Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[westbow]

3 hours ago, husref musemic said:

an excellent article mentioning the job / businesses lost & the tier system Vs the rate of infection in Edinburgh.

Makes for sad & worrying reading. 

 

Covid will be low on the list of concerns for allot of people soon.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-in-scotland-edinburgh-hotels-closing-their-doors-for-good-v75qxzcnw

 

Paywall mate. Can you cut and paste?

[Ray Gin]

12 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Without fail, any criticism of NS and up you pop to defend and deflect. Look at tiers we have now. Look at the data being produced now. This is system your beloved leader put in place and Glasgow/Lanarkshire should be higher than Lothian/Edinburgh. Just once, can't you admit NS isn't infallible or does that feel like you are betraying her.

 

 

Jog on, troll. Maybe give NS some praise for keeping us out of a full nationwide lockdown? 

[graygo]

3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Jog on, troll. Maybe give NS some praise for keeping us out of a full nationwide lockdown? 

 

That last part might come back to bite you on the arse, hopefully not though.

[Ray Gin]

30 minutes ago, theshed said:

Yes but back the people weren’t going to each other’s houses to drink at the weekends. That’s the big problem and it won’t stop 

 

What do you propose? Police stationed outside every home in the country? 

[manaliveits105]

She cant wait 

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said:

She cant wait 

 

Clearly she can.

 

Boris couldn't though. Itching for a full lockdown. You could see the wee grin on his face as he announced it. Loving the power and limelight.

 

 

 

[Taffin]

Can we stop calling England's measures a full lockdown? It's basically tier 3 nationwide. For businesses not forced to close it's business as usual. There's no travel ban or overnight stay ban etc. It's quite different from back in March.

[Dennis Reynolds]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Can we stop calling England's measures a full lockdown? It's basically tier 3 nationwide. For businesses not forced to close it's business as usual. There's no travel ban or overnight stay ban etc. It's quite different from back in March.

 

I think there is.

 

From the government website:

 

11. Travel

If you live in England, you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make.

 

12. Staying away from home overnight

 

Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed- including holidays in the UK and abroad. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, if you own one, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.

 

 

Edit: Also all non- essential shops, bars, restaurants etc are closed so its a bit different from tier 3.

 

Edited November 6, 2020 by LMc

[husref musemic]

30 minutes ago, westbow said:

Paywall mate. Can you cut and paste?

