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JJ93

Legally speaking, they cannot relegate us.

 

If we take a step back from being fans for a moment and realise that Hearts is a business and we have 24 points to play for and are only 6 points away from absolute safety and 4 points away from a play-off place, it would be totally inequitable to relegate a team under these circumstances and consequentially cause significant economic loss. It would be a law-suit waiting to happen.

 

If they end the league and relegate us there is no doubt in my mind that this would be seen as an unfair punishment on Hearts - regardless of current league form. It is highly unlikely that there are rules governing this predicament but they are not needed in this situation for Hearts, or whoever else, to prevail.

 

Whether the SFA take legal advice on this issue is another question.

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Forever Hearts

Correct. There's no way they can relegate Hearts when we are only six points behind. Although I do have sympathy for the likes of Dundee United. They've absolutely walked that league and now potentially they might not go up. Hard one to take for all concerned at Tannadice. 

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Mid Calder Jambo

By the same token if they stopped the leagues now Dundee Utd would have a major grouse.  There is no easy solution here and i an sure that the GFA will find the most stupid solution, the one thats suits the bum cheekd best.

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Walter Bishop

There was someone on twitter last night saying there is a rule in place that once 30 games were played they league positions would stand. This weekend completes 30 games played for all teams. (St Johnstone and Rangers on 29) 

 

 

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Mid Calder Jambo
1 minute ago, Forever Hearts said:

Correct. There's no way they can relegate Hearts when we are only six points behind. Although I do have sympathy for the likes of Dundee United. They've absolutely walked that league and now potentially they might not go up. Hard one to take for all concerned at Tannadice. 

Brilliant time to bite the bullet and reorganise the leagues.  Everyone would be happy then, other than St Johnstone, Kilmarnock and Livingston who sell their soul to the gruesome twosome.

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Walter Bishop

Promote two teams from each league and bring two into League 2 from pyramid. 

 

SPFL next season has 14 teams, Split into two 7s after 2 rounds = 26 games played then play each other twice, a further 12 games. Total games played 38.  

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Forever Hearts
5 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

There was someone on twitter last night saying there is a rule in place that once 30 games were played they league positions would stand. This weekend completes 30 games played for all teams. (St Johnstone and Rangers on 29) 

 

 

I really hope that isn't true. 

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JJ93
8 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

There was someone on twitter last night saying there is a rule in place that once 30 games were played they league positions would stand. This weekend completes 30 games played for all teams. (St Johnstone and Rangers on 29) 

 

 

Legally actionable. Not a chance it would stand up in court.

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jambokev
9 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

There was someone on twitter last night saying there is a rule in place that once 30 games were played they league positions would stand. This weekend completes 30 games played for all teams. (St Johnstone and Rangers on 29) 

 

 

Was it Scott Broon by any chance ?

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milky_26
6 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Promote two teams from each league and bring two into League 2 from pyramid. 

 

SPFL next season has 14 teams, Split into two 7s after 2 rounds = 26 games played then play each other twice, a further 12 games. Total games played 38.  

yep do that and then next season relegate three teams from each league to rebalance the leagues, alongside the usual playoffs

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JJ93
Just now, milky_26 said:

yep do that and then next season relegate three teams from each league to rebalance the leagues, alongside the usual playoffs

That's a good idea but I would prefer them to expand the league long-term but yes good idea.

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Haken
2 minutes ago, JJ93 said:

Legally actionable. Not a chance it would stand up in court.

If, as suggested above, there is a rule which stipulates a minimum number of games played, and the clubs have signed up to that along with all other rules, then would it be actionable?

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Bozi
14 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

There was someone on twitter last night saying there is a rule in place that once 30 games were played they league positions would stand. This weekend completes 30 games played for all teams. (St Johnstone and Rangers on 29) 

 

 

So we need to come up with a reason to postpone sundays game... .

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IveSeenTheLight
15 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Promote two teams from each league and bring two into League 2 from pyramid. 

 

SPFL next season has 14 teams, Split into two 7s after 2 rounds = 26 games played then play each other twice, a further 12 games. Total games played 38.  

 

7 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

yep do that and then next season relegate three teams from each league to rebalance the leagues, alongside the usual playoffs

 

As mentioned on the other thread, what about the other teams within mathematical possibility of being in the play -off spot and potentially achieving promotion.

