Hearts v Celtic semi - over 28,000 sold

[Riccarton3]

20 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

This smacks of double standards I’m afraid.

 

If both venues are neutral, why would you need a draw?

[Notts1874]

Any further developments tonight then folks???????

[luckyBatistuta]

9 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Just because we’ve never heard of one....it doesn’t make it a bad idea.

 

Also.....

 

Aberdeen to Murrayfield will be an easier journey than Aberdeen to Hampden given the location of the arrival train station to the stadium. Alight at Haymarket and a short tram or bus journey or even a 15 minute walk. 

 

Of course it’s a bad idea. It doesn’t happen, but going forward, you’re happy for every club to start contesting every venue and demand another draw for every stadium they don’t fancy... the only reason this may happen is because it’s one of the bigots.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

People would have complaints based on it being contrary to the obvious best solution.    Not because there was no draw.

 

You're at it or are suddenly rather thick.

 

?

[Peebo]

3 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Ok.....

 

We aren’t happy with Hampden at that time on a Sunday. Apparently Celtic aren’t happy with Murrayfield.

 

To ensure everyone is comfortable with the decision we simply allocate a kick off time to Hampden say, 1:30pm and a 4pm kick off at Murrayfield and which ever tie is drawn out first plays Hampden.

 

Job done and no more complaints from any team and Super Sunday lives on.

Our objections are completely reasonable, and widely accepted. 

 

Celtic not being happy with a neutral venue because it’s not the neutral venue in their home City is an absolutely ridiculous, baseless objection. Pandering to that should make everyone distinctly uncomfortable. 

[geomac]

20 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Exactly, when does that ever happen. Is every team from now on going to protest at the venue that’s been given to them and demand a draw, it’s a joke.

yes is that a problem?

[Alex Kintner]

5 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Ok.....

 

We aren’t happy with Hampden at that time on a Sunday. Apparently Celtic aren’t happy with Murrayfield.

 

To ensure everyone is comfortable with the decision we simply allocate a kick off time to Hampden say, 1:30pm and a 4pm kick off at Murrayfield and which ever tie is drawn out first plays Hampden.

 

Job done and no more complaints from any team and Super Sunday lives on.

 

Didn’t think it was possible for you to out-do your earlier posts on this thread. I was wrong.

 

[Peebo]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Draw sets a precendent

 

Won't happen. Maybe a decent idea but say there is another occasion. St Johnstone, Celtic, Hibs, Ayr. 

 

Celtic v Ayr drawn at Murrayfield

 

Hibs v St Johnstone at Hampden 

 

Would be ridiculed

This would, of course, never happen because of the contractual arrangement which is now widely known. Which is a prime example of how venue selection is not randomly decided by the draw, and not even the incompetent, servile SPFL can pretend otherwise! 

[DH1986]

5 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

People would have complaints based on it being contrary to the obvious best solution.    Not because there was no draw.

 

You're at it or are suddenly rather thick.

 

Murrayfield is the best solution for us though. Clearly Celtic don’t feel that way. You can’t demand to be treated equally then ignore the request of one of the other teams.

 

 

[S Form]

The only reason Celtic are asking for a draw is that their manky fans will be up in arms if the Rangers get to play in the Weeg and they don’t. Everything with these buggers is viewed through an OF prism.

[pointon]

If this happens let’s make sure we sell all our allocation 

[Mikey1874]

Celtic only have themselves to blame for not getting to Champions League. 

[DH1986]

3 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

If both venues are neutral, why would you need a draw?

 

Em....

 

To decide which tie is played where.

 

Or

 

The SPFL could simply insist because we were drawn first we will play at Hampden and the second tie should be moved.

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, DH1986 said:

 

Murrayfield is the best solution for us though. Clearly Celtic don’t feel that way. You can’t demand to be treated equally then ignore the request of one of the other teams.

 

 

 

To play every game in Glasgow

[Peebo]

1 minute ago, DH1986 said:

 

Murrayfield is the best solution for us though. Clearly Celtic don’t feel that way. You can’t demand to be treated equally then ignore the request of one of the other teams.

 

 

Who is demanding equal treatment? 

 

Pretty sure all the demands have been for sensible scheduling of the games. 

[DH1986]

2 minutes ago, S Form said:

The only reason Celtic are asking for a draw is that their manky fans will be up in arms if the Rangers get to play in the Weeg and they don’t. Everything with these buggers is viewed through an OF prism.

 

Of course it is.

 

As a club they are simply looking out whats best for their supporters....much like AB has done for us. 

[John Findlay]

2 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Murrayfield is the best solution for us though. Clearly Celtic don’t feel that way. You can’t demand to be treated equally then ignore the request of one of the other teams.

 

 

I guess we always say Hampden is never the best solution for us.

