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1 minute ago, Dazo said:

 

As long as they are claiming legitimate expenses then it’s the rules that are the problem. Many employees up and down the country benefit from paid for expenses. 

 

Well obviously, the whole system the Tories built is for them, not us.

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6 minutes ago, Cade said:

I'd have thought that with blackouts looming in the winter, it'd be in the national interest to insulate homes and reduce energy useage.

 

 


Absolutely, the point is grants have been available many times throughout the years so many homes that currently don’t have insulation really don’t have an excuse. 

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Got cavity wall insulation for free, from the Scottish Government, would have gotten loft insulation for free as well, but it had already been done and then we floored the attic over.

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1 hour ago, Dazo said:


Is there anything you think people should pay for themselves or should the government pay for everything ? 
 

Pretty sure grants have been available for loft and wall insulation at various times for as long as I can remember. 
 

 

We have paid approx 10k for wall insulation. Our walls are 150 year old sandstone which doesn't have great insulation properties and will only get worse. The Government put in roof and attic insulation for which we are grateful. Did this 18 months ago. God knows what the cost would be now. We were lucky with our timings.

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4 hours ago, inspector said:

My Mother-in-laws electricity bills were averaged out at approximately £1000 per month in 2018. Granted she had night store heaters on running on the reduced rate at night but only for the night-time rate. She was 93 so old ladies do get cold. Since we bought the house from the estate, we have now managed to get that rate down to £285 per month almost totally because we have insulated the house to a very high standard and I had hoped that amount would have come down but I doubt that now. What else am l supposed to do? Would my mother-in-law have been able to afford the price hikes? Doubt it. But the one thing l can be damn sure of, is that she would have received no help whatsoever from present government. She thought F****** Boris was a cheeky lad

£1,000 a month for electricity 4 years ago sounds very high. Was she running a meth lab........?

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3 minutes ago, Section Q said:

£1,000 a month for electricity 4 years ago sounds very high. Was she running a meth lab........?

Yeah I didn't want to ask, maybe she has a big grow room, and he's been helping her move from HPS to LED lights?

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41 minutes ago, Section Q said:

£1,000 a month for electricity 4 years ago sounds very high. Was she running a meth lab........?

 

Are they expensive to run?

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9 hours ago, Dazo said:

 

As long as they are claiming legitimate expenses then it’s the rules that are the problem. Many employees up and down the country benefit from paid for expenses. 

You think folk on 80 grand + should have all their expenses paid. Free energy as well. Oh and they've just given themselves a nice wee £2000 pay rise. Aye, but it's the wee guys who are the cadging *******s.

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29 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

You think folk on 80 grand + should have all their expenses paid. Free energy as well. Oh and they've just given themselves a nice wee £2000 pay rise. Aye, but it's the wee guys who are the cadging *******s.


Well they are based all over the country but also have London as their place of work so yeah they probably are due some expenses money. Do they get too much ? Yep probably but lento other governments have had the opportunity to change these things but they haven’t. It isn’t a Tory thing like it’s being made out. 

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9 hours ago, inspector said:

We have paid approx 10k for wall insulation. Our walls are 150 year old sandstone which doesn't have great insulation properties and will only get worse. The Government put in roof and attic insulation for which we are grateful. Did this 18 months ago. God knows what the cost would be now. We were lucky with our timings.


Can’t remember the figures but for our first flat we got the loft insulated very cheaply. We paid £150 for cavity wall insulation for our first house through our energy company thanks to government grants being offered at the time. You say it’s luck but it wasn’t really. The schemes were out there for help doing this for a long time. You done the right thing. 

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12 hours ago, Dazo said:


Is there anything you think people should pay for themselves or should the government pay for everything ? 
 

Pretty sure grants have been available for loft and wall insulation at various times for as long as I can remember. 
 

 

 

You realise it's not coming out Boris pocket? The money the government spend is literally ours. The whole point of a government is to look after the people, ours appears to be looking after themselves and shareholders first.

