JFK-1 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Salad Fingers said: The powers that the police seem to have been given. The loss of our freedom. The fact that what started out as "guidance" has now become law. These jumped up police chiefs holding press conferences telling us to be good little people this weekend or we will be arrested (Actually he said that that would be left to the discretion of individual police, something I'm not comfortable with). The whole thing worries me more than the virus. So do you think everyone should be able to do whatever they like with no interference during a deadly pandemic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambojay84 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Winding me up no end them all calling Hancock sec of state. Smug faced wee dick. Bunch of incompetent arseholes the lot of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: The powers that the police seem to have been given. The loss of our freedom. The fact that what started out as "guidance" has now become law. These jumped up police chiefs holding press conferences telling us to be good little people this weekend or we will be arrested (Actually he said that that would be left to the discretion of individual police, something I'm not comfortable with). The whole thing worries me more than the virus. But you know they're only doing all that to try and stop the virus spreading and collapsing the nhs? They're not just doing it for a laugh while on some power trip. If these measures continue once things settle down I'll maybe start to complain, but they won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, stirlo said: I have absolutely no idea. Fair enough, here's some facts. 95% of all flights are cancelled. Passenger loads are very low on flights still operating. Cargo only flights are up 243%. 40% of all the UK's medical supplies come in by air. The government have given the airlines £75milliin to fly people back to the UK from all over the world. Nobody is going on holiday or just visiting other countries for a wee jolly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, graygo said: Fair enough, here's some facts. 95% of all flights are cancelled. Passenger loads are very low on flights still operating. Cargo only flights are up 243%. 40% of all the UK's medical supplies come in by air. The government have given the airlines £75milliin to fly people back to the UK from all over the world. Nobody is going on holiday or just visiting other countries for a wee jolly. Look at Heathrow Airport's arrivals board on line. Try the morning from 5.30am through to noon. Regular scheduled flights. All of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: The powers that the police seem to have been given. The loss of our freedom. The fact that what started out as "guidance" has now become law. These jumped up police chiefs holding press conferences telling us to be good little people this weekend or we will be arrested (Actually he said that that would be left to the discretion of individual police, something I'm not comfortable with). The whole thing worries me more than the virus. I'd be concerned if the government were in alignment with it but the checking of people's shopping etc isn't law and has just been certain police forces opting to do it off their own backs for whatever reason. They've been reigned in pretty sharpish by downing street on that front and quickly led to them issuing u-turns saying 'oh no, it was just a little over exuberance'. Downing street was quite explicit today that shops that are open can sell whatever they stock and people can buy whatever is stocked. Now, driving to a supermarket to by some beers isn't essential (nor is 90% of what people are buying) but the policing of that should be done outside, not scoping out the magazine and book aisles. They've been dealt a tough hand the police as it's not been super clear what they are meant to be enforcing but the social media posts about enforcing things the government have clearly stated is okay has been more egg on their face rather than anything sinister imo. Try not to worry about it...99% of them just want to help keep everyone safe. Edited April 10, 2020 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, stirlo said: Ordinarily there's a good chance I would have been there at this very time (I'm half Italian myself and have family in Rome and other parts of Italy). There are a lot of people in my situation, with family members in Scotland/the UK and family in Italy. My understanding is that in terms of the lockdown we are supposed to have decided where we are living and not to move from there - this applies as much to within the UK as internationally i.e. someone who lives in Edinburgh with family in London should either be living in Edinburgh or London and not going from one to the other. Again I suppose it all comes down to the meaning of essential. I just find it incredible I can go on the internet and have a choice of three flights from Heathrow to Rome tomorrow. Well in that case who would be wanting to go to Rome unless they had a really good reason to do so, you'll know as well as I do there are usually plenty of Police in the arrivals hall, normally they don't give you a second look, now however I'd imagine they'd may well be stopping everyone and asking them why they are in Rome, what is their business, where are they going, where are they staying, and if you ain't got a very good reason, then you'll be on the next flight back to the UK, if your lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Nurses in England getting abuse from their NEIGHBOURS for getting in their car to go to work. What is wrong with people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Look at Heathrow Airport's arrivals board on line. Try the morning from 5.30am through to noon. Regular scheduled flights. All of them. How many passengers? We're they being repatriated or traveling essentially? You need those answers before saying it's an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Apologies if already posted, but I couldn't see it. A follow up or extension of yesterday's rammy over passport office staff being told to go back to work, however this time with the context of an insight into the government's strategic thinking, which would appear to be that they don't give a shit about the 'collateral damage' https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/09/leaked-home-office-call-reveals-uk-government-wants-economy-to-continue-running-as-we-will-all-get-covid-19-anyway/ genuine question - do u not see this as one possible outcome ? ideally the virus dies out or we get 100% vaccine but don’t you accept this might be something we might have to live with going forward and be managed as best as can be flu (I know the senior modellers on here refute the comparison) wipes out almost 20000 per year