More Tory lies

[Space Mackerel]

23 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

To be fair the 2010 policy was and is a lot of crap. Cameron did it to be greener than pro-nuclear Labour. The nation needs a mix of new nuclear and green energy. The investment in the new plant in Wales is a huge boost to the economy there and the UK. Scotland's nuclear sites should be renewed for future use too. 

 

The real scandal was selling off British Nuclear to the private sector for tuppence. Now these plants will be run not by a state company but a set of private firms.

 

Cameron and More Tory Lies? 

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

 

It’s a rant with little foundation and playing to emotion but the following is wrong with it.....

 

National Insurance is just not for the state pension its for other things such as sick pay, maternity leave etc. Therefore the calculation right at the start is mince for many reasons but one it doesn’t consider all it pays for.

 

National Insurance doesn’t not go into a pot and put away for you. It’s not any individual money it funds a variety of systems which individual take benefits out to varying degrees.

 

The govt have not borrowed money, when did the govt ever borrow money from it’s citizens? It’s a tax to fund benefits for payers into the system.

 

Foriegn aid is not funded through national insurance

 

The rant about MP’s has nothing to do with anything and contradicts itself in the space of 2 consecutive sentences!

 

The rant is beyond stupid and uniformed to be honest. 

 

It’s from FB what do you expect  

Cheers for the reply though??

[Thunderstruck]

49 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

To be fair the 2010 policy was and is a lot of crap. Cameron did it to be greener than pro-nuclear Labour. The nation needs a mix of new nuclear and green energy. The investment in the new plant in Wales is a huge boost to the economy there and the UK. Scotland's nuclear sites should be renewed for future use too. 

 

The real scandal was selling off British Nuclear to the private sector for tuppence. Now these plants will be run not by a state company but a set of private firms.

 

The idea that we can rely solely on renewables for 24/7 energy has been shown to be fanciful nonsense by the past week’s weather and that wasn’t the first such windless spell this year. The attached charts show the negligible contribution made by wind generation in that time span. 

 

Wind is useful only when in can be can be provided without the need for a “hot, spinning standby”. Otherwise, its main value would be in creation of hydrogen fuel as a replacement for petrol/diesel in such as vehicles and ships. Alstom already has a hydrogen-powered train and Eday in the Orkneys captures wind power as hydrogen so that it can export to the Mainland. 

 

Not to have any sensible plan to provide reliable solutions for growing energy needs into the future is monumentally stupid and the U.K. Government’s change of heart is to be welcomed. 

 

The chances of Torness and Hunterston being replaced are zero unless we get ourselves a new Scottish Government. The SNP’s conflation of civil nuclear power with bombs is ludicrous although that “ban” might turn out to be as tissue-thin as the Fracking “ban”.

[JamboX2]

53 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Cameron and More Tory Lies? 

 

Not necessarily a lie. You can insist that private firms pay 100% for new nuclear. But costs will fall on the consumer through higher bills. You can also say no new nuclear. But neither is truly a great option. The state should and must invest and have a stake in energy production.

[Boris]

9 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Not necessarily a lie. You can insist that private firms pay 100% for new nuclear. But costs will fall on the consumer through higher bills. You can also say no new nuclear. But neither is truly a great option. The state should and must invest and have a stake in energy production.

 

A stake?  It should control it all!

[JamboX2]

10 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

A stake?  It should control it all!

 

At a minimum comrade

[Boris]

3 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

At a minimum comrade

 

Hahaha.

 

Given the potential for future energy crises, it is imperative that the state controls the supply of energy to the nation, as well as, as you rightly say, investing in its future too.

[Space Mackerel]

32 minutes ago, JamboX2 said:

 

Not necessarily a lie. You can insist that private firms pay 100% for new nuclear. But costs will fall on the consumer through higher bills. You can also say no new nuclear. But neither is truly a great option. The state should and must invest and have a stake in energy production.

 

I was talking about his instant new found "green" credentials.

 

Hinkley Point is being built using Chinese money and run by a French firm.

 

https://news.finance.co.uk/hinkley-points-cost-consumers-reaches-50bn/

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

9 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Hahaha.

 

Given the potential for future energy crises, it is imperative that the state controls the supply of energy to the nation, as well as, as you rightly say, investing in its future too.

 

 

That the state doesn't have full control of strategic assets is madness.

