The neverending saga of Jamie Walker / no deal, he stays at Hearts (updated)

[Bull's-eye]

Not sure we can afford a luxury player with the Heart of a field mouse in the team at the moment anyway.

 

Light duties washing the kit, making the tea, washing up the Breakfast plates, that sort of thing.

 

Maybe in a few months give him a ball to boot around with on his own in the afternoons to keep his fitness levels up so he's raring to go next season at Ibrox.

[Jeff]

Sit him down. Tell him to focus on his football and he could find himself at bigger club then rangers.

 

He's not interested in that. He wants the easy life

 

He'd be at Betis now if that wasn't the case

[Mikey1874]

Sign a new deal or play with the 20's. His attitude has been shocking.

Why risk disrupting the U20s

 

They aren't a dustbin

[Francis Albert]

Agree with the first sentence.

While every player would obviously want to earn more, I doubt they all want to do that at ibroke if they are serious about having a career as a professional footballer

Yes, given offers of roughly equivalent terms they'd be wise to go elsewhere. I meant if that was the proposition made to them. There didn't seem to be may other clubs desperate to sign Jamie, though I have not been following the saga closely.

[Russ1977]

It will be a combined effort of Jamie and the management team.

I'm pretty certain the management team will have spent the last 6 months trying their best to get a fit and focused Walker on the pitch. I'm afraid it's up to him to get his finger out and show a bit of pride in his own performance and earn his wage.

[Francis Albert]

Not sure we can afford a luxury player with the Heart of a field mouse in the team at the moment anyway.

 

Light duties washing the kit, making the tea, washing up the Breakfast plates, that sort of thing.

 

Maybe in a few months give him a ball to boot around with on his own in the afternoons to keep his fitness levels up so he's raring to go next season at Ibrox.

Of course if he plays in training with the "heart of a mouse" he shouldn't be in the first team squad. No-one is suggesting he should.

[doctor jambo]

I thought we wanted to present ourselves as a family club, and one which specialises in supporting and developing young players. Issuing that statement went against that principle, imo, and wasnt required at the time.

 

I dont really see the need for your dig at me about Ann: I praise and criticise her when I think it is due. But thats for a different thread, I think.

As a club that aims to develop youth through to the first team do you think its OK for the club to be given the reputation for low-balling its home grown players and dishing out insulting contracts

 

OR

 

Stating that it offered to make one of its "own" products the highest paid player on the books.

 

Simple question

Think the latter is more likely to encourage players to come to us young..

 

We also agreed to sell JW if the sashes met the (very reasonable) asking price- we didn't hold them back.

 

Everthing we did was consistant with the develop, play,reward, then sell policy.

If a club had met the valuation , he would be gone.

The leaks form the JW camp- "wont play outside Scotland" " insulting contract offer"

were all designed to engineer a cut price move to one club

Costing HMFC money we need, driving down the transfer price

[Francis Albert]

I'm pretty certain the management team will have spent the last 6 months trying their best to get a fit and focused Walker on the pitch. I'm afraid it's up to him to get his finger out and show a bit of pride in his own performance and earn his wage.

Jamie was not the only player not to respond to Cathro's "fitness" regime or motivational powers,

[Bowmans_Boot]

I'm pretty certain the management team will have spent the last 6 months trying their best to get a fit and focused Walker on the pitch. I'm afraid it's up to him to get his finger out and show a bit of pride in his own performance and earn his wage.

Didnt JD just say that the entire team isnt at the fitness levels required, and that it was Cathros fault? (He did, btw.)

[Bowmans_Boot]

As a club that aims to develop youth through to the first team do you think its OK for the club to be given the reputation for low-balling its home grown players and dishing out insulting contracts

 

OR

 

Stating that it offered to make one of its "own" products the highest paid player on the books.

 

Simple question

Think the latter is more likely to encourage players to come to us young..

 

We also agreed to sell JW if the sashes met the (very reasonable) asking price- we didn't hold them back.

 

Everthing we did was consistant with the develop, play,reward, then sell policy.

If a club had met the valuation , he would be gone.