that’s over 100000 in maybe 5-6-7 year period no trouble at all to the friendly old flu virus (and there’s already a vaccine for that) do folk really think with any confidence this is just going to go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, DETTY29 said: Nurses in England getting abuse from their NEIGHBOURS for getting in their car to go to work. What is wrong with people? No idea if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me. It's become a social media contest to see who can get the most offended by people going outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, DETTY29 said: Nurses in England getting abuse from their NEIGHBOURS for getting in their car to go to work. What is wrong with people? A mixture of stupidity and fear probably. A volatile combination - nothing unusual. Welcome to the human race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: That graph is irrelevant to me. It doesn't include a factor which at least currently can't be quantified. What would the graph look like if no measures had been taken? If life had just carried on as normal? The article does cover it tbf and is quite clear that if we done nothing then excess deaths would be significantly higher. It's not suggesting we should do nothing as most folk would die anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: No idea if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me. It's become a social media contest to see who can get the most offended by people going outside. Sounds like a couple of folk on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 So they're just muddying the water re the correct usage of ppe. Redefining who should use what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: No idea if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me. It's become a social media contest to see who can get the most offended by people going outside. 17 minutes ago, redjambo said: A mixture of stupidity and fear probably. A volatile combination - nothing unusual. Welcome to the human race. It was mentioned by the Deputy Head Nurse at the UK press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, DETTY29 said: It was mentioned by the Deputy Head Nurse at the UK press conference. Just to clear it up, my comment wasn't asserting that the incident didn't happen. It was a comment on all such incidents and the main reason that they happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Sounds like a couple of folk on here. Who could you possibly mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, redjambo said: Just to clear it up, my comment wasn't asserting that the incident didn't happen. It was a comment on all such incidents and the main reason that they happen. No worries. Didn't take it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: So do you think everyone should be able to do whatever they like with no interference during a deadly pandemic? Not what I said. It is the nature of the "interference" that concerns me. This scaremongering us into staying in the house, constant news reports abd adverts telling us to stay home, and now the Commander or whatever of Northants Police flexing the police's muscle today. All seems a bit dystopian. Of course, it is fine to have these concerns without wishing death and infection on people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, GinRummy said: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus I replied the other day to a poster who said to just contact the NHS Scotland hotline/email if there were shortages. My reply was and how long do you think you'd have a job for if you complained. That's the way the NHS works, whistleblowers are generally not tolerated, even when they are right.............especially when they are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Victorian said: So they're just muddying the water re the correct usage of ppe. Redefining who should use what. They've adjusted the PPE requirements several times now dependent on what kit we have. Now we are being told to risk assess very carefully before deciding what PPE to use.......we dont have ****ing time to do that. Its a bloody joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Taffin said: I'd be concerned if the government were in alignment with it but the checking of people's shopping etc isn't law and has just been certain police forces opting to do it off their own backs for whatever reason. They've been reigned in pretty sharpish by downing street on that front and quickly led to them issuing u-turns saying 'oh no, it was just a little over exuberance'. Downing street was quite explicit today that shops that are open can sell whatever they stock and people can buy whatever is stocked. Now, driving to a supermarket to by some beers isn't essential (nor is 90% of what people are buying) but the policing of that should be done outside, not scoping out the magazine and book aisles. They've been dealt a tough hand the police as it's not been super clear what they are meant to be enforcing but the social media posts about enforcing things the government have clearly stated is okay has been more egg on their face rather than anything sinister imo. Try not to worry about it...99% of them just want to help keep everyone safe. Fair enough, I didn't know the police had reigned them in. I have a distrust of the police these days, it's a pretty rational fear I would say. Of course 90% of people on here would disagree and that's fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I replied the other day to a poster who said to just contact the NHS Scotland hotline/email if there were shortages. My reply was and how long do you think you'd have a job for if you complained. That's the way the NHS works, whistleblowers are generally not tolerated, even when they are right.............especially when they are right. Missed your comment mate. It absolutely sucks that they’re being silenced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: Not what I said. It is the nature of the "interference" that concerns me. This scaremongering us into staying in the house, constant news reports abd adverts telling us to stay home, and now the Commander or whatever of Northants Police flexing the police's muscle today. All seems a bit dystopian. Of course, it is fine to have these concerns without wishing death and infection on people. Wait til the antibodies test comes in and the beaks get a great sample of everyone's DNA for their database!