Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Ainsley Harriott]

Our government and regulators seem to be well on the ball with the vaccine and looks like we will be first to start the vaccination programme. 👍

[redjambo]

Per-board, per-100,000 case stats:

 

Scotland 18 [+1].

 

Ayrshire 24 [+5], Lanarkshire 23 [=], Greater Glasgow 22 [-7], Tayside 22 [+7].

 

Lothian 17 [+4], Fife 16 [-2], Forth Valley 16 [=], Grampian 13 [+2].

 

All others: less than 10.

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I’m going to predict it’s next week for the Oxford vaccine. And it might not take a week to start with it. 

 

Regulator shmegulator. Just bang us all up ASAP, get the pubs open, and let us get our skite on. FFS.

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, Brian Dundas said:

I only really want the pubs open so everyone shuts the **** up about pubs not being open. I jest, even hermit me is desperate for a good night out. 

 

 

I'm not even that bothered for it myself to be honest, although I do miss a nice bottle of wine and some after dinner whisky when out for a meal.

I've got a fair few friends in the hospitality business, as many of us do, and I'm gutted for them at the losses they are taking on the chin right now.

It's a shitty situation for almost everyone though, and as long as we can get through it with health/jobs/businesses intact, then we can get to the job of making good the losses in the not-so-distant future.

 

 

[luckydug]

Next big moan will be the distribution of the vaccines. 

Followed by the conspiracy theories and anti vaccine types. 

[Governor Tarkin]

 

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'm willing to do my bit by getting absolutely legless three or four times a week in various South Side establishments all the way through 2021.

 

Good man.

 

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

You forgot folk moaning about moaners  

 

Beat me to it.

[luckydug]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

 

It's the least I can do after causing the downfall of western civilisation by visiting a different council area last Sunday.

East end of Glasgow ? 🤔 

[westbow]

4 minutes ago, luckydug said:

Next big moan will be the distribution of the vaccines. 

Followed by the conspiracy theories and anti vaccine types. 

The latter two - no time for. The former, not sure what you mean? If there is a **** up are we not allowed to criticise? Or is it regarding differences of opinion on who gets what when? Either way, are you giving unconditional backing regardless?

[milky_26]

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Our government and regulators seem to be well on the ball with the vaccine and looks like we will be first to start the vaccination programme. 👍

Van Tam said on the BBC this morning that he had been preparing for vaccine approval/etc since march. It also helps that the British approvals body was the EU one until Brexit.

[kila]

Staggered return of first and final year university students for face to face teaching from late January/February apparently.

 

Probably more to hold off the legal action from students being shafted with fees and accommodation

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

36 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

It's the least I can do after causing the downfall of western civilisation by visiting a different council area last Sunday.

Imagine if Jambo 4 ever had seen that posting  

[NANOJAMBO]

4 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

Van Tam said on the BBC this morning that he had been preparing for vaccine approval/etc since march. It also helps that the British approvals body was the EU one until Brexit.

What do you mean ?

[milky_26]

1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said:

I’m going to predict it’s next week for the Oxford vaccine. And it might not take a week to start with it. 

I think there is still a little bit of work to do with the efficacy analysis. I have a feeling it will be the end of December for approval and beginning of January for rollout to start

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, kila said:

Staggered return of first and final year university students for face to face teaching from late January/February apparently.

 

Probably more to hold off the legal action from students being shafted with fees and accommodation

 

 

As well as the care homes fiasco and scandal this must be up there with it.  Profits from greedy Unis over the safety and welfare of its students and the general public. 

[milky_26]

2 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

What do you mean ?

The mhra or whatever it is called used to be the EU body for drug approvals. Since Brexit the EU has had to setup their own version.

 

I saw an expert saying that I think earlier in the week on TV

[westbow]

3 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

Van Tam said on the BBC this morning that he had been preparing for vaccine approval/etc since march. It also helps that the British approvals body was the EU one until Brexit.

"Under European law a vaccine must be authorised by the EMA, but individual countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine for temporary use in their domestic market. Britain is still subject to those EU rules during the post-Brexit transition period which runs until the end of the year." Chris Morris, BBC news.

