The neverending saga of Jamie Walker / no deal, he stays at Hearts (updated)

[Turkishcap]

According to the current bun he is signing for them in January. Yep covered already, I just can't get a scoop!

[Deevers]

If O'Hallaran keeps banging then in through to Jan I'd take a swap deal for him and Walker. Unless Jamie does the unthinkable and start playing like we know he can!

 

If he keeps banging them in he'll be back to Ibrox in January and they'll forget all about Walker. Nap.

[stuart500]

According to the current bun he is signing for them in January.

This was only to be expected. Hearts being made to look petulant fools for not accepting a pittance.

 

It's going to be a long season for Jamie Walker. No way can we ever play him again. Let him rot.

[amadjambo]

Do you think it was fair that he was booed off the park by Hearts fans on Saturday? Granted I only get to a couple of games a year, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

I was at the game and I was confused as to what the booing was for. It certainly wasn't clear to me if the fans were booing Jamie or booing the decision to sub him off considering he'd just created our 2 best chances of the 2nd half.

 

Only those who booed will know the answer. It certainly was not clear at the time.

[Bauld]

If Jamie has gone to Levein and done what needs to be done then he should probably play.

 

"Look gaffer, I did want the move, the whole thing caused a big distraction, it did effect my performances but rangers didn't offer what the club wanted and that's fair enough. It's done now, the window is closed and I'm ready to kick on and whatever happens happens. Sorry for the problems I caused but my heads clear and I want to play."

 

As far as I'm aware he never handed in a transfer request. He waited for Rangers to offer hearts the amount the club wanted and they failed to do that. If I was Walker I'd feel my club had every right to expect similar money to what they paid for Dorrans or some Mexican misfit.

 

Anyway something like that and he proves himself to be focused against Aberdeen we may as well take advantage of his ability until at least January.

[kila]

He verbally agreed to sign a new contract and I then suspect his agent went to Rangers, which turned his head and caused the issues. Add to that that we were a complete shambles on the pitch, with overpaid mercenaries not trying a leg and with Cathro seemingly untouchable and I think Jamie got extremely fed up with the situation.

 

Thanks for the other comments, of course I am a Hearts fan.

 

Both sides at fault is where I'm at too

 

But with Walker being left out to dry by Rangers and Hearts changing management structure, maybe both sides can meet in the middle and move forward

 

If he's going to put in the effort during training, then a few good performances (particularly when we meet Rangers at Murrayfield) will help us all move forward. Otherwise, he can rot in the U20s.

[Rudolf's Mate]

If he keeps banging them in he'll be back to Ibrox in January and they'll forget all about Walker. Nap.

Win win

[i wish jj was my dad]

I thought we wanted to present ourselves as a family club, and one which specialises in supporting and developing young players. Issuing that statement went against that principle, imo, and wasnt required at the time.

 

I dont really see the need for your dig at me about Ann: I praise and criticise her when I think it is due. But thats for a different thread, I think.

We are a family club and we do look after our own - see the offer Jamie was made.  We were prepared to look after CP, let Holty go for buttons when we could have demanded a full development fee and have allowed plenty to go for free rather than insist on a fee if they wanted game time.  What we aren't and can't be is a team who bends over to pressure from bad guys and all of those included in my earlier post fall into that category to different degrees.  The only innocents in this are Hearts.  Just because we won't let lies stand uncorrected doesn't put us in the wrong.

 

My point about your (unwarranted IMO) criticism of the club in dealing with bigots and trouble makers was that you are showing a lack of consistency (maybe hypocrisy).  You don't like the club becoming all cuddly and family friendly but you're outraged that we've shown our teeth with Jamie and his posse.  

[Taffin]

If we look at it from Walkers perspective I can understand how this has happened and I don't think he is fully to blame.

 

Young lad, young girlfriend and a young son. He gets offered a good contract with Hearts and he says "Yeah, I'll take it".

 

His agent then comes along, (a man he will trust to do right by him and who he will have a good relationship with) and tells him that he could sign for Rangers and double his wages, provide a better life for his family, remain in his home country (which from what I've heard his girlfriend is insisting on) and play football in a league he knows he can stand out in.

