More Tory lies

[ri Alban]

5 minutes ago, AuldReekie444 said:

 Lizard parties? Are you...do you...

Are you... You know... 

[Pans Jambo]

So, when is Scotland getting the £162 Million from Westmister that the EU dished out for the farmers of Scotland?

 

Where is it?

[AuldReekie444]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Are you... You know... 

 

No ri Alban, I am not a lizard.

[AuldReekie444]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

So, when is Scotland getting the £162 Million from Westmister that the EU dished out for the farmers of Scotland?

 

Where is it?

 

They spent it on mice, cos they are lizards. Was in The National.

[Pans Jambo]

& the £167million from the sale of Fort Kinnaird. 

 

When is Scotland getting that?

 

(£329million stolen in 1 week, how many doctors could that pay for?). 

[Victorian]

The stock defence of anything against the Tory Party by Tory Party apologists seems to be to flatly attribute the same criticism against the SNP.      Not bad in the absence of any other counter-argument.

[Pans Jambo]

1 minute ago, AuldReekie444 said:

 

They spent it on mice, cos they are lizards. Was in The National.

If you said rats I would buy that

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

So, when is Scotland getting the £162 Million from Westmister that the EU dished out for the farmers of Scotland?

 

Where is it?

One of the powers they're withholding anaw despite the kiddy on protests and promises of gove and tank boy. 

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, AuldReekie444 said:

 

No ri Alban, I am not a lizard.

No, I meant... 

[AuldReekie444]

2 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

No, I meant... 

 

David Icke? No, im not David Icke either.

I think there may be a David Icke fan on here you might ask if you were wondering that.

Edited July 2, 2018 by AuldReekie444

[ri Alban]

Just now, AuldReekie444 said:

 

David Icke? No, im not David Icke either.

No bad

[The Mighty Thor]

7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The stock defence of anything against the Tory Party by Tory Party apologists seems to be to flatly attribute the same criticism against the SNP.      Not bad in the absence of any other counter-argument.

Defending what is increasingly becoming the indefensible is no mean task. It's made even more difficult when it's defending on two fronts, one an increasingly unstable and self destructive Westminster government and the other a branch office run by a self-aggrandising, careerist of zero substance who stands for everything and nothing. 

 

It's much easier to lapse into the SNP bad whataboutery.

 

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Defending what is increasingly becoming the indefensible is no mean task. It's made even more difficult when it's defending on two fronts, one an increasingly unstable and self destructive Westminster government and the other a branch office run by a self-aggrandising, careerist of zero substance who stands for everything and nothing. 

 

It's much easier to lapse into the SNP bad whataboutery.

 

 

Indeed.    Remember the howls of protest against the minimal adjustments made in the Scottish tax rates & bands?     Higher taxes boooooooo hisssssssss.

 

What will Mooth be saying soon when the Tories are forced to abandon another core belief by raising taxes UK wide?        

[The Mighty Thor]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Indeed.    Remember the howls of protest against the minimal adjustments made in the Scottish tax rates & bands?     Higher taxes boooooooo hisssssssss.

 

What will Mooth be saying soon when the Tories are forced to abandon another core belief by raising taxes UK wide?        

It'll be the SNPs fault. We're subsidy junkies so taxes must rise.

 

I'm more interested in hearing from Ruthy about where the dirty cash came from and went to. She's conveniently quiet at the moment. 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

It'll be the SNPs fault. We're subsidy junkies so taxes must rise.

 

I'm more interested in hearing from Ruthy about where the dirty cash came from and went to. She's conveniently quiet at the moment. 

 

Maybe doing the day job with Boris taking selfies with elephants.     

[ri Alban]

9 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Maybe doing the day job with Boris taking selfies with elephants.     

 

11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

It'll be the SNPs fault. We're subsidy junkies so taxes must rise.

 

I'm more interested in hearing from Ruthy about where the dirty cash came from and went to. She's conveniently quiet at the moment. 

On maternity leave, ASAP. 