The leaks form the JW camp- "wont play outside Scotland" " insulting contract offer"

were all designed to engineer a cut price move to one club

Costing HMFC money we need, driving down the transfer price

My opinion, and I wont change it, is that the statement was a mistake and made a difficult situation worse.

 

BUT, 99% of the blame for this lies with Rangers and Jamies agent, not with Hearts or Jamie.

[sairyinthat]

Absolute pish

Nothing special get over him,he's got over you.

[reaths17]

His family attacked HMFC in a very public way to make out he was being mistreated.

Transpired that this was not true.

Fans got upset at this

Since then the behaviour of agent, and effort of player have been really rubbish

Fans got upset at this too

You wonder where the dad got his info from that he was raging about- you know - the contract stuff and pay offer.

Could only really be from Jamie.

Jamie now needs to fix this sharpish

Another couple of sluggish half assed performances and I'd bin him

He can either be a man about it- tell his family to shut it, and get on with his JOB

Or I'd send him to the wilderness for the rest of the season

our whole team has been sluggish and half assed for over a year now, 2 good performances against sevco and the rest has been mediocre to rubbish this cant all be down to Jamie walker.

 

I don't know any of his family or his agent or the in's and out's of his contract, Jamie supposedly said he would sign a new contract then didn't is the rumour I've heard.

 

I can find nothing factual about this desire to play for sevco and **** hearts.

 

"he went to a rangers game with a mate" thi is the only fact i knows. I went to pat stantons testimonial "there I've said it" hibs v celtic celebrating a hibs legend...............................................so what ! i'll be playing for neither them or supporting them.

 

 

eamon bannon played for celtic that game being a good catholic and all that, imagine the treatment he would get in this enlightened internet era strung up and house burned to the ground

[McCrae]

I don't think Walker has been the player he was since he had his surgery.  He hasn't progressed any further and has probably gone down hill.  Think he won't be difficult to replace and if SEVCO are looking at him as being a regular starter we have nothing to fear from that team.

[Deevers]

They had to defend the professionalism of the club.Lies were being spread about the club, and a decision was taken to set the record straightNot sure that releasing the truth to the fans was such a bad thingOtherwise folks would have been under the impression that we were mistreating a fans favouriteWhich it transpires was not the caseQuite the opposite in factThe reputation of HMFC was being impugned.They let fans know the facts- that is all they didIf that made JW and co look like bandits, then that was not the fault of the clubThe reputation of the club helps attract playersdefending HMFC against pretty public attacks is importantIf any player allows lies to be spread about their employer, they should, rightly, face consequences- as they would in any walk of life.

 

Spot on. The club were 100% correct in releasing the statement. This is a funny old place. There are some who try to put the boot in for the club no matter what. I wonder why.

[Marczero]

My opinion, and I wont change it, is that the statement was a mistake and made a difficult situation worse.

 

BUT, 99% of the blame for this lies with Rangers and Jamies agent, not with Hearts or Jamie.

Spot on

[42 not 2]

Cathro no more. If he plays then work his contract. If he won't, train alone. Don't take chance of poisoning others. See how 8mths out helps his knees.

[doctor jambo]

our whole team has been sluggish and half assed for over a year now, 2 good performances against sevco and the rest has been mediocre to rubbish this cant all be down to Jamie walker.

 

I don't know any of his family or his agent or the in's and out's of his contract, Jamie supposedly said he would sign a new contract then didn't is the rumour I've heard.

 

I can find nothing factual about this desire to play for sevco and **** hearts.

 

"he went to a rangers game with a mate" thi is the only fact i knows. I went to pat stantons testimonial "there I've said it" hibs v celtic celebrating a hibs legend...............................................so what ! i'll be playing for neither them or supporting them.

 

 

eamon bannon played for celtic that game being a good catholic and all that, imagine the treatment he would get in this enlightened internet era strung up and house burned to the ground

I don't think so.

Many players have turned out for Hibs, Celtic and so on- no problem.

I have more respect for Craig Gordon in his Celtic shirt at present than I do for Walker in his Hearts one

[Elshin]

He could ask Allan Johnson as well. He might find himself competing with expensive signings at Ibrox in front of fans who still see themselves as ra peeple, warming the bench before being dumped into the lower leagues in England.

