Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Radio Ga Ga]

2 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

If you dont want to be vaccinated then dont be. Your personal choice.

Let others who want to be vaccinated carry on, thats their personal choice.

No one is forcing you to be vaccinated. Ever.

Exactly!

[JudyJudyJudy]

A health expert interviewed on STV vague about when things will start opening up ie football, pubs etc now that there is a vaccine.  She was saying maybe months.  ON the codicil that people take the vaccine.  Sounds like blackmail to me. Surely if the most vulnerable etc once they are vaccinated the strain on the NHS will be negligible therefore that should dictate when things are opened up.  

[Bull's-eye]

When is it time to moan my tits off about the Shite Government not vaccinating me?

 

Maybe give it a week or two ?

[Chong]

53 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

No, it is a requirement of the process to allow for the emergency approval of a vaccine. Nothing sinister about it and is all explained in detail in the link you gave.

 

It's not cutting corners but it is cutting corners.  Got ya

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, Boy Daniel said:

Where’s @redjambo the past couple of days? Hope he/she is ok! 
we miss the helpful daily figure updates that get posted.

 

You rang?

 

 

Just taking a break, sorry. The thread was doing my head in, to be honest.

 

But here you go, the latest colour extravaganza (with extra columns showing the values over the last few days).

 

Note that there is currently increased testing in five specific hotspots in Scotland, of which Alloa is one, which partially explains for example the elevated ranking of Clackmannanshire (although in my opinion they should have been placed in Tier 4 anyway). Also note that there is increased testing of students starting this week which will no doubt filter through to the stats.

 

There are quite a few take-homes from the chart. I wasn't surprised that the SG decided not to change any tiers yesterday because the technical issues a couple of days ago temporarily mucked up their data. However, Dumfries and Galloway were extremely unlucky not to be moved down to tier 1, imo. Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire are still high after the Portlethen food factory outbreak but now have another week to recover. North Ayrshire should probably be moved up to Tier 4 but is a good example of how the Tier 4's have worked, with both East and South Ayrshire having lesser rates than North Ayrshire now.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday			Start of Tier 4’s			30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov	26 Nov	25 Nov
Renfrewshire	4	206	194	+12		260	-54		195	218	223	224	238	241
Clackmannanshire	3	192	155	+37		165	+27		140	153	130	115	120	95
South Lanarkshire	4	172	174	-2		233	-61		179	202	198	213	206	201
North Lanarkshire	4	170	176	-6		235	-65		169	182	194	202	194	194
East Renfrewshire	4	169	155	+14		195	-26		149	155	172	170	170	171
Glasgow City	4	160	155	+5		235	-75		158	174	189	190	199	198
North Ayrshire	3	140	128	+12		124	+16		127	132	131	128	131	109
West Lothian	4	132	127	+5		193	-61		128	131	139	140	135	161
Stirling	4	124	123	+1		210	-86		132	149	140	141	155	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	121	117	+4		161	-40		110	114	135	133	130	117
East Ayrshire	4	118	115	+3		152	-34		120	137	132	138	146	142
South Ayrshire	4	114	125	-11		153	-39		125	131	123	122	130	129
Fife	3	107	99	+8		116	-9		96	105	104	102	102	99
Perth and Kinross	3	97	93	+4		116	-19		95	103	90	95	95	91
West Dunbartonshire	4	94	89	+5		142	-48		85	107	106	108	123	124
Dundee City	3	92	92	0		102	-10		97	104	109	109	105	100
Inverclyde	3	90	87	+3		99	-9		96	96	107	112	111	86
Aberdeenshire	2	87	93	-6		64	+23		94	85	90	83	78	78
Midlothian	3	86	65	+21		101	-15		71	84	82	88	91	88
Argyll and Bute	2	77	77	0		31	+46		83	61	61	54	48	43
Aberdeen City	2	71	90	-19		51	+20		92	101	90	91	89	81
Edinburgh City	3	68	69	-1		84	-16		74	74	82	87	87	80
Angus	3	62	62	0		88	-26		65	71	77	78	79	81
Falkirk	3	59	58	+1		85	-26		49	47	54	58	58	59
East Lothian	2	49	48	+1		48	+1		51	59	65	57	55	61
Scottish Borders	2	33	33	0		74	-41		29	33	40	45	50	57
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0		0	+22		11	11	11	11	4	0
Dumfries and Galloway	2	21	21	0		34	-13		19	23	25	30	28	31
Highland	1	18	19	-1		19	-1		19	16	17	15	15	15
Moray	1	11	9	+2		25	-14		8	8	8	10	9	15
Orkney Islands	1	9	9	0		4	+5		4	4	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	9	17	-8		13	-4		17	17	17	17	17	9
(Scotland)		106	105	+1		135	-29		105	116	118	119	120	118