 

Music to his ears. Rangers tick every box on the list and they want him.

 

So, he goes back on his verbal agreement to sign a Hearts contract (probably because his agent told him it would drive the price up and could halt a deal) and he says "I don't want it, I'm going to get a better one". Rangers then start to put in bids for him that are nowhere near what Hearts want and so they are rejected. This would be a bit of a gut punch and so his performances drop, his attitude changes and he's just waiting for Rangers to offer up the money and get the deal done like his agent has told him they would.

 

While this is all going on in the background Hearts fans are giving him abuse all over social media. His family are piping up as well adding fuel to the fire and giving people a reason to turn on him even though he still to this day has not uttered a single word on record about the entire fiasco.

 

The worst thing Walker has done is allow his head to be turned and allow his form to drop, which is unprofessional and disrespectful to his employer. Lack of professionalism and respect from a 24 year old in the workplace. Stop the fecking presses!

 

He has also liked certain things on social media of the blue persuasion and whilst that again is disrespectful to Hearts at the same time he likely believed the deal would go through and so from his own personal point of view he needs the fans of his new team on his side and to like him and if that upsets fans of his current team (us) then so be it, he'll have thought he could have been away and it wouldn't have mattered in the long run.

 

That's how I view it in my head and I slightly feel for him, slightly want his career to fall down the toilet for the way he's acted towards our club but when it comes down to it I can't fault a guy trying to do what he thinks is right for him and his family, even if he has gone about it in completely the wrong manner.

 

It's a difficult one but let's be honest this is football. Score some goals, play well and all will be forgiven.

In reading that it sounds entirely as though he is to blame.

 

Understandable from his perspective and not morally wrong but still his own doing and fault he is now in this situation.

[sadj]

He just copied Jeff Stelling (shout a lot, be unrealistically overenthusiastic about everything ) - and he's shagging Kirsty Gallagher (that lassie has poor judgement) . I turn the volume down or switch channels when he's on. He's fekin unbearable.

Nooo nooo nooo surely hes not shagging the Gallagher [emoji50]

 

 

 

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[stevie.nolan.5]

They tried with crappy bids and got nowhere, he's still a Hearts player, and I'll support him until whatever happens, as long as he is putting his heart in to his performances. CL won't take for him giving any less.

 

 

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[alicante jambo]

Tell you what though its nice to be able to tell them to ram their pishy offers up their rings.Those days are gone sevco.UP YEES

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

I used the term "committed Hearts fan" as two people have questioned whether I am. Well, one openly stated that I wasnt!

Ah right, FWIW I don't doubt you're a Hearts fan.

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

This was only to be expected. Hearts being made to look petulant fools for not accepting a pittance.

 

It's going to be a long season for Jamie Walker. No way can we ever play him again. Let him rot.

We need a settled team and playing him until January then disrupting the team again is a non starter for me. No way should we play him in the interim. 

[hueyview]

Almost mistook this thread for the Rangers epic......

[Bowmans_Boot]

We are a family club and we do look after our own - see the offer Jamie was made.  We were prepared to look after CP, let Holty go for buttons when we could have demanded a full development fee and have allowed plenty to go for free rather than insist on a fee if they wanted game time.  What we aren't and can't be is a team who bends over to pressure from bad guys and all of those included in my earlier post fall into that category to different degrees.  The only innocents in this are Hearts.  Just because we won't let lies stand uncorrected doesn't put us in the wrong.

 

My point about your (unwarranted IMO) criticism of the club in dealing with bigots and trouble makers was that you are showing a lack of consistency (maybe hypocrisy).  You don't like the club becoming all cuddly and family friendly but you're outraged that we've shown our teeth with Jamie and his posse.  

 

Your first paragraph I agree with: we made Jamie the offer we could. I simply felt that the club statement slating him was uncalled for, was not needed and added to the issue. I doubt Jamie was impressed with it and, added to the other factors, would have made negotiations a lot harder. 