Or he could extend his contract at Hearts, the club who stood by him through extended injury and developed him into the player he is now.

 

He might also look at the experiences of David Templeton and Ryan McGowan. One took the bait and is more or less out of the game now as far as I can see, the other is still plying his trade round the world for good money for good money.

Some good examples. Christ even danny wilson and jason holt looks like he will be on the way out. Rangers have struggled to sign and develop players for a number of years now, lee wallace being one of the few that have went and still look a good player.

 

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[Russ1977]

Didnt JD just say that the entire team isnt at the fitness levels required, and that it was Cathros fault? (He did, btw.)

Walker had a brilliant game against Rangers in feb and that was under Cathro's training regime. It's no coincidence that around that time he knocked back a contract with us and his performances nosedived. His head has been turned by Rangers interest and he has stopped doing what brought him to their attention. Only person to blame for that at is Walker himself. He has spent the last 6 months shortchanging the club and the fans.

[robroy1874]

Largely due to his own poor attitude looks like Walker will not make it to the top. Pity since he clearly had talent

[AngleParkMenace]

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[Pilmuir]

As a club that aims to develop youth through to the first team do you think its OK for the club to be given the reputation for low-balling its home grown players and dishing out insulting contracts

 

OR

 

Stating that it offered to make one of its "own" products the highest paid player on the books.

 

Simple question

Think the latter is more likely to encourage players to come to us young..

 

We also agreed to sell JW if the sashes met the (very reasonable) asking price- we didn't hold them back.

 

Everthing we did was consistant with the develop, play,reward, then sell policy.

If a club had met the valuation , he would be gone.

The leaks form the JW camp- "wont play outside Scotland" " insulting contract offer"

were all designed to engineer a cut price move to one club

Costing HMFC money we need, driving down the transfer price

 

Quite right. HMFC has been messed about big time. Glad we took a stand and refused to be bullied by Sevco and JWs agent.

 

A few more FoH contributors would help to fill the gap.

 

There is a problem to be solved in terms of what to do with JW now.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Walker had a brilliant game against Rangers in feb and that was under Cathro's training regime. It's no coincidence that around that time he knocked back a contract with us and his performances nosedived. His head has been turned by Rangers interest and he has stopped doing what brought him to their attention. Only person to blame for that at is Walker himself. He has spent the last 6 months shortchanging the club and the fans.

So Jamies fitness levels not being 100% is totally Jamies fault, the rest of the squads fitness levels not being 100% is totally Cathros fault (as per JD)? Brilliant.

[Taffin]

My opinion, and I wont change it, is that the statement was a mistake and made a difficult situation worse.

 

BUT, 99% of the blame for this lies with Rangers and Jamies agent, not with Hearts or Jamie.

Rangers recruitment, his agent and Hearts PR did their jobs.

 

Jamie hasn't. He's in the wrong here.

 

Morally, maybe not, as he like the rest acted in their own self interests.

[doctor jambo]

So Jamies fitness levels not being 100% is totally Jamies fault, the rest of the squads fitness levels not being 100% is totally Cathros fault (as per JD)? Brilliant.

JD deflecting blame off the players

If any player is unfit it is their own fault

they are supposed to be professional atheletes

[Russ1977]

So Jamies fitness levels not being 100% is totally Jamies fault, the rest of the squads fitness levels not being 100% is totally Cathros fault (as per JD)? Brilliant.

Your refusal to acknowledge any fault on Walkers part is ridiculous. So his fitness levels where good enough for a man of the match performance against Rangers in February a full 3 months after Cathro had been in charge.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Rangers recruitment, his agent and Hearts PR did their jobs.

 

Jamie hasn't. He's in the wrong here.

 

Morally, maybe not, as he like the rest acted in their own self interests.

Rangers didnt do their job at all: they broke the rules and tapped up a player.

 

His agent didnt do his job: he has not acted in Jamies best interests at all.

 

How people can single out Jamie for blame and not Rangers or his agent is totally beyond me.