Edited December 2, 2020 by redjambo

[coconut doug]

19 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

If you dont want to be vaccinated then dont be. Your personal choice.

Let others who want to be vaccinated carry on, thats their personal choice.

No one is forcing you to be vaccinated. Ever.

 

This is absolutely true. On the other hand why are you directing this at me? 

[NANOJAMBO]

4 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

As far as I know from the limited knowledge I have on the way vaccines work, which is pretty much the same as everybody else.

 

Onward transmission, that's still to be determined I think, if a vaccinated person can still pass the virus on to another person, I'd guess only when enough of the population has been vaccinated would the results of that would be known fully.

 

As you are no doubts aware of, no vaccine in 100% effective and just because you've had a vaccine doesn't mean you can't still catch a virus, what it does do or should do is to lessen the effects of the illness, basically because your immune system has had a head start.

AFAIK , the problem going forward will be that there's no immunity gained because people don't develop long lasting antibodies. So even if you'd had a jab you can still become infected again and presumably still pass it on. Maybe I'm misreading it, but this means people will have to be innoculated regularly/annually against the virus ? 

[John Findlay]

5 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

This is absolutely true. On the other hand why are you directing this at me? 

As you were acting the sceptic.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said:

AFAIK , the problem going forward will be that there's no immunity gained because people don't develop long lasting antibodies. So even if you'd had a jab you can still become infected again and presumably still pass it on. Maybe I'm misreading it, but this means people will have to be innoculated regularly/annually against the virus ? 

 

I think that is very likely what will happen, Covid-19 is highly likely to become endemic like the flu, and those most at risk will be advised to get a covid jab every year, just like the flu jab.

[NANOJAMBO]

2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

I think that is very likely what will happen, Covid-19 is highly likely to become endemic like the flu, and those most at risk will be advised to get a covid jab every year, just like the flu jab.

👍

[coconut doug]

Just now, John Findlay said:

As you were acting the sceptic.

 

Fair enough, i wasn't acting though, i am a skeptic. If the vaccine takes 28 days to have any effect and doesn't stop onward transmission though, it has a very limited value imo. I can see significant value for a small demographic but virtually none for society as a whole. The UK is the only country to approve, maybe we are to be the guinea pigs.

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said:

Only if you don't get all stroppy about Teirs, SNP bad etc, today is not the day

 

46 New cases (45 Yesterday), 68 7 Day per 100k Population. 3 Deaths.

Cheers.

[John Findlay]

29 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Fair enough, i wasn't acting though, i am a skeptic. If the vaccine takes 28 days to have any effect and doesn't stop onward transmission though, it has a very limited value imo. I can see significant value for a small demographic but virtually none for society as a whole. The UK is the only country to approve, maybe we are to be the guinea pigs.

 

 

Is this your view of all vaccines?

[The Real Maroonblood]

59 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

You rang?

 

 

Just taking a break, sorry. The thread was doing my head in, to be honest.

 

But here you go, the latest colour extravaganza (with extra columns showing the values over the last few days).

 

Note that there is currently increased testing in five specific hotspots in Scotland, of which Alloa is one, which partially explains for example the elevated ranking of Clackmannanshire (although in my opinion they should have been placed in Tier 4 anyway). Also note that there is increased testing of students starting this week which will no doubt filter through to the stats.

