72]

The price cap was introduced to protect customers from being fleeced by energy companies charging too much. 
 

It seems now that the cap protects the energy companies - they can buy from the ‘markets’ at whatever price they like knowing that the cap will be increased to pass that cost on to customers. 
 

[Unknown user]

On 12/08/2022 at 19:14, Cade said:

The system should not be cheated by anybody.

The problem is that stolen money and the perpetrators of the stolen money are not chased up with the same effort.

It's very easy to chase benefit claimants and to sanction their pay to pay back what they owe.

But if you steal tens of millions you have very little chance of ever having to pay it back or to get jailed for your fraud.

 

FFS HMRC just wrote off £4billion stolen through furlough fraud.

 

Same rules do not apply equally.

That's the point.

 

It shouldn't, but the system's ****ed and doesn't give people what they need. In fact, it's completely stacked against the people who need it most.

 

I can't hold it against anyone who cheats such a brutal welfare system, whether it's done out of greed, badness, principle, or need.

 

The system's not there for me or you, except as drones to feed it.

 

Anyway, back to the point.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Smithee

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Reports that Keir Starmer is to call for an energy price cap freeze at the current level in an announcement tomorrow.

 

Also heard on one of the news channels that Keith Anderson, the boss of Scottish Power is calling for the same thing, the energy price cap to be frozen at it's current rate for two years, and the government to provide support for the *energy suppliers* for them to absorb the increases.

*Energy suppliers, the ones who you pay your bill to, not to be confused with the energy companies the ones who are making billions in profits*

 

Keith Anderson is clearly concerned and with good cause that millions of people will be unable to pay their bills, this will then have a massive effect on the energy suppliers who will see the amount of money owed to them massively increase and with little chance of ever getting even half of it back, this in turn is going to push even more suppliers to the wall.

 

[henryheart]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Reports that Keir Starmer is to call for an energy price cap freeze at the current level in an announcement tomorrow.

 

Also heard on one of the news channels that Keith Anderson, the boss of Scottish Power is calling for the same thing, the energy price cap to be frozen at it's current rate for two years, and the government to provide support for the *energy suppliers* for them to absorb the increases.

*Energy suppliers, the ones who you pay your bill to, not to be confused with the energy companies the ones who are making billions in profits*

 

Keith Anderson is clearly concerned and with good cause that millions of people will be unable to pay their bills, this will then have a massive effect on the energy suppliers who will see the amount of money owed to them massively increase and with little chance of ever getting even half of it back, this in turn is going to push even more suppliers to the wall.

 

 

Very sensible. My immediate thoughts when this crisis developed was to scrap VAT, but with this approach you target the fat cats rather than the public purse.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

16 minutes ago, henryheart said:

 

Very sensible. My immediate thoughts when this crisis developed was to scrap VAT, but with this approach you target the fat cats rather than the public purse.

 

Does seem sensible and probably the right way to go.

Scraping the VAT would only be a few £'s a month, less than £5 pm currently for my bills, so not much savings.

Do bear in mind that if the government went down this road and the government absorbed the energy price increases, it would need to be paid back at some point, either by a long term small increase in your energy bills or through general taxation.

[The Real Maroonblood]

31 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Reports that Keir Starmer is to call for an energy price cap freeze at the current level in an announcement tomorrow.

 

Also heard on one of the news channels that Keith Anderson, the boss of Scottish Power is calling for the same thing, the energy price cap to be frozen at it's current rate for two years, and the government to provide support for the *energy suppliers* for them to absorb the increases.

*Energy suppliers, the ones who you pay your bill to, not to be confused with the energy companies the ones who are making billions in profits*

 

Keith Anderson is clearly concerned and with good cause that millions of people will be unable to pay their bills, this will then have a massive effect on the energy suppliers who will see the amount of money owed to them massively increase and with little chance of ever getting even half of it back, this in turn is going to push even more suppliers to the wall.

 

Keir Starmer.

I remember him.

That’s a blast from the past.

[Cade]

OFGEM is not fit for purpose. It's acting in the best interests of Big Energy, and not the people. It needs totally reformed.

 

Impose an affordable price cap.

If the energy companies moan, nationalise them.