Edinburgh’s hospitality industry is buckling under lockdown restrictions despite the city having one of the lowest rates of infection in the UK.
The Scottish capital had 82 cases of coronavirus per 100,000 people on October 31, the most recent count, putting it 314th out of 369 UK local authorities analysed by The Times. However, it is at Level 3 in Nicola Sturgeon’s five-tier restrictions system, meaning that pubs can serve food only until 6pm and hotels must turn away guests from outside the council boundaries.
Nine out of ten hotel beds are empty at a time when hotels in the city would usually expect to have 92 per cent occupancy, and many have simply closed their doors in the hope of a reprieve in March.
The Scottish Licensed Trade Association predicts that two thirds of licensed premises in the city will close, some of them for good, with the loss of 5,000 jobs. Edinburgh has had a 200 per cent increase in unemployment benefit claimants since February, the highest and fastest growth in Scotland.
The Royal Yacht Britannia, one of the city’s top tourist attractions, has been closed for the foreseeable future.
Stirling and Inverclyde are also under Level 3 restrictions despite having lower rates of transmission than Edinburgh. These areas are not far behind the Highlands and Islands, which has the lowest rate in the UK and is in Level 1. Alcohol can be served until 10.30pm and hotels are open to guests who do not live in the central belt.
The first minister has said that coronavirus cases are not the only factor in her decision-making on the five tiers.
South Lanarkshire has Scotland’s highest infection rate, with 307 cases per 100,000, making it 78th out of 369 UK local authorities. Glasgow and North Lanarkshire are also in the top 100.
Merthyr Tydfil, in Wales, is the top coronavirus hotspot with 763 cases per 100,000. A two-week “firebreak” lockdown in Wales is due to end on Monday.
Boris Johnson imposed a nationwide lockdown in England today in response to rising transmission rates. Glasgow is faring slightly better than Manchester and Liverpool, but has a higher rate than Newcastle, Carlisle, Bournemouth, York and London.
Ms Sturgeon has put the whole central belt into Level 3, despite the widely varying transmission rate outside Glasgow and Lanarkshire, arguing that the towns and cities are too closely connected, with shared health services that could be quickly overwhelmed. Business owners outside Glasgow and Lanarkshire are frustrated at the response, which has forced pubs to close and hotels to lie empty.
Liz McAreavey, chief executive of the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: “What is the point of localised lockdowns or restrictions if we ignore local levels of transmission?”
Marc Crothall, chief executive of the Scottish Tourism Alliance, said that hotels throughout Scotland were closing. “Today’s announcement of extended furlough and the extra £1 billion being made available to the Scottish government, enabling the potential for additional grants to be made available to tourism and hospitality business impacted by the framework restrictions will be welcomed,” he added.
Neil Ellis, chairman of the Edinburgh Hotels Association and group operations director of The Place hotel in the city centre, said several hotels in the city had been closed since the summer. Several more are preparing to close in anticipation of Ms Sturgeon putting travel restrictions into law, meaning that anyone caught entering or leaving a Level 3 area can be fined.
“Edinburgh hotels are locked down by proxy; if Scottish government introduces a lockdown after England re-opens, Edinburgh hotels will have faced a longer lockdown period than England’s hotels, and the viability of many will be at serious risk,” Mr Ellis said.
Ms Sturgeon said at first minister’s questions: “We cannot have a targeted, proportionate, regional approach to Covid restrictions unless we have travel restrictions as part of that. I do not like that, and I am sure that not many people across the country like it, but that is the reality of the situation in which we are living right now.
“There are trade-offs in this. If we want to have the greater normality that not being in lockdown gives us, we must accept the other restrictions that make that possible. The Scottish government will continue to take those decisions, and we will set them out clearly to people. Even if they are not popular, if they are about keeping the country safe and protecting as much normality as possible, we will not shy away from taking them.”
Insolvency highest in eight years
Scotland’s high street insolvencies have risen to their highest level since 2012, with about five businesses going bust each week even before the pandemic (Greig Cameron writes).
Insolvency Service figures reveal that 274 retailers, pubs, restaurants, bars or estate agents went into bankruptcy in 2019. That was 9.1 per cent higher than the previous year and the largest total since 2012.
Apropos by DJ Alexander, the property firm that carried out the research, said that the results suggested many high street operators were struggling before Covid-19. Traditional retailers have found it difficult to cope with the shift to online shopping, while dealing with rising costs for rates, wages and utility bills.
Cafés, restaurants and pubs have been facing similar pressures.
Many well-known retailers and restaurant chains have announced job losses and the permanent closure of sites as the coronavirus has disrupted their sectors.
David Alexander, joint chief executive of Apropos, said: “It is clear the Scottish high street has been in trouble for some time but these figures indicate just how much trouble it was in before this year.
“The aftermath from the pandemic will undoubtedly bring more sorrow to the centres of our towns and cities as the initial lockdown and subsequent measures will have had a disastrous effect on the viability of many businesses.”

[Dennis Reynolds]

3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Here is the table I was posting last week about the different tiers and rates in council areas, I stopped doing it because I tried to stay off the thread for a while. Anyway as you can see there is a great deal of improvement from last Friday and Yesterday on the 7 day averages. There are some very strong arguments for areas getting moved down, not really any needing to go up a level, so Lanarkshire and Glasgow were ok in 3 after all, Edinburgh can definitely go to 2 now as surrounding areas have improved too.

 

 

Looks good. Thanks for that. Hopefully come next week we'll be in Tier 2. Fingers crossed.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, theshed said:

just go and enjoy yourself 

Well we are hoping to do so but unsure if hotel will honour the reservation 

[theshed]

10 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Here is the table I was posting last week about the different tiers and rates in council areas, I stopped doing it because I tried to stay off the thread for a while. Anyway as you can see there is a great deal of improvement from last Friday and Yesterday on the 7 day averages. There are some very strong arguments for areas getting moved down, not really any needing to go up a level, so Lanarkshire and Glasgow were ok in 3 after all, Edinburgh can definitely go to 2 now as surrounding areas have improved too.