 

Rees-Mogg at his Trumpesque worst claiming it was helped by Brexit.

[Governor Tarkin]

47 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

It's the least I can do after causing the downfall of western civilisation by visiting a different council area last Sunday.

 

Well don’t think you caused the downfall of western civilisation, however, you do appear to have broke a couple of posters.

 

 

[Brighton Jambo]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 3 December 2020

Summary

• 958 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+7]
• 51 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+13]
• 69 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+1]
• 982 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-9]
• 26,233 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 4.3% of these were positive [+2,060; -0.2%]

I think I posted the same thing last week but these daily cases numbers are just not dropping in any noticeable way.  It has hovered around the 1000 mark for weeks.  
 

Please someone tell me I am missing something and actually we are going in the right direction as being in a tier 4 area it is soul destroying seeing no real improvement.

 

I look at the numbers in England (this is honestly not me making a political point) and they have noticeably dropped the last few weeks.  I know they had a lockdown but over here in the west we have been in a form of lockdown for ages and the numbers just don’t change.

 

someone give me some news on this please!! 

[graygo]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I think I posted the same thing last week but these daily cases numbers are just not dropping in any noticeable way.  It has hovered around the 1000 mark for weeks.  
 

Please someone tell me I am missing something and actually we are going in the right direction as being in a tier 4 area it is soul destroying seeing no real improvement.

 

I look at the numbers in England (this is honestly not me making a political point) and they have noticeably dropped the last few weeks.  I know they had a lockdown but over here in the west we have been in a form of lockdown for ages and the numbers just don’t change.

 

someone give me some news on this please!! 

 

Look past the number of positive cases and see how many are in hospital, ICU and dying for the true picture.

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Look past the number of positive cases and see how many are in hospital, ICU and dying for the true picture.

You could post exactly the same every year about hospitals tbh. The latest figures I saw just a week ago showed all areas of England with less critical care bed occupancy than this time last year. Had daily stats been issued last year, we would likely have seen much the same scenario playing out. Unfortunately,  1700 people die every day in the UK.

[DETTY29]

1 hour ago, luckydug said:

Next big moan will be the distribution of the vaccines. 

Followed by the conspiracy theories and anti vaccine types. 

It has started already re care home residents and Pfizer not being the best suited vaccine to distribute to them, but being the only one approved to date.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by DETTY29

[redjambo]

Here are today's 7-day case stats for the council areas.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday		Start of T4’s			1 Dec	30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov
Clackmannanshire	3	200	192	+8	165	+35		155	140	153	130	115
Renfrewshire	4	179	206	-27	260	-81		194	195	218	223	224
East Renfrewshire	4	164	169	-5	195	-31		155	149	155	172	170
North Lanarkshire	4	159	170	-11	235	-76		176	169	182	194	202
South Lanarkshire	4	159	172	-13	233	-74		174	179	202	198	213
Glasgow City	4	153	160	-7	235	-82		155	158	174	189	190
North Ayrshire	3	131	140	-9	124	+7		128	127	132	131	128
West Lothian	4	130	132	-2	193	-63		127	128	131	139	140
East Ayrshire	4	118	118	0	152	-34		115	120	137	132	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	113	121	-8	161	-48		117	110	114	135	133
Fife	3	103	107	-4	116	-13		99	96	105	104	102
Perth and Kinross	3	102	97	+5	116	-14		93	95	103	90	95
South Ayrshire	4	100	114	-14	153	-53		125	125	131	123	122
Stirling	4	99	124	-25	210	-111		123	132	149	140	141
Dundee City	3	98	92	+6	102	-4		92	97	104	109	109
Aberdeenshire	2	92	87	+5	64	+28		93	94	85	90	83
Midlothian	3	88	86	+2	101	-13		65	71	84	82	88
West Dunbartonshire	4	85	94	-9	142	-57		89	85	107	106	108
Argyll and Bute	2	79	77	+2	31	+48		77	83	61	61	54
Angus	3	66	62	+4	88	-22		62	65	71	77	78
Aberdeen City	2	65	71	-6	51	+14		90	92	101	90	91
Inverclyde	3	64	90	-26	99	-35		87	96	96	107	112
Edinburgh City	3	63	68	-5	84	-21		69	74	74	82	87
Falkirk	3	57	59	-2	85	-28		58	49	47	54	58
East Lothian	2	56	49	+7	48	+8		48	51	59	65	57
Scottish Borders	2	34	33	+1	74	-40		33	29	33	40	45
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0	0	+22		22	11	11	11	11
Dumfries & Galloway	2	21	21	0	34	-13		21	19	23	25	30
Highland	1	18	18	0	19	-1		19	19	16	17	15
Moray	1	14	11	+3	25	-11		9	8	8	8	10
Orkney Islands	1	4	9	-5	4	0		9	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	4	9	-5	13	-9		17	17	17	17	17
(Scotland)		101	106	-5	135	-34		105	105	116	118	119

