Jump to content

Season ticket renewal thread ( merged )


bauld willie

Recommended Posts

Well done mate

One problem with selling the Rangers game for example now as on open sales that that seat then wouldn't be available as a season ticket so we might put off potential ST buyers if there are limited poor positioned seats available

Cat B would also have the chance to buy their seat if that was the case.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 3.3k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

The sensible thing to do is to give the uglies and Hibs the whole Roseburn , as much as it is a pain , for the first round of fixtures , then take stock after that .

Hopefully given time and progress we can cut them back to a smaller allocation.

Maximizing revenue streams is the order of the day at the moment , if we can sel out the Roseburn to away fans and it looks unlikely we can with home fans then , in the meantime, it's got to be done I'm afraid

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hackney Hearts

I see 18,000 averages at tynecastle and 16,500 plus at easter road....the largest Edinburgh turnouts since 1980s...

 

Don't think we came near 18,000 averages during the 80s - think you have to go back to 60/61 for anything over 17,000.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Lucille's Thirsty

You're deluded of you think hibs won't cut our allocation if we do the same, which we'll not anyway.

Agreed.

 

Vermin are spiteful inbreds.

 

Tit for tat with those mutants.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Footballfirst

Slow day today with only 6 STs sold.   2261 dots remaining. Estimated sales 13,261.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The sensible thing to do is to give the uglies and Hibs the whole Roseburn , as much as it is a pain , for the first round of fixtures , then take stock after that .

Hopefully given time and progress we can cut them back to a smaller allocation.

Maximizing revenue streams is the order of the day at the moment , if we can sel out the Roseburn to away fans and it looks unlikely we can with home fans then , in the meantime, it's got to be done I'm afraid

 

Would you change your opinion if the Dons match on September 9th sold out.

After all Aberdeen are only getting two sections.

The logic being if we can sell out or within a thousand or so to a non OF team who are only getting two sections why should we give the OF seats Hearts fans could use.

I think you have your thinking the wrong way round surely we should be using the actual attendances at the early season matches as the benchmark.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Would you change your opinion if the Dons match on September 9th sold out.

After all Aberdeen are only getting two sections.

The logic being if we can sell out or within a thousand or so to a non OF team who are only getting two sections why should we give the OF seats Hearts fans could use.

I think you have your thinking the wrong way round surely we should be using the actual attendances at the early season matches as the benchmark.

I don't know much about finances ,but I don't want them in Tynie.I don't mind normal supporters not he OF.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Would you change your opinion if the Dons match on September 9th sold out.

After all Aberdeen are only getting two sections.

The logic being if we can sell out or within a thousand or so to a non OF team who are only getting two sections why should we give the OF seats Hearts fans could use.

I think you have your thinking the wrong way round surely we should be using the actual attendances at the early season matches as the benchmark.

Don't think you can use the Aberdeen game as a true barometer as it's likely to be the first home league game and the opening of the new stand . A lot of people would be more likely to get tickets for that reason and a lot of people just don't like the poisonous atmosphere of the old firm games .

I certainly think we would sell out the derby .

That said if we start the league campaign well we may be able to sell out both old firm games ,

Although I hate the thought of the old firm

Getting the whole Roseburn, if Ann decides it's the best way to maximize revenue it's got to be done

Link to comment
Share on other sites

weekend offender

Don't think we came near 18,000 averages during the 80s - think you have to go back to 60/61 for anything over 17,000.

86 we would have averaged over 20.000 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How it looks tonight

 

 

286845_tynecastleseatingplan.jpg

 

 

Looking at this picture, if we give Old firm/hibs the whole Roseburn then there will be very few general sale tickets left which is not very fair I don't think. Surely for games against these teams we can sell 2-3000 tickets to non-season tickets holders, or however many would be available? I think we have to maximise our home advantage, especially given how intimidating Tynecastle will be with the new stand

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bazzas right boot

Aye, Celtic only beat us twice scoring 7 goals last season. Masterstroke.