[Peebo]

Just now, DH1986 said:

 

Em....

 

To decide which tie is played where.

 

Or

 

The SPFL could simply insist because we were drawn first we will play at Hampden and the second tie should be moved.

Neither of which is necessary. 

[WheatfieldWarrior]

4 hours ago, flux said:

https://thecelticstar.com/spfl-decision-summary-please-rangers-appease-hearts-aberdeen-celtic-screw/

 

Wonder if they will get a refund for their ferries... 

 

Celtic fans travelling without a match ticket presumably...

[weekend offender]

Fcuk Ceptic

 

[sairyinthat]

If anybody thinks the Rangers fans will let them get away with that they're dreaming.

[DH1986]

1 minute ago, Peebo said:

Who is demanding equal treatment? 

 

Pretty sure all the demands have been for sensible scheduling of the games. 

 

Absolutely.

 

So.....how do the SPFL decide which tie is played where ? 

 

What do they do if Aberdeen chuck their hat in the ring for Murrayfield ?

[luckyBatistuta]

4 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

If both venues are neutral, why would you need a draw?

 

Exactly, I’m not biting to him anymore, he’s at it.

 

3 minutes ago, geomac said:

yes is that a problem?

 

Yes...Why would you protest and demand a draw for a different neutral venue?

 

Why are Celtic wanting a draw for a neutral venue, that is possibly already decided? 

[sadj]

3 minutes ago, To Be Frank said:

 

Didn’t think it was possible for you to out-do your earlier posts on this thread. I was wrong.

 

Saved me saying this... As much lunacy as the original decision. The venues are not important , logistics , policing , times for families and travel home are the issues that need adjusted to correctly and the common sense aspect says Hearts v Celtic at Murrayfield is the most sensible solution to all those issues. 

 

Drylaw you usually make decent points and have over the time iv seen you posting on here so surely your just trolling or having a bad day but just think about what a draw would do and what issues that would cause in future and the logistical aspects of Celtic v Hearts at Hampden and Rangers v Aberdeen at Murrayfield would cause as opposed to whats being proposed. 

[Shanks said no]

If it does go to a toss of a coin and we go to Hampden, can we have a toss of the coin for the kick off time, the referee and what end we can get?

[Riccarton3]

3 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Em....

 

To decide which tie is played where.

 

Or

 

The SPFL could simply insist because we were drawn first we will play at Hampden and the second tie should be moved.

Em,,,,,,

 

I've never heard of first out the draw being allocated a particular venue. is this normal?

It's down to the SPFL to decide who plays where, at what time etc. Like they did first time before they realised what a mess they had delivered.

 

[Peebo]

Just now, DH1986 said:

 

Absolutely.

 

So.....how do the SPFL decide which tie is played where ? 

 

What do they do if Aberdeen chuck their hat in the ring for Murrayfield ?

How do they decide? The same way they always do. Consider multiple factors (scheduling, logistics, safety, cost etc) then make a decision. If Celtic or Aberdeen (or anyone else) have objections, actually listen to them this time, then make a decision. 

 

Drawing at random at the request of one team is ridiculous. 

[luckydug]

35 minutes ago, Smithee said:

I didn't say anything about home advantage, I'm just thinking about tens of thousands of your fans having to travel to another city. We'd prefer not to, they'd prefer not to too - it's understandable. 

I don't believe it's ever about the most logical and safe solution, and if we're talking about the draw you could equally argue that with Hampden being the original venue and our game being drawn first, that it should be the second game that's being moved.

 

My concerns are alleviated if one of the games is at murrayfield. It would be a nice bonus if it was our game too but I'm not expecting it. 

If they give into Celtic's request every club outside Glasgow could demand the same treatment for every Semi Final.

They have a nerve after having the home city advantage for over a century the one time they are asked to play outside Glasgow because of special circumstances they act as if they are hard done by.

If they are so desperate to play at Hampden they could agree to play on the Saturday.  After all its because of them the games are having to be shifted.

[Hungry hippo]

Just now, DH1986 said:

 

Of course it is.

 

As a club they are simply looking out whats best for their supporters....much like AB has done for us. 

 

Except no club haa ever successfully objected to a neutral game being played in anotger team's city.

 

Inverness fans had to trek to Easter Road to play us in two semis! The precedent is clear and the city either has.no advantage or we need to draw the venue for all semis going forward.

 

If the police think it's safer at Murrayfield then they don't have a case.

 

PS personally I'd enjoy a trip to  Hampden more but Celtic can't start dictating venues.

 

We clearly had very reasonable objections to the original proposals which we shouldn't forget were only being looked at to help the Old Firm teams.

[Mr Sifter]

1 hour ago, DH1986 said:

 

Well.....