 

It's really that feckin simple.

Big Energy either makes a bit less until wholesale prices drop again, or they end up making nothing.

Take it or leave it.

 

 

[Footballfirst]

42 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Reports that Keir Starmer is to call for an energy price cap freeze at the current level in an announcement tomorrow.

 

Also heard on one of the news channels that Keith Anderson, the boss of Scottish Power is calling for the same thing, the energy price cap to be frozen at it's current rate for two years, and the government to provide support for the *energy suppliers* for them to absorb the increases.

*Energy suppliers, the ones who you pay your bill to, not to be confused with the energy companies the ones who are making billions in profits*

 

Keith Anderson is clearly concerned and with good cause that millions of people will be unable to pay their bills, this will then have a massive effect on the energy suppliers who will see the amount of money owed to them massively increase and with little chance of ever getting even half of it back, this in turn is going to push even more suppliers to the wall.

 

Such a freeze should not need direct government support. The funds should be redirected from the windfall tax on the big energy companies. All for the common good. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

Such a freeze should not need direct government support. The funds should be redirected from the windfall tax on the big energy companies. All for the common good. 

 

That would be the prefered option, however the rate prices are rising even a windfall tax might not be enough to cover it all, especially for a couple of years.

[WorldChampions1902]

4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

That would be the prefered option, however the rate prices are rising even a windfall tax might not be enough to cover it all, especially for a couple of years.

So many options and permutations of options. The other thing is that nobody knows how long these colossal energy bills will go on for. One thing’s for sure, the days of average £1100 bills per annum are long gone and any future decreases will follow the mantra, “up like a rocket and down like a feather”.

 

Whatever ‘solution’ any new PM comes up with, it needs to be effective and durable. When one considers that furlough cost us around £70 billion and an effective solution to the energy bill crisis would cost a fraction of that, it illustrates that this crisis can be be resolved and quickly.
 

Whilst I accept that this heartless Junta are reluctant to implement any effective solution, even they are not deluded enough to believe that they are a stick-on at the next GE. For that reason, I can see them grudgingly resolving this problem whether by limiting the Price Cap or other means. They will then regularly remind the masses of their ‘generosity’ and support for the ordinary Joe for the next 2+ years.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

4 minutes ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

So many options and permutations of options. The other thing is that nobody knows how long these colossal energy bills will go on for. One thing’s for sure, the days of average £1100 bills per annum are long gone and any future decreases will follow the mantra, “up like a rocket and down like a feather”.

 

Whatever ‘solution’ any new PM comes up with, it needs to be effective and durable. When one considers that furlough cost us around £70 billion and an effective solution to the energy bill crisis would cost a fraction of that, it illustrates that this crisis can be be resolved and quickly.
 

Whilst I accept that this heartless Junta are reluctant to implement any effective solution, even they are not deluded enough to believe that they are a stick-on at the next GE. For that reason, I can see them grudgingly resolving this problem whether by limiting the Price Cap or other means. They will then regularly remind the masses of their ‘generosity’ and support for the ordinary Joe for the next 2+ years.

 

Yip, they simply can't ignore it, effective, wholesale and drastic action needs to be taken or they might not even make it to the next GE.

I think the quicker this lot realise that this is rapidly turning into a national crisis the better.

[Victorian]

Anything that sounds too socialist in nature will be resisted and resented by a large part of the idiots who sustain the junta in power.  Even if it costs them money.  The perception of peasants being helped or public money being handed out wont go down well.  Perversely,  a contributing factor is that the idiots are conditioned to this mindset by dogma fed to them by the junta.  

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

OFGEM is not fit for purpose. It's acting in the best interests of Big Energy, and not the people. It needs totally reformed.

 

Impose an affordable price cap.

If the energy companies moan, nationalise them.

 

It's really that feckin simple.

Big Energy either makes a bit less until wholesale prices drop again, or they end up making nothing.

Take it or leave it.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

Such a freeze should not need direct government support. The funds should be redirected from the windfall tax on the big energy companies. All for the common good. 

Both of these are bang on the cash.

 

The public purse should not be maintaining the multi billion profits per quarter on any business in any sector of the economy. 