 

also, how are European places to be determined for next season?

 

3 minutes ago, Bozi said:

So we need to come up with a reason to postpone sundays game... .

 

Is that why the decision to limit to 500 will be after this weekends games 

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jambokev
6 minutes ago, Bozi said:

So we need to come up with a reason to postpone sundays game... .

Tony Macaroni Stadium has Italian links ?

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Bozi

Look I am not saying Toby Sibbick HAS been misdiagnosed with glandular fever but........

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Shanks

Surely something is in the rule book with regards to cancellation? 

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The Treasurer

There's also the fact that final league position determines prize money.

Moving even one or two places either way can mean a significant amount of income to clubs, especially the smaller ones.

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westbow
24 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

There was someone on twitter last night saying there is a rule in place that once 30 games were played they league positions would stand. This weekend completes 30 games played for all teams. (St Johnstone and Rangers on 29) 

 

 

Don't suppose there are other sources to confirm this?

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JJ93
13 minutes ago, Haken said:

If, as suggested above, there is a rule which stipulates a minimum number of games played, and the clubs have signed up to that along with all other rules, then would it be actionable?

If the clubs have signed up to it then it is different but I doubt that they have done so.

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jr ewing

Coronasavus.😤

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IveSeenTheLight
Just now, JJ93 said:

If the clubs have signed up to it then it is different but I doubt that they have done so.

 

If its there, they've participated so by de facto have signed up to it.

Interesting to find some link confirming if season percentage (minimum games) is included

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IveSeenTheLight

Just found this

 

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C16 At the end of each Season (following completion of all League Matches in the Premiership in that Season) the Club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated to play and be eligible to participate in the Championship for and during the next Season.

 

This would suggest that all 38 games need to be played.

Will still look to see if there are any caveat's

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upgotheheads
32 minutes ago, Mid Calder Jambo said:

By the same token if they stopped the leagues now Dundee Utd would have a major grouse.  There is no easy solution here and i an sure that the GFA will find the most stupid solution, the one thats suits the bum cheekd best.

 

Yup, their track record for finding the wrong solution to any problem is undisputed.

 

27 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Promote two teams from each league and bring two into League 2 from pyramid. 

 

SPFL next season has 14 teams, Split into two 7s after 2 rounds = 26 games played then play each other twice, a further 12 games. Total games played 38.  

 

This would be the best solution imo. The Championship regularly has two big clubs who's natural place is in the top league, D.utd and Dunfermline currently. A 14 team top league would the best solution in the future for Scotland

 

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Sirudi

These are exceptional times. Could well be out of our hands.

It is what it is, and those in charge of the club must take the blame if relegation happens. 

Looks like Shankly was wrong after all.

 

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Jeff

So many jokes going around saying Corona is one of our own and going to be the one to save us... I wonder how many Jambos will die because of it? Scary.

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The Real Maroonblood
30 minutes ago, Bozi said:

So we need to come up with a reason to postpone sundays game... .

Self isolate.

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IveSeenTheLight

This could be an interesting definition

 

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Season - means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match in a Season and ending on the date of the last League Match in the same Season or otherwise as determined by the Board and which excludes the Close Season;

 

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Last Laff
37 minutes ago, JJ93 said:

Legally actionable. Not a chance it would stand up in court.


You think Budge would take it to court?  A decision decided in these circumstances?  Not a chance. 

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glynnlondon
22 minutes ago, Longshanks said:

Surely something is in the rule book with regards to cancellation? 

You would think so but with Scottish football authorities who knows.

Wouldn't be surprised if all they had was some contingency to deal with the arse cheeks and league flag while ignoring the rest of the scottish league's.

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westbow
5 minutes ago, Jeff said:

So many jokes going around saying Corona is one of our own and going to be the one to save us... I wonder how many Jambos will die because of it? Scary.

I'm guessing 132. Is this one of those jelly beans in a jar type deals?

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Hearts of Vladland
3 minutes ago, Last Laff said:


You think Budge would take it to court?  A decision decided in these circumstances?  Not a chance. 


With the amount of money we’d lose being in the Championship? 100% she’d take legal action 😂😂

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tian447
50 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said:

Promote two teams from each league and bring two into League 2 from pyramid. 