 

Looking at those figures then there is not a hope in hell she can lockdown Scotland.... she won’t be happy knowing she can get a hold of furlough money but can’t lockdown 

[Governor Tarkin]

Would 100% accept a travel ban if it meant Edinburgh was able to drop down to tier 2 without fear of an influx from the west.

[Shanks]

29 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'm not comparing it to England. I'm discussing the tier system on its own terms. Bloody straw all over the shop on this thread.

 

Edinburgh isn't badly affected. Why is it in the same tier as Glasgow? Because Glaswegians might come through here for a G&T? That's not public health policy, that's fear and cowardice.

That’s the problem with the system, it is currently being abused by the Scottish government.  It should’ve had set in stone tiers dependant on your infection levels.

 

Its a disgrace and makes a mockery of the whole system that Edinburgh is being discriminated the way it currently is. 

[Ray Gin]

32 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'm not comparing it to England. I'm discussing the tier system on its own terms. Bloody straw all over the shop on this thread.

 

Edinburgh isn't badly affected. Why is it in the same tier as Glasgow? Because Glaswegians might come through here for a G&T? That's not public health policy, that's fear and cowardice.

 

No because Edinburgh still had a fairly high rate and had only just started to recently drop when the tiers were announced. NS clearly said that Edinburgh had a good chance of dropping to level 2 at the next review.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

My Dentist just phoned at I'm booked in for my root canal a week on Monday that's been delayed since the start of lockdown so I see that as progress.

 

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, LMc said:

My Dentist just phoned at I'm booked in for my root canal a week on Monday that's been delayed since the start of lockdown so I see that as progress.

 

 

He knows the drill.

[Ray Gin]

5 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Then the continued drop should see the review brought forward. Her measures, designed to save lives, are costing them.

 

The review is next week. Areas should quite right have to demonstrate a sustained level of reduced (or increased) cases for a couple of weeks before anything changes, rather than taking knee-jerk reactions every time they dip or rise slightly, which would be chaotic.

[Ray Gin]

3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

He knows the drill.

 

 

 

[GinRummy]

3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

He knows the drill.

😂 frank Carson alive and well. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, GinRummy said:

😂 frank Carson alive and well. 

👍

[OBE]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

Would 100% accept a travel ban if it meant Edinburgh was able to drop down to tier 2 without fear of an influx from the west.

 

Ok for you to travel to Perthshire, but you fear folk travelling from the West to Edinburgh.

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Ok for you to travel to Perthshire, but you fear folk travelling from the West to Edinburgh.

 

Have you seen Edinburgh's figures compared to the West?

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

The review is next week. Areas should quite right have to demonstrate a sustained level of reduced (or increased) cases for a couple of weeks before anything changes, rather than taking knee-jerk reactions every time they dip or rise slightly, which would be chaotic.

 

This.  The reaction to ongoing data should match the objective.  The objective is to suppress and reverse the spread of infection.  Premature or overly reactionary changes to ease measures defeats the purpose.  Only clear,  substantial,  consolidated and sustainable changes to the data should enable a tier to be regraded downwards.  Reacting too quickly could quite easily lead to a region moving up and down between tiers too often to retain public confidence and clarity.

 

Tiers should only move downwards in reaction to two consecutive improvements over two data sets of a sufficiently substantial degree.

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Jog on, troll. Maybe give NS some praise for keeping us out of a full nationwide lockdown? 

FFS, what don't you understand. It isn't trolling to point out that NS is crippling Edinburgh/Lothian hospitality because she won't differentiate between Greater Glasgow and Lothian. 

Why does she deserve credit for not putting Scotland into a lockdown? The numbers don't justify a national lockdown, it would be utterly ridiculous to put Highlands or Shetland into lockdown. Move your head out of her arse and open your eyes. Lothians tier 2, Greater Glasgow/Lanarkshire tier 4. No need to wait and hope the figures from West drop over next week, do it now. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

59 minutes ago, Shanks said:

That’s the problem with the system, it is currently being abused by the Scottish government.  It should’ve had set in stone tiers dependant on your infection levels.

