More Tory lies

[The Real Maroonblood]

44 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

He didn't say that but that's what he always says.  

Exactly. 

[SectionDJambo]

I’ve no idea why this man’s poor wife came to take her own life. However, his lengthy reference to her tragedy, in his resignation statement, heavily implying that him being pursued by the commons watchdog was a major contributory factor, suggests that he takes no personal responsibility for his wife’s death, if it was caused by the investigation into his actions.
To try to wriggle out of being found complicit of breaking the rules around lobbying by using his wife’s death is not the behaviour of an “honourable and distinguished” man as described by Boris Johnson. You have to wonder if he has something on Johnson, the way he is backing him, or Johnson is merely using the case to try to do a “Trump” and fill an investigative committee with his stooges in time for the investigations into his own actions.

Incidentally, isn’t it interesting that his wife was the chair of Aintree who are heavily involved with Randox. The same Randox he was lobbying for.

[Victorian]

11 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Exactly. 

 

Turns out the weasely,  pig snouted wee gimp says he lobbied the government all day to not proceed as it was wrong.  Didn't vote though as his job wouldn't retain itself.

[The Mighty Thor]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Turns out the weasely,  pig snouted wee gimp says he lobbied the government all day to not proceed as it was wrong.  Didn't vote though as his job wouldn't retain itself.

A wrong un. 

 

[Marvin]

I wandered lonely as a cloud

That floats on high o'er vales and hills 

When all at once I saw a crowd

A gang of Tory Neanderthals

Around Westminster busy as bees

Plotting and planning corruption and sleaze

 

With apologies to William Wordsworth.

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

here's what I think has gone on.

 

Johnson and the boys thought they could do what they did yesterday and make the whole Paterson thing disappear whilst at the same time showing the whole standards committee process to be flawed (which i don't think it is) paving the way for them to disband the current independent set up and to replace it with a standards committee formed with a majority of Tory MPs or appointees. 

 

They didn't reckon on the spike in public interest and the ensuing backlash.

 

There's also a huge element of clearing the Paterson problem now so that they can get their house committee in place in time for Johnson's forthcoming case on the flat decoration and undoubtedly everything that shakes out from the public inquiry into their shenanigans surrounding covid and the awarding of public contracts. They simply cannot have all that going in front of an independent committee.

 

 

 

I'd say all of this is pretty much bang on the money.

[Alex Kintner]

Will they still vote now he’s resigned?

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Alex Kintner said:

Will they still vote now he’s resigned?

 

Nah,  they'll probably use the allotted time to vote themselves a pay rise.

[HartleyLegend3]

 

[Don Dan]

15 minutes ago, HartleyLegend3 said:

 

The sad fact is nothing will happen. There will be no police investigation no Parliament investigation The press won’t pursue. Nobody of significance will bother the backside other than a few like Led by Donkeys 

[The Mighty Thor]

Johnson's speech on Patersons resignation is remarkable.

 

An insight into the mentality of the criminal cabal and the utter disdain they hold the rule of law and public standards and more importantly how few feck they give about the mugs that vote for them. 

[Gizmo]

Has Starmer went on the attack and demanded resignations and/or a GE yet?

It's hard to tell because he's useless at the best of times but also because all the papers in the thrall of old rich *******s wouldn't highlight it anyway, even when they claim to be shocked by the latest u-turns or corruption.

 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Johnson's speech on Patersons resignation is remarkable.

 

An insight into the mentality of the criminal cabal and the utter disdain they hold the rule of law and public standards and more importantly how few feck they give about the mugs that vote for them. 

 

Perhaps a case of Johnson's special theory of relativity.

 

Cast the worst and most overt instance of corruption as something of an insignificance and the groundwork is laid to observe other corruption in a relative way.

 

Or...

 

In a sudden and unexpected attack of contrition,  admit and condemn an example of corruption and set a rather inconvenient benchmark that may come back to haunt him.

 

Boris presses for option 1. 

[Nucky Thompson]

The Tories won't be going anywhere soon and this thread will still be on the first page for another 4.5 years 

[Alex Kintner]

13 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Has Starmer went on the attack and demanded resignations and/or a GE yet?

It's hard to tell because he's useless at the best of times but also because all the papers in the thrall of old rich *******s wouldn't highlight it anyway, even when they claim to be shocked by the latest u-turns or corruption.

 

Starmer appears to have a brilliantly analytical mind and was a very successful lawyer. Unfortunately he has zero charisma and doesn’t make you want to vote for him or his party. The best thing Labour could do imo would be to have Raynor as leader. She has her flaws and she’s a bit of a rough diamond but she’s the complete antithesis of Boris Johnson and his cronies and I think that is what the voting public are looking for.

[Gizmo]

5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The Tories won't be going anywhere soon and this thread will still be on the first page for another 4.5 years 

You laugh as if it's all a jolly jape but democracy is in serious trouble under these immoral self-serving wankers who chose to enrich their mates during a bloody pandemic. 