[Pans Jambo]

Interesting. 

Make the service worse, defund then watch it burn. Then say ’Lets privatise to improve the service’. Slow motion car crash. 

 

[AuldReekie444]

17 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Interesting. 

Make the service worse, defund then watch it burn. Then say ’Lets privatise to improve the service’. Slow motion car crash. 

 

 

is he, one of them lizards?

[maroonlegions]

They say a picture paints a 1000 words.

 

[Thunderstruck]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

& the £167million from the sale of Fort Kinnaird. 

 

When is Scotland getting that?

 

(£329million stolen in 1 week, how many doctors could that pay for?). 

 

Is this the Crown Estates Scotland nonsense again. 

 

As as you can see below Crown Estates Scotland is not what you think it is.

 

The recent change was just one of the changes brought about by the Smith Commission. 

[Pans Jambo]

6 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

Is this the Crown Estates Scotland nonsense again. 

 

As as you can see below Crown Estates Scotland is not what you think it is.

 

The recent change was just one of the changes brought about by the Smith Commission. 

Yeah but the sale of the Fort somehow bypassed all of that though. 

[AuldReekie444]

8 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Yeah but the sale of the Fort somehow bypassed all of that though. 

 

No shops at Fort Kinnaird sell mice.

[Pans Jambo]

7 minutes ago, AuldReekie444 said:

 

No shops at Fort Kinnaird sell mice.

Well Pets at Home sell both Rats and Lizards. 

 

And for the tory supporters:

 

[AuldReekie444]

Just now, Pans Jambo said:

Well Pets at Home sell both Rats and Lizards. 

 

And for the tory supporters:

 

look a squirrel

[Thunderstruck]

11 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Yeah but the sale of the Fort somehow bypassed all of that though. 

 

It was explained when Crown Estates Scotland was established that the Ft Kinnaird interest was via an Investment Company and that it wasn’t able to be transferred. It shouldn’t really have come as a surprise worthy of outrage when that interest was sold more recently. 

 

But then “aggrieved by everything, ashamed of nothing”’ has a wider application than the self-styled “Greatest Fans in the World”. 

[Pans Jambo]

1 minute ago, AuldReekie444 said:

look a squirrel

Vermin eh? What can you do!

[AuldReekie444]

Just now, Pans Jambo said:

Vermin eh? What can you do!

 

#wwdid

[Pans Jambo]

1 minute ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

It was explained when Crown Estates Scotland was established that the Ft Kinnaird interest was via an Investment Company and that it wasn’t able to be transferred. It shouldn’t really have come as a surprise worthy of outrage when that interest was sold more recently. 

 

But then “aggrieved by everything, ashamed of nothing”’ has a wider application than the self-styled “Greatest Fans in the World”. 

Was the investment company the Crown Treasury?

[Thunderstruck]

5 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Was the investment company the Crown Treasury?

 

No, it was the Gibraltar English Limited Partnership. 

 

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Thunderstruck said:

 

No, it was the Gibraltar English Limited Partnership. 

 

Sounds legit. 

[jack D and coke]

Can someone explain how basically queen owns the seabed? Genuine question. 

[Doogz]

47 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Can someone explain how basically queen owns the seabed? Genuine question. 

 

She doesn't really - it's owned and managed by The Crown Estate (& Crown Estate Scotland).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_the_British_royal_family#Crown_Estate

 

The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United Kingdom, producing £211 million for the Treasury in the financial year 2007–8.[7] and with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011.[43] The Crown Estate is not the private property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold or owned by the Sovereign in a private capacity,[44] nor do any revenues, or debts, from the estate accrue to her. Instead the Crown Estate is owned by the Crown, a corporation representing the legal embodiment of the State. It is held in trust and governed by Act of Parliament, to which it makes an annual report.[43] Revenue from the Crown Estate is thought to be due to double in real terms between 2010 and 2020 with additional lease revenues deriving from the development of offshore wind farms within Britain's Renewable Energy Zone, the rights of which were granted to the Crown Estate by the Energy Act 2004.

