iantjambo Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 If any manager is successful at Hearts a they will bolt to a bigger club What do we want - mediocrity so they stay for years? Never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I agree Equally that's just one player. He might not have spoken to Djoum because he hasn't tried a leg for 9 months True as well. Just a very poor piece of recruitment by someone who should really know better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Bacon Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Alex Ferguson was sacked by St Mirren. And he was on a shoogly peg at Man U. After signing in 1986 it wasn't until the cup run in 1990 that things settles down for him. There was a story that Wallace Mercer had an agreement to take him to Hearts, should he have got sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageThief Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 McClaren favourite on BetVictor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jailer Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Mcclaren not had any contact from us according to Keith Downie on twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Keith Downie?Verified account @SkySports_Keith 4m4 minutes ago More Steve McClaren hasn't had any official contact from Hearts but understand he's keen to get back in the game, whether coaching or managing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinho Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 If any manager is successful at Hearts a they will bolt to a bigger club What do we want - mediocrity so they stay for years? Fair point, Jammy. I was just suggesting he might stay for a season or less if a "suitable" club want him. Whoever our next manager is, if he is reasonably successful and we are moving forward, I would prefer he was one who would "see the job done". ie stay 2 0r 3 years and get us to / win a cup final or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Keith Downie?Verified account @SkySports_Keith 4m4 minutes ago More Steve McClaren hasn't had any official contact from Hearts but understand he's keen to get back in the game, whether coaching or managing. No official contact. So informal discussions may have been held then?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringonthesevco Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Correct. But we'll still have some of our support wanting the likes of Hartley and Freedman.... can't believe you're lumping Hartley and Freedman together, I'm a massive fan of SPH but Freedman would be a great appointment, he has signed multiple young players for small fees, developed them and sold them for a fortune ... He'd be a great shout for us, But I'd take McClaren before him as would any sane person ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Alex Ferguson was sacked by St Mirren. Allegedly over expenses not footballing issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Cathro left without speaking to the players? If true what a dick. They hadn't a clue what he was talking about anyway. The Stanley Unwin of football management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 No official contact. So informal discussions may have been held then?! Interesting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 It's hard to argue with a guy who won the eredivisie ahead of Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV with a club who'd never won it before and hasn't been close since. That guy's going to have some contact book too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 can't believe you're lumping Hartley and Freedman together, I'm a massive fan of SPH but Freedman would be a great appointment, he has signed multiple young players for small fees, developed them and sold them for a fortune ... He'd be a great shout for us, But I'd take McClaren before him as would any sane person ... Not followed Freedman's career, can you expand your multiple youth players comment, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Parmesan Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Not followed Freedman's career, can you expand your multiple youth players comment, please. Credited with bringing on folk like Zaha, Nathaniel Clyne and Oli Burke, who all got sold for millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Not for being unsuccessful, though. Lead them to the Division 1 title in 1977. Iirc, his departure had something to do with falling out with the board/owner. Indeed. Gross Misconduct from memory. He took it to an employment tribunal and lost. Ironically, one of the issues was his insistence to provide tax-free perks to players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Alex Ferguson was sacked by St Mirren. He was sacked but for breach of contract as he already agreed to go to Aberdeen and sounded his staff to go there. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/may/31/manchesterunited.stmirren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Keith Downie?Verified account @SkySports_Keith 4m4 minutes agoMore Steve McClaren hasn't had any official contact from Hearts but understand he's keen to get back in the game, whether coaching or managing. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1385938/hearts-steve-mcclaren-ian-cathro-tynecastle/ Just saw this link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 No official contact. So informal discussions may have been held then?!What does that word 'official' actually mean though ? Either we've been in contact or we haven't been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringonthesevco Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Credited with bringing on folk like Zaha, Nathaniel Clyne and Oli Burke, who all got sold for millions. And Bolassie signed for ?300k, ended up at Everton for ?28m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Didn't ferguson leave st. Mirren over an expenses scandal or something. Wasn't football related I believe. I think mclaren would be an excellent appointment. I just can't see it though. Though would be ideal. Appointment him, he wins the league in his first season. ****s off to England and we get O'Neil as reaplacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I can't believe McClaren is only 56. He looks older than Ann Budge...no offence Ann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 What does that word 'official' actually mean though ? Either we've been in contact or we haven't been. Could mean a lot of things, for example maybe Hearts have asked an agent to speak to his agent to see if he'd actually be interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1385938/hearts-steve-mcclaren-ian-cathro-tynecastle/ Just saw this link! Just read that. It SENSATIONALLY, in a SHOCK MOVE, ends up saying not very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Could mean a lot of things, for example maybe Hearts have asked an agent to speak to his agent to see if he'd actually be interested So McClaren has answered the question 'Have Hearts been in contact' with the answer 'Not officially' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Keith Downie?Verified account @SkySports_Keith 4m4 minutes ago More Steve McClaren hasn't had any official contact from Hearts but understand he's keen to get back in the game, whether coaching or managing. Official the key word there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almair Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 They hadn't a clue what he was talking about anyway. The Stanley Unwin of football management. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I doubt the Sun would know anything if Levein has a direct line to Schteve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Talking with someone out a job doesn't have to be official, maybe just at the texting stage just now anyway, with a couple of smileys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Why would we need to make official contact? He's not employed by another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Talking with someone out a job doesn't have to be official, maybe just at the texting stage just now anyway Before a Flix and chill with Ann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 So McClaren has answered the question 'Have Hearts been in contact' with the answer 'Not officially' ? This is based on a third party tweet, I've no idea what was asked or answered, or by whom. Just giving an example of what "not officially" could mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarvie Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Steve McClaren would be an excellent appointment. I would take him or Dougie Freedman, tomorrow. There would be absolutely no need for a doF with either appointment so hopefully a Levein leave is on the horizon. Anne Budge surely wouldn't turn down such a big manager interested in our club (in it's current state especially). Have the fear that it's going to be Ravanelli though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Jarman Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 The 'Edinburgh accent' joke on social media is almost as overused as Cathro's laptop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Steve McClaren would be an excellent appointment. I would take him or Dougie Freedman, tomorrow. There would be absolutely no need for a doF with either appointment so hopefully a Levein leave is on the horizon. Anne Budge surely wouldn't turn down such a big manager interested in our club (in it's current state especially). Have the fear that it's going to be Ravanelli though. Other than the fact he's applied, that feels like a bit of an irrational fear. I'd be surprised if we even had talks with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboCampbell Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Levein to talk with McClaren so not sure what that means for what Levein would actually do then? According to talksport and the 'sun' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I doubt the Sun would know anything if Levein has a direct line to Schteve. Tbf to the sun they are usually spot on about us. Kenny Millar has a good scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 This would be a great appointment Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Not for me. I don't think he's suited to a club like ourselves. We've got poorer players than he's ever worked with. His successes as manager came off the back of having a great spine in his teams. Massively experienced Goalkeeper and defence, usually with two very good Defensive midfield players in front of them. Probably suited to an Italian club where they have mountains of good Defensive players to pick from. Of course, it would be rude not to interview him if he has applied given his C.V. so I hope that this is merely just us going through the motions. Dougie Freedman is a much more sensible & suitable candidate for us. "Derby's first match following McClaren's appointment was at home to Ipswich Town, though academy manager Darren Wassall took charge of the team. With Derby trailing 4?1 at half time, McClaren entered the home dressing room to give a "rousing" speech to inspire a Derby fight back for a 4?4 draw." Get him signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1984 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 He had plenty of expensive, high-profile players at Boro - the likes of Viduka, Juninho, Hasselbaink, Yakubu, Zenden, Mendietta, Ehiogu and Southgate. I'll always be grateful to him for winning our first (only) trophy, but an occasional League Cup should be the minimum requirement with players of that calibre. The League form was patchy, and we flirted with relegation in the season we got to the UEFA final. The 2 UEFA runs were great, and we took some great scalps and had some incredible away trips. But we were lucky in both the QF and SF because we looked dead and buried in both games until Massimo Maccarone put in a couple of twice-in-a-lifetime supersub performances. Don't get me wrong, he would be an amazing appointment for Hearts. But there are reasons that many Boro fans didn't take to him, despite unprecedented success. Right enough, it's been an unprecedented success since he left right enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 He would do a job up here, anyone who doesn't think he would is deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 He was sacked but for breach of contract as he already agreed to go to Aberdeen and sounded his staff to go there. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/may/31/manchesterunited.stmirren I can also vaguely recall he told the wife of the chairman (St Mirren) to FO and mind yer own business when she apparently got involved in a heated discussion between Fergie and the said chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 If true, is that's poor?FTFY Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macros Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Steve, Craig and Ann to sit down and have a wee smoke and a pancake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Folk not wanting Steve McClaren as manager must be absolutely delusional about the respective size of Heart of Midlothian. We're talking about a guy successful enough to be appointed as the England manager. Mind boggling stuff again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 We've been rubbish, but then we're The Boro, so that's what we always go back to being. All I'm pointing out is that, despite SMC bringing unprecedented success to the club, he was given plenty of cash to do it with and his flaws were still apparent. Just as an aside, last season you had Victor Valdes but released him. Is he still up to the job or has age caught up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 He would do a job up here, anyone who doesn't think he would is deluded To me that says more about the standard of Scottish football than the managerial pedigree of McClaren No decent sized English club would consider him after his dismal record at Newcastle and Derby He's a waffling fecker as well - Every interview he gave when his teams suffered another defeat was along the lines of " we regroup and we go again " Other phrases he uses are " we need strong characters in the dressing room " and after his teams lose late leads " we've got to be smarter than that " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 can't believe you're lumping Hartley and Freedman together, I'm a massive fan of SPH but Freedman would be a great appointment, he has signed multiple young players for small fees, developed them and sold them for a fortune ... He'd be a great shout for us, But I'd take McClaren before him as would any sane person ... Then I am officially insane (relieved to have it confirmed actually!). I really don't want McLaren, I am English and he was a disaster for us, I know a number of Derby fans and they tell me he is great for a short term bounce but then he cannot sustain it. That's not what we need. He did well in Holland I admit but even that faded quickly and he frankly embarrassed himself with some of the interviews and things. Middlesbrough he did okay but spent a fortune. I would rather have Freedman all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ1984 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Folk not wanting Steve McClaren as manager must be absolutely delusional about the respective size of Heart of Midlothian. We're talking about a guy successful enough to be appointed as the England manager. Mind boggling stuff again! Spot on. Rangers have unknown Portugese dude, Aberdeen and Hibs have managers who failed down south and people on here would turn down the former England Manager with massive, massive experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 To me that says more about the standard of Scottish football than the managerial pedigree of McClaren No decent sized English club would consider him after his dismal record at Newcastle and Derby He's a waffling fecker as well - Every interview he gave when his teams suffered another defeat was along the lines of " we regroup and we go again " Other phrases he uses are " we need strong characters in the dressing room " and after his teams lose late leads " we've got to be smarter than that " Not sure there is anything wrong with they comments...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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