 

[Des Lynam]

21 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The Tories won't be going anywhere soon and this thread will still be on the first page for another 4.5 years 

 

Not while they have servants like you voting for them. 

[Japan Jambo]

7 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Starmer appears to have a brilliantly analytical mind and was a very successful lawyer. Unfortunately he has zero charisma and doesn’t make you want to vote for him or his party. The best thing Labour could do imo would be to have Raynor as leader. She has her flaws and she’s a bit of a rough diamond but she’s the complete antithesis of Boris Johnson and his cronies and I think that is what the voting public are looking for.

 

Certainly rough, comes across as a complete bam imo. Very easy to sound good protesting.

 

Better off with Burnham.

[Victorian]

The shadow finance and leader of the house bursds are pretty good spuds.

[Alex Kintner]

4 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Certainly rough, comes across as a complete bam imo. Very easy to sound good protesting.

 

Better off with Burnham.

When you get below the rough exterior she actually makes a lot of sense and she thinks quickly on her feet. Ripped BJ a new one at PMQs on Wednesday. Could see a lot of people preferring someone with her background and morals as their prime minister than Johnson, Sunak or Starmer.

[Alex Kintner]

Emergency question granted for Monday by the speaker.

[Victorian]

Just now, Alex Kintner said:

Emergency question granted for Monday by the speaker.

 

Is Boris a wank?

[Alex Kintner]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Is Boris a wank?

No division required on that one!

[Ulysses]

35 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The Tories won't be going anywhere soon and this thread will still be on the first page for another 4.5 years 

 

Correct.  And possibly longer than another 4.5 years.

[Japan Jambo]

5 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

When you get below the rough exterior she actually makes a lot of sense and she thinks quickly on her feet. Ripped BJ a new one at PMQs on Wednesday. Could see a lot of people preferring someone with her background and morals as their prime minister than Johnson, Sunak or Starmer.

 

Really never seen the coherent/making sense bit thought you are correct in stating that she performs well (in comparison with Starmer at least) at PMQ, quite witty and pithy but alas I don't think she has the chops to run the show. Granted we aren't exactly spoiled with choices from any part of the room.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Japan Jambo

[Alex Kintner]

17 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Really never seen the coherent/making sense bit thought you are correct in stating that she performs well (in comparison with Starmer at least) at PMQ, quite witty and pithy but alas I don't think she has the chops to run the show. Granted we aren't exactly spoiled with choices from any part of the room.

Burnham wouldn’t be a bad option either. Seems to have that bit more relatability that might appeal to voters.

[The Mighty Thor]

20 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Correct.  And possibly longer than another 4.5 years.

It will be. They keep targeting boundary changes when they're in which benefits them. 

 

That and the chippy farking sweaty socks keep voting for Sturgeon/Krankie/Nipolean 

[Savage Vince]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

It will be. They keep targeting boundary changes when they're in which benefits them. 

 

That and the chippy farking sweaty socks keep voting for Sturgeon/Krankie/Nipolean 

 

And Labour appointing 'Sirs' to 'lead' them. 😉

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, Savage Vince said:

 

And Labour appointing 'Sirs' to 'lead' them. 😉

That says it all about that party nowadays.

[A Boy Named Crow]

8 hours ago, Alex Kintner said:

Starmer appears to have a brilliantly analytical mind and was a very successful lawyer. Unfortunately he has zero charisma and doesn’t make you want to vote for him or his party. The best thing Labour could do imo would be to have Raynor as leader. She has her flaws and she’s a bit of a rough diamond but she’s the complete antithesis of Boris Johnson and his cronies and I think that is what the voting public are looking for.

I don't know much about her,  but a quick google tells me she called Boris Johnson scum, then refused to apologise. She'd get my vote!

[XB52]

11 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

Correct.  And possibly longer than another 4.5 years.

Not in Scotland they won't but off topic😊😊

[jack D and coke]

12 hours ago, Alex Kintner said:

Starmer appears to have a brilliantly analytical mind and was a very successful lawyer. Unfortunately he has zero charisma and doesn’t make you want to vote for him or his party. The best thing Labour could do imo would be to have Raynor as leader. She has her flaws and she’s a bit of a rough diamond but she’s the complete antithesis of Boris Johnson and his cronies and I think that is what the voting public are looking for.

Starmer was also a lawyer for the CPS. 
“Sir” Keir is establishment to his fecking toenails. He can get tae. 
And as for Anus Sarwar. 

[Beni]

23 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Starmer was also a lawyer for the CPS. 
“Sir” Keir is establishment to his fecking toenails. He can get tae. 
And as for Anus Sarwar. 

 

That's a bit harsh on Starmer.

I don't know if all DPPs are knighted, and if he had political ambitions he might have been wiser to decline it.

His parents were a toolmaker and nurse.

He certainly lacks charisma, and that makes him an ineffective leader of the opposition, but he's got where he is off his own bat.