 

Obviously there's a balance to be had but **** me I can't believe anyone is even debating whether the government should be intervening on basics like energy.

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7 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

Are they expensive to run?

Apparently. Heap of them down Leith I hear.....!

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Less energy usage can only be a good thing. Insulation, making sure openings are well sealed and dressing appropriately for winter are the way forward imo.

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1 hour ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

You realise it's not coming out Boris pocket? The money the government spend is literally ours. The whole point of a government is to look after the people, ours appears to be looking after themselves and shareholders first.

 

Obviously there's a balance to be had but **** me I can't believe anyone is even debating whether the government should be intervening on basics like energy.


Who is arguing that ? I’m saying the government have been helping for many years to help people insulate their homes. Low earners or people benefits were able to get 100% grants to insulate their homes, while the rest of us got varying levels of help through the years. Really no excuse for not having it done before now. 

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43 minutes ago, Dazo said:


Who is arguing that ? I’m saying the government have been helping for many years to help people insulate their homes. Low earners or people benefits were able to get 100% grants to insulate their homes, while the rest of us got varying levels of help through the years. Really no excuse for not having it done before now. 

Except you could have moved home after the scheme ended. I have looked into getting cavity wall etc but there are no available schemes at the moment unless you are an oap, low earner etc.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Brightside said:

Except you could have moved home after the scheme ended. I have looked into getting cavity wall etc but there are no available schemes at the moment unless you are an oap, low earner etc.


Absolutely, that would be the fault of the previous owners though who could have taken advantage of the scheme. 

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1 hour ago, Taffin said:

Less energy usage can only be a good thing. Insulation, making sure openings are well sealed and dressing appropriately for winter are the way forward imo.

You need to allow for ventilation as well or there will a dampness build up . 

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On 14/08/2022 at 20:26, Victorian said:

Anything that sounds too socialist in nature will be resisted and resented by a large part of the idiots who sustain the junta in power.  Even if it costs them money.  The perception of peasants being helped or public money being handed out wont go down well.  Perversely,  a contributing factor is that the idiots are conditioned to this mindset by dogma fed to them by the junta.  

 

 

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9 hours ago, ri Alban said:

With blackouts comes less working hours.

 

I will not be surprised if some shops, especially smaller local shops cut their winter opening hours, to save on heating & lighting their shops.

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19 hours ago, Cade said:

I'd have thought that with blackouts looming in the winter, it'd be in the national interest to insulate homes and reduce energy useage.

 

 

Have a word with yourself! It’s not about people it’s about dividends for the shareholders. If the gov did all these things it’s mates would make less. 

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Kosovo becomes the first European nation to impose planned blackouts.

Due to the wholesale cost of importing electricity, Kosovo can no longer afford to import leccy.

It only has two power stations operational at the moment, with their other two being shut down for their normal pre-winter maintenance. All 4 plants run all the time in winter so they need to make sure they are working correctly.

Kosovo is only able to produce 2/3 of what it needs at the moment.

Usually importing the other 1/3 isn't a big problem but now it is.

 

Many of the other poorer European nations are expected to impose rolling blackouts in the coming weeks.

 

Grim.

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That ***** Brandon Lewis has been spouting lies about Labour's plan costing the same as furlough did.  Rancid lies.  The net cost to the country (on sovereign debt) is nowhere near.  It would need to carry on for about 3 years to be roughly the same.  

 

Lying *****.

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Just received this from BG 

 

Hello 

We know times are really hard at the moment, with rises in living costs putting pressure on your budget. And some of our customers may find it difficult managing their energy bills.

As you’re on a fixed tariff, rest assured - your prices won’t change. You’re fully protected against any rises in the cost of energy during your contract. Although we know it’s still a challenging time, we hope this brings you a little peace of mind.

We’re contacting you to let you know that, regardless of your circumstances, more support is on the way. The government has recently announced the new Energy Bills Support Scheme (EBSS), which will give households a £400 discount off their energy bills from October. You can find out more about the scheme and how it will work on our website.