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said: They've adjusted the PPE requirements several times now dependent on what kit we have. Now we are being told to risk assess very carefully before deciding what PPE to use.......we dont have ****ing time to do that. Its a bloody joke. It's a shocker. Total shocker. Here's a novel idea... just supply more PPE and very much quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: Not what I said. It is the nature of the "interference" that concerns me. This scaremongering us into staying in the house, constant news reports abd adverts telling us to stay home, and now the Commander or whatever of Northants Police flexing the police's muscle today. All seems a bit dystopian. Of course, it is fine to have these concerns without wishing death and infection on people. We were heading towards dystopia long before this kicked off. Right now though the messages telling everyone to stay home are there for the right reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, graygo said: How many passengers? We're they being repatriated or traveling essentially? You need those answers before saying it's an issue. Its an issue. These are not repatriation flights. These are scheduled commercial flights. The UK is an island. Yet we will end up with the worst death rate in Europe. Why? Because we didn't shut down. Quite easy for an island? No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: Wait til the antibodies test comes in and the beaks get a great sample of everyone's DNA for their database!! Don't you start and all. I'm okay anyway. I have a copy of my DNA permanently stored for when they want to make my next clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 54 minutes ago, Jambojay84 said: Winding me up no end them all calling Hancock sec of state. Smug faced wee dick. Bunch of incompetent arseholes the lot of them Smug faced wee dick who couldn't (or wouldn't) answer a question about the number of healthcare workers (of whom he's the boss) have died or been infected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207801/There-three-things-need-lockdown-dont-them.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, redjambo said: Don't you start and all. I'm okay anyway. I have a copy of my DNA permanently stored for when they want to make my next clone. Lol. Was very tongue in cheek but surprised its not been jumped on previously by the same ***** that cant stay at home while I risk my own and my families lives!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Its an issue. These are not repatriation flights. These are scheduled commercial flights. The UK is an island. Yet we will end up with the worst death rate in Europe. Why? Because we didn't shut down. Quite easy for an island? No? What you're saying is as an island with the worst death rate in Europe people are booking non essential flights to come here. I've read that a couple of times now and it still makes absolutely no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Missed your comment mate. It absolutely sucks that they’re being silenced. It's been like this for a long time, years and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, graygo said: What you're saying is as an island with the worst death rate in Europe people are booking non essential flights to come here. I've read that a couple of times now and it still makes absolutely no sense Perhaps it's a bit like those specialist holidays to war zones that they run for the rich and bored. Risk your life! Come to the UK! Birmingham house party included in the price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: Lol. Was very tongue in cheek but surprised its not been jumped on previously by the same ***** that cant stay at home while I risk my own and my families lives!! Can I ask in what way you're risking your life? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, Morgan said: Who could you possibly mean? Not you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Perhaps it's a bit like those specialist holidays to war zones that they run for the rich and bored. Risk your life! Come to the UK! Birmingham house party included in the price! That must be it, I remember reading about "holidays" to Chernobyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, graygo said: What you're saying is as an island with the worst death rate in Europe people are booking non essential flights to come here. I've read that a couple of times now and it still makes absolutely no sense Stop the flights. Remove the issue. Pretty easy for an island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Its an issue. These are not repatriation flights. These are scheduled commercial flights. The UK is an island. Yet we will end up with the worst death rate in Europe. Why? Because we didn't shut down. Quite easy for an island? No? There was every chance we would have anyway. For example, the UK has a higher rate of obesity than Italy, Spain, France etc etc, our diet is shit, our alcohol intake does us no favours add in the damp weather in often poor housing, long working hours and poor social opportunities and high levels of stress. That's a bad mixture to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, redjambo said: *Don't you start and all. I'm okay anyway. I have a copy of my DNA permanently stored for when they want to make my next clone. Red? * What's this new saying. Don't you start as well, don't you start anaw, don't you start too, don't you start anawl. Never heard yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Red? * What's this new saying. Don't you start as well, don't you start anaw, don't you start too, don't you start anawl. Never heard yours. What do you think "anaw" or "anawl" mean, ri? Edit: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/an_a' Edited April 10, 2020 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, redjambo said: What do you think "anaw" or "anawl" mean, ri? I was going to say that and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, redjambo said: What do you think "anaw" or "anawl" mean, ri? Never used and all. Just never seen it written down. 👍 Wasn't a dig, just never seen it written down like that. Thought I'd ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Morgan said: I was going to say that and all. Right, that's me having a break and going out for my daily exercise, an'al. Edited April 10, 2020 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ri Alban said: Never used and all. Just never seen it written down. 👍 Wasn't a dig, just never seen it written down like that. Thought I'd ask. Didn't think you were having a dig, ri. You would never do that to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Right, that's me having a break and gong out for my daily exercise, an'al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: Right, that's me having a break and going out for my daily exercise, an'al. Are you going out with ‘aw them’ or one of yer pals and ‘aw that’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, redjambo said: Didn't think you were having a dig, ri. You would never do that to anyone. You'll know when I'm having a dig. It usually has a swear word. Sarcasm well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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