 

There are quite a few take-homes from the chart. I wasn't surprised that the SG decided not to change any tiers yesterday because the technical issues a couple of days ago temporarily mucked up their data. However, Dumfries and Galloway were extremely unlucky not to be moved down to tier 1, imo. Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire are still high after the Portlethen food factory outbreak but now have another week to recover. North Ayrshire should probably be moved up to Tier 4 but is a good example of how the Tier 4's have worked, with both East and South Ayrshire having lesser rates than North Ayrshire now.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday			Start of Tier 4’s			30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov	26 Nov	25 Nov
Renfrewshire	4	206	194	+12		260	-54		195	218	223	224	238	241
Clackmannanshire	3	192	155	+37		165	+27		140	153	130	115	120	95
South Lanarkshire	4	172	174	-2		233	-61		179	202	198	213	206	201
North Lanarkshire	4	170	176	-6		235	-65		169	182	194	202	194	194
East Renfrewshire	4	169	155	+14		195	-26		149	155	172	170	170	171
Glasgow City	4	160	155	+5		235	-75		158	174	189	190	199	198
North Ayrshire	3	140	128	+12		124	+16		127	132	131	128	131	109
West Lothian	4	132	127	+5		193	-61		128	131	139	140	135	161
Stirling	4	124	123	+1		210	-86		132	149	140	141	155	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	121	117	+4		161	-40		110	114	135	133	130	117
East Ayrshire	4	118	115	+3		152	-34		120	137	132	138	146	142
South Ayrshire	4	114	125	-11		153	-39		125	131	123	122	130	129
Fife	3	107	99	+8		116	-9		96	105	104	102	102	99
Perth and Kinross	3	97	93	+4		116	-19		95	103	90	95	95	91
West Dunbartonshire	4	94	89	+5		142	-48		85	107	106	108	123	124
Dundee City	3	92	92	0		102	-10		97	104	109	109	105	100
Inverclyde	3	90	87	+3		99	-9		96	96	107	112	111	86
Aberdeenshire	2	87	93	-6		64	+23		94	85	90	83	78	78
Midlothian	3	86	65	+21		101	-15		71	84	82	88	91	88
Argyll and Bute	2	77	77	0		31	+46		83	61	61	54	48	43
Aberdeen City	2	71	90	-19		51	+20		92	101	90	91	89	81
Edinburgh City	3	68	69	-1		84	-16		74	74	82	87	87	80
Angus	3	62	62	0		88	-26		65	71	77	78	79	81
Falkirk	3	59	58	+1		85	-26		49	47	54	58	58	59
East Lothian	2	49	48	+1		48	+1		51	59	65	57	55	61
Scottish Borders	2	33	33	0		74	-41		29	33	40	45	50	57
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0		0	+22		11	11	11	11	4	0
Dumfries and Galloway	2	21	21	0		34	-13		19	23	25	30	28	31
Highland	1	18	19	-1		19	-1		19	16	17	15	15	15
Moray	1	11	9	+2		25	-14		8	8	8	10	9	15
Orkney Islands	1	9	9	0		4	+5		4	4	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	9	17	-8		13	-4		17	17	17	17	17	9
(Scotland)		106	105	+1		135	-29		105	116	118	119	120	118

Glad to see you back.

I find these posts most helpful.

This thread is like a cesspit at times well actually most of the times.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said:

An interesting scenario to ponder.  Imagine if the number of people who won’t take the virus means that some level of restrictions has to remain permanently in place.  Things could get pretty divisive with those wanting a return to normal challenging those who won’t take the vaccine.  
 

p.s.  yes I did get this thought from watching Jonathan penalty shoot out Van Tam.  

It’s a good point, I get the feeling we will need proof that we’ve taken a vaccine to do many things next summer like Foreign travel or go to mass gatherings like the Euros for instance. 

[Felix Lighter]

34 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

AFAIK , the problem going forward will be that there's no immunity gained because people don't develop long lasting antibodies. So even if you'd had a jab you can still become infected again and presumably still pass it on. Maybe I'm misreading it, but this means people will have to be innoculated regularly/annually against the virus ? 

 

Hiya, was listening to a vlog not so long ago. From what I heard, the production of antibodies is the first line of defence but are energy intensive on our bodies so once the infection is dealt with their production is switched off. It then becomes the job of T-Cells to remember previous invaders and attack them. It was simply put that if we as humans didn't develop immunity we wouldn't be here, and if it were possible to be infected twice we'd already be seeing large numbers instead of the handful of reports, which can be put down to false positives. Although, like you I may have misinterpreted.