[William H. Bonney]

I'd like Craig levein to sit down with Jamie and offer him an ultimatum. Fire your agent and commit yourself to hearts or you'll be playing with the youth team.

 

If he says no then Jamie and his agent should be made aware they are no longer welcome at tynecastle.

[Russ1977]

Rangers didnt do their job at all: they broke the rules and tapped up a player.

 

His agent didnt do his job: he has not acted in Jamies best interests at all.

 

How people can single out Jamie for blame and not Rangers or his agent is totally beyond me.

I agree about Rangers and his agent but Walker also has his own mind and should direct his agent not the other way round.

[Escobar PHM]

I'd like Craig levein to sit down with Jamie and offer him an ultimatum. Fire your agent and commit yourself to hearts or you'll be playing with the youth team.

 

If he says no then Jamie and his agent should be made aware they are no longer welcome at tynecastle.

Tell me something. You don't work in human resources or anything that involves any degree of man management do you ?

[U.S Maroon]

The idea that Walker is not to blame for this is ludicrous. If he was not happy with his agent he could get rid of him. If he thinks Sevco are just messing him about tell them where to go. I genuinely think the guy and his family are not very intelligent and loved the idea of him being bigger than Hearts and all the media attention made them feel important. Fact is he is an average player who can turn it on at times but not often enough. When the going gets tough he has the heart of a mouse. Should never play for Hearts again but if he does and he doesnt perform he will take so much abuse that Levein will be unable to play him again.

[Mellor]

Mind when people were saying walker held all the aces?

How's that working out for you now ya wee hun rat?

 

GIRFUY

 

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I guess if he's been prepared to bide his time contributing very little for a few months now, he'll be OK waiting it out for another couple of months before leaving in January.

[William H. Bonney]

Rangers didnt do their job at all: they broke the rules and tapped up a player.

 

His agent didnt do his job: he has not acted in Jamies best interests at all.

 

How people can single out Jamie for blame and not Rangers or his agent is totally beyond me.

Jamie has to take some responsibility for appearing to be gullible and naive.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Jamie has to take some responsibility for appearing to be gullible and naive.

Yeah, I said it was 99% Rangers/his agents fault.

[William H. Bonney]

Tell me something. You don't work in human resources or anything that involves any degree of man management do you ?

Ok. A tad overly dramatic I conceed.

[Deevers]

I guess if he's been prepared to bide his time contributing very little for a few months now, he'll be OK waiting it out for another couple of months before leaving in January.

 

 

We would still have to be prepared to let him go then. The club could be really bloody minded and keep him till his contract expires.

 

That would be an awful long time for him twiddling his thumbs on the sidelines. Craig Levein does not tolerate fools gladly and I'm sure that anyone thinking that they are just going to free wheel along might find themselves just there.

[William H. Bonney]

Yeah, I said it was 99% Rangers/his agents fault.

More like 50/50. He's obviously had a lot of unwelcome advice this year but he should have been intelligent enough to know it was bad advice.

[Diadora Van Basten]

Well done Hearts.

Glad we took a stand against that filth and didn't bend over. For a 4 year old club they had some arrogance likes. Taking were the old dead club left off . A few interesting songs ahead for the murrayfield game

Following on from Dave Kings comments when Scott Allan joined Celtic.

 

Rangers will be pleased as they have weakened the opposition without paying out any money.

 

The losers in this saga are Hearts and Jamie Walker.

[Deevers]

I'd like Craig levein to sit down with Jamie and offer him an ultimatum. Fire your agent and commit yourself to hearts or you'll be playing with the youth team.

If he says no then Jamie and his agent should be made aware they are no longer welcome at tynecastle.

 

Sounds awful like constructive dismissal. I think the players union would be all over this like a rash. Better him training with the u/20s and getting little or no game time.

[naeclue]

Rangers didnt do their job at all: they broke the rules and tapped up a player.

 

His agent didnt do his job: he has not acted in Jamies best interests at all.

 

How people can single out Jamie for blame and not Rangers or his agent is totally beyond me.

 

It's been a bit of a clusterf?&^ all in all.