 Find out more 

The Energy Bills Support Scheme (EBSS)

The EBSS is part of the government’s wider support to help households with the cost of living. It’s open to all domestic households who use electricity.

How much will I get?

Every household will get £400, paid over six months starting from October 2022. So you’ll get the following each month:

Month

Amount

October 2022

£66

November 2022

£66

December 2022

£67

January 2023

£67

February 2023

£67

March 2023

£67

If your electricity bills are less than £66/£67 a month, you’ll still get the same amount. You can carry on using the discount to pay for your electricity after March 2023 (until all the £400 is used up).

How do I apply?

You don’t need to do anything – every household will automatically get the discount. You don’t need to repay the discount and it won’t affect your credit rating in any way.

How do I receive the discount?

For Direct Debit customers, we’ll send the discount straight to your bank each month – like a refund – once your Direct Debit has gone through.

For example:
If your Direct Debit is £100 a month, you’d pay that as normal. Then a few days later, £67 will be paid in to your bank account. If your Direct Debit is less than £67 a month, say £50 for example, £50 will be refunded to your bank account and the remaining £17 will be applied as credit to your energy account.

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25 minutes ago, Imaman said:

Just received this from BG 

 

Hello 

We know times are really hard at the moment, with rises in living costs putting pressure on your budget. And some of our customers may find it difficult managing their energy bills.

As you’re on a fixed tariff, rest assured - your prices won’t change. You’re fully protected against any rises in the cost of energy during your contract. Although we know it’s still a challenging time, we hope this brings you a little peace of mind.

We’re contacting you to let you know that, regardless of your circumstances, more support is on the way. The government has recently announced the new Energy Bills Support Scheme (EBSS), which will give households a £400 discount off their energy bills from October. You can find out more about the scheme and how it will work on our website.

 Find out more 

The Energy Bills Support Scheme (EBSS)

The EBSS is part of the government’s wider support to help households with the cost of living. It’s open to all domestic households who use electricity.

How much will I get?

Every household will get £400, paid over six months starting from October 2022. So you’ll get the following each month:

Month

Amount

October 2022

£66

November 2022

£66

December 2022

£67

January 2023

£67

February 2023

£67

March 2023

£67

If your electricity bills are less than £66/£67 a month, you’ll still get the same amount. You can carry on using the discount to pay for your electricity after March 2023 (until all the £400 is used up).

How do I apply?

You don’t need to do anything – every household will automatically get the discount. You don’t need to repay the discount and it won’t affect your credit rating in any way.

How do I receive the discount?

For Direct Debit customers, we’ll send the discount straight to your bank each month – like a refund – once your Direct Debit has gone through.

For example:
If your Direct Debit is £100 a month, you’d pay that as normal. Then a few days later, £67 will be paid in to your bank account. If your Direct Debit is less than £67 a month, say £50 for example, £50 will be refunded to your bank account and the remaining £17 will be applied as credit to your energy account.

 

I wonder if the other energy suppliers will do the same as BG and refund the money straight back into your bank account.  Guess we'll find out soon enough.

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So this government grant is YOUR tax money being given back to you so you can give it straight to the energy companies?

 

:rofl:

 

State subsidised corporate greed, as per usual from the last 12 years of industrialised theft.

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41 minutes ago, Cade said:

So this government grant is YOUR tax money being given back to you so you can give it straight to the energy companies?

 

:rofl:

 

State subsidised corporate greed, as per usual from the last 12 years of industrialised theft.

Sponsoring 14 billion quarterly profits from the public purse.

Privatise profits socialise losses. The Tory mantra 

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1 hour ago, Cade said:

So this government grant is YOUR tax money being given back to you so you can give it straight to the energy companies?

 

:rofl:

 

State subsidised corporate greed, as per usual from the last 12 years of industrialised theft.