[Space Mackerel]

2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

That the state doesn't have full control of strategic assets is madness.

 

I believe Gazprom supplies Europe with 70% of all its natural gas.

 

They could literally turn Europe off at a flick of a switch.

[Governor Tarkin]

14 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

I believe Gazprom supplies Europe with 70% of all its natural gas.

 

They could literally turn Europe off at a flick of a switch.

 

Mental eh.

 

I suppose the plus side of this is that Russia will be less likely to want to turn it's customers - ergo major source of income - into a nuclear desert.

[Space Mackerel]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Mental eh.

 

I suppose the plus side of this is that Russia will be less likely to want to turn it's customers - ergo major source of income - into a nuclear desert.

 

Qatar wants to run a pipeline through Syria to the Med to export its natural gas from there. At this moment all its LPG has to be sent to Europe via ships, through the Suez canal obviously adding on a lot of costs.

That's why Russia is backing Assad and Britain/France etc want him out, we depend too much on the supplies from Russia, they have the Western powers over a barrel. 

[Thunderstruck]

39 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

Qatar wants to run a pipeline through Syria to the Med to export its natural gas from there. At this moment all its LPG has to be sent to Europe via ships, through the Suez canal obviously adding on a lot of costs.

That's why Russia is backing Assad and Britain/France etc want him out, we depend too much on the supplies from Russia, they have the Western powers over a barrel. 

 

How much gas - roughly - does the U.K. import from Russia?

[shaun.lawson]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-banks-uk-how-many-people-adults-poverty-a8386811.html

 

What an indictment of this disgusting government that is.

[Ministry MK2]

5 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-banks-uk-how-many-people-adults-poverty-a8386811.html

 

What an indictment of this disgusting government that is.

They have used a sample size of 1,050 people and extrapolated that 3.7Million people have used a food bank. 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Ministry MK2 said:

They have used a sample size of 1,050 people and extrapolated that 3.7Million people have used a food bank. 

That's a reasonable sample size to be fair, they'll probably not be that far off. 

[Unknown user]

10 minutes ago, Ministry MK2 said:

They have used a sample size of 1,050 people and extrapolated that 3.7Million people have used a food bank. 

 

6 minutes ago, Smithee said:

That's a reasonable sample size to be fair, they'll probably not be that far off. 

I just looked it up - for a population of 60 million, to get an industry standard 3% margin of error at 95% confidence level, you'd look for a sample of 1,068.

 

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/mp/sample-size-calculator/

[Ministry MK2]

6 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I just looked it up - for a population of 60 million, to get an industry standard 3% margin of error at 95% confidence level, you'd look for a sample of 1,068.

 

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/mp/sample-size-calculator/

So it could be 3.7M it could be about 2M?

[Unknown user]

26 minutes ago, Ministry MK2 said:

So it could be 3.7M it could be about 2M?

All I'm saying is it's a reasonable sample size for industry standard stats, that's how these things work. 

2 million would still be a damning indictment of this disgusting government. 

[shaun.lawson]

37 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/08/how-has-public-opinion-changed-year-after-election/

 

Tories seem to be quite popular at the moment. More so it seems by the working class?!?! With tories now seeming to be more popular than labour with the C2DE catogry than labour. 

 

This is one of the most interesting, far-reaching phenomenons occurring in Western politics. 16 years ago now, while spending a month in the US, I was bewildered at the number of American flags and Republican banners displayed from windows in desperately poor, run down Syracuse, NY... and just as perplexed that rich, upper middle class Burlington, VT was the most socialist-leaning area in the entire country.

 

That process has steadily intensified since. As the centre-left has embraced social liberalism, environmentalism, metropolitanism and open immigration, it's naturally become more and more attractive to middle and even upper class professionals: who are well educated, work with people from all over the world, live in large, diverse conurbations, etc.

 

Meanwhile, the working class - particularly those living outside gentrified cities, ie. both rurally and in areas ravaged by the demise of heavy industry, moves into the clutches of the right: who offer them social conservatism, prey on their fears of immigration and Islam, and tell them they want to uphold their patriotism and help "hard working families" and, in May's case, those "just getting by". Not only that, but Western populations are ageing: and old people tend to be more fearful and more nostalgic about some sepia-tinted past they wish they could return to.