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Here are today's 7-day case stats for the council areas.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday		Start of T4’s			1 Dec	30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov
Clackmannanshire	3	200	192	+8	165	+35		155	140	153	130	115
Renfrewshire	4	179	206	-27	260	-81		194	195	218	223	224
East Renfrewshire	4	164	169	-5	195	-31		155	149	155	172	170
North Lanarkshire	4	159	170	-11	235	-76		176	169	182	194	202
South Lanarkshire	4	159	172	-13	233	-74		174	179	202	198	213
Glasgow City	4	153	160	-7	235	-82		155	158	174	189	190
North Ayrshire	3	131	140	-9	124	+7		128	127	132	131	128
West Lothian	4	130	132	-2	193	-63		127	128	131	139	140
East Ayrshire	4	118	118	0	152	-34		115	120	137	132	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	113	121	-8	161	-48		117	110	114	135	133
Fife	3	103	107	-4	116	-13		99	96	105	104	102
Perth and Kinross	3	102	97	+5	116	-14		93	95	103	90	95
South Ayrshire	4	100	114	-14	153	-53		125	125	131	123	122
Stirling	4	99	124	-25	210	-111		123	132	149	140	141
Dundee City	3	98	92	+6	102	-4		92	97	104	109	109
Aberdeenshire	2	92	87	+5	64	+28		93	94	85	90	83
Midlothian	3	88	86	+2	101	-13		65	71	84	82	88
West Dunbartonshire	4	85	94	-9	142	-57		89	85	107	106	108
Argyll and Bute	2	79	77	+2	31	+48		77	83	61	61	54
Angus	3	66	62	+4	88	-22		62	65	71	77	78
Aberdeen City	2	65	71	-6	51	+14		90	92	101	90	91
Inverclyde	3	64	90	-26	99	-35		87	96	96	107	112
Edinburgh City	3	63	68	-5	84	-21		69	74	74	82	87
Falkirk	3	57	59	-2	85	-28		58	49	47	54	58
East Lothian	2	56	49	+7	48	+8		48	51	59	65	57
Scottish Borders	2	34	33	+1	74	-40		33	29	33	40	45
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0	0	+22		22	11	11	11	11
Dumfries & Galloway	2	21	21	0	34	-13		21	19	23	25	30
Highland	1	18	18	0	19	-1		19	19	16	17	15
Moray	1	14	11	+3	25	-11		9	8	8	8	10
Orkney Islands	1	4	9	-5	4	0		9	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	4	9	-5	13	-9		17	17	17	17	17
(Scotland)		101	106	-5	135	-34		105	105	116	118	119

Thanks again. 

[redjambo]

21 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I think I posted the same thing last week but these daily cases numbers are just not dropping in any noticeable way.  It has hovered around the 1000 mark for weeks.  
 

Please someone tell me I am missing something and actually we are going in the right direction as being in a tier 4 area it is soul destroying seeing no real improvement.

 

I look at the numbers in England (this is honestly not me making a political point) and they have noticeably dropped the last few weeks.  I know they had a lockdown but over here in the west we have been in a form of lockdown for ages and the numbers just don’t change.

 

someone give me some news on this please!! 

 

Here are the last month's case stats for Scotland. The figures *are* dropping, slowly but surely. Also have a look at the 7-day figures for your council area in the chart I just posted above - all of the Tier 4's have had a reduction in cases since they were designated in that tier, some quite significantly.