Folks on fixed rates handed £400……

what for?

the price rises they don’t have?

however, I digress .

profit is evil if your customers are being out in dire peril to maintain your profits.

Price freeze, no govt bail out nor subsidy,

if companies go to the wall take them over

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Just got the letter through the door from my provider today telling me what I’ve hot to look forward to from the end of September. 

I currently pay £80/month for dual fuel (£960/year) and after my deal is done its going up to £1986/year (£165.50/month). 
 

More than doubled. 
 

Just fantastic. 

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1 hour ago, doctor jambo said:

Folks on fixed rates handed £400……

what for?

the price rises they don’t have?

however, I digress .

profit is evil if your customers are being out in dire peril to maintain your profits.

Price freeze, no govt bail out nor subsidy,

if companies go to the wall take them over

 

Well, energy providers handed £400 in their name whether they want it or not, it's pretty mental!

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10 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Just got the letter through the door from my provider today telling me what I’ve hot to look forward to from the end of September. 

I currently pay £80/month for dual fuel (£960/year) and after my deal is done its going up to £1986/year (£165.50/month). 
 

More than doubled. 
 

Just fantastic. 

Shit as it seems getting it for 165 a month is actually a good deal. Who are you with?

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10 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Just got the letter through the door from my provider today telling me what I’ve hot to look forward to from the end of September. 

I currently pay £80/month for dual fuel (£960/year) and after my deal is done its going up to £1986/year (£165.50/month). 
 

More than doubled. 
 

Just fantastic. 

 

I think I might have really bad news for you, because what your provider has just quoted you will be based on the current price cap (£1971), it goes up again in October to somewhere around £3500. 

Don't be surprised if you receive another letter after OFGEM announce what the new price cap rate will be later this month.

That £80 you currently pay, will be more likely in the region of £300-£350pm come October.

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Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

I think I might have really bad news for you, because what your provider has just quoted you will be based on the current price cap (£1971), it goes up again in October to somewhere around £3500. 

Don't be surprised if you receive another letter after OFGEM announce what the new price cap rate will be later this month.

That £80 you currently pay, will be more likely in the region of £300-£350pm come October.

 

I was just away to say the same.

 

That £165 will become around £300 in October.

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13 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Shit as it seems getting it for 165 a month is actually a good deal. Who are you with?

E-on. I’m as frugal as I can be with electricity. Barely anything on standby. No lights on in rooms when nobody is in it. LED lights throughout, all

appliances at least A+ rating, wash clothes at 30deg on a short programme, dont use the dish washer, only use the correct amount of water in the kettle etc. Family have bought into it too. 
Gas central heating/shower from a combi boiler. Heating set for 21deg when needed and only on for an hour. House is super insulated. 
 

Dont know what else to do really!

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4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

I think I might have really bad news for you, because what your provider has just quoted you will be based on the current price cap (£1971), it goes up again in October to somewhere around £3500. 

Don't be surprised if you receive another letter after OFGEM announce what the new price cap rate will be later this month.

That £80 you currently pay, will be more likely in the region of £300-£350pm come October.

Yeah, that doesnt surprise me. 

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5 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

I think I might have really bad news for you, because what your provider has just quoted you will be based on the current price cap (£1971), it goes up again in October to somewhere around £3500. 

Don't be surprised if you receive another letter after OFGEM announce what the new price cap rate will be later this month.

That £80 you currently pay, will be more likely in the region of £300-£350pm come October.

They are taking the piss now, greed.

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Ainsley Harriott
Just now, Pans Jambo said:

E-on. I’m as frugal as I can be with electricity. Barely anything on standby. No lights on in rooms when nobody is in it. LED lights throughout, all

appliances at least A+ rating, wash clothes at 30deg on a short programme, dont use the dish washer, only use the correct amount of water in the kettle etc. Family have bought into it too. 
Gas central heating/shower from a combi boiler. Heating set for 21deg when needed and only on for an hour. House is super insulated. 
 

Dont know what else to do really!