You never know, might have been 17 if they had the full end.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't think we came near 18,000 averages during the 80s - think you have to go back to 60/61 for anything over 17,000.

If true my error... Memory plays tricks... Back in the day season tickets were not the norm...
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hackney Hearts

86 we would have averaged over 20.000 

 

85-86 we averaged 16,198

 

87-88 was 16,633

 

 - these were the highest figures of the 80s

 

64-65 we managed 16,682

Link to comment
Share on other sites

fireeagle51

Looking at this picture, if we give Old firm/hibs the whole Roseburn then there will be very few general sale tickets left which is not very fair I don't think. Surely for games against these teams we can sell 2-3000 tickets to non-season tickets holders, or however many would be available? I think we have to maximise our home advantage, especially given how intimidating Tynecastle will be with the new stand

Not trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it

 

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it

 

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

You answered your own question!!

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it

It will be a cauldron in the big games when we are playing well .

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hackney Hearts

Not trying to be annoying here but how the hell will the new stand make Tynecastle more intimidating. Yes it will look very enclosed and boxed in but that's about it

 

Think you just answered your own question there! All visiting teams/fans say Tynecastle is intimidating because of the steepness (and proximity) of the stands, the boxed in nature of the stadium. Now, instead of having that on 3 sides, we will have it on all 4 sides. With the biggest stand of all completing the effect.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

fireeagle51

Think you just answered your own question there! All visiting teams/fans say Tynecastle is intimidating because of the steepness (and proximity) of the stands, the boxed in nature of the stadium. Now, instead of having that on 3 sides, we will have it on all 4 sides. With the biggest stand of all completing the effect.

The steep and boxed in stands help when the crowd are up for it but a new stand is not going to change people's attitudes that don't sing. The small games will be just as quiet as last year

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hackney Hearts

The steep and boxed in stands help when the crowd are up for it but a new stand is not going to change people's attitudes that don't sing. The small games will be just as quiet as last year

 

That may be, but you were replying to a post about games against the OF and Hibs, when the crowd are definitely up for it (unless we're getting outplayed by Celtic, which can happen).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The steep and boxed in stands help when the crowd are up for it but a new stand is not going to change people's attitudes that don't sing. The small games will be just as quiet as last year

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Atmosphere is not necessarily about singing or banging drums at a game.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I didn't realise it was obligatory to read to the very end of a thread before being permitted to make a comment!

 

Why the **** would I have been expecting a different answer?

 

It would have been fairly obvious to most folk with even half a brain that the post I replied to was likely to be the most up to date one that I'd read at that point. If my reply happened to echo one that someone else had made before me, I'd like to think most people would just note that I'd shared the same viewpoint as someone else rather than respond with a prickish whinge about me saying the same as someone else.

It'd be a boring ****ing place if everyone repeated the same ****ing questions on every ****ing thread!

 

Is prickish even an adjective? Use words in their correct context...ya prick!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

fireeagle51

Atmosphere is not necessarily about singing or banging drums at a game.

I agree, cheering and roaring whenever there's a corner or something but singing is the main way of atmosphere inside any football ground

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You'll find that loads of players still admire the atmospheres we think are shit.

 

Even on a bad day at Tynie it's still one of, if not the best in Scotland.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

fireeagle51

You'll find that loads of players still admire the atmospheres we think are shit.

 

Even on a bad day at Tynie it's still one of, if not the best in Scotland.

Give an example please ??

 

 

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Give an example please ??

 

 

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

It's 00:55 in the morning. I'm not trawling the net for examples for you. I know myself that I've read comments like that on a few occasions.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

fireeagle51

It's 00:55 in the morning. I'm not trawling the net for examples for you. I know myself that I've read comments like that on a few occasions.