 

Regarding my criticism of the club: yes, I feel we were (extremely) heavy handed with the young team (who, in football fan terms, did nothing much at all), we criticised our support for calling Mixu a fat Hibee ******* (when he said he wasn't bothered), we blamed our fans for having to have police in the stadium again (when the reality was that the major issue had been with a DU fan) and so on. I will criticise the club when I think it is appropriate and do not see myself as being hypocritical at all here. 

 

Once again, I will say: I thought the clubs statement was wrong but 99% of the blame lies with Rangers/Jamies agent. 

[davie1980]

It isn't his fault that his agent turned his head with illusions of big money.

Isn't it?

 

It's not his fault if his agent brought this to his attention.

 

But it is entirely an individuals own responsibility how they react to any situation. If Walkers reaction to this was to 'have his head turned' then that is no ones fault but Jamie's I'm afraid.

 

I'm not saying the temptation wouldn't be there for anyone faced with the possibility of earning significantly more money.

But your reactions and responses are within you control. He responded in the wrong manner.

[Ray Gin]

Offer him a year extension with a reasonably generous release fee. Say ?750k.

 

Sign it and play or don't sign it and don't play. Why should we waste our time with a half-hearted player who is happy to see the club that developed him not get a penny in return? Better investing our time developing a new young player.

 

Sign on and if any decent club does come in with a fair offer he is free to move on and everyone is happy.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Offer him a year extension with a reasonably generous release fee. Say ?750k.

 

Sign it and play or don't sign it and don't play. Why should we waste our time with a half-hearted player who is happy to see the club that developed him not get a penny in return? Better investing our time developing a new young player.

 

Sign on and if any decent club does come in with a fair offer he is free to move on and everyone is happy.

 

I disagree. Get him fit, motivated and focussed and get the best out of him. If he signs a pre-contract in January for whichever club, so be it, but get the best out of him this season: on form he is quite superb. 

 

Blame Bosman for pre-contracts, players we have developed moving on for nothing etc, don't blame Jamie. It is worth noting that we never complain when we benefit from this by signing other players. 

[Dr Lager]

Offer him a year extension with a reasonably generous release fee. Say ?750k.

 

Sign it and play or don't sign it and don't play. Why should we waste our time with a half-hearted player who is happy to see the club that developed him not get a penny in return? Better investing our time developing a new young player.

 

Sign on and if any decent club does come in with a fair offer he is free to move on and everyone is happy.

Good thinking. Sensible solution. Frankly he has been a dick throughout but if he's willing to work hard then let's get on with it.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Good thinking. Sensible solution. Frankly he has been a dick throughout but if he's willing to work hard then let's get on with it.

 

He has been a "dick" throughout by saying nothing? 

[tartofmidlothian]

They don't do Walker away

[Deevers]

It's now a case if what happens next from both sides. I would hope that Jamie would sit down and enter into meaningful discussion with the club on the way forward.

[Rudy T]

He has been a "dick" throughout by saying nothing?

Actions speak louder than words.

 

To prove he's not a disrespectful dick, he should sack that arsehole agent, get one with his interests at heart, sign a deal with a buy out clause and try like **** to win games for Heart of Midlothian.

 

If he continues to act like a spoilt little laddie and keeps liking Rangers posts he can go train on his own while the rest of the squad get on with winning games for Heart of Midlothian!

[The Mighty Thor]

See this whole it's not his fault stuff that's now being bandied about....What a load of pish.

It's symptomatic of youngsters nowadays where they take zero responsibility for their own decisions and actions and everything is always someone else's fault.

Who hired the agent? Walker

Who reneged on a verbal deal? Walker

Who downed tools? Walker

Who acted like a dick? Walker

But, but it's no his fault likesy.... **** off

 

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[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

See this whole it's not his fault stuff that's now being bandied about....What a load of pish.

It's symptomatic of youngsters nowadays where they take zero responsibility for their own decisions and actions and everything is always someone else's fault.

Who hired the agent? Walker

Who reneged on a verbal deal? Walker

Who downed tools? Walker

Who acted like a dick? Walker

But, but it's no his fault likesy.... **** off

 

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Spot on.

 

Those trying to play down his Rangers love-in on social media must be related to him.

 

They lose all credibility when they try to palm it off as nothing. Fact.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Spot on.

 

Those trying to play down his Rangers love-in on social media must be related to him.