 

[jack D and coke]

13 minutes ago, Doogz said:

 

She doesn't really - it's owned and managed by The Crown Estate (& Crown Estate Scotland).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_the_British_royal_family#Crown_Estate

 

The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United Kingdom, producing £211 million for the Treasury in the financial year 2007–8.[7] and with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011.[43] The Crown Estate is not the private property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold or owned by the Sovereign in a private capacity,[44] nor do any revenues, or debts, from the estate accrue to her. Instead the Crown Estate is owned by the Crown, a corporation representing the legal embodiment of the State. It is held in trust and governed by Act of Parliament, to which it makes an annual report.[43] Revenue from the Crown Estate is thought to be due to double in real terms between 2010 and 2020 with additional lease revenues deriving from the development of offshore wind farms within Britain's Renewable Energy Zone, the rights of which were granted to the Crown Estate by the Energy Act 2004.

 

Can’t even develop you’re natural resources without paying money to the royal family ffs that’s incredible. 

Cheers for that though  

[Doogz]

5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Can’t even develop you’re natural resources without paying money to the royal family ffs that’s incredible. 

Cheers for that though  

Nae bother - but to your 2nd point....

 

The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United Kingdom, producing £211 million for the Treasury in the financial year 2007–8.[7] and with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011.[43] The Crown Estate is not the private property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold or owned by the Sovereign in a private capacity,[44] nor do any revenues, or debts, from the estate accrue to her. Instead the Crown Estate is owned by the Crown, a corporation representing the legal embodiment of the State. It is held in trust and governed by Act of Parliament, to which it makes an annual report.[43] Revenue from the Crown Estate is thought to be due to double in real terms between 2010 and 2020 with additional lease revenues deriving from the development of offshore wind farms within Britain's Renewable Energy Zone, the rights of which were granted to the Crown Estate by the Energy Act 2004.

[jack D and coke]

8 minutes ago, Doogz said:

Nae bother - but to your 2nd point....

 

The Crown Estate is one of the largest property owners in the United Kingdom, producing £211 million for the Treasury in the financial year 2007–8.[7] and with holdings of £7.3 billion in 2011.[43] The Crown Estate is not the private property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold or owned by the Sovereign in a private capacity,[44] nor do any revenues, or debts, from the estate accrue to her. Instead the Crown Estate is owned by the Crown, a corporation representing the legal embodiment of the State. It is held in trust and governed by Act of Parliament, to which it makes an annual report.[43] Revenue from the Crown Estate is thought to be due to double in real terms between 2010 and 2020 with additional lease revenues deriving from the development of offshore wind farms within Britain's Renewable Energy Zone, the rights of which were granted to the Crown Estate by the Energy Act 2004.

Yeah I read that bit. 

Develop your countries natural resources to keep the ****ing royal family in their palaces  

Britain is utterly sick. 

[Doogz]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

Yeah I read that bit. 

Develop your countries natural resources to keep the ****ing royal family in their palaces  

Britain is utterly sick. 

I'll try again ....

"All revenue ‘profit’ from Crown Estate Scotland goes to the Scottish Consolidated Fund and it is the responsibility of Scottish Ministers to decide how this is used. "

[jack D and coke]

25 minutes ago, Doogz said:

I'll try again ....

"All revenue ‘profit’ from Crown Estate Scotland goes to the Scottish Consolidated Fund and it is the responsibility of Scottish Ministers to decide how this is used. "

I understand, I think. It still goes to pay for her keep or their keep. Is that not right?

[Doogz]

49 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I understand, I think. It still goes to pay for her keep or their keep. Is that not right?

 

This article probably explains it better than I can:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-scotland-giving-queen-pay-cut

[Hasselhoff]

16 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Indeed.    Remember the howls of protest against the minimal adjustments made in the Scottish tax rates & bands?     Higher taxes boooooooo hisssssssss.

 

What will Mooth be saying soon when the Tories are forced to abandon another core belief by raising taxes UK wide?        