**** sleep, find an example now [emoji35][emoji35]

 

 

 

 

Just Kidding, night night my fellow jambo [emoji1145][emoji1145] FTH

 

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If true my error... Memory plays tricks... Back in the day season tickets were not the norm...

You're dead right matey but most of us stood on the terracing then. I now find it easier to "pre book" my place.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hearts Heritage

averagehome1_3661_image001.png

 

You can see the impact of all seating and the move to most fans having season tickets. The convergence of the min, max to the average.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hearts Heritage

Average Home Crowds by Highest

 

1948-49    28014    Division A
1949-50    27324    Division A
1953-54    26247    Division A
1951-52    25238    Division A
1957-58    24158    Division 1
1950-51    23917    Division A
1956-57    23882    Division 1
1947-48    23624    Division A
1955-56    23588    Division A
1954-55    23133    Division A
1959-60    23058    Division 1
1952-53    22377    Division A
1958-59    21470    Division 1
1960-61    20294    Division 1
1946-47    19309    Division A
2006-07    16889    SPL
1964-65    16785    Division 1
2005-06    16762    SPL
1987-88    16633    Premier
2015-16    16422    Premiership
2016-17    16325    Premiership
1985-86    16198    Premier
2014-15    15986    Championship
2007-08    15933    SPL
1989-90    15693    Premier
1988-89    15367    Premier
1997-98    15337    Premier
1986-87    14498    Premier
2009-10    14497    SPL
2008-09    14397    SPL
1999-00    14246    SPL
2010-11    14185    SPL
1998-99    14183    SPL
2013-14    14123    Premiership
1963-64    13834    Division 1
1961-62    13827    Division 1
2011-12    13381    SPL
1991-92    13317    Premier
1990-91    13231    Premier
2012-13    13163    SPL
1962-63    12778    Division 1
2000-01    12773    SPL
1975-76    12676    Premier
1969-70    12475    Division 1
1996-97    12349    Premier
2004-05    12272    SPL
1974-75    12224    Division 1
1965-66    12109    Division 1
2001-02    12080    SPL
1995-96    12077    Premier
2002-03    12036    SPL
2003-04    11961    SPL
1983-84    11914    Premier
1973-74    11732    Division 1
1976-77    11716    Premier
1970-71    11667    Division 1
1968-69    11546    Division 1
1984-85    11304    Premier
1967-68    11228    Division 1
1971-72    11196    Division 1
1993-94    11018    Premier
1978-79    10886    Premier
1972-73    10261    Division 1
1966-67    10241    Division 1
1994-95    10123    Premier
1977-78    9862    First Division
1992-93    9829    Premier
1980-81    7758    Premier
1982-83    5912    First Division
1979-80    5733    First Division
1981-82    5157    First Division

 

If we top 16889 highest since 1960-61

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hearts Heritage

Fluctuation between Highest and Lowest crowds

 

1951-52    40018    Division A
1946-47    39809    Division A
1954-55    39000    Division A
1956-57    38000    Division 1
1947-48    37353    Division A
1953-54    37000    Division A
1955-56    37000    Division A
1948-49    35028    Division A
1959-60    33000    Division 1
1972-73    31661    Division 1
1952-53    31258    Division A
1960-61    31000    Division 1
1949-50    30956    Division A
1964-65    30734    Division 1
1974-75    30115    Division 1
1967-68    29415    Division 1
1968-69    29221    Division 1
1966-67    28240    Division 1
1962-63    27692    Division 1
1950-51    27590    Division A
1970-71    27356    Division 1
1973-74    27308    Division 1
1957-58    26000    Division 1
1961-62    23548    Division 1
1963-64    23483    Division 1
1965-66    23402    Division 1
1958-59    23000    Division 1
1969-70    22806    Division 1
1986-87    22312    Premier
1971-72    22245    Division 1
1987-88    21685    Premier
1991-92    19046    Premier
1993-94    18608    Premier
1988-89    18032    Premier
1985-86    17988    Premier
1975-76    17965    Premier
1989-90    17902    Premier
1976-77    17854    Premier
1978-79    17410    Premier
1983-84    16927    Premier
1992-93    15771    Premier
1980-81    15303    Premier
1990-91    14946    Premier
1984-85    13242    Premier
1977-78    12663    First Division
1981-82    11977    First Division
1982-83    10563    First Division
2002-03    9258    SPL
1979-80    9083    First Division
2004-05    8489    SPL
2000-01    8424    SPL
2001-02    7447    SPL
1999-00    7356    SPL
2012-13    6982    SPL
2011-12    6683    SPL
2007-08    6619    SPL
2003-04    6586    SPL
1995-96    6583    Premier
1997-98    5290    Premier
1996-97    5250    Premier
1994-95    5238    Premier
2008-09    5214    SPL
2010-11    5147    SPL
1998-99    5105    SPL
2013-14    4923    Premiership
2009-10    4801    SPL
2014-15    2432    Championship
2015-16    1557    Premiership
2006-07    1457    SPL
2016-17    1333    Premiership
2005-06    1240    SPL

