Bazzas right boot Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, CJGJ said: Don't know if this has been posted SPFL RULEBOOK Page 22 clause 17 At the end of each Season (following completion of all League Matches in the Premiership in that Season) the Club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated to play and be eligible to participate in the Championship for and during the next Season.’ Clause’s 14 and 15 ‘The Clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these Rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 League Matches in any one Season.’ That last clause means they could end the league as is. It's clearly an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 If anyone seriously thinks those Celtic ***** would be arguing for average points had they been behind you must be zipped up the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Yes, I see your point. There will be a lot of conversations happening. I think there might be a proposal to play these leagues into the summer, in empty stadiums. A lot of opportunity to televise these games and complete competitions. Yeah, there are few options. You'd think there will be a general consensus across all leagues, if everyone does something different it will become more of a cluster ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: That last clause means they could end the league as is. It's clearly an option. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Why? Because it doesn't say 38 matches have to be completed.... .. Disregarding abandoned or postponed matches.. Edited March 13, 2020 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: That last clause means they could end the league as is. It's clearly an option. I don't think it does..it refers to abandoned or postponed and means those that were started or those that were postponed due to such things as weather not what we are facing...'disregarding any abandoned or postponed' which means it's 38 after taking account of any postponed or abandoned matches . ie if a game was abandoned then it does not count towards the 38...same with postponed matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, CJGJ said: I don't think it does..it refers to abandoned or postponed and means those that were started or those that were postponed due to such things as weather not what we are facing...'disregarding any abandoned or postponed' which means it's 38 after taking account of any postponed or abandoned matches . ie if a game was abandoned then it does not count towards the 38...same with postponed matches It's a technical get out imo for the league. We aren't clear imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: Because it doesn't say 38 matches have to be completed.... .. Disregarding abandoned or postponed matches.. Reading it different to me as per CJGJ reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: That last clause means they could end the league as is. It's clearly an option. Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qferryjam Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said: Teams would need to agree to it ofc. Would be same teams, just with a transfer window thrown in. Not that dramatic tbh. It's either that or as is or null and void and the arguments and law suits with continue Teams like Liverpool and Utd will have massive issue with null and void. Quite rightly as well, especially as there are other options. Either way needs to be agreed but adding a window would make it farcical, if Liverpool and Celtic are so desperate for the trophy give it to them ! With a big fookin Asterix with “champions by default “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: It's a technical get out imo for the league. We aren't clear imo. I can't agree but each to their own though I think you are reading too much into something that is pretty clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: It's a technical get out imo for the league. We aren't clear imo. Nah. It specifically says clubs are entitled to play 38 league matches. It also specifically says abandoned and postponed matches don't count towards that total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 This is a great opportunity to expand the league and keep everyone happy. I think Celtic will be declared champions, there will be no relegation , Utd will be promoted and there will be a 3 way play of to see who joins them in the SPFL . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Reading it different to me as per CJGJ reply Agreed the way I read that clause is that all teams have to play 38 games. What I think that means is that even if say eight of the teams have completed their games teams that have had postponed or abandoned the other four teams have to complete their games to finish the season. In other words abandoned games do not count toward the total... so games must be replayed to complete the 38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: If anyone seriously thinks those Celtic ***** would be arguing for average points had they been behind you must be zipped up the back yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) I don't know if it is just my sense of fairness BUT I cannot see how "declaring a season finished " is right regardless of who suffers... because let us be quite clear there are winners and losers all over the leagues no matter whether the teams are standout league leaders or bottom flounders with 9 games left to play you cannot declare some team the winners, relegated or promoted to do so would be madness. The season has to be either finished properly or declared null and void. The cup is easy you just declare there was no winner which would be appropriate... dismissing nine three point league games would not, in my opinion. Edited March 13, 2020 by jock _turd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: That last clause means they could end the league as is. It's clearly an option. Nah it means the opposite. I.e abandoned games don’t count towards the 38. Obviously there could be other rules that screw us but that one reads in our favour, without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Zlatanable said: UEFA and FIFA will have to make decisions quite quickly I think. With regards to next years Champions League/Europa