The Real Maroonblood Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Found this a bit strange. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html How are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Certain I heard on one of the news channels that when a drug/vaccine is given emergency clearance all liability transfers from the company to government, seemingly it's happened several times in the past, so it's nothing new, so they said. Do you think the UK government have railroaded pfizer and bribed them into to going quick with this vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: How are you? Still waiting on the results, bud. Yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Jason Leitch just said will get vaccine to the over 50s by the summer. At that point 99% of deaths can be avoided. Would tend to agree with that time frame, as they had said that they would hope that the first 9 groups, with the over 50's being in group 9 being vaccinated by around about Easter, which is early April 2021. and that was assuming there wasn't any problems cropping up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, ri Alban said: Do you think the UK government have railroaded pfizer and bribed them into to going quick with this vaccine? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Really hope he is being pessimistic with the summer forecast. Not sure how much more I can take. I can’t take much more either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: No. Something isn't what it should be. But I'm not knocking it, I'm glad. I just found it strange. 👍 Edited December 4, 2020 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Were just saying on Sky News that yesterday Italy recorded it's highest daily death toll of 993. Whilst the UK is opening up over Christmas, Italy is doing pretty much the opposite with more restrictions being brought in over Christmas & New Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said: According to public health the virus is not being transmitted in any numbers in schools. They are community transmissions that are causing classes to have to isolate. One of the many things that they point to to back this up is that when the class is isolating after a positive test there are not then further positive tests of that group. They actually reckon that schools being open reduces community transmissions. Thats genius that rationale is. So public health reckon if you isolate from positive cases then it stops further spread? Who knew? Edited December 4, 2020 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Still waiting on the results, bud. Yourself? Hope you don't wait too long and it's good news. I'm fine thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Hope you don't wait too long and it's good news. I'm fine thanks. Cidered up atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Cidered up atm. 👍🍺🍷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, jonesy said: Damn it. Was going to go home and avoid the booze... now tempted to buy a few bottles of cider on the way home... Does cider go with curry? And is it a preventative against the CV19? Cider is the beans of the alcohol section. Goes with everything. 🍻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, jonesy said: Thought you were going to say it makes you fart. 🤣 No that'll be the big jar of Silverskins, I just tanned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Faslane it is then. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-55186400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson who has been all over media recently regarding the Liverpool lockdown and testing has been arrested on suspicion of bribery and witness intimidation regarding building developments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 hours ago, jonesy said: Of course immunity will be lower. Many folk have effectively been in a form of bacterial quarantine since March. It's like those folk that are constantly spraying every surface in their house with anti-bacterial chemicals wondering why their kids get sick often. Killing 99% of bacteria - as the manufacturers claim - is not necessarily a good thing! Colds and flu are caused by viruses not bacteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Lord BJ said: Argyle and Bute have a huge increase. You would imagine they will discover what tier 4 is together with Clackmanshire. The areas that are due to come out of tier 4 will be interesting. It was time limited when it’s announced, however, as we have seen previously timescales have been very flexible. You would imagine some of the areas are likely to stay in tier 4. If they drop West Lothian to tier 3, Edinburgh might have a shot at tier 2. Albeit I can’t see them allowing hospitality to open up in the lead up to Christmas. I just