Link to comment
Share on other sites

86 we would have averaged over 20.000

Not even close unfortunately. We averaged just over 16,000 and that includes 6 games against OF and Hibs where they had 8,000-10,000 away fans.

 

I would hazard a guess that the Clydebank match (which could have been the match which won the league) was our only 20k+ purely home support in the league since the early 70s. We were still 7,000 short of capacity that day.

 

If we average 18k+ this season it will be our biggest average at Tynie in more than 50 years.

 

EDIT

 

Sorry - just read umpteen replied on same subject from fellow crowd nerds. I have a spreadsheet with every scottish teams' average crowds since about 1900.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

When the mad Russian arrived we had 20500 season ticked applications.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

fabienleclerq

I still think we should cut the OF allocation as much as possible, Hibs I'm not sure yet as it may affect us.

 

We'd sell decent walk ups for Cat A games and there's not much space left in the current stands. We came out with the grow our fan base chat lets back it up.

 

On a side note I was speaking to a Hearts and a hibs fan the other day, both of whom said they'd probably let their sons be dunfermline fans as they're now the local team! Not for me but hopefully with Edinburgh's population increasing we see the same, being the top team in the city could sway new fans for us.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It would be interesting to see figures without OF/Hibs matches.

Many of the crowds in the terracing days were swelled by huge away supports.

I would guess that current non OF/Hibs figures would be a match for most of the past years with the exception of the glory years.

In other words I think more HEARTS fans are attending matches at Tynecastle than for many years.

Fair to say Hibs can make similar claims based on recent figures.

Football's booming in Edinburgh imo.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So when Hibs restrict our allocation in return and hundreds, no maybe a couple of thousand Hearts fans don't get tickets your fine with that ?

Can you honestly see Petrie doing that?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Can you honestly see Petrie doing that?

Yes.........you and others are simply failing to recognise the pressure Hibs would be under to react from their own fans

 

A derby should have a large contingent of away fans

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Can you honestly see Petrie doing that?

 

 

He will be under so much pressure from the fans he will have to respond by cutting our allocation.

I'm still 100% into keeping the OF on their current allocation though. At least until we see the figures for the matches.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hearts Heritage

It would be interesting to see figures without OF/Hibs matches.

Many of the crowds in the terracing days were swelled by huge away supports.

I would guess that current non OF/Hibs figures would be a match for most of the past years with the exception of the glory years.

In other words I think more HEARTS fans are attending matches at Tynecastle than for many years.

Fair to say Hibs can make similar claims based on recent figures.

Football's booming in Edinburgh imo.