League qualifying positions via the leagues in Europe. That decision is connected to Euro 2020, and FIFA Nations League, and World Cup Qualifiers, and the other FIFA associations and their competitions. Like you say, I think there will have to be a general consensus, and soon. It won't be fair, it can't be. But such is this situation. I am looking for a FIFA statement soon. UEFA online conference on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, CJGJ said: I don't think it does..it refers to abandoned or postponed and means those that were started or those that were postponed due to such things as weather not what we are facing...'disregarding any abandoned or postponed' which means it's 38 after taking account of any postponed or abandoned matches . ie if a game was abandoned then it does not count towards the 38...same with postponed matches That's what I read it to mean. 38 fully completed games must be played. Most competition rules though will have vague clauses to allow discretionary changes in exceptional circumstances. So nothing is really certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Reading it different to me as per CJGJ reply Maybe I got that wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsuperslim1874 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Folk should remember it’s not like we couldn’t overturn the current deficit - I.E we have played 30 games and mathematically couldn’t get away from bottom of the table. It’s still more than possible we could so - we shouldn’t feel bad if we end up staying in the premiership. Not our fault we might not get the chance to claw back the 4 points from 24 still available. Its not the same as Dons dodging the drop in the 90’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) I understand it as 38 complete games, but the clubs may have to take part on more than 38 in the event of abandonment etc to reach the 38. I cant see how they can apply a blanket 'league position as it stands' given in some leagues some teams that it would affect have played more/fewer games than other teams immediately around them Edited March 13, 2020 by Poseidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Muffin Man Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Kane’s left foot getting it spectacularly wrong yet again. A ‘likely’ tale. (Sic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of The Cat Cafe Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, stuart500 said: That's what I read it to mean. 38 fully completed games must be played. Most competition rules though will have vague clauses to allow discretionary changes in exceptional circumstances. So nothing is really certain. I'm guessing the SPFL are hoping that the leagues can resume at the end of April at the latest and, with a bit of urgency, the remaining scheduled league games can be played off in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Poseidon said: I understand it as 38 complete games, but the clubs may have to take part on more than 38 in the event of abandonment etc to reach the 38. I cant see how they can apply a blanket 'league position as it stands' given in some leagues some teams that it would effect have played more/fewer games than other teams immediately around them Yeah, to me as well now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Muffin Man said: Kane’s left foot getting it spectacularly wrong yet again. A ‘likely’ tale. (Sic) Seemed like healthy debate to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, bigsuperslim1874 said: Folk should remember it’s not like we couldn’t overturn the current deficit - I.E we have played 30 games and mathematically couldn’t get away from bottom of the table. It’s still more than possible we could so - we shouldn’t feel bad if we end up staying in the premiership. Not our fault we might not get the chance to claw back the 4 points from 24 still available. Its not the same as Dons dodging the drop in the 90’s. The fixtures aren't even either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Psychicjambo said: Teams that are losing revenue. Say St mirren fur example they had 2800 hearts fans through Tues. Hamilton would tahe about 150. So if they relegate us. A lot of clubs lose a lot of money. Hibs would lose two Derby gates a season if both where in top six or bottom 6. So a lot of clubs don't want hearts to go diwn financially. However the championship clubs would be delighted financially. . And the way things are just now every penny counts and clubs are going to ha e to cut their cloth accordingly. . The keep telling is scottish football needs celtic and rangers. They can only fill one end 4 times a season. So what's the difference. . Spfl will really have to consider this just as much re finance as fair play. We had 1300 there. They announced it over the tannoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 The only thing we can be reasonably sure of is that the SPFL will probably come to a decision, that has many of us scratching our heads and wondering how they came up with the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPatTam Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) Over the games played so far we are the worst side. Dundee Utd are the best by a stretch, it’s a no brainer we should go down and them up, if it was any other team we’d say that. Edited March 14, 2020 by ExPatTam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambotommy Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: Closed doors is all well and good unless players catch it or show signs and you have to self isolate. Cut it down to 5 a sides?? Corona sixes... 