Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

When you are preventing businesses from trading and employees from woking for their wages, it is required. The UK Government would not extend it for the areas of the UK that required it when it was required.  The whole world is racking up debt paying for this crisis, it is what governments do, worry about paying it back when the time comes.

So in Scotland, we don't need countrywide lockdown. Our figures don't demand it, therefore we don't do it. To lockdown country now is selfish and unwarranted. 

[Victorian]

Just now, Malinga the Swinga said:

So in Scotland, we don't need countrywide lockdown. Our figures don't demand it, therefore we don't do it. To lockdown country now is selfish and unwarranted. 

 

Nobody has suggested a lockdown.

[Ray Gin]

16 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

So in Scotland, we don't need countrywide lockdown. Our figures don't demand it, therefore we don't do it. To lockdown country now is selfish and unwarranted. 

 

We're not locking down. Give Nicola a wee pat on the back for that.  

[Nucky Thompson]

Sturgeon will have us in a National lockdown next week. Mark my words

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon will have us in a National lockdown next week. Mark my words

[Taffin]

23 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

I’m certainly not. I think they got the levels wrong myself. 
 

Poster needs to realise furlough and lockdown are not the same thing. 

 

 

Absolutely.

 

It's not even lockdown in England. It's Tier 3 nationally really. Last time we closed our office and a number of branches. This time all staying open and effectively business as usual.

 

Still annoying going from Tier 1 to this though. Mainly the gyms and lack of provision at hotels when travelling

[Nucky Thompson]

15 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

I take it you don't think she will TRM

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I take it you don't think she will TRM

Maybe she'll put Glasgow and Lanarkshire on 4 and keep us on 3.

Which would be nonsense. 

[Brighton Jambo]

5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I take it you don't think she will TRM

I don’t think she will do a national lockdown imminently.  I think today’s furlough decision gives her breathing space to let the tier system run its course and if she went into a lockdown it would be a clear admission that the tiers have failed.    Also she simply couldn’t justify it for large parts of Scotland given current numbers.  

[theshed]

25 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon will have us in a National lockdown next week. Mark my words

Looking at today’s figures there is no chance she could lock us down 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, theshed said:

Looking at today’s figures there is no chance she could lock us down 

Exactly. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, weehammy said:

It’s nonsense that we’re in the same Tier.
But don’t hold your breath waiting for our Scottish media to ask her to explain or for Edinburgh Council to lobby on our behalf

As I said it's a nonsense. 

[manaliveits105]

2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

We want furlough extended? What it's been extended. We want to complain about why furlough extended. 

Some folk never happy. 

Cant wait to hear the fat hibby barsteward whinging on 

[And he’s not praying!]

44 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon will have us in a National lockdown next week. Mark my words

No she won’t.

 

In yet another desperate attempt to have a pop over something she’s not yet done, you’ve clearly demonstrated you don’t have a handle on what today’s furlough announcement means for Scotland.

 

Now had England not been in the shit and furlough was still due to end on 2nd dec, she more than likely would have had us in lockdown. Her hands would have been tied.

 

England are in the shit, however. Due to measures put in place up here, we’re thankfully nowhere near them numbers wise. We’ll get a proper shot at our tiered system before hitting the National button.

 

And you can mark my words on that.

[jambos are go!]

Still would like someone to tell why if we have a well functioning test and protect system alongside high levels of compliance with the rules we have seen the virus soar upwards from virtual elimination in Scotland?

[Nucky Thompson]

6 minutes ago, And he’s not praying! said:

No she won’t.

 

In yet another desperate attempt to have a pop over something she’s not yet done, you’ve clearly demonstrated you don’t have a handle on what today’s furlough announcement means for Scotland.

 

Now had England not been in the shit and furlough was still due to end on 2nd dec, she more than likely would have had us in lockdown. Her hands would have been tied.

 

England are in the shit, however. Due to measures put in place up here, we’re thankfully nowhere near them numbers wise. We’ll get a proper shot at our tiered system before hitting the National button.

 

And you can mark my words on that.

Hopefully you're right and I'm wrong, but I've got a feeling she'll want to do it with Christmas on the horizon 

 

We'll soon find out

[And he’s not praying!]

5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Hopefully you're right and I'm wrong, but I've got a feeling she'll want to do it with Christmas on the horizon 

 

We'll soon find out

Apologies for the snarky reply to your post.

 

A distinct lack of sleep in the last 48 hours following these crazy yanks. 🥴

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

Sturgeon (some may know as Nippy / Krankie / witch / fun sponge / Hitler) seems encouraged by some progress being made to suppress the wave.  I dare say this will herald the green light for some to demand an instant easing of measures.  I say they shouldn't change a damn thing.  Keep going with the current tiers and bash this as hard as we can.  

 

Infections being flattened already would be really good news.  We have to keep going while the opportunity is there to put it into reverse again.