Fascinating stuff it has to be said. I really wish, looking back, I'd tried bloody harder at school. 😩

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said:

An interesting scenario to ponder.  Imagine if the number of people who won’t take the virus means that some level of restrictions has to remain permanently in place.  Things could get pretty divisive with those wanting a return to normal challenging those who won’t take the vaccine.  
 

p.s.  yes I did get this thought from watching Jonathan penalty shoot out Van Tam.  

 

Not only that, it's also if a significant number of people don't for whatever reason take a covid vaccine, then there could be every chance that the NHS has to stay focused on treating Covid-19 patients, this is turn would then have an adverse effect on cancer, heart disease, diabetes, dementia and a whole host of other treatments, which would have to remain on the back burner so as to treat covid.

 

[Bongo 1874]

Someone want to shut the tit that is van tam up, I don't think we will ever eradicate coronavirus, first of all with a vaccine that is 95% effective in preventing serious disease and halting the infection in it's tracks, what makes you believe that's it not possible to eradicate it?. 

 

2nd of all you are saying it may appear as the seasonal flu, bollocks the flu vaccine is nowhere even in the same comparison of the covid vaccine, just to start the flu vaccine efficacy is between 40-60% how can you even compare that to 95% you absolute barnacle head. 

 

And even if it's not fully eradicated if we can get enough people immunised we can get it to so low a level that, it's can't find hosts to infect, which ultimately stops mass transmission and mortality, which makes the virsus weaker as it can't replicate or mutate into something potentially deadlier, this is a day to be happy and to finally see hope of getting life back to normal for a lot of people. 

 

Though it hasn't been proven yet, i would like to bet whether get the virus and gaining natural immunity from it, or been vaccinated for it it's stops transmission of it by 50-75% yet the tit waffles on like that, if that's the case then why do you want your mum and dad to get the vaccine first. 

 

Someone take this utter buffon away from TV honestly. 

[coconut doug]

25 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Is this your view of all vaccines?

 

No.

[Bongo 1874]

1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said:

AFAIK , the problem going forward will be that there's no immunity gained because people don't develop long lasting antibodies. So even if you'd had a jab you can still become infected again and presumably still pass it on. Maybe I'm misreading it, but this means people will have to be innoculated regularly/annually against the virus ? 

Its not just about antibodies, memory t cells remember if you have caught the infection before, if you check out Sars which was in 2002-2003 people still have antibodies from 17 years ago from that and most importantly memory t cells, which the body remembers from previous infection, meaning if it gets it again it knows how to handle it, Sars and covid 19 are from the same family and are very similar hence why they were able to make a vaccine so fast, they had already been working on a vaccine for Sars incase there was a outbreak again, when covid 19 came about because they are both similar and from the same family of coronaviruses they had a head start on it, essentially the vaccine is 17 years in the making. 

 

None of your main media headlines will mention that though, just your usual reporter Bongo 1874 reporting jambos kickback 😂👍

[Bongo 1874]

For all that want to know i personally think we can eradicate this, personally speaking worst case scenario is that we get it so weak it cause the common cold like others do just now, don't let the doom mongers put you off, a whole year we have been ****ed out of because of they incumbents. 

 

There is light at the end of the tunnel, listen to the scientists not the clowns in government. 

[connlach]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

You rang?

 

 

Just taking a break, sorry. The thread was doing my head in, to be honest.

 

But here you go, the latest colour extravaganza (with extra columns showing the values over the last few days).

 

Note that there is currently increased testing in five specific hotspots in Scotland, of which Alloa is one, which partially explains for example the elevated ranking of Clackmannanshire (although in my opinion they should have been placed in Tier 4 anyway). Also note that there is increased testing of students starting this week which will no doubt filter through to the stats.