 

This raises a whole new issue. Celtic are actually well within their rights to ask for this tbh. Just because the game is in Edinburgh and it suits us doesn’t mean it should happen.

 

If we’re demanding fairness and openness I suppose we’ll just need to take our chances in the draw for the stadium.....and pray luck is on our side.

 

thats a pure beamer of a post ?

[S Form]

6 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Of course it is.

 

As a club they are simply looking out whats best for their supporters....much like AB has done for us. 

Fair enough, but from a practical point of view it would seem best to have only two sets of fans travelling a long distance (Celtic and Aberdeen) than three (us, Rangers and Aberdeen).

[luckyBatistuta]

7 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Em....

 

To decide which tie is played where.

 

Or

 

The SPFL could simply insist because we were drawn first we will play at Hampden and the second tie should be moved.

 

3 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Absolutely.

 

So.....how do the SPFL decide which tie is played where ? 

 

What do they do if Aberdeen chuck their hat in the ring for Murrayfield ?

 

It’s up to them to decide the venue. Have we demanded a draw for another venue every time that we have been dragged through to Hampden...No and if we did, we would be told where to go. It’s just sour grapes from Celtic.

[Ski Nae]

45 minutes ago, Dave_Mackay said:

Hearts v Celtic being drawn first, should be played at Hampden on Saturday the 27^th, and Rangers Aberdeen on Sunday 28^th at Hampden, so it’s the Saturday game which has caused the problem, and has to be moved, not Rangers v Aberdeen who are at Hampden on the day they should, having been drawn as the 2^nd game. Therefore Hearts are having to play on Sunday to accommodate Celtic, and as Hampden is not available, they have to play elsewhere, (Murrayfield) why should the other teams have a draw to see where they should play. If Celtic don't agree, they should just play on the original dates.

 

 

This makes perfect sense. 

 

[However, I'm not sure if that's important!] 

[Riccarton3]

5 minutes ago, Peebo said:

How do they decide? The same way they always do. Consider multiple factors (scheduling, logistics, safety, cost etc) then make a decision. If Celtic or Aberdeen (or anyone else) have objections, actually listen to them this time, then make a decision. 

 

Drawing at random at the request of one team is ridiculous. 

Not according to some, obviously.

[DH1986]

3 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

Em,,,,,,

 

I've never heard of first out the draw being allocated a particular venue. is this normal?

It's down to the SPFL to decide who plays where, at what time etc. Like they did first time before they realised what a mess they had delivered.

 

 

None of this is normal.

 

This is completely new situation for everyone........the SPFL have made a real arse of this and they’re now having to find a solution that will keep all clubs as complaint free as possible.

 

 

[luckyBatistuta]

6 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

If it does go to a toss of a coin and we go to Hampden, can we have a toss of the coin for the kick off time, the referee and what end we can get?

 

Don’t give him ideas bud ?

 

2 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said:

 

thats a pure beamer of a post ?

 

?

[Gershwin]

20 minutes ago, Peebo said:

Our objections are completely reasonable, and widely accepted. 

 

Celtic not being happy with a neutral venue because it’s not the neutral venue in their home City is an absolutely ridiculous, baseless objection. Pandering to that should make everyone distinctly uncomfortable. 

 

Edited October 2, 2018 by Gershwin

[Cruyff Turn]

50 minutes ago, Dave_Mackay said:

Hearts v Celtic being drawn first, should be played at Hampden on Saturday the 27^th, and Rangers Aberdeen on Sunday 28^th at Hampden, so it’s the Saturday game which has caused the problem, and has to be moved, not Rangers v Aberdeen who are at Hampden on the day they should, having been drawn as the 2^nd game. Therefore Hearts are having to play on Sunday to accommodate Celtic, and as Hampden is not available, they have to play elsewhere, (Murrayfield) why should the other teams have a draw to see where they should play. If Celtic don't agree, they should just play on the original dates.

 

Banging post.

 

[Mr Sifter]

1 minute ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Don’t give him ideas bud ?

 

 

?

 

Just caught up with the thread now mate. Turns out that post was just the first of a few beamers it seems ?? 

 

No even worth biting. Absolutely at it ?

[luckyBatistuta]

3 minutes ago, Mr Sifter said:

 

Just caught up with the thread now mate. Turns out that post was just the first of a few beamers it seems ?? 

 

No even worth biting. Absolutely at it ?

 

Good post from Dave_Mackay just above.

[Riccarton3]

5 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

None of this is normal.

 

This is completely new situation for everyone........the SPFL have made a real arse of this and they’re now having to find a solution that will keep all clubs as complaint free as possible.

 

 

No, it's been normalised. The original plan was garbage. Everyone and their granny has acknowledged that. The Europa league adventure proceeds without interference. Two venues are decided on. The SPFL decides who plays where as they do every year.