 

wee Burnie too

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon will have us in a National lockdown next week. Mark my words

Hopefully not. They need to give the tier system some time surely?  Just been watching BBC news and two reporters are discussing the new lockdown . They are talking about what things are still open, click and collect businesses like book shops, garden centers etc. Problem is they are having a good old chuckle about it. !! 

[Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

 

wee Burnie too

Wee Nicky Shipman

[Toxteth O'Grady]

36 minutes ago, jambos are go! said:

Still would like someone to tell why if we have a well functioning test and protect system alongside high levels of compliance with the rules we have seen the virus soar upwards from virtual elimination in Scotland?

Follow the things that were allowed to happen again before cases started to rise again. Students coming from all over the uk and rest of the world would be high on the list of things likely to have caused a big rise. 

[coconut doug]

44 minutes ago, jambos are go! said:

Still would like someone to tell why if we have a well functioning test and protect system alongside high levels of compliance with the rules we have seen the virus soar upwards from virtual elimination in Scotland?

 

We had a rise after we opened up after lockdown. We had a surge after universities went back. The levels are no longer increasing. This suggests that the levels of restriction applied in the tiered system are approximately right. Test and protect cannot detect many asymptomatic individuals and as many of them are in the younger age groups the virus has spread initially at least, to them. It is a direct consequence of opening up campuses and creating a situation where compliance rates would drop. Hopefully the worst effects of this are over.

[coconut doug]

1 hour ago, weehammy said:

It’s nonsense that we’re in the same Tier.
But don’t hold your breath waiting for our Scottish media to ask her to explain or for Edinburgh Council to lobby on our behalf

 

Are you aware of all the factors that have to be considered? If so, could you tell us why Edinburgh should be in a different tier.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 hours ago, GinRummy said:

Bound to be partly because people ARE still mixing at home. Though I personally believe you close everything bar the essential or close nothing at all. 

Yes.  where exactly are people getting infected then? I just dont get it.  

[Governor Tarkin]

5 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Are you aware of all the factors that have to be considered? If so, could you tell us why Edinburgh should be in a different tier.

 

Are you aware of all the factors that have to be considered?

 

If so, could you tell us why Edinburgh shouldn't be in a different tier.

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes.  where exactly are people getting infected then? I just dont get it.  

 

Folk are still having their muckers round at the weekend for a bevvy and a few patsys.

 

Vanfulls of un-socially-distanced workies can be seen outside every sandwich shop at lunchtime.

 

Students and young teams are still gathering in large numbers.

 

School kids are mixing freely.

 

Etc.

 

 

 

 

[fabienleclerq]

12 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Are you aware of all the factors that have to be considered?

 

If so, could you tell us why Edinburgh shouldn't be in a different tier.

 

My take on it is Edinburgh is in lockdown because if it wasn't there would be hoardes from the west piling through to get away from there's every weekend. 

[Victorian]

11 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Folk are still having their muckers round at the weekend for a bevvy and a few patsys.

 

Vanfulls of un-socially-distanced workies can be seen outside every sandwich shop at lunchtime.

 

Students and young teams are still gathering in large numbers.

 

School kids are mixing freely.

 

Etc.

 

 

 

 

 

Yep,  and some of those examples will remain untraceable for the contact tracers.  The contrary to the rules house gatherings especially.  There's not a hope in hell of contact information coming to light out of people from these meetings presenting with infection. 

[manaliveits105]

13 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

My take on it is Edinburgh is in lockdown because if it wasn't there would be hoardes from the west piling through to get away from there's every weekend. 

correct and we dont want people trying to sell macaroon bars on Princes Street 

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 hours ago, Brian Dundas said:

I hate being nippy, but I am about to, sorry.

 

Can you direct me to all your posts previously, preferably daily ones, that were concerned with the wider public health of our nation's population  prior to 2020?

 

Thanks.

At least you were true to your word😎. 

You've made my point for me.  Where was the FM last year with her stage managed briefings and carefully crafted sympathetic words for families of the deceased. Why are our politicians only this year interested in "keeping us safe" - outwith the remit of the state, I would say - and the concern for "saving lives", a ridiculous expression given that there is no cure for death and 600k pass away every year.

 

[coconut doug]

28 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Are you aware of all the factors that have to be considered?

 

If so, could you tell us why Edinburgh shouldn't be in a different tier.

 

Of course i am aware of the factors involved. I listen to the daily briefings after all. Edinburgh should be in Tier 3 because it matches the tier 3 criteria more accurately. The other poster says it does not and i just asked him why.

[coconut doug]

19 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

My take on it is Edinburgh is in lockdown because if it wasn't there would be hoardes from the west piling through to get away from there's every weekend. 

 

This is one of the parameters, certainly.

[GinRummy]

41 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes.  where exactly are people getting infected then? I just dont get it.  