 

The modern day culture wars in the US have been steadily getting worse and worse ever since the split in the country over Bill Clinton's impeachment (and to some extent, since LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act); not to mention the rise of right wing talk radio in the 90s and at the turn of the century. Those culture wars have come to the UK now too. They were a huge factor underlying Brexit; social media echo chambers make it a lot worse; and May's idea of Toryism reflects the views of many socially conservative working class people. 

 

Of the Labour leadership candidates in 2015, only Corbyn had any chance at all of reaching out to C2DEs - but it was always gonna be tough. Labour's desperate need for their support is why they still don't oppose Brexit. It remains to be seen, though, what happens in a full general election campaign, when electoral and broadcasting laws will require full coverage of Corbyn and Labour. Certainly, it had a huge impact in his favour a year ago.

Edited June 9, 2018 by shaun.lawson

[Pans Jambo]

See “upskirting” would have been an offence had it not been blocked by one ‘Sir Christopher Chope’. 

 

Guess what party he represents???

 

Yes, the conservatives. 

 

Cant even protect women’s dignity. 

 

Whats wrong with those scumbags?

 

Tory filth. 

Edited June 15, 2018 by Pans Jambo

[maroonlegions]

29 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

See “upskirting” would have been an offence had it not been blocked by one ‘Sir Christopher Chope’. 

 

Guess what party he represents???

 

Yes, the conservatives. 

 

Cant even protect women’s dignity. 

 

Whats wrong with those scumbags?

 

Tory filth. 

[maroonlegions]

On 09/06/2018 at 07:25, Lord BJ said:

 

 

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/08/how-has-public-opinion-changed-year-after-election/

 

Tories seem to be quite popular at the moment. More so it seems by the working class?!?! With tories now seeming to be more popular than labour with the C2DE catogry than labour. 

 

Whilst, despite the ‘jezza’ revolution it seems you average voter still has significantly more confidence with Theresea May than would with Corbyn. Though I concede I am one of those people lol.

 

Though, I’m truly astounded labour have not manage to make any head way. That’s a pretty sad inditement imo. 

 

Poll don’t mean all that much but perhaps shows people view the parties differently that the perceived jkb wisdom.

 

Bet you its not the case in Scotland, now she has power grabbed from Hollyrood.

These polls are nor reliable enough. 

[maroonlegions]

Epilepsy patient Billy Caldwell is fighting for his life following a series of extreme seizures while his cannabis medication sits on a desk in the Home Office in London.

And meanwhile  here we have a Tory UK Drugs minister who opposes Cannabis  law reform while her husband PROFITS from a liance to grow it.

 

 

Would it be on Mrs Atkins desk, by any chance. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/uk-drugs-minister-opposes-cannabis-law-reform-husband-profits-license-grow/15/02/

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then we have May yet again showing a half hearted jesture towards the familes of Grenfell.

 

Absolutely unbelievable. Does she have ANY self-awareness whatsoever!!?

 

Theresa May left Grenfell Anniversary Commemorations early to 'woo' super-rich bankers at posh banquet | Evolve Politics

 

This Prime Minister’s latest ill-judged decision comes just days after expressing her ‘regret’ at refusing to meet Grenfell residents in the wake of the fire, and stating how her initial actions made it appear as if she ‘didn’t care’. Could not make this up , not even hiding it now.

 

Theresa May left Grenfell Anniversary Commemorations early to 'woo' super-rich bankers at posh banquet | Evolve Politics

 

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2018 by maroonlegions

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, maroonlegions said:

Epilepsy patient Billy Caldwell is fighting for his life following a series of extreme seizures while his cannabis medication sits on a desk in the Home Office in London.

And meanwhile  here we have a Tory UK Drugs minister who opposes Cannabis  law reform while her husband PROFITS from a liance to grow it.

 

 

Would it be on Mrs Atkins desk, by any chance. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/uk-drugs-minister-opposes-cannabis-law-reform-husband-profits-license-grow/15/02/

 

 

 

 

 

 

And then we have May yet again showing a half hearted jesture towards the familes of Grenfell.

 

Absolutely unbelievable. Does she have ANY self-awareness whatsoever!!?

 

Theresa May left Grenfell Anniversary Commemorations early to 'woo' super-rich bankers at posh banquet | Evolve Politics

 

This Prime Minister’s latest ill-judged decision comes just days after expressing her ‘regret’ at refusing to meet Grenfell residents in the wake of the fire, and stating how her initial actions made it appear as if she ‘didn’t care’. Could not make this up , not even hiding it now.