 

Its a disgrace and makes a mockery of the whole system that Edinburgh is being discriminated the way it currently is. 

Yep, plain as nose on your face. Just some refuse to look beyond NS. 

[OBE]

8 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Have you seen Edinburgh's figures compared to the West?

 

Will the travellers from the West be contagious? Were you, when you travelled through 3 different council regions?

Edited November 6, 2020 by OBE

[Dennis Reynolds]

11 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Let's hear you say that when your dentist is wrist-deep in your gums.  

 

Seriously, though, good news.

 

I'll be petitioning Sturgeon for another full lockdown the closer it gets 😄

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Political optic.

 

Yep, it is so obvious to some but others will always give her benefit of doubt. Better to be safe, better to be cautious, apart from sticking Lanarkshire/Greater Glasgow in tier 3 when it should have been tier 4.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 6 November 2020

Summary

• 1,072 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-144]
• 31 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [-8]
• 98 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+3]
• 1,237 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-15]
• 22,784 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 5.5% of these were positive [-2.1%]

[westbow]

2 hours ago, husref musemic said:

Edinburgh’s hospitality industry is buckling under lockdown restrictions despite the city having one of the lowest rates of infection in the UK.
The Scottish capital had 82 cases of coronavirus per 100,000 people on October 31, the most recent count, putting it 314th out of 369 UK local authorities analysed by The Times. However, it is at Level 3 in Nicola Sturgeon’s five-tier restrictions system, meaning that pubs can serve food only until 6pm and hotels must turn away guests from outside the council boundaries.
Nine out of ten hotel beds are empty at a time when hotels in the city would usually expect to have 92 per cent occupancy, and many have simply closed their doors in the hope of a reprieve in March.
The Scottish Licensed Trade Association predicts that two thirds of licensed premises in the city will close, some of them for good, with the loss of 5,000 jobs. Edinburgh has had a 200 per cent increase in unemployment benefit claimants since February, the highest and fastest growth in Scotland.
The Royal Yacht Britannia, one of the city’s top tourist attractions, has been closed for the foreseeable future.
Stirling and Inverclyde are also under Level 3 restrictions despite having lower rates of transmission than Edinburgh. These areas are not far behind the Highlands and Islands, which has the lowest rate in the UK and is in Level 1. Alcohol can be served until 10.30pm and hotels are open to guests who do not live in the central belt.
The first minister has said that coronavirus cases are not the only factor in her decision-making on the five tiers.
South Lanarkshire has Scotland’s highest infection rate, with 307 cases per 100,000, making it 78th out of 369 UK local authorities. Glasgow and North Lanarkshire are also in the top 100.
Merthyr Tydfil, in Wales, is the top coronavirus hotspot with 763 cases per 100,000. A two-week “firebreak” lockdown in Wales is due to end on Monday.
Boris Johnson imposed a nationwide lockdown in England today in response to rising transmission rates. Glasgow is faring slightly better than Manchester and Liverpool, but has a higher rate than Newcastle, Carlisle, Bournemouth, York and London.
Ms Sturgeon has put the whole central belt into Level 3, despite the widely varying transmission rate outside Glasgow and Lanarkshire, arguing that the towns and cities are too closely connected, with shared health services that could be quickly overwhelmed. Business owners outside Glasgow and Lanarkshire are frustrated at the response, which has forced pubs to close and hotels to lie empty.
Liz McAreavey, chief executive of the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: “What is the point of localised lockdowns or restrictions if we ignore local levels of transmission?”
Marc Crothall, chief executive of the Scottish Tourism Alliance, said that hotels throughout Scotland were closing. “Today’s announcement of extended furlough and the extra £1 billion being made available to the Scottish government, enabling the potential for additional grants to be made available to tourism and hospitality business impacted by the framework restrictions will be welcomed,” he added.
Neil Ellis, chairman of the Edinburgh Hotels Association and group operations director of The Place hotel in the city centre, said several hotels in the city had been closed since the summer. Several more are preparing to close in anticipation of Ms Sturgeon putting travel restrictions into law, meaning that anyone caught entering or leaving a Level 3 area can be fined.
“Edinburgh hotels are locked down by proxy; if Scottish government introduces a lockdown after England re-opens, Edinburgh hotels will have faced a longer lockdown period than England’s hotels, and the viability of many will be at serious risk,” Mr Ellis said.
Ms Sturgeon said at first minister’s questions: “We cannot have a targeted, proportionate, regional approach to Covid restrictions unless we have travel restrictions as part of that. I do not like that, and I am sure that not many people across the country like it, but that is the reality of the situation in which we are living right now.
“There are trade-offs in this. If we want to have the greater normality that not being in lockdown gives us, we must accept the other restrictions that make that possible. The Scottish government will continue to take those decisions, and we will set them out clearly to people. Even if they are not popular, if they are about keeping the country safe and protecting as much normality as possible, we will not shy away from taking them.”
Insolvency highest in eight years
Scotland’s high street insolvencies have risen to their highest level since 2012, with about five businesses going bust each week even before the pandemic (Greig Cameron writes).
Insolvency Service figures reveal that 274 retailers, pubs, restaurants, bars or estate agents went into bankruptcy in 2019. That was 9.1 per cent higher than the previous year and the largest total since 2012.
Apropos by DJ Alexander, the property firm that carried out the research, said that the results suggested many high street operators were struggling before Covid-19. Traditional retailers have found it difficult to cope with the shift to online shopping, while dealing with rising costs for rates, wages and utility bills.
Cafés, restaurants and pubs have been facing similar pressures.
Many well-known retailers and restaurant chains have announced job losses and the permanent closure of sites as the coronavirus has disrupted their sectors.
David Alexander, joint chief executive of Apropos, said: “It is clear the Scottish high street has been in trouble for some time but these figures indicate just how much trouble it was in before this year.
“The aftermath from the pandemic will undoubtedly bring more sorrow to the centres of our towns and cities as the initial lockdown and subsequent measures will have had a disastrous effect on the viability of many businesses.”