 

There are quite a few take-homes from the chart. I wasn't surprised that the SG decided not to change any tiers yesterday because the technical issues a couple of days ago temporarily mucked up their data. However, Dumfries and Galloway were extremely unlucky not to be moved down to tier 1, imo. Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire are still high after the Portlethen food factory outbreak but now have another week to recover. North Ayrshire should probably be moved up to Tier 4 but is a good example of how the Tier 4's have worked, with both East and South Ayrshire having lesser rates than North Ayrshire now.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday			Start of Tier 4’s			30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov	26 Nov	25 Nov
Renfrewshire	4	206	194	+12		260	-54		195	218	223	224	238	241
Clackmannanshire	3	192	155	+37		165	+27		140	153	130	115	120	95
South Lanarkshire	4	172	174	-2		233	-61		179	202	198	213	206	201
North Lanarkshire	4	170	176	-6		235	-65		169	182	194	202	194	194
East Renfrewshire	4	169	155	+14		195	-26		149	155	172	170	170	171
Glasgow City	4	160	155	+5		235	-75		158	174	189	190	199	198
North Ayrshire	3	140	128	+12		124	+16		127	132	131	128	131	109
West Lothian	4	132	127	+5		193	-61		128	131	139	140	135	161
Stirling	4	124	123	+1		210	-86		132	149	140	141	155	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	121	117	+4		161	-40		110	114	135	133	130	117
East Ayrshire	4	118	115	+3		152	-34		120	137	132	138	146	142
South Ayrshire	4	114	125	-11		153	-39		125	131	123	122	130	129
Fife	3	107	99	+8		116	-9		96	105	104	102	102	99
Perth and Kinross	3	97	93	+4		116	-19		95	103	90	95	95	91
West Dunbartonshire	4	94	89	+5		142	-48		85	107	106	108	123	124
Dundee City	3	92	92	0		102	-10		97	104	109	109	105	100
Inverclyde	3	90	87	+3		99	-9		96	96	107	112	111	86
Aberdeenshire	2	87	93	-6		64	+23		94	85	90	83	78	78
Midlothian	3	86	65	+21		101	-15		71	84	82	88	91	88
Argyll and Bute	2	77	77	0		31	+46		83	61	61	54	48	43
Aberdeen City	2	71	90	-19		51	+20		92	101	90	91	89	81
Edinburgh City	3	68	69	-1		84	-16		74	74	82	87	87	80
Angus	3	62	62	0		88	-26		65	71	77	78	79	81
Falkirk	3	59	58	+1		85	-26		49	47	54	58	58	59
East Lothian	2	49	48	+1		48	+1		51	59	65	57	55	61
Scottish Borders	2	33	33	0		74	-41		29	33	40	45	50	57
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0		0	+22		11	11	11	11	4	0
Dumfries and Galloway	2	21	21	0		34	-13		19	23	25	30	28	31
Highland	1	18	19	-1		19	-1		19	16	17	15	15	15
Moray	1	11	9	+2		25	-14		8	8	8	10	9	15
Orkney Islands	1	9	9	0		4	+5		4	4	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	9	17	-8		13	-4		17	17	17	17	17	9
(Scotland)		106	105	+1		135	-29		105	116	118	119	120	118

Thank you very much for posting these figures again.  I do really appreciate it. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

8 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

For all that want to know i personally think we can eradicate this, personally speaking worst case scenario is that we get it so weak it cause the common cold like others do just now, don't let the doom mongers put you off, a whole year we have been ****ed out of because of they incumbents. 

 

There is light at the end of the tunnel, listen to the scientists not the clowns in government. 

 

That's exactly what Van Tam is. 

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

That's exactly what Van Tam is. 

Not a very good one it appears, should hang his head in shame 

[Taffin]

Good news for many today. Hopefully it can get to those who need/want it quickly and we can abandon this reclusive lifestyle asap!

[Seymour M Hersh]

2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Not a very good one it appears, should hang his head in shame 

 

Why? Do you have evidence of his poor work? 

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Why? Do you have evidence of his poor work? 

Yes the fact he and sharma said we might never get a vaccine for coronavirus, what a statement that was eh 🤔

[Taffin]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

Interesting wording, are you suggesting you do not wish to take it?

 

I'm largely indifferent. 