 

Difference in Average Crowds without OF/Hibs

Season    Diff

1946-47    3428

1947-48    4113

1948-49    3582

1949-50    3860

1950-51    1891

1951-52    4501

1952-53    2776

1953-54    5231

1954-55    3050

1955-56    3946

1956-57    2668

1957-58    1894

1958-59    2185

1959-60    2987

1960-61    2937

1961-62    2804

1962-63    1367

1963-64    2787

1964-65    3270

1965-66    3104

1966-67    3721

1967-68    3377

1968-69    4411

1969-70    3288

1970-71    3417

1971-72    2266

1972-73    3584

1973-74    3240

1974-75    3447

1975-76    3577

1976-77    2631

1977-78    0

1978-79    2854

1979-80    0

1980-81    2039

1981-82    0

1982-83    0

1983-84    2684

1984-85    3103

1985-86    3138

1986-87    3195

1987-88    4106

1988-89    4323

1989-90    4003

1990-91    2755

1991-92    3318

1992-93    2477

1993-94    2537

1994-95    806

1995-96    1212

1996-97    1099

1997-98    952

1998-99    671

1999-00    1442

2000-01    1523

2001-02    941

2002-03    1378

2003-04    858

2004-05    1638

2005-06    142

2006-07    26

2007-08    177

2008-09    547

2009-10    818

2010-11    779

2011-12    814

2012-13    552

2013-14    582

2014-15    321

2015-16    31

2016-17    92

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know its not an idea everyone could do but I would be more than willing to give the club a tenner a game extra against the 2 ugly sisters if it came with the guarentee of them only getting two sections and no more....

 

We could still sell our section of the Roseburn to boot to loyal supporters on that game by game basis...

 

We need to stand up and say no more and restrict how many of those halfwits get into our ground...

 

The momentum those clubs get when they have the whole stand is too much...

 

There must be ideas similar to the above to restrict their numbers...?

 

We need to really switch on and make Tynie as uncomfortable as poss for everyone and that includes the Glasgow pair...

 

The Hibs is slightly diff and an argument for another day but like I say, more than happy to cover some of the costs of a seat to restrict those cretins...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes.........you and others are simply failing to recognise the pressure Hibs would be under to react from their own fans

 

A derby should have a large contingent of away fans

So it's ok to deny more Hearts fans tickets for a home derby , so we can guarantee Hearts fans more tickets for an away derby , seems logical
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'd much rather thousands of Hearts fans got to see us at Tynie, lining Hearts pockets, than thousands of Hearts fans not getting to go to Easter Road, not lining their pockets.

Hibs don't have the fan base to fill half their stand so they would have a tough decision to make regarding income v appeasing their fans.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Mars plastic

So it's ok to deny more Hearts fans tickets for a home derby , so we can guarantee Hearts fans more tickets for an away derby , seems logical

Yes. Those who have paid for a season ticket and travel away deserve to be at Easter road more than those who only want to come to the big games at Tynie.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes. Those who have paid for a season ticket and travel away deserve to be at Easter road more than those who only want to come to the big games at Tynie.

That's not great business practice for a football club.

 

Unless of course people stop buying season tickets because they can't get to Easter Road.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

manaliveits105

Limit OF and hubz fans to 2 sections - do not give them any atmospheric advantages

 , Some things are more important than money ,

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well done mate

 

One problem with selling the Rangers game for example now as on open sales that that seat then wouldn't be available as a season ticket so we might put off potential ST buyers if there are limited poor positioned seats available

 

Yes, you're right, my response was more to do with people who don't buy season's tickets aren't necessarily fair weather supporters though.

 

The club could leave season ticket sales open in the other three stands but start selling for a couple of sections in the Roseburn for the first few Category A games.  They'd get a feel for the demand for tickets from our support.

 

I understand the financial benefits of giving the Roseburn to Rangers, Celtic and Hibs as they will most likely all fill it. Going back to the days of Old Firm fans filling one of our stands isn't appealing though.  They're not intimidating at all when they only have the two sections.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.




  • Popular Now

    • lou
      16
    • alicante jambo
      82
×
×
  • Create New...