 

They lose all credibility when they try to palm it off as nothing. Fact.

Personally, I think people who over analyse "likes" on Instragram and use those as their main argument are distinctly lacking in credibility.

 

Take a look at his Instagram account: full of Hearts stuff, including his kid wearing Hearts strips etc.

 

It is quite pathetic and sad to get all worked up over a few likes.

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

Personally, I think people who over analyse "likes" on Instragram and use those as their main argument are distinctly lacking in credibility.

 

Take a look at his Instagram account: full of Hearts stuff, including his kid wearing Hearts strips etc.

 

It is quite pathetic and sad to get all worked up over a few likes.

Zero Hearts 'fans' whether a player or not should like Rangers content anywhere, let alone social media.

 

What supposed Hearts fan likes Rangers' signings?

 

I mean I could slightly understand you, but Walker! No chance. The only reason he has to like things like that is if He's a Rangers fan, or trying to get a move.

 

He's from a Hearts mad family ffs!

 

PS: Why do I have to be worked up? I'm perfectly calm. Same thing is always said when someone is against something, it's redundant.

[Rudy T]

Personally, I think people who over analyse "likes" on Instragram and use those as their main argument are distinctly lacking in credibility.

 

Take a look at his Instagram account: full of Hearts stuff, including his kid wearing Hearts strips etc.

 

It is quite pathetic and sad to get all worked up over a few likes.

But why like Rangers posts when he knows what's going on. Let's not pretend he's that stupid.

[Bowmans_Boot]

But why like Rangers posts when he knows what's going on. Let's not pretend he's that stupid.

If that is the worst he has done then lets face it, it isnt that bad.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Zero Hearts 'fans' whether a player or not should like Rangers content anywhere, let alone social media.

 

What supposed Hearts fan likes Rangers' signings?

 

I mean I could slightly understand you, but Walker! No chance. The only reason he has to like things like that is if He's a Rangers fan, or trying to get a move.

 

He's from a Hearts mad family ffs!

 

PS: Why do I have to be worked up? I'm perfectly calm. Same thing is always said when someone is against something, it's redundant.

Footballers "like" loads of posts, by loads of different players/clubs. As he is good mates with Jason Holt then he could have liked it from that viewpoint.

 

I actually wasnt referring to you specifically about getting worked up, many, many people on here have previously.

 

He is from a Hearts mad family and they have had pretty obscene things said about them, which is awful. Including on here, incidentally.

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

Footballers "like" loads of posts, by loads of different players/clubs. As he is good mates with Jason Holt then he could have liked it from that viewpoint.

 

I actually wasnt referring to you specifically about getting worked up, many, many people on here have previously.

 

He is from a Hearts mad family and they have had pretty obscene things said about them, which is awful. Including on here, incidentally.

Yeah I agree with you on most points especially about people having a go at his family. Posting pictures on here ect. Vile.

 

However I will never agree with you about how he has conducted himself and who is ultimately to blame for this, and that is Walker.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Yeah I agree with you on most points especially about people having a go at his family. Posting pictures on here ect. Vile.

 

However I will never agree with you about how he has conducted himself and who is ultimately to blame for this, and that is Walker.

I accept that not many on here agree with me on this subject but respect your (wrong) opinion. Agree to disagree ?

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

I accept that not many on here agree with me on this subject but respect your (wrong) opinion. Agree to disagree ?

I suppose we'll have to. (But you're still wrong.)

[deko 94]

See this whole it's not his fault stuff that's now being bandied about....What a load of pish.

It's symptomatic of youngsters nowadays where they take zero responsibility for their own decisions and actions and everything is always someone else's fault.

Who hired the agent? Walker

Who reneged on a verbal deal? Walker

Who downed tools? Walker

Who acted like a dick? Walker

But, but it's no his fault likesy.... **** off

 

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excellent post. it's been there for everyone to see since halfway through last season. He hasn't given a **** about playing for us. He has a contract with us and is doing his best not to honour it. Another case of a player thinking he is bigger than the club.