Thanks Husref.

[redjambo]

Today's per-board per-100,000 case stats:

 

Scotland 20 [-2]

 

Greater Glasgow 39 [-2], Lanarkshire 32 [-4], Ayrshire 20 [-2].

 

Dumfries & Galloway 15 [+2], Tayside 15 [-4], Fife 13 [-5], Borders 12 [+9], Lothian 12 [-2].

 

All the others: less than 10.

 

Lothian breakdown: West 20, City 11, Mid 10, East 7.

[The Real Maroonblood]

10 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's per-board per-100,000 case stats:

 

Scotland 20 [-2]

 

Greater Glasgow 39 [-2], Lanarkshire 32 [-4], Ayrshire 20 [-2].

 

Dumfries & Galloway 15 [+2], Tayside 15 [-4], Fife 13 [-5], Borders 12 [+9], Lothian 12 [-2].

 

All the others: less than 10.

 

Lothian breakdown: West 20, City 11, Mid 10, East 7.

👍

[Governor Tarkin]

16 minutes ago, OBE said:

 

Will the travellers from the West be contagious? Were you, when you travelled through 3 different council regions?

 

I've no idea if the travellers from the west will be contagious, but the figures would indicate they are several times more likely to be than someone from Edinburgh, which has a seven day average comparable with the area recently travelled to.

 

 

[Ray Gin]

40 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

FFS, what don't you understand. It isn't trolling to point out that NS is crippling Edinburgh/Lothian hospitality because she won't differentiate between Greater Glasgow and Lothian. 

Why does she deserve credit for not putting Scotland into a lockdown? The numbers don't justify a national lockdown, it would be utterly ridiculous to put Highlands or Shetland into lockdown. Move your head out of her arse and open your eyes. Lothians tier 2, Greater Glasgow/Lanarkshire tier 4. No need to wait and hope the figures from West drop over next week, do it now. 

 

The numbers don't justify it because of her measures.

 

The next review date is next week.

 

Hope this helps.

[ri Alban]

4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I've no idea if the travellers from the west will be contagious, but the figures would indicate they are several times more likely to be than someone from Edinburgh, which has a seven day average comparable with the area recently travelled to.