 

 

 

[Heartsmad1874]

5 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Here are today's 7-day case stats for the council areas.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday		Start of T4’s			1 Dec	30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov
Clackmannanshire	3	200	192	+8	165	+35		155	140	153	130	115
Renfrewshire	4	179	206	-27	260	-81		194	195	218	223	224
East Renfrewshire	4	164	169	-5	195	-31		155	149	155	172	170
North Lanarkshire	4	159	170	-11	235	-76		176	169	182	194	202
South Lanarkshire	4	159	172	-13	233	-74		174	179	202	198	213
Glasgow City	4	153	160	-7	235	-82		155	158	174	189	190
North Ayrshire	3	131	140	-9	124	+7		128	127	132	131	128
West Lothian	4	130	132	-2	193	-63		127	128	131	139	140
East Ayrshire	4	118	118	0	152	-34		115	120	137	132	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	113	121	-8	161	-48		117	110	114	135	133
Fife	3	103	107	-4	116	-13		99	96	105	104	102
Perth and Kinross	3	102	97	+5	116	-14		93	95	103	90	95
South Ayrshire	4	100	114	-14	153	-53		125	125	131	123	122
Stirling	4	99	124	-25	210	-111		123	132	149	140	141
Dundee City	3	98	92	+6	102	-4		92	97	104	109	109
Aberdeenshire	2	92	87	+5	64	+28		93	94	85	90	83
Midlothian	3	88	86	+2	101	-13		65	71	84	82	88
West Dunbartonshire	4	85	94	-9	142	-57		89	85	107	106	108
Argyll and Bute	2	79	77	+2	31	+48		77	83	61	61	54
Angus	3	66	62	+4	88	-22		62	65	71	77	78
Aberdeen City	2	65	71	-6	51	+14		90	92	101	90	91
Inverclyde	3	64	90	-26	99	-35		87	96	96	107	112
Edinburgh City	3	63	68	-5	84	-21		69	74	74	82	87
Falkirk	3	57	59	-2	85	-28		58	49	47	54	58
East Lothian	2	56	49	+7	48	+8		48	51	59	65	57
Scottish Borders	2	34	33	+1	74	-40		33	29	33	40	45
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0	0	+22		22	11	11	11	11
Dumfries & Galloway	2	21	21	0	34	-13		21	19	23	25	30
Highland	1	18	18	0	19	-1		19	19	16	17	15
Moray	1	14	11	+3	25	-11		9	8	8	8	10
Orkney Islands	1	4	9	-5	4	0		9	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	4	9	-5	13	-9		17	17	17	17	17
(Scotland)		101	106	-5	135	-34		105	105	116	118	119

Edinburgh looking really good for now.

[joondalupjambo]

So the Oxford vaccine will be approved soon, next week or the week after and is 70% effective.

The Pizfer is out and 95% effective.

 

When you eventually rock up for your jab how will you know which one you are getting?

Do you need to ask to see the bottle?

 

Or will this be Pizfer for oldies and vulnerable and Oxford for the masses?

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

How’s Clackmanshire not found itself in tier 4?

 

That's a very good question. It's actually having a "second wave" within the last few weeks - there's a possibility that the authorities thought it was recovering well until the second wave took off, and of course no changes were made last Tuesday. There's also the slight possibility that they thought they would leave it at Tier 3 as a test to see the relative recovery between it and neighbouring Stirling which is a tier 4.

 

In any case, the actual numbers of folk being infected in Clackmannanshire are pretty low. It's just that its population is also very low and therefore the case/population rate is high.

 

Also note that Alloa is one of the 5 hotspots being targetted for "mass" lateral flow tests - any positives from those tests will be asked to take normal PCR tests which will in turn start impacting the figures.

 

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, however, and it should be placed in Tier 4, imo.

[graygo]

35 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

You could post exactly the same every year about hospitals tbh. The latest figures I saw just a week ago showed all areas of England with less critical care bed occupancy than this time last year. Had daily stats been issued last year, we would likely have seen much the same scenario playing out. Unfortunately,  1700 people die every day in the UK.