Good effort you probably would have been well over 200 otherwise. Wish my family would take a leaf out your book I'm forever switching off lights and finding TVs left on when nobody is in.

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Just now, Harry Potter said:

They are taking the piss now, greed.

 

People can't pay that.

 

I can't pay it and we both work. You can't expect people to have budgeted for this kind of increase to energy bills so something has to give.

 

 

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Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

Good effort you probably would have been well over 200 otherwise. Wish my family would take a leaf out your book I'm forever switching off lights and finding TVs left on when nobody is in.

Its not been an easy path. Years of bloody moaning and threatning to cut pocket money/remove Playstations etc. I still have to bang on the bathroom door now and then when the kids are in the shower for more than 5 mins. 

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12 minutes ago, Harry Potter said:

They are taking the piss now, greed.

 

Greed, yes on the part of the energy producers, the people who dig it out the ground and or make the electricity, they're the ones making the huge eye watering profits.   The guys who you pay your bill to, the providers/suppliers, less so, as they have to pay the extortionate prices set by the producers, gas for example has went up somewhere around 400% in the space of a year, you surely don't expect them to sell it on to you at a loss.

 

The only exception are the companies which are producers & providers, such as Shell & EDF for example, the rest are mostly just middlemen, who have to buy the energy off the wholesale market at whatever rate the producers have set and then sell it onto to you and me.

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4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Greed, yes on the part of the energy producers, the people who dig it out the ground and or make the electricity, they're the ones making the huge eye watering profits.   The guys who you pay your bill to, the providers/suppliers, less so, as they have to pay the extortionate prices set by the producers, gas for example has went up somewhere around 400% in the space of a year, you surely don't expect them to sell it on to you at a loss.

 

The only exception are the companies which are producers & providers, such as Shell & EDF for example, the rest are mostly just middlemen, who have to buy the energy off the wholesale market at whatever rate the producers have set and then sell it onto to you and me.

 

Then why isn't every country experiencing the same domestic increases we are?

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2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Greed, yes on the part of the energy producers, the people who dig it out the ground and or make the electricity, they're the ones making the huge eye watering profits.   The guys who you pay your bill to, the providers/suppliers, less so, as they have to pay the extortionate prices set by the producers, gas for example has went up somewhere around 400% in the space of a year, you surely don't expect them to sell it on to you at a loss.

 

The only exception are the companies which are producers & providers, such as Shell & EDF for example, the rest are mostly just middlemen, who have to buy the energy off the wholesale market at whatever rate the producers have set and then sell it onto to you and me.

 

Exactly this. The reason why so many small, and not so small (Bulb) suppliers are going bust is that the price they have to pay is in excess of what the price cap dictates they can charge you and I. This explains why at the moment the best deal for customers is the price cap.

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13 minutes ago, henryheart said:

 

Exactly this. The reason why so many small, and not so small (Bulb) suppliers are going bust is that the price they have to pay is in excess of what the price cap dictates they can charge you and I. This explains why at the moment the best deal for customers is the price cap.

 

Then why isn't every country experiencing the same domestic increases we are?

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4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Then why isn't every country experiencing the same domestic increases we are?

 

Because of many reasons, such as better government support, better infrastructure such as acually have gas storage capacity such as Germany or being able to produce most of your energy themselves in the case of France being mostly nuclear thereby not relying on buying energy on the wholesale market.  More state owned percentages of energy companies etc etc etc.

 

However German & Italian customers are paying more than we are in the UK, this was in the Financial Times just last week.

Direct comparisons are difficult but the typical Italian household is forecast to spend around £2,300 annually at present, compared to a current British price cap of £1,971. A July estimate for households in Germany put the average bill at £2,759.

https://www.ft.com/content/0a5ebc7e-81a0-446f-8174-64ee270b0f4f

 

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Thank feck I got a new boiler a couple of years ago.

My gas usage is absolutely tiny compared to what it was with the old boiler.

 

 

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