[CavySlaveJambo]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

 

 

 

There are quite a few take-homes from the chart. I wasn't surprised that the SG decided not to change any tiers yesterday because the technical issues a couple of days ago temporarily mucked up their data. However, Dumfries and Galloway were extremely unlucky not to be moved down to tier 1, imo. Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire are still high after the Portlethen food factory outbreak but now have another week to recover. North Ayrshire should probably be moved up to Tier 4 but is a good example of how the Tier 4's have worked, with both East and South Ayrshire having lesser rates than North Ayrshire now.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday			Start of Tier 4’s			30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov	26 Nov	25 Nov
Renfrewshire	4	206	194	+12		260	-54		195	218	223	224	238	241
Clackmannanshire	3	192	155	+37		165	+27		140	153	130	115	120	95
South Lanarkshire	4	172	174	-2		233	-61		179	202	198	213	206	201
North Lanarkshire	4	170	176	-6		235	-65		169	182	194	202	194	194
East Renfrewshire	4	169	155	+14		195	-26		149	155	172	170	170	171
Glasgow City	4	160	155	+5		235	-75		158	174	189	190	199	198
North Ayrshire	3	140	128	+12		124	+16		127	132	131	128	131	109
West Lothian	4	132	127	+5		193	-61		128	131	139	140	135	161
Stirling	4	124	123	+1		210	-86		132	149	140	141	155	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	121	117	+4		161	-40		110	114	135	133	130	117
East Ayrshire	4	118	115	+3		152	-34		120	137	132	138	146	142
South Ayrshire	4	114	125	-11		153	-39		125	131	123	122	130	129
Fife	3	107	99	+8		116	-9		96	105	104	102	102	99
Perth and Kinross	3	97	93	+4		116	-19		95	103	90	95	95	91
West Dunbartonshire	4	94	89	+5		142	-48		85	107	106	108	123	124
Dundee City	3	92	92	0		102	-10		97	104	109	109	105	100
Inverclyde	3	90	87	+3		99	-9		96	96	107	112	111	86
Aberdeenshire	2	87	93	-6		64	+23		94	85	90	83	78	78
Midlothian	3	86	65	+21		101	-15		71	84	82	88	91	88
Argyll and Bute	2	77	77	0		31	+46		83	61	61	54	48	43
Aberdeen City	2	71	90	-19		51	+20		92	101	90	91	89	81
Edinburgh City	3	68	69	-1		84	-16		74	74	82	87	87	80
Angus	3	62	62	0		88	-26		65	71	77	78	79	81
Falkirk	3	59	58	+1		85	-26		49	47	54	58	58	59
East Lothian	2	49	48	+1		48	+1		51	59	65	57	55	61
Scottish Borders	2	33	33	0		74	-41		29	33	40	45	50	57
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0		0	+22		11	11	11	11	4	0
Dumfries and Galloway	2	21	21	0		34	-13		19	23	25	30	28	31
Highland	1	18	19	-1		19	-1		19	16	17	15	15	15
Moray	1	11	9	+2		25	-14		8	8	8	10	9	15
Orkney Islands	1	9	9	0		4	+5		4	4	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	9	17	-8		13	-4		17	17	17	17	17	9
(Scotland)		106	105	+1		135	-29		105	116	118	119	120	118

Something weird is going on with the Midlothian Numbers.  Going along with really low numbers and then all of a sudden there is a spike in cases.  Fair enough it happens once, but for it to happen twice within 2 weeks I think it needs looking at. 
 

Tier 4’s end next Friday which could mean wholesale changes for tiers. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by CavySlaveJambo

[Seymour M Hersh]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

Interesting wording, are you suggesting you do not wish to take it?

 

Perhaps he's just identifying that there have been a lot of noise from anti-vaxxers. 