[buzzbomb1958]

He's been shit for months should let him clean the showers and the boots till January little weasel,hope he never pulls a first team jersey on again I'm done with him

[colinmaroon]

excellent post. it's been there for everyone to see since halfway through last season. He hasn't given a **** about playing for us. He has a contract with us and is doing his best not to honour it. Another case of a player thinking he is bigger than the club.

 

 

Your comments tend to suggest that he can "think."

 

He hasn't "thinked" it through very well, has he?

 

When someone doesn't "think" very well, he's at the mercy of his advisers.

 

They'll get their fee and that's all they're "thinking" about.

[jambovambo]

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[crusty1984]

Do you think it was fair that he was booed off the park by Hearts fans on Saturday? Granted I only get to a couple of games a year, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

His effort in first half was appalling. First motherwell goal he did his usual and strolled back from attack which forced lafferty to fill in for him, albeit badly second goal was pathetic. He tried a bit harder second half but that wasn't doffcut. I didn't boo cos I was near his family bit otherwise I would have happily joined in.

[crusty1984]

Do you think it was fair that he was booed off the park by Hearts fans on Saturday? Granted I only get to a couple of games a year, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

His effort in first half was appalling. First motherwell goal he did his usual and strolled back from attack which forced lafferty to fill in for him, albeit badly second goal was pathetic. He tried a bit harder second half but that wasn't doffcut. I didn't boo cos I was near his family bit otherwise I would have happily joined in.

[NANOJAMBO]

It isn't his fault that his agent turned his head with illusions of big money. It isn't his fault that the deal fell through and he's left looking a knob and it isn't his fault that his dad and sister had a go on social media.

 

I'm not saying he blameless and IMO he should have remained professional however life isn't black and white and I can see how a young guy, offered everything he could ever want, could end up taking the hump when it doesn't happen. His opinion may well have been that because Hearts weren't accepting a lesser bid from Rangers they were holding him back and so his attitude towards us has changed. All conjecture and whataboutery on my part but we have a tendency to forget that footballs are only human and in a lot of cases they are very young lads who haven't actually experienced life the same way the rest of us have and so can't draw on these experiences to make informed decisions. They rely on agents and clubs to steer them right, which in Walkers case I feel he's been let down.

 

Feel like I'm defending him to the hilt when my opinion is actually that he's been an idiot and as I've said above I'm not sure I ever want to see him in a Hearts jersey ever again for the way he's gone about this and the way he's treated the club who made him who he is. HOWEVER, regardless of those feelings I can still understand, whilst not agree, with his decisions and I can understand, whilst not agree with, how he came to make those decisions.

 

 

Not sure this is an honest question as I'm sure we've all seen his dad and his sisters remarks on social media.  I'm not going to go back and find it all but if you actually haven't seen it then it'll be back in the thread somewhere.

This is black and white. Allegedly he reneged on an agreement , was "misled by his agent" , sent in various pics of himself with a Rangers connection, downed tools  ......and then he got shafted. 

 

I'm gutted for all the fans that have watched his piss poor attitude and performances over such a long period.

 

For the last time , JW is not the victim. He chose the path to go down and he has been fecked over. 

 

I really cannot understand why anyone is defending him in all of this. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

This is black and white. Allegedly he reneged on an agreement , was "misled by his agent" , sent in various pics of himself with a Rangers connection, downed tools ......and then he got shafted.

 

I'm gutted for all the fans that have watched his piss poor attitude and performances over such a long period.

 

For the last time , JW is not the victim. He chose the path to go down and he has been fecked over.

 

I really cannot understand why anyone is defending him in all of this.

I don't think he needs attacked or defended, he just needs to suffer the consequences.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

I accept that not many on here agree with me on this subject but respect your (wrong) opinion. Agree to disagree ?

I'm far less bothered by the social media stuff than him playing miles below his capacity since the season began. He's been completely absent even in the games when the squad sheet said he was on the pitch.

[davie1980]

If that is the worst he has done then lets face it, it isnt that bad.

 

I suspect not trying a leg on the field because you've spat the dummy and had your head turned possibly ranks higher than liking stuff in facebook

Going back on your word that you'll sign a new contract

whoring yourself out for a move to another club, one of your current employers main competitors

 

No the facebook likes are not the worst he's done

[DETTY29]

Like Andy Webster, who got way worse abuse as I remember it, Jamie will be supported if he proves he's committed to playing for us this season at least.