 

Theresa May left Grenfell Anniversary Commemorations early to 'woo' super-rich bankers at posh banquet | Evolve Politics

 

 

 

 

I have said it before...

 

Anyone who endorses these parasites are ignorant at best and utter diseased vermin at worst. 

 

I honestly cant understand knowing fully well what the tories have done to the vulnerable and what they continue to do for the elite for the past 40 years that they would STILL put their ‘X’ in the Conservative box on polling day. 

[Doogz]

2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

See “upskirting” would have been an offence had it not been blocked by one ‘Sir Christopher Chope’. 

 

Guess what party he represents???

 

Yes, the conservatives. 

 

Cant even protect women’s dignity. 

 

Whats wrong with those scumbags?

 

Tory filth. 

 

It's apparently the same twit (feel free to change the "i" for another vowel) that objected to Alan Turing being pardoned.

Anyone who voted for this twit should be thoroughly ashamed.

[Space Mackerel]

2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

I have said it before...

 

Anyone who endorses these parasites are ignorant at best and utter diseased vermin at worst. 

 

I honestly cant understand knowing fully well what the tories have done to the vulnerable and what they continue to do for the elite for the past 40 years that they would STILL put their ‘X’ in the Conservative box on polling day. 

 

Unfortunately these are the people who want all the material things in life but are first to scream society is falling apart when the slightest bit of change comes along. 

[Victorian]

The Chope story epitomises everything that's rotten about Westminster.      It might not be the biggest and most important piece of parliamentary business but it is certainly important enough.      Hijacked by the lunatic musings of some total weirdo who should be nowhere near any decision making position.

[SE16 3LN]

On 15/06/2018 at 22:34, Victorian said:

The Chope story epitomises everything that's rotten about Westminster.      It might not be the biggest and most important piece of parliamentary business but it is certainly important enough.      Hijacked by the lunatic musings of some total weirdo who should be nowhere near any decision making position.

That's the trouble with Democracy. People vote for lunatics and you can do **** all about it

[maroonlegions]

Follow the money right enough

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by maroonlegions

[Cade]

Treeza announcing an extra £20bn a year for the NHS

 

Claims it's a "Brexit windfall"

 

Where is the money actually coming from? Tax rises.

 

Raising taxes to increase funding for the NHS is fine and should have been done long before now.

 

Claiming that it's not a tax raise but a benefit of Brexit is just plain lying.

[Ministry MK2]

12 minutes ago, Cade said:

Treeza announcing an extra £20bn a year for the NHS

 

Claims it's a "Brexit windfall"

 

Where is the money actually coming from? Tax rises.

 

Raising taxes to increase funding for the NHS is fine and should have been done long before now.

 

Claiming that it's not a tax raise but a benefit of Brexit is just plain lying.

Which tax has been raised to fund it?

[Space Mackerel]

1 hour ago, Ministry MK2 said:

Which tax has been raised to fund it?

 

She’ll fund it from the magic money tree that found £1 billion in a flash to the DUP to help her cling to power. 

[Space Mackerel]

Wrong thread

Edited June 17, 2018 by Space Mackerel

[Ministry MK2]

1 hour ago, Space Mackerel said:

 

She’ll fund it from the magic money tree that found £1 billion in a flash to the DUP to help her cling to power. 

Either way shouldn’t you be happy about it. Tories now getting critised for putting additional funding into the NHS. 

 

Starting to think some people might just be blinded by hatred.

 

 

[Geoff the Mince]

3 hours ago, Cade said:

Treeza announcing an extra £20bn a year for the NHS

 

Claims it's a "Brexit windfall"

 

Where is the money actually coming from? Tax rises.

 

Raising taxes to increase funding for the NHS is fine and should have been done long before now.

 

Claiming that it's not a tax raise but a benefit of Brexit is just plain lying.

Farage spent an hour on the radio spouting these lies .

[Cade]

They are not being criticized for increasing NHS funding (even though it's not by enough)

 

They are being criticized for lying about where the money will be coming from.

[Space Mackerel]

5 minutes ago, Cade said:

They are not being criticized for increasing NHS funding (even though it's not by enough)

 

They are being criticized for lying about where the money will be coming from.

 

Exactly. 