 

I agree, to me it wouldn't matter if we all had the virus if the hospitalisations and deaths were reasonably low. I suppose it's what constitutes a low number.

[graygo]

19 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

So the Oxford vaccine will be approved soon, next week or the week after and is 70% effective.

The Pizfer is out and 95% effective.

 

When you eventually rock up for your jab how will you know which one you are getting?

Do you need to ask to see the bottle?

 

Or will this be Pizfer for oldies and vulnerable and Oxford for the masses?

 

Where are you getting the 70% figure from?

[joondalupjambo]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

Where are you getting the 70% figure from?

 Google - Oxford vaccine 70 percent effective and it is all over the search results also this was mentioned when talking about on the TV a couple of weeks ago and on the BBC News site.

 

It does suggest it could go higher, up to 90% but only if the doses increased but think that was said very quickly after Pizfer made their announcement.

 

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

4 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

 Google - Oxford vaccine 70 percent effective and it is all over the search results also this was mentioned when talking about on the TV a couple of weeks ago and on the BBC News site.

 

It does suggest it could go higher, up to 90% but only if the doses increased but think that was said very quickly after Pizfer made their announcement.

 

 

Thought it was 62% effective if 2 full doses but up to 90% when first dose half measure and second dose full. 

Average was reported as 70% and more testing underway to verify. 

Either way, let's roll it out and get vaccinating. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

I agree, to me it wouldn't matter if we all had the virus if the hospitalisations and deaths were reasonably low. I suppose it's what constitutes a low number.

If we remember back to the beginning of it all. The whole reason for lockdown .  Well one of the critical reasons for it was not to " overwhelm" the NHS.    This hasn't happened.  

[Malinga the Swinga]

40 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

Edinburgh looking really good for now.

We could drop a tier but will Scottish government make that decision, just before Christmas. 

[Brighton Jambo]

46 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Here are the last month's case stats for Scotland. The figures *are* dropping, slowly but surely. Also have a look at the 7-day figures for your council area in the chart I just posted above - all of the Tier 4's have had a reduction in cases since they were designated in that tier, some quite significantly.

 

 

 

Thanks for that.  That council area one is more promising as my area, East Dunbartonshire has dropped a long way so fingers crossed for tier 3!.  
 

[Malinga the Swinga]

48 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

It has started already re care home residents and Pfizer not being the best suited vaccine to distribute to them, but being the only one approved to date.

 

 

Yep, saw Care Home owner complaining they were promised they'd be first in line for vaccine and now they may need to wait. 

Don't think she grasped the requirement to keep at minus 70 degrees and then, you need to use the 95 (I think)  doses pretty much immediately. 

Not being harsh, but pointless wasting doses of vaccine if only half a case would be used. 

Need to get optimum use of what we have and have paid for. 

Wouldn't want anyone to accuse government of wastage. 

[Pasquale for King]

42 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

So the Oxford vaccine will be approved soon, next week or the week after and is 70% effective.

The Pizfer is out and 95% effective.

 

When you eventually rock up for your jab how will you know which one you are getting?

Do you need to ask to see the bottle?

 

Or will this be Pizfer for oldies and vulnerable and Oxford for the masses?

It might be the other way round as it’s proving difficult to work out how to get the vaccine that needs to be at minus 70 and then diluted to care homes or to those who can’t travel. 

[joondalupjambo]

4 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Thought it was 62% effective if 2 full doses but up to 90% when first dose half measure and second dose full. 

Average was reported as 70% and more testing underway to verify. 

Either way, let's roll it out and get vaccinating. 

 

Google it and virtually all news, reports and quotes are based on 70% up to 90% if you take multiple doses and then I can only find one report that says 62%.  If the Pizfer one gets you to 90% effective in two standard doses and the Oxford one gets you there if two or more doses then will this then not become a cost issue?

 

Absolutely agree let's get jabbing but my question still stands if Pzifer is say stronger, or more effective than the Oxford one who gets what one or if costs are vastly cheaper for the later who gets that one?  The government have already said that they are splitting the purchases.

 

All I am thinking is not everyone will get the Pzifer one.

[DETTY29]

6 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Yep, saw Care Home owner complaining they were promised they'd be first in line for vaccine and now they may need to wait. 