In people’s houses. 

[Ray Gin]

Sweden removed from the safe travel corridor as cases continue to rise. 

[GinRummy]

8 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Of course i am aware of the factors involved. I listen to the daily briefings after all. Edinburgh should be in Tier 3 because it matches the tier 3 criteria more accurately. The other poster says it does not and i just asked him why.

Bit behind the curve but I thought the main consideration was infection rate?

[theshed]

17 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

My take on it is Edinburgh is in lockdown because if it wasn't there would be hoardes from the west piling through to get away from there's every weekend. 

I honestly don’t think many would bother coming through to be honest. Most places you have to book a table and it’s a pain to get in places 

 

Think people from through the west just wouldn’t bother with the hassle and will just keep drinking at each other’s houses and watching football on tv

 

Going to Berwick takes roughly the same time on the train as it does from Glasgow to Edinburgh  but I haven't seen loads of people jumping on train from Edinburgh to go to Berwick 

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Very true. My mate been told he will maybe wait 14 weeks to see a specialist about his possible cancer issues. Shocking. Hes wrote email to complain and also contacted his MSP that might give the NHS a kick up the a*** 

That is scandalous James. I hope your mate gets some positive news. Yes, the only positive from this year is that we may now have to have the grown up conversation about the NHS that is years overdue. It needs a complete re-think. How do we pay for it? What treatment should it be providing etc?. Eventually, some form of private medical insurance will have to become the norm for those who can afford it. Yes, free at the point of delivery for all who need it but we need to move to the kind of efficient,  hybrid service that Germany,  for example,  has. And ffs, regardless of what the BMA say, we must fall into line with nearly every other country in the world and charge tourists and visitors for treatment. 

[GinRummy]

33 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Folk are still having their muckers round at the weekend for a bevvy and a few patsys.

 

Vanfulls of un-socially-distanced workies can be seen outside every sandwich shop at lunchtime.

 

Students and young teams are still gathering in large numbers.

 

School kids are mixing freely.

 

Etc.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Best thing to do to stop all that is keep the pubs shut. 

[GinRummy]

1 minute ago, theshed said:

I honestly don’t think many would bother coming through to be honest. Most places you have to book a table and it’s a pain to get in places 

 

Think people from through the west just wouldn’t bother with the hassle and will just keep drinking at each other’s houses and watching football on tv

 

Going to Berwick takes roughly the same time on the train as it does from Glasgow to Edinburgh  but I haven't seen loads of people jumping on train from Edinburgh to go to Berwick 

The line has been closed at weekends. 

[GinRummy]

10 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

This is one of the parameters, certainly.

So why have separate tiers for Edinburgh and Glasgow. Waste of time surely?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Sweden removed from the safe travel corridor as cases continue to rise. 

 

Germany as well.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

I see whitty and valance appear to have had their arses handed to them by the statistics regulator for using misleading data leading to .... wait for it ..... an overestimation of expected deaths

 

vallboy apologised for the confusion

 

what a surprise a real genuine bolt from the blue that 🙁

 

 

 

 

[theshed]

1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

The line has been closed at weekends. 

Fair point but I just don’t think with all the restrictions that were in place people could be arsed travelling to then no get in anyway

[GinRummy]

Just now, theshed said:

Fair point but I just don’t think with all the restrictions that were in place people could be arsed travelling to then no get in anyway

Agreed. You’d get a few folk going on a jolly but nothing that would make a significant difference. My pal suggested going down the borders for a drink but **** that. I’ll just get melted in the house and send him nasty texts. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

5 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

How come?

 

I just mentioned the daily stats

 

says more about you than me - either you find a deadly virus funny, or trying to act like a keyboard warrior and act like a bully!

 

I just find your constant 6th form prefect act highly amusing, mate. Now don't be such a twit by accusing others of bullying or keyboard warrior behaviour there's a good chap. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

5 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Is this the level the thread has stooped to? Making jokes about 39 people dying and posting images of the grim reaper?

 

 

With the school prefect I'm afraid so. 

[And he’s not praying!]

13 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

With the school prefect I'm afraid so. 

Well as long as you were able to put him in his place. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 minute ago, And he’s not praying! said:

Well as long as you were able to put him in his place. 

 

I very much doubt that will stop his antics.

[And he’s not praying!]

7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

I very much doubt that will stop his antics.

You could always add a ‘🤣’ for every death in reply to him?

 

 

Edited November 5, 2020 by And he’s not praying!

[FWJ]

The government do pass legislation to try to keep us safe (and alive).  From compulsory crash helmets and seat belts to drink-drive laws and speed limits.  From minimum unit alcohol pricing to very heavily taxed cigarettes to the sugar tax on sweetened soft drinks.

They’re trying to do it with junk food.

 

And every.single. time. people b***h and moan and talk about the ‘Nanny State’ and the erosion of civil liberties.