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Reports that Keir Starmer is to call for an energy price cap freeze at the current level in an announcement tomorrow.

 

Also heard on one of the news channels that Keith Anderson, the boss of Scottish Power is calling for the same thing, the energy price cap to be frozen at it's current rate for two years, and the government to provide support for the *energy suppliers* for them to absorb the increases.

*Energy suppliers, the ones who you pay your bill to, not to be confused with the energy companies the ones who are making billions in profits*

 

Keith Anderson is clearly concerned and with good cause that millions of people will be unable to pay their bills, this will then have a massive effect on the energy suppliers who will see the amount of money owed to them massively increase and with little chance of ever getting even half of it back, this in turn is going to push even more suppliers to the wall.

 

 

A freeze?

I said way back months ago that we'd get to October, they'd freeze the prices, and expect us to be grateful for the massively inflated prices they've already imposed.

 

**** freezing it, get it massively reduced!

[Jeff]

24 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

A freeze?

I said way back months ago that we'd get to October, they'd freeze the prices, and expect us to be grateful for the massively inflated prices they've already imposed.

 

**** freezing it, get it massively reduced!

 

Exactly why Starmer gets branded as tory-lite

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Anything that sounds too socialist in nature will be resisted and resented by a large part of the idiots who sustain the junta in power.  Even if it costs them money.  The perception of peasants being helped or public money being handed out wont go down well.  Perversely,  a contributing factor is that the idiots are conditioned to this mindset by dogma fed to them by the junta.  

 

 

 

If Labour suggest it, then you just know the Tories will reject it, that is until they can dress it up as a plan that they came up with.

[Victorian]

23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

If Labour suggest it, then you just know the Tories will reject it, that is until they can dress it up as a plan that they came up with.

 

 

Windfall tax / Excessive profits levy.

[Footballfirst]

You might think Shell and BP's profits are excessive, but Saudi's Aramco has just reported a $48.4bn (£39.8bn) profit for the last quarter.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62539480

[Cade]

Newcastle fans will be rejoicing

[inspector]

My Mother-in-laws electricity bills were averaged out at approximately £1000 per month in 2018. Granted she had night store heaters on running on the reduced rate at night but only for the night-time rate. She was 93 so old ladies do get cold. Since we bought the house from the estate, we have now managed to get that rate down to £285 per month almost totally because we have insulated the house to a very high standard and I had hoped that amount would have come down but I doubt that now. What else am l supposed to do? Would my mother-in-law have been able to afford the price hikes? Doubt it. But the one thing l can be damn sure of, is that she would have received no help whatsoever from present government. She thought F****** Boris was a cheeky lad

[Cade]

Insulation is one of the ways forward.

 

If the government is going to refuse to do anything about blatant profiteering by Big Energy, then they need to heavily subsidise house insulation of all types, from loft and wall cavity to energy efficient windows, new boilers and pipe lagging.

Not only does this reduce energy bills and helps towards carbon neutral targets but also stops all that heat pissing out into the air.

 

 

[Dazo]

12 minutes ago, Cade said:

Insulation is one of the ways forward.

 

If the government is going to refuse to do anything about blatant profiteering by Big Energy, then they need to heavily subsidise house insulation of all types, from loft and wall cavity to energy efficient windows, new boilers and pipe lagging.

Not only does this reduce energy bills and helps towards carbon neutral targets but also stops all that heat pissing out into the air.

 

 

Is there anything you think people should pay for themselves or should the government pay for everything ? 
 

Pretty sure grants have been available for loft and wall insulation at various times for as long as I can remember. 
 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Is there anything you think people should pay for themselves or should the government pay for everything ? 
 

 

Ask MPs

 

They all seem to trousering north of 250k each on expenses. 

Things like amazon subscriptions etc. 

[Cade]

I'd have thought that with blackouts looming in the winter, it'd be in the national interest to insulate homes and reduce energy useage.

 

 

[Dazo]

30 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Ask MPs

 

They all seem to trousering north of 250k each on expenses. 

Things like amazon subscriptions etc. 

 

As long as they are claiming legitimate expenses then it’s the rules that are the problem. Many employees up and down the country benefit from paid for expenses.