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 5 hours ago, ExPatTam said: Over the games played so far we are the worst side. Dundee Utd are the best by a stretch, it’s a no brainer we should go down and them up, if it was any other team we’d say that. There’s 6 points between the bottom 4 with the split still to play. It’s hardly a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 This thread is good for outing vermin if nothing else. The truth is no one knows what happens next but it does show how brutal that defeat was in midweek to leave us in this predicament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djseant Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 We have been shite for ages and tbh deserve to be relegated. Had plenty of must win games and this bunch clearly aren’t upto it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 51 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: This thread is good for outing vermin if nothing else. The truth is no one knows what happens next but it does show how brutal that defeat was in midweek to leave us in this predicament. Name them. Why do people resort to this when they read something they don’t like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, djseant said: We have been shite for ages and tbh deserve to be relegated. Had plenty of must win games and this bunch clearly aren’t upto it. Nobody deserves anything after 30 games of a season....of that we’re the case are we champions in 1986? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, djseant said: We have been shite for ages and tbh deserve to be relegated. Had plenty of must win games and this bunch clearly aren’t upto it. We don't deserve to be relegated whilst it's still very much mathematically possible that we can stay up. Everybody else down the bottom have been shite too. Do they deserve to be relegated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Name them. Why do people resort to this when they read something they don’t like? It's as boring and unoriginal as it is tiresome. Have a go at Hearts = Hibs fan. Yawn Zzzzzzzzzz....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) This thread is reeking 😂 do we deserve to go down - yup, will we go down If the season is canned.. nope 👍🏻 Edited March 14, 2020 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: This thread is reeking 😂 do we deserve to go down - yup, will we go down If the season is canned.. nope 👍🏻 Tbh, we don't dsereve to go down. Utd do deserve to come up tho and celtic do deserve the league title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Name them. Why do people resort to this when they read something they don’t like? The Mods don't like that. However, they do like reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: This thread is good for outing vermin if nothing else. The truth is no one knows what happens next but it does show how brutal that defeat was in midweek to leave us in this predicament. Yip, 1 win and we would not be giving a ****. 6 hours ago, ExPatTam said: Over the games played so far we are the worst side. Dundee Utd are the best by a stretch, it’s a no brainer we should go down and them up, if it was any other team we’d say that. Utd do deserve to be promoted. Liverpool deserve their title. Maybe even celtic. The top two are miles ahead. Do we deserve to go down? 4 points with 8 to play- no, not a chance. It's difficult tho, utd can't go up if we don't go down. No brainer? Tbh folk keep saying this and that is the only way, no brainer etc, simple. There are several possibilities- Play offs, finish the season (and change next), null and void, Finish as is, award titles but no relegation. Likley some more as well. Nothing is a given, a clear way or a no brainer all outcomes will have issues. Null and void with titles awarded is Likley the least complicated. Edited March 14, 2020 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Tbh, we don't dsereve to go down. Utd do deserve to come up tho and celtic do deserve the league title. No, they don't. They deserve NOTHING until it's mathematically impossible that they can be caught. Edited March 14, 2020 by Forever Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: No, they don't. They deserve NOTHING until it's mathematically impossible that they can be caught. Not imo, them and the likes of liverpool would have 100% won their leagues. Imo they do deserve to be promoted. Edited March 14, 2020 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stotty Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 If only those useless pricks had turned up and won at St Mirren, I'd be a lot more relaxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, stotty said: If only those useless pricks had turned up and won at St Mirren, I'd be a lot more relaxed. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, stotty said: If only those useless pricks had turned up and won at St Mirren, I'd be a lot more relaxed. Well said. Getting off the bottom of the league was very achievable mid-week and these gutless losers have now left us in a who knows what happens next situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Speaking to a journalist last night who I know and normally has his ear pretty close to things. He’s heard that the SPFL and the SFA have already accepted that this season is a wipe out now. Talks are underway with the clubs as to the way forward. A change in the format for next season is apparently the most favoured option. No relegation with the two teams at the top of the Championship coming up to for a 14 team top league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deevers said: Speaking to a journalist last night who I know and normally has his ear pretty close to things. He’s heard that the SPFL and the SFA have already accepted that this season is a wipe out now. Talks are underway with the clubs as to the way forward. A change in the format for next season is apparently the most favoured option. No relegation with the two teams at the top of the Championship coming up to for a 14 team top league. Most sensible approach and should be announced soon so clubs can make plans for next four months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viva hate Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deevers said: Speaking to a journalist last night who I know and normally has his ear pretty close to things. He’s heard that the SPFL and the SFA have already accepted that this season is a wipe out now. Talks are underway with the clubs as to the way forward. A change in the format for next season is apparently the most favoured option. No relegation with the two teams at the top of the Championship coming up to for a 14 team top league. EPL reported to be looking at similar, looks like the best way forward in my opinion. Celtic crowned champions as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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