 

 

I worked with a contagious guy. All day to do a 10 minute job. 

[coconut doug]

38 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

 

Yep, it is so obvious to some but others will always give her benefit of doubt. Better to be safe, better to be cautious, apart from sticking Lanarkshire/Greater Glasgow in tier 3 when it should have been tier 4.

 

How do you know it should be in tier 4 when you don't know what the criteria are?

[Taffin]

3 hours ago, LMc said:

 

I think there is.

 

From the government website:

 

11. Travel

If you live in England, you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make.

 

12. Staying away from home overnight

 

Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed- including holidays in the UK and abroad. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, if you own one, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.

 

 

Edit: Also all non- essential shops, bars, restaurants etc are closed so its a bit different from tier 3.

 

 

All travel and overnight stays for work are permitted. It is more than tier 3 but less than in March. If March was more stringent...this can't be full lockdown now?

 

And most differently schools are open. 

 

If it was a full lockdown, it might have a chance of succeeding. But it isn't, and it won't.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Taffin

[Governor Tarkin]

28 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

How do you know it should be in tier 4 when you don't know what the criteria are?

 

What are the criteria, doug?

[coconut doug]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

What are the criteria, doug?

 

I told you yesterday. You boys need to listen to the briefings.

[Don Dan]

38 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Footnote:

 

EH9 discarded mask update

 

2 seen on way to work (-3)

3 seen on way home (+1)

 

All blue.

 

Not good.

i don’t think people discard their masks. They are so easy to unintentionally pull it out of your pocket. I’ve don’t it myself with the blue ones. I’ve also seen cloth ones lying in supermarket car parks where people have obviously dropped them. 
I have seen them lying about too but I am reluctant to pick them up and bin them 

[Don Dan]

4 minutes ago, jonesy said:

then why on earth are folk just shoving it into their pockets? They should take more care of things like this.

Very good question. 
used johnnies and used needles are not an uncommon site up there I’m told. 😬

[Governor Tarkin]

30 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

I told you yesterday. You boys need to listen to the briefings.

 

 

Doug recieving his daily briefing.

[Nucky Thompson]

38 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

I told you yesterday. You boys need to listen to the briefings.

Are you JiH's dad?

[graygo]

3 hours ago, Brian Dundas said:

Here is the table I was posting last week about the different tiers and rates in council areas, I stopped doing it because I tried to stay off the thread for a while. Anyway as you can see there is a great deal of improvement from last Friday and Yesterday on the 7 day averages. There are some very strong arguments for areas getting moved down, not really any needing to go up a level, so Lanarkshire and Glasgow were ok in 3 after all, Edinburgh can definitely go to 2 now as surrounding areas have improved too.

 

Borders and Fife going up because of pub tourists?

 

Perth as well, that'll be down to the Governor 😄

Edited November 6, 2020 by graygo

[JudyJudyJudy]

Why have the tier system if they don’t use it accurately ? Therefore Edinburgh and Lothian should surely move to tier 2 next week ? Or his long does a decrease have to be evidenced for ? No doubt the parameters for that will change again next week 

[Governor Tarkin]

7 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Perth as well, that'll be down to the Governor 😄

 

 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Why have the tier system if they don’t use it accurately ? Therefore Edinburgh and Lothian should surely move to tier 2 next week ? Or his long does a decrease have to be evidenced for ? No doubt the parameters for that will change again next week 

 

West Lothian is the kicker.

[CJGJ]

Nothing much will happen next week...already the ground is being prepared for little or no change to levels

 

FM @NicolaSturgeon indicates that ahead of Tuesday's review of levels the consideration for restrictions is not just about stabilising the levels of infection but about driving down infection levels

 

The old backstop position will be used telling us 'its for your own good' and 'just in case' so justification can be made for no change......I am not overly against that position but don't need the information skewed just to suit one side of an argument.....that attitude is causing much of the angst instead of just some straight forward factual talking....we are not Americans and can handle the truth in most cases.

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

West Lothian is the kicker.

 

Everything west of the Calder Junction is a Weegie as far as I'm concerned.