[Cade]

Weak&Wobbly couldn't say where all this money is coming from.

 

Jeremy Hunt (NHS Privitization Secretary) couldn't say where all this money is coming from.

 

Phil Hammond (Chancellor) couldn't say where all this money is coming from.

 

Do they ever think anything through or do they just flap their gums in pathetic attempts at being popular?

Expect nasty surprises in the next Budget.

Edited June 18, 2018 by Cade

[Victorian]

Shocking deceit thus far regarding how this extra NHS funding will be paid for.     The only thing that isn't being disguised is the utter contempt being shown towards the public.     So far,   the outline explanation is that the money will come from 'the Brexit dividend' (fantasy),   economic growth (reckless assumption) and 'increased tax receipts' (note the avoidance of saying how tax receipts increase).     

 

The very epitome of smoke & mirrors with no attempt to appear credible.

 

When the budget comes around,   the detail of tax rises will have to be revealed.    Basic rise in the level of taxation for the masses?     Undoubtedly.     Accompanied by a genuine attempt to rebalance the tax burden towards more comfortable earners and an effective crackdown on compliance?     No.     It will be a half-arsed,  token adjustment or gesture,  which will be over emphasised for the purpose of more deception. 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, Victorian said:

Shocking deceit thus far regarding how this extra NHS funding will be paid for.     The only thing that isn't being disguised is the utter contempt being shown towards the public.     So far,   the outline explanation is that the money will come from 'the Brexit dividend' (fantasy),   economic growth (reckless assumption) and 'increased tax receipts' (note the avoidance of saying how tax receipts increase).     

 

The very epitome of smoke & mirrors with no attempt to appear credible.

 

When the budget comes around,   the detail of tax rises will have to be revealed.    Basic rise in the level of taxation for the masses?     Undoubtedly.     Accompanied by a genuine attempt to rebalance the tax burden towards more comfortable earners and an effective crackdown on compliance?     No.     It will be a half-arsed,  token adjustment or gesture,  which will be over emphasised for the purpose of more deception. 

They've got a free hand at the moment. 

No political scrutiny whatsoever. Corbyn and his mob can't lay a glove on the weakest PM ever on domestic policy and are standing four square behind her on Brexit.

The msm are too busy painting the right wing narrative on Brexit to notice that the country is careering down the shitter economically. 

Its a perfect storm of ineptitude and ignorance. 

 

 

[Boris]

Tories in London handing out these leaflets

 

Schisters!

Edited June 19, 2018 by Boris

[jambo lodge]

Good news though, even if it means taxes will have to rise. More common sense coming out today with the announcement that they will license medical cannabis for a number of kids who need it. Also a major clinical review of the use of it in the UK to follow.  

[jack D and coke]

Hilarious how tax rises by the tories are great news and the snp raising taxes a minuscule amount caused every unionist in Scotland to actually mess their strides  

You couldn’t make this stuff up. 

[Space Mackerel]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

Hilarious how tax rises by the tories are great news and the snp raising taxes a minuscule amount caused every unionist in Scotland to actually mess their strides  

You couldn’t make this stuff up. 

 

This thread is bereft of Unionists for some strange reason.  

Cmon oot please. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boris]

3 hours ago, jambo lodge said:

Good news though, even if it means taxes will have to rise. More common sense coming out today with the announcement that they will license medical cannabis for a number of kids who need it. Also a major clinical review of the use of it in the UK to follow.  

Although they may not have to in Scotland. 

 

But completely ruling out legalisation. Opportunity lost. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Boris

[jambo lodge]

15 minutes ago, Boris said:

Although they may not have to in Scotland. 

 

But completely ruling out legalisation. Opportunity lost. 

Perhaps step by step?

[Pans Jambo]

4 hours ago, Boris said:

Tories in London handing out these leaflets

 

Schisters!

Indeed. 

£400m a week my arse. Thats fantasy but the great brainwashed will lap it up. 

 

I read that if they had increased the NHS budget annually by just the inflation rate since 2009 the budget would be around £23Bn a year more so £20Bn is actually a ‘real-terms’ reduction. 

 

Aye, Schisters. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Pans Jambo

[Boris]

1 hour ago, jambo lodge said:

Perhaps step by step?

Why though? 

Regulate, tax, everyone is happy. 

Take it out of the hands of gangsters and take pot out of the drug equation. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

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