 

Webster came back and was supported from the start more or less. Apart from one guy I remember in the Gorgie Stand who spent an entire match shouting abuse at him after he returned.

 

If Jamie can score one of his 20 yard rakers early on he'll be fine.

Webster never gave anything less than 100% whenever playing for us, despite the off field stuff.

 

Wasn't he dropped for a couple of games, came back in for the semi final against Hibs as if nothing had happened.

 

And while there was little wrong with his defending, Webster would get dogs when he first started if his once a game 'worldy' would go out the park.

 

I have sympathy for Jamie because he just doesn't have that get up and go demeanour of say Callum Paterson, who we all knew he wasn't signing again, but you damn well knew he was giving everything.

 

On top of that Jamie isn't a great conversationist, so trying to put him in front of a camera, if asked the question about what happened and putting over he's committed to give everything, will come across as being very uncomfortable.

 

I'm not sure Jamie is mentally strong enough to turn this round with better performances especially as his chat with Hearts re looking at the contract situation again was far from amicable.

[Romanov Stole My Pension]

Ignoring all the instagram stuff for a minute, his attitude on the playoff side has obviously been piss poor (in training and certainly on the pitch).

 

That a player under contract can decide to switch off to try to force a move is shocking, and shows a complete lack of respect to the club and fans. This is why I currently don't like him.

 

Jamie Walker isn't a very clever man, but he must realise he has been given poor advice which has damaged his career. At best he'll be at Rangers in January, but likely at the end of this season. Effectively he'll have wasted a season of his short career when he should have been trying his best in order to get the best contract offer (from Rangers or elsewhere).

 

I think everyone is losing out in the current scenario.

[A_A wehatethehibs]

Jamie Walker needs to chuck his iPhone in the Forth and fish it out in January. He needs to get his head down because he's scarcely kicked a ball in 2017.

 

If he doesn't start playing well he'll be looking at contact offers from Kilmarnock & Partick, not Rangers & Hearts.

 

All down to Jamie now. On 2017 form I would not be offering him another new deal, nor would I be selecting him to play.

[Sidelight]

Ignoring all the instagram stuff for a minute, his attitude on the playoff side has obviously been piss poor (in training and certainly on the pitch).

 

That a player under contract can decide to switch off to try to force a move is shocking, and shows a complete lack of respect to the club and fans. This is why I currently don't like him.

 

Jamie Walker isn't a very clever man, but he must realise he has been given poor advice which has damaged his career. At best he'll be at Rangers in January, but likely at the end of this season. Effectively he'll have wasted a season of his short career when he should have been trying his best in order to get the best contract offer (from Rangers or elsewhere).

 

I think everyone is losing out in the current scenario.

Commenting on an individuals intellectual abilities in such a way makes me feel uncomfortable.

Jamie like many is still a young man with much learning and life experience to gain.

I have encountered many students over the years who are not fluent communicators and seem to be a bit silly, but successfully navigate the undergraduate and even post grad years. 

Detty29Callsit.

[scott herbertson]

Webster never gave anything less than 100% whenever playing for us, despite the off field stuff.

 

Wasn't he dropped for a couple of games, came back in for the semi final against Hibs as if nothing had happened.

 

And while there was little wrong with his defending, Webster would get dogs when he first started if his once a game 'worldy' would go out the park.

 

I have sympathy for Jamie because he just doesn't have that get up and go demeanour of say Callum Paterson, who we all knew he wasn't signing again, but you damn well knew he was giving everything.

 

On top of that Jamie isn't a great conversationist, so trying to put him in front of a camera, if asked the question about what happened and putting over he's committed to give everything, will come across as being very uncomfortable.

 

I'm not sure Jamie is mentally strong enough to turn this round with better performances especially as his chat with Hearts re looking at the contract situation again was far from amicable.

Excellent post Detty

 

I wasn't aware of the last paragraph but I'm assuming you know this from a trustworthy source

 

Such a shame as his play was one if the few things to look forward to in recent years

[scott herbertson]

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