don’t see how they can keep areas in Tier 4 in the run up to Xmas. The hospitality bit I get but ‘non essential’ shops become really pretty essential both for the retailers and for shoppers trying to do Xmas shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Brian Dundas said: I don’t think you understand what they do and what their roll is in trying to keep people safe, basically you are accusing them of doing the opposite of what their reason for existing is. If schools were not safe they would want them closed. I don’t expect you to agree, you’ve already made your mind up. I do understand - their role is to give the impression they know what they are doing. I think its perfectly clear that they are winging it and their repeated screw ups and cover-ups are destroying the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Brian Dundas said: It’s pretty clear they have no idea what they are doing. FTFY 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I just don’t see how they can keep areas in Tier 4 in the run up to Xmas. The hospitality bit I get but ‘non essential’ shops become really pretty essential both for the retailers and for shoppers trying to do Xmas shopping. Tier 3 and a half a possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I just don’t see how they can keep areas in Tier 4 in the run up to Xmas. The hospitality bit I get but ‘non essential’ shops become really pretty essential both for the retailers and for shoppers trying to do Xmas shopping. You would be assuming that trashing the economy is somewhat important. It would be interesting to see how they could justify moving Glasgow down a tier, presumably to put it on Tier 3 with Edinburgh who they don't intend to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Were just saying on Sky News that yesterday Italy recorded it's highest daily death toll of 993. Whilst the UK is opening up over Christmas, Italy is doing pretty much the opposite with more restrictions being brought in over Christmas & New Year. Turkey is pretty much in full lockdown now. Curfew between 9pm - 5am Mon-Fri. Also all weekend 9pm Friday till 5am Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said: It’s pretty clear he has no idea about anything. There you go. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson who has been all over media recently regarding the Liverpool lockdown and testing has been arrested on suspicion of bribery and witness intimidation regarding building developments My opinion is that chippy tits is a fat, bitter evertonian twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Weakened Offender said: There you go. 👍 Truly pathetic effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, jonesy said: Looking past the fact that he's a Tory for a second, Charles Walker's statement - on a practical and emotional level - raises some interesting discussion points. Except for saying the death of the elderly is not a tragedy... you are right. It is about making informed decisions. In some of these cases with elderly death (although not as nastily as Covid) is actually a hidden blessing as the person was suffering. Was losing there independence. When your time is up your time is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, jonesy said: Indeed. It's obviously a highly-emotive subject, and may be too raw for some folk given our proximity to the pandemic. However, I do agree that independent thought and sensible action should be encouraged, rather than blanket bans and restrictions. The word tragedy - along with several other commonly tweeted/posted nouns and adjectives - has been overused, diluting its real meaning. I do worry that we will struggle to see the back of restrictions for a long time, despite the threat of Covid diminishing rapidly - especially once the vaccination programme gets into full swing. Governments, and to some extent the public in general, become very comfortable in a decree/compliance system. Oh I am having a back and forth with my waste of space MSP who cannot see IKEA is a problem and the damage travel restrictions are causing emotionally. Oh and he is not questioning the weirdness of the Midlothian numbers jumping around wildly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 All levels moving out of 4 next week. Most moving to 3 and hopefully some of low enough are level 2. Hopefully start to move down quicker from January once the vaccine is rolled out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, jonesy said: However, my point stands re general health. The abundance of 'kills all germs/bacteria' products seems a bit counter-intuitive. Also, would the anti-bacterial gels that everyone was going radge for at the start of the pandemic not be completely ineffective at preventing the spread of CV19, then? Was it just good marketing or is everyone as stoopid as me? I dunno. You kind of just have to do your bit so as not to spread Covid to other people as eventually it could end up with the old or obese people whom it has a greater chance of killing. Just because eating your own poop is less dangerous than eating other people's poop, doesn't make it a good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Very informative piece on Covid myths. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-myths-debunked-popular-covid-19-conspiracies-facebook-fact-checked-3058353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, jonesy said: Has that been confirmed? The first minister has said at the briefings that all areas will move out of 4. I know they have backtracked in the past with the circuit breaker but shops will need to open them for Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, jonesy said: However, I do agree that independent thought and sensible action should be encouraged, rather than blanket bans and restrictions. I'd use most, if not all, of your posts on this thread as an example as to why people's independent thoughts and their concept of what sensible action may be to promote blanket bans and restrictions. To the max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 47 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said: Oh I am having a back and forth with my waste of space MSP who cannot see IKEA is a problem and the damage travel restrictions are causing emotionally. Oh and he is not questioning the weirdness of the Midlothian numbers jumping around wildly. Having autism means that you can travel without restrictions. I know that doesn't help with your anxiety, but hold on in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: Having autism means that you can travel without restrictions. I know that doesn't help with your anxiety, but hold on in there Yeah I found that out last night. Courtesy of the National Autistic Society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: I just don’t see how they can keep areas in Tier 4 in the run up to Xmas. The hospitality bit I get but ‘non essential’ shops become really pretty essential both for the retailers and for shoppers trying to do Xmas shopping. I think they said ALL tier 4 areas will come out of it on Tuesday 11th. Sorry for the link. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6348196/lockdown-scotland-tier-four-restrictions-lifted-sturgeon/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 SNP now use Public health advice excuse to explain away reason why schools will not close longer over Christmas Funny when it suits them it's all about the advice which must be followed but when it does not they make it up/ignore it to suit 'their' plan of action Covid in Scotland: Swinney defends school holiday decision - BBC News At least it's a decision but an example of the hypocrisy that surrounds Covid from our politicians of all parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: My opinion is that chippy tits is a fat, bitter evertonian twat. Chippy tits. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 hours ago, CJGJ said: SNP now use Public health advice excuse to explain away reason why schools will not close longer over Christmas Funny when it suits them it's all about the advice which must be followed but when it does not they make it up/ignore it to suit 'their' plan of action Covid in Scotland: Swinney defends school holiday decision - BBC News At least it's a decision but an example of the hypocrisy that surrounds Covid from our politicians of all parties Boo hoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 8 hours ago, graygo said: Turkey is pretty much in full lockdown now. Curfew between 9pm - 5am Mon-Fri. Also all weekend 9pm Friday till 5am Monday. Feck breaking curfew in Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: Turkey is pretty much in full lockdown now. Curfew between 9pm - 5am Mon-Fri. Also all weekend 9pm Friday till 5am Monday. Buy a goose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: Buy a goose That's quite weird, I didn't post that. 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Feck breaking curfew in Turkey. 