Don't think she grasped the requirement to keep at minus 70 degrees and then, you need to use the 95 (I think)  doses pretty much immediately. 

Not being harsh, but pointless wasting doses of vaccine if only half a case would be used. 

Need to get optimum use of what we have and have paid for. 

Wouldn't want anyone to accuse government of wastage. 

Taking a frail 80+ yo out of a care home, to a central hub that is likely needed for Pfizer, by the army will likely do more harm than good.

 

Trying not to be flippant but we will need to be patient.

 

We don't even know how long the vaccines last.  The plans by all govts are based on some heavy planning assumptions and caveats.

[CavySlaveJambo]

2 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

 If the Pizfer one gets you to 90% effective in two standard doses and the Oxford one gets you there if two or more doses then will this then not become a cost issue?

 

 

The Oxford one is £3 per dose, as being sold for cost. The Pfizer and Moderna ones are £25/dose and £15/dose or the other way around plus have the transport/storage problems

 

[graygo]

14 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

 

Google it and virtually all news, reports and quotes are based on 70% up to 90% if you take multiple doses and then I can only find one report that says 62%.  If the Pizfer one gets you to 90% effective in two standard doses and the Oxford one gets you there if two or more doses then will this then not become a cost issue?

 

Absolutely agree let's get jabbing but my question still stands if Pzifer is say stronger, or more effective than the Oxford one who gets what one or if costs are vastly cheaper for the later who gets that one?  The government have already said that they are splitting the purchases.

 

All I am thinking is not everyone will get the Pzifer one.

 

Well according to this report, which is how I've always understood it, efficacy was 62% when 2 full doses were given, 90% when a half dose then full dose given. This averages out at 70% but if this vaccine gets approval it will be with the split dosage so it will be 90% effective.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/oxfrod-astrazeneca-vaccine-results-test-covid-vaccination-effectiveness-772879

 

[CavySlaveJambo]

Well, half the black hole I am falling into would have been sorted IF the National Autistic Society's little line actually WAS on the Scottish Govt website.   People with ASD/LD are exempt from the travel restrictions if they need to travel (and Autistic/LD needs could be for any reason).   

 

 

[joondalupjambo]

16 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Well according to this report, which is how I've always understood it, efficacy was 62% when 2 full doses were given, 90% when a half dose then full dose given. This averages out at 70% but if this vaccine gets approval it will be with the split dosage so it will be 90% effective.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/oxfrod-astrazeneca-vaccine-results-test-covid-vaccination-effectiveness-772879

 

 

Yep see that now but the 70% effectiveness quotes are out there and so why not say 90% effectiveness if taken via these dosages?  Not everyone will seek out these reports and just read headlines.  

 

Anyway regardless my original question was if there are two vaccines on the go, and there is a variance of sorts who gets what one and how do you know which one you are getting?   It could be that the priority groups get the Pizfer one and the rest get the cheaper Oxford one.  Cost surely will come into it at some point, won't it?

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

 

Yep see that now but the 70% effectiveness quotes are out there and so why not say 90% effectiveness if taken via these dosages?  Not everyone will seek out these reports and just read headlines.  

 

Anyway regardless my original question was if there are two vaccines on the go, and there is a variance of sorts who gets what one and how do you know which one you are getting?   It could be that the priority groups get the Pizfer one and the rest get the cheaper Oxford one.  Cost surely will come into it at some point, won't it?

 

 

 

I'm sure this was mentioned yesterday by.....well....can't remember who it was.

 

The UK has ordered 40 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine enough for 20 million people & 100 million doses of the Oxford/AstraZenica vaccine, enough for at least 50 million people, of course there are other vaccines on order but all except the Moderna vaccine are still in phase 3 trials and probably won't be ready until next year sometime.

 

So to answer your question, yes I believe the pfizer vaccine will be used first and for the most vulnerable, which will probably cover most if not all of the 9 groups published yesterday, as for the rest of the plebs you lot will have to make do with the cheaper version.

 

[Mikey1874]

BBC Parliament quite good just now with House of Lords talking about the vaccine and all the practicalities.