[Bongo 1874]

We may never get back to partying this virus will be forvever with us, thoughts of natural immunity from it you bawbag 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-09-04-persistent-immune-memory-covid-19-found-recovered-patient-t-cells&ved=2ahUKEwiTxpmfkLDtAhWjmFwKHcCYDHkQFjAFegQIDBAB&usg=AOvVaw2gnpRTbeEqBdg_QocgyfOv

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

We may never get back to partying this virus will be forvever with us, thoughts of natural immunity from it you bawbag 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-09-04-persistent-immune-memory-covid-19-found-recovered-patient-t-cells&ved=2ahUKEwiTxpmfkLDtAhWjmFwKHcCYDHkQFjAFegQIDBAB&usg=AOvVaw2gnpRTbeEqBdg_QocgyfOv

 

 

No need for the abuse pal I only asked. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Something weird is going on with the Midlothian Numbers.  Going along with really low numbers and then all of a sudden there is a spike in cases.  Fair enough it happens once, but for it to happen twice within 2 weeks I think it needs looking at. 
 

Tier 4’s end next Friday which could mean wholesale changes for tiers. 

They do look a bit grim.

[CavySlaveJambo]

3 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Yes the fact he and sharma said we might never get a vaccine for coronavirus, what a statement that was eh 🤔

Until last month there has never been a proven vaccine for any strain of Coronavirus that infects humans.   So that alone was reasons for the caution on a vaccine becoming available. 

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

No need for the abuse pal I only asked. 

I'm not meaning you mate, your a good guy my anger is aimed at van tam not you, how can he even dare come out with that does he not know how other infectious diseases work? Honestly talk about taking the shine of a good day for humanity. 

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Until last month there has never been a proven vaccine for any strain of Coronavirus that infects humans.   So that alone was reasons for the caution on a vaccine becoming available. 

They have been working on it for 17 years as it's very similar to Sars, all they did was tweak it 👍. 

[CavySlaveJambo]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

They do look a bit grim.

Not in general they were back at 7 cases per day and Monday had a massive spike again. Like the one on the 18th which stopped the tier 2 move.  Everything else is stable.   This is the pattern that has repeated from 10 days ago. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Not in general they were back at 7 cases per day and Monday had a massive spike again. Like the one on the 18th which stopped the tier 2 move.  Everything else is stable.   This is the pattern that has repeated from 10 days ago. 

👍

[Malinga the Swinga]

4 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

You  still can't debate anything without personal insults and you still refuse to consider an alternative point of view.

Yes it might be a worthwhile step but we don't know yet and the science tells us the Astrazenica option is a better option. 

 

In other news this current government continues to give money to their friends to provide non existent goods and services and continues continues to award contracts to non specialist companies in highly specialised fields. Pfizer continues to pay out Billions in compensation for drugs that were not properly tested and caused death and serious illness because they falsified their research findings. 

 

You go all in with the Tories and big Pharma and abuse anybody who questions it. 

 

Have you looked to see what this vaccine brings us yet? will it help get the pubs open ASAP?

There really are no words. I am not all in with Tories or big pharma. Do you think I have a Pfizer scarf and go to all their conferences to cheer them on. Johnson's a clown and Hancock is worse, but unless I am mistaken, they haven't designed or built the vaccine themselves, so we should be fine.

Presume you have spent last few hours scouring Internet on Pfizer to see if they have been sued in past. It's just really really sad to watch. 

It's not personal, I don't know you so how can it be personal. 

You have chosen to be sceptical about vaccine, sceptical about government yet willing to believe random posters on here. Don't take the vaccine, it's not mandatory, it's up to you and other than your family, if you have one, no one really cares. 

You've lost the plot on this one. 

 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said:

I find that surprising. It is a total game changer, it will get us back to a normal life, why the indifference?

 

I'm indifferent as to whether I wish to take it personally; aside from a few weeks early in March I've not been concerned about developing Covid 19.

 

I was vaccinated for yellow fever to go to Bolivia, I wasn't excited by that though. I was excited to go to Bolivia and therefore took the vaccination because I had to.

 

I took anti-malarias in South East Asia, but I didn't in southern Sri Lanka where the risk was lower and acceptable to me.

 

I don't take multi-vitamins because I'm not deficient in any.

 

By the reading of it the I'll never see the vaccine approved today anyway, so even if I was excited or wishing to be given it I'd only be disappointed.

[redjambo]

18 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Something weird is going on with the Midlothian Numbers.  Going along with really low numbers and then all of a sudden there is a spike in cases.  Fair enough it happens once, but for it to happen twice within 2 weeks I think it needs looking at. 
 