 

The howls of protest were against making Scotland the highest taxed part of the UK. No objection at all to tax rises across the whole of the UK to pay for the NHS

 

 

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, Hasselhoff said:

 

The howls of protest were against making Scotland the highest taxed part of the UK. No objection at all to tax rises across the whole of the UK to pay for the NHS

 

 

 

That's the nub of the matter.     Disproportionate protests against the SNP daring to very slightly adjust the balance of the tax burden in Scotland.     Ignoring the fact that Scotland needs as many tax pounds as possible to fund all of the vital public services that Mooth and the rest complain about so much and so often.      Why?     Because it's their duty to complain against the well off having to pay a small amount more.     As ever the Tories speaking up only for their own.

 

Everyone knows how taxes will rise nationwide.     The general basic rate will rise and/or allowances frozen.     There will be no adjustment towards the better off and if the poor cannot afford bread,   let them eat from food banks.   

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, Hasselhoff said:

 

The howls of protest were against making Scotland the highest taxed part of the UK. No objection at all to tax rises across the whole of the UK to pay for the NHS

 

 

It was embarrassing. Earned less than £33k you paid less and over that it was literally nothing more than a couple of quid a week. 

They made it sound like you’d be thousands worse off when you look at stuff like your council tax over the years, no water meters etc etc you were actually much better off. 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

10 hours ago, Hasselhoff said:

 

The howls of protest were against making Scotland the highest taxed part of the UK. No objection at all to tax rises across the whole of the UK to pay for the NHS

 

 

 

We are lower taxed if you earn under £33k, so that statement is wrong. 

[Bazzas right boot]

The tories voted against the NHS on its foundation. 

 

A few weeks ago they stopped the up skirting law to pass. 

 

They want to leave the EU, just before the new tax laws take force. 

 

They want to withdraw from the bill of human rights. 

 

They are not good at the core in any way. 

 

In England, they cheered after greenfell when the pay increases for civil servants including fire fighters were voted down. 

 

In the last 8 years-

Less hospitals, nurses, schools, social housing, social care, police, fire fighters and defence personal. The NHS is getting sold off, the brexit situation is a shambles, the champion austerity and yet the national debt has tripled under their watch. 

 

Greenfell and the Manchester attacks and the folk that died are on them. 

 

The vow to Scotland after 2014 hasn't been delivered and we will lose powers. 

 

Folk will still vote for them. Many who depend on the services that they are destroying, I don't get it. 

 

 

The SNP do not get everything correct, but they are a massive shit shield. 

 

Unfortunately, due to how the Barnet formula works as England spends less public money due the economy and privatisation, we will get less money and the shite shield will fail and we will start to severely feel the effects. 

Folk will blame the SNP. 

Edited July 3, 2018 by WeeChuck'sHeed

[AuldReekie444]

5 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

The tories voted against the NHS on its foundation. 

 

A few weeks ago they stopped the up skirting law to pass. 

 

They want to leave the EU, just before the new tax laws take force. 

 

They want to withdraw from the bill of human rights. 

 

In England, they cheered after greenfell when the pay increases for civil servants including fire fighters were voted down. 

 

In the last 8 years-

Less hospitals, nurses, schools, social housing, social care, police, fire fighters and defence personal. The NHS is getting sold off, the brexit situation is a shambles, the champion austerity and yet the national debt has tripled under their watch. 

 

The vow to Scotland after 2014 hasn't been delivered and we will lose powers. 

 

Folk will still vote for them. Many who depend on the services that they are destroying, I don't get it. 

 

 

The SNP do not get everything correct, but they are a massive shit shield. 

 

Unfortunately, due to how the Barnet formula works as England spends less public money due the economy and privatisation, we will get less money and the shite shield will fail and we will start to severely feel the effects. 

1- tories dont want to leave the EU. The UK population does. 

2- this whole vow nonsense, its ridiculous

3- the snp are dreadful, and i hope supporters remain blind to how dreadful they are. 