[luckydug]

36 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

So....

If the SPFL tell us we’re going to Hampden you won’t have any complaints ?

Not if that was the correct decision based on the facts. Which it clearly wouldn't be for obvious reasons.

Plenty of complaints if it was because Celtic didn't fancy travelling.

The fact is they are just pissed off because they are having to travel and their scummy neighbours are not.

[gorgie rd eh11]

5 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

None of this is normal.

 

This is completely new situation for everyone........the SPFL have made a real arse of this and they’re now having to find a solution that will keep all clubs as complaint free as possible.

 

 

 

 

You’are right this is not normal , not bending over backwards to suit either of the old firm is uncharted waters. That’s why we’re in this f*****g mess.

 

 Celtic must be totally confused at the thought of common sense coming before what’s best for them.

[DH1986]

11 minutes ago, S Form said:

Fair enough, but from a practical point of view it would seem best to have only two sets of fans travelling a long distance (Celtic and Aberdeen) than three (us, Rangers and Aberdeen).

 

This is the only decent reason anyone has given for the games to be played at the venue we want. But given that thousands of Celtic and Rangers supporters come from all over the country it probably doesn’t make a huge amount of difference logistically.

 

Lawell is only doing for his club what many on here demanded on Thursday and that was for our club to find a better option for us. Celtic will want to play at Murrayfield about as much as we wanted to play at Hampden so of course they’re going to chance their arm.

 

[Sraman]

1 hour ago, Dave_Mackay said:

Hearts v Celtic being drawn first, should be played at Hampden on Saturday the 27^th, and Rangers Aberdeen on Sunday 28^th at Hampden, so it’s the Saturday game which has caused the problem, and has to be moved, not Rangers v Aberdeen who are at Hampden on the day they should, having been drawn as the 2^nd game. Therefore Hearts are having to play on Sunday to accommodate Celtic, and as Hampden is not available, they have to play elsewhere, (Murrayfield) why should the other teams have a draw to see where they should play. If Celtic don't agree, they should just play on the original dates.

 

 

 

Very much this. Draw has taken place. Shut yer torn face Lawell.

[DH1986]

10 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said:

No, it's been normalised. The original plan was garbage. Everyone and their granny has acknowledged that. The Europa league adventure proceeds without interference. Two venues are decided on. The SPFL decides who plays where as they do every year.

 

And if they so happen to decide we’re heading to Hampden we’ll just have to accept it I suppose.

[trotter]

32 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

Em....

 

To decide which tie is played where.

 

Or

 

The SPFL could simply insist because we were drawn first we will play at Hampden and the second tie should be moved.

Just wait until the SPFL move our game to Hampden on the saturday (like it should have been originally). Then just listen for them to start moaning, "but rangurz get an extra day off from uroop nat naw. That's no fair. Proddy conspiracy".

[DH1986]

Just now, trotter said:

Just wait until the SPFL move our game to Hampden on the saturday (like it should have been originally). Then just listen for them to start moaning, "but rangurz get an extra day off from uroop nat naw. That's no fair. Proddy conspiracy".

 

12:30pm on Saturday would have been an ideal draw for us given they play in Germany on the Thursday night.

[trotter]

1 minute ago, DH1986 said:

 

12:30pm on Saturday would have been an ideal draw for us given they play in Germany on the Thursday night.

Oh, I agree. My post was more along the lines if they don't want to come to Murrayfield, we play at Hampden on the Saturday like we should've done. Then they can have a good moan at the 'unfair' treatment because the other one gets something they don't.

 

It's pathetic. No actually, it's Celtic.

[Riccarton3]

4 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

This is the only decent reason anyone has given for the games to be played at the venue we want. But given that thousands of Celtic and Rangers supporters come from all over the country it probably doesn’t make a huge amount of difference logistically.

 

Lawell is only doing for his club what many on here demanded on Thursday and that was for our club to find a better option for us. Celtic will want to play at Murrayfield about as much as we wanted to play at Hampden so of course they’re going to chance their arm.

 

Is the Murrayfield tie likely to be a 7.45 k.o and follow Rangers at the same venue? Because that's the only way Lawell could match the original issues for Hearts as a club and a support.

[Kiwidoug]

Every Scotland based Hearts supporter has my deepest sympathies.  I can't remember anyone ever getting me as wound up as this maniac Doncaster and I'm on the other side of the world.

 

What's it like knowing you could bump into him at the shops?  I'd be scared to go out in case that did happen and I couldn't contain myself.

 

Imagine serving 10 years because of Doncaster.

 

All he had to do is say we've sorted it all out and here is the revised draw.

 

Is there a 5 year old who doesn't understand that?