 

SPFL next season has 14 teams, Split into two 7s after 2 rounds = 26 games played then play each other twice, a further 12 games. Total games played 38.  

 

Too sensible, it will never happen. 

 

Even though that would be brilliant!! 

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TexasAndy
33 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

 

As mentioned on the other thread, what about the other teams within mathematical possibility of being in the play -off spot and potentially achieving promotion.

 

also, how are European places to be determined for next season?

 

 

Is that why the decision to limit to 500 will be after this weekends games 

Probably more to do with a certain OF game.

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Last Laff
6 minutes ago, Hearts of Vladland said:


With the amount of money we’d lose being in the Championship? 100% she’d take legal action 😂😂


I would be surprised tbh. 

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Mysterion
11 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

Yup, their track record for finding the wrong solution to any problem is undisputed.

 

 

This would be the best solution imo. The Championship regularly has two big clubs who's natural place is in the top league, D.utd and Dunfermline currently. A 14 team top league would the best solution in the future for Scotland

 

 

I was advised by someone this week that the SPFL planned to push for a 14 team league in the coming months.

Source has frequent dealings with a large championship team at board/exec level. 

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glynnlondon
10 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Self isolate.

With the hordes of great unwashed rocking up in Glasgow Sunday how would you know who's got it , the cut of most of them at the best of times.

Never get a better reason to hose them down with DDT

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Des Lynam

If they are banning gatherings of more than 500 people is it fair Hamilton will still get to play their games? 

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Mysterion

SFA announce all games on hold.

 

 

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Des Lynam
19 minutes ago, Jeff said:

So many jokes going around saying Corona is one of our own and going to be the one to save us... I wonder how many Jambos will die because of it? Scary.


Or JKB members? 
 

Silver lining.... 

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Paolo
1 hour ago, Forever Hearts said:

Correct. There's no way they can relegate Hearts when we are only six points behind. Although I do have sympathy for the likes of Dundee United. They've absolutely walked that league and now potentially they might not go up. Hard one to take for all concerned at Tannadice. 

You cannot say it is legally wrong for one, but not the other.  

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Cruyff

Correct. They cannot. 

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neilnunb
3 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

If they are banning gatherings of more than 500 people is it fair Hamilton will still get to play their games? 

 

👍🤭

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upgotheheads

Suspension announced.

Don't know whether to be relieved or not. Suppose it depends on what happens next.

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glynnlondon

Silver linings hopefully now

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brunoatemyhamster
Posted (edited)

Just make it a 12 team top tier. 

Even for a couple of years. 

Everyone happy

Edited by brunoatemyhamster

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Jeff
1 minute ago, brunoatemyhamster said:

Just make it a 12 team top tier. 

Even for a couple of years. 

Everyone happy

 

It already is 12

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brunoatemyhamster
Just now, Jeff said:

 

It already is 12

Lol sorry

Bring two up 14

Couple of seasons drop it back down

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wavydavy

The thing to remember here is that with one or two exceptions we are all Hearts fans on here and are dreaming up means to try and justify us staying in the SPFL.

 

In reality why should other clubs or the authorities that govern our leagues try and bend rules to keep us in the top flights?

 

We are clutching at straws and making assumptioons about rules that might or might not exist to help us stay in the top flight.

 

We are not at the bottom of the league because of some major conspiracy it is simply because we have not been good enough under three different Coaches throughout the course of the season so far.

 

It is clear that the current squad under these three coaches have shown that they don't have the bottle in the crunch games. Ok the coaches tactics may be partially to blame here but ultimately the players have to take a fair proportion of the blame for our league position.

 

Yes teams at the bottom can make miraculous recoveries and survive but we have shown already that we can't beat the teams around us in the bottom six so that in itself is a marker to show if we deserve to go down and regretfully I hate to say it but we do deserve it.

 

If the league were to stop after this week-ends games then we have shown that we don't deserve to stay in this league when we have only taken 9 points from 14 games against the bottom six clubs. ( I read that we had only taken 9 from 13 games prior to the St MIrren game on Wed)

 

Does that really give us an argument to stay in this league?

 

I would love for something to happen that would keep in in the top league however we really don't deserve it if truth be known.

 

 

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