10 hours ago, graygo said: Turkey is pretty much in full lockdown now. Curfew between 9pm - 5am Mon-Fri. Also all weekend 9pm Friday till 5am Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: That's quite weird, I didn't post that. You sure? 4 hours ago, ri Alban said: Turkey is pretty much in full lockdown now. Curfew between 9pm - 5am Mon-Fri. Also all weekend 9pm Friday till 5am Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Scottish numbers: 5 December 2020 Summary 777 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-189] 22 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-19] 64 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-1] 945 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-20] 20,723 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 4.5% of these were positive [-6,144; +0.3%] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Per-board, per-100,000 case stats: Scotland 14 [-4]. Greater Glasgow 18 [-4], Lanarkshire 18 [-7], Ayrshire 17 [-2], Forth Valley 16 [+1], Lothian 16 [+3], Fife 14 [-3], Grampian 12 [=], Tayside 10 [-6]. All others: less than 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Today's 7-day per-council infection rate stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area Tier Today Yesterday Start of T4’s 3 Dec 2 Dec 1 Dec 30 Nov 29 Nov Clackmannanshire 3 217 208 +9 165 +52 200 192 155 140 153 Argyll and Bute 2 173 182 -9 31 +142 79 77 77 83 61 Renfrewshire 4 158 162 -4 260 -102 179 206 194 195 218 Glasgow City 4 156 155 +1 235 -79 153 160 155 158 174 North Lanarkshire 4 153 159 -6 235 -82 159 170 176 169 182 East Renfrewshire 4 150 156 -6 195 -45 164 169 155 149 155 North Ayrshire 3 136 137 -1 124 +12 131 140 128 127 132 South Lanarkshire 4 136 146 -10 233 -97 159 172 174 179 202 East Ayrshire 4 121 114 +7 152 -31 118 118 115 120 137 West Lothian 4 110 114 -4 193 -83 130 132 127 128 131 Dundee City 3 101 96 +5 102 -1 98 92 92 97 104 East Dunbartonshire 4 101 100 +1 161 -60 113 121 117 110 114 Fife 3 101 103 -2 116 -15 103 107 99 96 105 South Ayrshire 4 101 103 -2 153 -52 100 114 125 125 131 Perth and Kinross 3 100 100 0 116 -16 102 97 93 95 103 Aberdeenshire 2 90 91 -1 64 +26 92 87 93 94 85 West Dunbartonshire 4 87 89 -2 142 -55 85 94 89 85 107 Midlothian 3 86 83 +3 101 -15 88 86 65 71 84 Stirling 4 84 94 -10 210 -126 99 124 123 132 149 Aberdeen City 2 73 64 +9 51 +22 65 71 90 92 101 Edinburgh City 3 72 67 +5 84 -12 63 68 69 74 74 Falkirk 3 68 62 +6 85 -17 57 59 58 49 47 East Lothian 2 66 63 +3 48 +18 56 49 48 51 59 Angus 3 64 66 -2 88 -24 66 62 62 65 71 Inverclyde 3 57 55 +2 99 -42 64 90 87 96 96 Scottish Borders 2 35 35 0 74 -39 34 33 33 29 33 Dumfries & Galloway 2 21 20 +1 34 -13 21 21 21 19 23 Highland 1 17 20 -3 19 -2 18 18 19 19 16 Na h-Eileanan Siar 1 15 15 0 0 +15 22 22 22 11 11 Moray 1 11 11 0 25 -14 14 11 9 8 8 Orkney Islands 1 4 4 0 4 0 4 9 9 4 4 Shetland Islands 1 4 4 0 13 -9 4 9 17 17 17 Scotland 101 101 0 135 -34 101 106 105 105 116 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Beginning of the very slow road back to normality, Not long now folks. Stay strong everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, redjambo said: Today's 7-day per-council infection rate stats: 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area Tier Today Yesterday Start of T4’s 3 Dec 2 Dec 1 Dec 30 Nov 29 Nov Clackmannanshire 3 217 208 +9 165 +52 200 192 155 140 153 Argyll and Bute 2 173 182 -9 31 +142 79 77 77 83 61 Renfrewshire 4 158 162 -4 260 -102 179 206 194 195 218 Glasgow City 4 156 155 +1 235 -79 153 160 155 158 174 North Lanarkshire 4 153 159 -6 235 -82 159 170 176 169 182 East Renfrewshire 4 150 156 -6 195 -45 164 169 155 149 155 North Ayrshire 3 136 137 -1 124 +12 131 140 128 127 132 South Lanarkshire 4 136 146 -10 233 -97 159 172 174 179 202 East Ayrshire 4 121 114 +7 152 -31 118 118 115 120 137 West Lothian 4 110 114 -4 193 -83 130 132 127 128 131 Dundee City 3 101 96 +5 102 -1 98 92 92 97 104 East Dunbartonshire 4 101 100 +1 161 -60 113 121 117 110 114 Fife 3 101 103 -2 116 -15 103 107 99 96 105 South Ayrshire 4 101 103 -2 153 -52 100 114 125 125 131 Perth and Kinross 3 100 100 0 116 -16 102 97 93 95 103 Aberdeenshire 2 90 91 -1 64 +26 92 87 93 94 85 West Dunbartonshire 4 87 89 -2 142 -55 85 94 89 85 107 Midlothian 3 86 83 +3 101 -15 88 86 65 71 84 Stirling 4 84 94 -10 210 -126 99 124 123 132 149 Aberdeen City 2 73 64 +9 51 +22 65 71 90 92 101 Edinburgh City 3 72 67 +5 84 -12 63 68 69 74 74 Falkirk 3 68 62 +6 85 -17 57 59 58 49 47 East Lothian 2 66 63 +3 48 +18 56 49 48 51 59 Angus 3 64 66 -2 88 -24 66 62 62 65 71 Inverclyde 3 57 55 +2 99 -42 64 90 87 96 96 Scottish Borders 2 35 35 0 74 -39 34 33 33 29 33 Dumfries & Galloway 2 21 20 +1 34 -13 21 21 21 19 23 Highland 1 17 20 -3 19 -2 18 18 19 19 16 Na h-Eileanan Siar 1 15 15 0 0 +15 22 22 22 11 11 Moray 1 11 11 0 25 -14 14 11 9 8 8 Orkney Islands 1 4 4 0 4 0 4 9 9 4 4 Shetland Islands 1 4 4 0 13 -9 4 9 17 17 17 Scotland 101 101 0 135 -34 101 106 105 105 116 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavySlaveJambo Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, jonesy said: Hmm...reckon any areas will go up a tier before Christmas? Some should. But I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Fans back in England adds just a wee bit atmosphere. When will we see fans back here seeing as Scotland has the lowest covid levels in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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