[Dagger Is Back]

3 hours ago, redjambo said:

Here are today's 7-day case stats for the council areas.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	Today	Yesterday		Start of T4’s			1 Dec	30 Nov	29 Nov	28 Nov	27 Nov
Clackmannanshire	3	200	192	+8	165	+35		155	140	153	130	115
Renfrewshire	4	179	206	-27	260	-81		194	195	218	223	224
East Renfrewshire	4	164	169	-5	195	-31		155	149	155	172	170
North Lanarkshire	4	159	170	-11	235	-76		176	169	182	194	202
South Lanarkshire	4	159	172	-13	233	-74		174	179	202	198	213
Glasgow City	4	153	160	-7	235	-82		155	158	174	189	190
North Ayrshire	3	131	140	-9	124	+7		128	127	132	131	128
West Lothian	4	130	132	-2	193	-63		127	128	131	139	140
East Ayrshire	4	118	118	0	152	-34		115	120	137	132	138
East Dunbartonshire	4	113	121	-8	161	-48		117	110	114	135	133
Fife	3	103	107	-4	116	-13		99	96	105	104	102
Perth and Kinross	3	102	97	+5	116	-14		93	95	103	90	95
South Ayrshire	4	100	114	-14	153	-53		125	125	131	123	122
Stirling	4	99	124	-25	210	-111		123	132	149	140	141
Dundee City	3	98	92	+6	102	-4		92	97	104	109	109
Aberdeenshire	2	92	87	+5	64	+28		93	94	85	90	83
Midlothian	3	88	86	+2	101	-13		65	71	84	82	88
West Dunbartonshire	4	85	94	-9	142	-57		89	85	107	106	108
Argyll and Bute	2	79	77	+2	31	+48		77	83	61	61	54
Angus	3	66	62	+4	88	-22		62	65	71	77	78
Aberdeen City	2	65	71	-6	51	+14		90	92	101	90	91
Inverclyde	3	64	90	-26	99	-35		87	96	96	107	112
Edinburgh City	3	63	68	-5	84	-21		69	74	74	82	87
Falkirk	3	57	59	-2	85	-28		58	49	47	54	58
East Lothian	2	56	49	+7	48	+8		48	51	59	65	57
Scottish Borders	2	34	33	+1	74	-40		33	29	33	40	45
Na h-Eileanan Siar	1	22	22	0	0	+22		22	11	11	11	11
Dumfries & Galloway	2	21	21	0	34	-13		21	19	23	25	30
Highland	1	18	18	0	19	-1		19	19	16	17	15
Moray	1	14	11	+3	25	-11		9	8	8	8	10
Orkney Islands	1	4	9	-5	4	0		9	4	4	4	4
Shetland Islands	1	4	9	-5	13	-9		17	17	17	17	17
(Scotland)		101	106	-5	135	-34		105	105	116	118	119

 

Excellent stuff thank you

[The Real Maroonblood]

56 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

BBC Parliament quite good just now with House of Lords talking about the vaccine and all the practicalities.

Are they talking in their sleep?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

15 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Are they talking in their sleep?

 

[redjambo]

30 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Are they talking in their sleep?

 

Sleeping in their dreams?

[Adam_the_legend]

2 hours ago, joondalupjambo said:

 

Yep see that now but the 70% effectiveness quotes are out there and so why not say 90% effectiveness if taken via these dosages?  Not everyone will seek out these reports and just read headlines.  

 

Anyway regardless my original question was if there are two vaccines on the go, and there is a variance of sorts who gets what one and how do you know which one you are getting?   It could be that the priority groups get the Pizfer one and the rest get the cheaper Oxford one.  Cost surely will come into it at some point, won't it?

 

 

The initial reports of 70% was widely reported but then there was a second wave of reports about the split doses. AstraZeneca actually cocked up, there was never supposed to be a half dose group. They announced the results by combining the 2 figures but got found out pretty quickly. Pretty big and glaring error for such an important project. 
 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2261092-do-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-results-stand-up-to-scrutiny/

[DETTY29]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

BBC Parliament quite good just now with House of Lords talking about the vaccine and all the practicalities.

What was Lord Botham's contribution?