Tier 4’s end next Friday which could mean wholesale changes for tiers. 

 

Here are the Midlothian case stats for the last 60 days. Spikes may have been due to a local case cluster and/or delayed test analysis/reporting, but by those figures I don't think that Midlothian is in too bad a place at all.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Here are the Midlothian case stats for the last 60 days. Spikes may have been due to a local case cluster and/or delayed test analysis/reporting, but by those figures I don't think that Midlothian is in too bad a place at all.

 

👍

[NANOJAMBO]

45 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Its not just about antibodies, memory t cells remember if you have caught the infection before, if you check out Sars which was in 2002-2003 people still have antibodies from 17 years ago from that and most importantly memory t cells, which the body remembers from previous infection, meaning if it gets it again it knows how to handle it, Sars and covid 19 are from the same family and are very similar hence why they were able to make a vaccine so fast, they had already been working on a vaccine for Sars incase there was a outbreak again, when covid 19 came about because they are both similar and from the same family of coronaviruses they had a head start on it, essentially the vaccine is 17 years in the making. 

 

None of your main media headlines will mention that though, just your usual reporter Bongo 1874 reporting jambos kickback 😂👍

I'm not wrong then .

 

Welcome to Kickback - the home of amateur epidemiologists 😄

[NANOJAMBO]

1 hour ago, Felix Lighter said:

 

Hiya, was listening to a vlog not so long ago. From what I heard, the production of antibodies is the first line of defence but are energy intensive on our bodies so once the infection is dealt with their production is switched off. It then becomes the job of T-Cells to remember previous invaders and attack them. It was simply put that if we as humans didn't develop immunity we wouldn't be here, and if it were possible to be infected twice we'd already be seeing large numbers instead of the handful of reports, which can be put down to false positives. Although, like you I may have misinterpreted.

Fascinating stuff it has to be said. I really wish, looking back, I'd tried bloody harder at school. 😩

I feel the same.

 

Good response from you & Bongo , that helped. 👍

[NANOJAMBO]

17 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I find that surprising. It is a total game changer, it will get us back to a normal life, why the indifference?

This. 

[NANOJAMBO]

30 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Yes the fact he and sharma said we might never get a vaccine for coronavirus, what a statement that was eh 🤔

There's an American professor at Oxbridge who has been on BBC a lot who when asked about getting a vaccine , went through the history of vaccines for viruses & the likelihood of getting a successful vaccine. He put it at less than 50%. He said, later, he was amazed they had done it, and done it so quickly. 

[Taffin]

6 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

We don’t know what else is coming down the line in terms of vaccine, but we do know we need people to take a vaccine or we still have Covid measures of some kind. I want to live in a world where it’s like Covid never happened. 

 

Once they demonstrate it has an effect on onward transmission then there's a case to be made for everyone, even those who don't need it themselves to consider vaccination. Until then, I don't really see much benefit to those not at particular risk taking it.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2020 by Taffin

[Bongo 1874]

9 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

There's an American professor at Oxbridge who has been on BBC a lot who when asked about getting a vaccine , went through the history of vaccines for viruses & the likelihood of getting a successful vaccine. He put it at less than 50%. He said, later, he was amazed they had done it, and done it so quickly. 

Shows what can be achieved, just feel they need to be far more postive. 

[NANOJAMBO]

5 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Shows what can be achieved, just feel they need to be far more postive. 

Indeed. I think he was trying to inject (see what I did there ?) some realism into the debate and pointed out , at that time, there around 80 vaccines in development but few would even make it to a meaningful trials.

[NANOJAMBO]

6 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

At risk of what? Death? 
 

what about a month off work? or a month not being able to do all the things you’ve missed in lockdown?  
 

I was speaking to someone last night who has only just recovered enough to get back to working from home, September 24th she tested positive. Still can’t smell or taste anything. She’s under 40, not overweight, healthy, she said “you don’t want to catch this”. Rest of her family all had it and were thankfully not very ill at all. 
 

As it stands under 50s aren’t on the list anyway. 

This.

After 9 months of this there are people who still don't get the fact that age is no barrier to having your life destroyed by this virus.