Edited July 3, 2018 by AuldReekie444

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, AuldReekie444 said:

tories dont want to leave the EU. The UK population does. 

 

He he. 

UK population? 

 

All except about 70%-  those too young to vote, those that didn't vote, those who couldn’t vote and those who chose to remain. 

 

Boris, Rees morg. FARAGE, Davis ETC and the billionaire tory donors have done us up like kippers. But aye, it's the will of the UK population?

 

Nowt to do with tax changes and At the time Cameron trying to play politics and bribe 4m ukip voters. 

 

Nope, it's what the people want, in fact demand as things are obviously going to be better, contradicting every economic report. 

It will be fabby. 

 

Oh and another tory lie was the energy price freezes. Forgot that one. 

 

[AuldReekie444]

Just now, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

He he. 

UK population? 

 

All except about 70%-  those too young to vote, those that didn't vote, those who couldn’t vote and those who chose to remain. 

 

Boris, Rees morg. FARAGE, Davis ETC and the billionaire tory donors have done us up like kippers. But aye, it's the will of the UK population?

 

Nowt to do with tax changes and At the time Cameron trying to play politics and bribe 4m ukip voters. 

 

Nope, it's what the people want, in fact demand as things are obviously going to be better, contradicting every economic report. 

It will be fabby. 

 

Oh and another tory lie was the energy price freezes. Forgot that one. 

 

 

aye, ive heard lots of excuses and stuff. 

FACT = The UK voted to leave the EU. 

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, AuldReekie444 said:

 

aye, ive heard lots of excuses and stuff. 

FACT = The UK voted to leave the EU. 

 

The UK did. 

Think it was 28% of the population. 

The population never. 

If you're going to be pendatic, the first rule is to be 100% correct yourself ?

 

Hopefully it works out OK, and stuff. 

[AuldReekie444]

8 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

The UK did. 

Think it was 28% of the population. 

The population never. 

If you're going to be pendatic, the first rule is to be 100% correct yourself ?

 

Hopefully it works out OK, and stuff. 

 

with this "28% of the population" , you are saying you dont want a democracy.

 

I want a democracy. 

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2018 by AuldReekie444

[Bazzas right boot]

12 minutes ago, AuldReekie444 said:

 

with this "28% of the population" , you are saying you dont want a democracy.

 

I want a democracy. 

 

 

 

 

Just merely correcting your correction. 

 

The UK voted to leave, the UK population most definitely never, even using the votes, 48% of said population voted different so your use of the UK's populations will isn't true. 

 

Also, on a separate issue, Scotland (  country where I live) voted to stay--far more than 52-48%, and before you say we voted to be part of the UK, we did so based on a vow that wasn't delivered and on staying in the EU. 

NI also voted to stay. 

 

The EU vote also promised several things on leaving that quite clearly cannot be done. £350m NHS, Irish border and single market all spring to mind. 

 

So yes, I want to live in a democracy but not one based on lies and Decit. ?

Hence the thread title. 

Edited July 3, 2018 by WeeChuck'sHeed

[AuldReekie444]

7 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said:

 

Just merely correcting your correction. 

 

The UK voted to leave, the UK population most definitely never, even using the votes, 48% of said population voted different so your use of the UK's populations will isn't true. 

 

Also, on a separate issue, Scotland (  country where I live) voted to stay--far more than 52-48%, and before you say we voted to be part of the UK, we did so based on a vow that wasn't delivered and on staying in the EU. 

NI also voted to stay. 

 

The EU vote also promised several things on leaving that quite clearly cannot be done. £350m NHS, Irish border and single market all spring to mind. 

 

So yes, I want to live in a democracy but not one based on lies and Decit. ?

Hence the thread title. 

 

Listen to yourself WeeChucks"Head. Its a muddy mess.

 

I would not be bothered trying to collect the spread of things you have said, its all the same thing though. You don't want to be in a democracy. You want to rule over your fellow citizens.

 

The UK voted in a democratic vote, and we voted to leave the UK. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2018 by AuldReekie444