 

[I P Knightley]

12 hours ago, Alex Kintner said:

Starmer appears to have a brilliantly analytical mind and was a very successful lawyer. Unfortunately he has zero charisma and doesn’t make you want to vote for him or his party. The best thing Labour could do imo would be to have Raynor as leader. She has her flaws and she’s a bit of a rough diamond but she’s the complete antithesis of Boris Johnson and his cronies and I think that is what the voting public are looking for.

There's a strong argument for Labour putting up a woman as leader since Johnson and half of his cabinet would cower in the face of debate with a woman. You can almost picture Rees-Mogg sucking his thumb as he gets told off by Rayner or one of the other strong female characters in Labour for speaking in Latin.

 

You're right, though, about charisma. Blair had it in spades and was up against Major and Hague, who didn't. For all his qualities, Brown doesn't have charisma and, in the absence of a charismatic candidate, the country will revert to the Tory option. They/we are still wary of Labour for whatever old reasons. Despite all the shite from the Tories from the last eleven years, they still have a lead in the polls on voting intention; with Johnson as leader. It's astounding.

 

I like Rayner and she would be a shot in the arm for the party but I'm not convinced she'd carry a general election; too many rough edges for the older voters to tolerate.

 

4 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I don't know much about her,  but a quick google tells me she called Boris Johnson scum, then refused to apologise. She'd get my vote!

She eventually wound her neck in for the language she used but we all know she said it; she meant it and she wasn't wrong.

[Victorian]

Shadow CotE is better than Raynor.  A bit more intellectual weight and practical economic knowledge.  Always speaks well.

[Victorian]

Yvette Cooper as well.  She would be a good halfway house between the traditional working class and the professional classes.  She would terrify the living daylights out of some of these out of touch wanks on the other side.

[Japan Jambo]

50 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

That's a bit harsh on Starmer.

I don't know if all DPPs are knighted, and if he had political ambitions he might have been wiser to decline it.

His parents were a toolmaker and nurse.

He certainly lacks charisma, and that makes him an ineffective leader of the opposition, but he's got where he is off his own bat.

 

 

yup, 100% agree with that...

[Alex Kintner]

28 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Shadow CotE is better than Raynor.  A bit more intellectual weight and practical economic knowledge.  Always speaks well.

Dodds? Not a fan. 

[NANOJAMBO]

24 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Yvette Cooper as well.  She would be a good halfway house between the traditional working class and the professional classes.  She would terrify the living daylights out of some of these out of touch wanks on the other side.

Big admirer of Cooper, she knows her stuff , speaks well and doesn't take any sh*t off anyone. 

[Beni]

7 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

yup, 100% agree with that...

 

Brilliant!

Starmer has already made that joke about Stanley Johnson.

And it was exactly as funny as yours...

 

[Alex Kintner]

26 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Yvette Cooper as well.  She would be a good halfway house between the traditional working class and the professional classes.  She would terrify the living daylights out of some of these out of touch wanks on the other side.

She’s a force to be reckoned with. Not sure if the Ed Balls-shaped chain around her ankle might stop her rising.

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Dodds? Not a fan. 

 

Rachel Reeves.

[Victorian]

Cooper is an attack dog (not an insult on her or women).  She knows how to direct an attack and keep on attacking.  

Edited November 5, 2021 by Victorian

[NANOJAMBO]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

Starmer was also a lawyer for the CPS. 
“Sir” Keir is establishment to his fecking toenails. He can get tae. 
And as for Anus Sarwar. 

Whatever that means.

Except the snobbery of papers like the Daily Heil would strongly disagree with you. In their eyes , there's nothing worse than a socialiist lefty accepting honours of the type that are doled out in the blink of an eye to  pissed up English cricketers without a second thought.  There's nothing the UK hates more than a socialist taking an honour. Very odd. 

 

[NANOJAMBO]

5 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I don't know much about her,  but a quick google tells me she called Boris Johnson scum, then refused to apologise. She'd get my vote!

Unfortunately , she did apologize though very late in the day. 

[Des Lynam]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Rachel Reeves.

Her speech at the party conference was impressive. If Labour are to return to power then they only need to look at the Blair playbook in getting elected. Unfortunately the stench of Iraq means they want f all to do with him. 

[Alex Kintner]

10 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Rachel Reeves.

Yeah I like her. Prefer Reynor or Cooper though.

[Beni]

4 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

She’s a force to be reckoned with. Not sure if the Ed Balls-shaped chain around her ankle might stop her rising.

 

 

 

[Victorian]

I think it's the idea time for Labour to move towards a policy of devo-max for Scotland and maybe the other devolved nations.  Quite possibly to also suggest a more open conversation about independence.  Maybe suggest that they,  in government,  would not stand in the way if certain tests are met.  I believe there is a portion of SNP support who are currently sceptical of independence right now or soon.  Devo-max with borrowing powers within a UK framework may just be the solution to the short term question of independence.  

[A Boy Named Crow]

9 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Unfortunately , she did apologize though very late in the day. 

She just lost my vote. Principles matter!