 

What happens next is an interesting question.  Any thoughts on what happens next?

[Bowmans_Boot]

Following on from Dave Kings comments when Scott Allan joined Celtic.

 

Rangers will be pleased as they have weakened the opposition without paying out any money.

 

The losers in this saga are Hearts and Jamie Walker.

I agree with this. Rangers have acted atrociously here, but thats what they do: if they want a player then they arrogantly expect the other club to sell at the price THEY dictate. The media didnt help, either, and I was very disappointed with Colin Camerons comments.

[Spencer]

CL won't have any qualms about leaving him out. None whatsoever

 

If Pedro gets emptied before Christmas - entirely possible, then the Rangers interest could very well dissipate

 

If JW has turned down an offer comparable to the best earners again Hearts in order to pursue a move to a particular club, he's played a very dangerous game by putting his eggs in one basket.

 

I actually think there is as much chance of a reconciliation as there is a move to Rangers now.

[Bowmans_Boot]

It's been a bit of a clusterf?&^ all in all.

 

What happens next is an interesting question. Any thoughts on what happens next?

I hope we can get him fit, focussed and contributing positively to the team, week in, week out. He is crucial to our season being a success, be that league position or a cup. If Jamie is to leave at the end of the season then I would love Jamie to leave a SC winner.

[naeclue]

I hope we can get him fit, focussed and contributing positively to the team, week in, week out. He is crucial to our season being a success, be that league position or a cup. If Jamie is to leave at the end of the season then I would love Jamie to leave a SC winner.

 

Do you think Jamie is amenable to that? Genuine question..

[Escobar PHM]

We would still have to be prepared to let him go then. The club could be really bloody minded and keep him till his contract expires.

 

That would be an awful long time for him twiddling his thumbs on the sidelines. Craig Levein does not tolerate fools gladly and I'm sure that anyone thinking that they are just going to free wheel along might find themselves just there.

Jamie Walker isn't the only one who's going to be having a heart to heart with Levein in the next week or so. Djoum, Lafferty and Isma also and that's just for starters.

 

For Walker I'd be firm but fair. Tell him he is just the same as any other contracted player now. If he wants to really buckle down and work hard he'll be considered for the team. The slightest show of indignation, disruption or downing of tools from today onwards and he is banished from all first team activity until his contract expires. That's in no-ones best interests and I think Levein will get that across quite clearly.

 

Walker is a good player. At his very best he is very valuable on the pitch to us this season.We certainly don't want to be wasting a wage on a player by having him on some kind of punishment regime purely because he wants to go to another club next season.

[Bowmans_Boot]

Do you think Jamie is amenable to that? Genuine question..

Honestly, yes.

[kingantti1874]

Gutted he's still here.. This saga has shown him up to be a pathetic spineless loser with absolutely no. Ambition.

 

Sad the club have missed out on a fair fee and the opportunity to bring in a committed player.

 

However, glad the club have not been rolled over by those ****ers.. Rolling over would have set the wrong tone in any future transfer dealings.. This is the fee.. Pay it or **** off

[XB52]

Rangers are the most to blame, along with their media pals. Walker needs to share a lot of the blame too. Forget blaming his

Agent as he is employed by Walker. If Walker isn't happy with what he is doing he should fire him.

[luckydug]

I dont think the contract offer was as simple as that. Was the "highest paid player" part taking in to account the length of contract? Including bonuses? What stopped Jamie signing it?

 

The Instagram likes are used by others to kick him. Not by me.

 

Apart from Cowie, which player did you see putting in total 100% commitment? Jamie is a creative player and so when not playing well it can appear like he isnt trying, just as it does with all creative players.

 

A misunderstood genius ? ????

[William H. Bonney]

Gutted he's still here.. This saga has shown him up to be a pathetic spineless loser with absolutely no. Ambition.

 

Sad the club have missed out on a fair fee and the opportunity to bring in a committed player.

 

However, glad the club have not been rolled over by those ****ers.. Rolling over would have set the wrong tone in any future transfer dealings.. This is the fee.. Pay it or **** off

If he had any ambition he would have moved to spain.