Gizmo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Victorian said: That calibre of antibody surveillance could be extremely useful in keeping really good onging vigilance, which in turn can greatly contribute to the avoidance of lockdowns and restrictions. The kind of dumbass opposition shown further up the thread by the dumbass-in-chief really takes the McVities Digestive. Science keeps producing tools for the toolbox and cretins keep making a complete tit of themselves. We'll be ok as long as innovations of this type keep being brought forward. Refreshing to find a rare oasis of sensible, critical thinking in this thread. It seems no matter what innovations are developed, its all shouted down by the emptiest vessels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Scottish numbers: 17 June 2021 Summary 1,317 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+188; up from 735 a week ago] 30,990 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-4,648] 4.6% of these were positive [+1.2%] 4 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+3] 12 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-3] 140 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+7] 3,571,726 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,516,066 have received their second dose [+19,987; +22,708] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just been reading on the bbc Scotland site that over 20 people a week die from drink related deaths in Scotland so drink killing more people in Scotland that Covid at the moment and that’s before we talk about drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Looks like the UK are behind the curve again with regard to opening up overseas travel. Vaccine passports are a must if we want to save the travel industry and allow people the right to travel https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57504082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, Enzo Chiefo said: Looks like the UK are behind the curve again with regard to opening up overseas travel. Vaccine passports are a must if we want to save the travel industry and allow people the right to travel https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57504082 indeed - government letting their libertarian instincts cloud what should be a pragmatic, common sense decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 The latest trend stats. Very noticeable jump in cases today. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area Tier WHO Today Yesterday 15 Jun 14 Jun 13 Jun 12 Jun 11 Jun ... 1 May Scotland 135 124 +11 122 117 114 110 107 ... 22 Dundee City 2 4 329 314 +15 308 297 301 273 266 ... 13 South Ayrshire 2 4 260 253 +7 251 242 231 212 184 ... 25 Edinburgh City 2 4 218 210 +8 202 198 190 190 174 ... 27 Clackmannanshire 2 4 206 184 +22 192 175 180 192 202 ... 14 East Renfrewshire 2 4 191 179 +12 167 153 150 136 140 ... 24 East Ayrshire 2 4 184 157 +27 160 139 133 127 132 ... 45 East Dunbartonshire 2 4 176 156 +20 145 133 133 127 120 ... 51 East Lothian 1 4 173 167 +6 158 148 132 122 113 ... 5 Midlothian 2 4 173 177 -4 180 182 187 184 185 ... 10 Glasgow City 2 4 168 153 +15 160 156 155 155 159 ... 33 Perth & Kinross 1 4 167 149 +18 167 158 153 143 136 ... 22 Renfrewshire 2 4 150 132 +18 138 135 130 127 126 ... 20 North Lanarkshire 2 3 147 129 +18 119 115 110 104 104 ... 40 West Dunbartonshire 1 3 146 144 +2 137 135 141 137 125 ... 28 North Ayrshire 2 3 144 136 +8 136 131 125 112 86 ... 17 West Lothian 1 3 127 125 +2 126 115 116 119 114 ... 26 South Lanarkshire 2 3 119 104 +15 104 101 99 95 97 ... 18 Aberdeen City 1 3 115 97 +18 84 73 69 57 54 ... 13 Angus 1 3 114 120 -6 138 142 151 151 153 ... 7 Argyll & Bute 1 / 0 3 106 76 +30 50 47 40 37 33 ... 7 Scottish Borders 1 3 88 75 +13 68 67 67 51 43 ... 6 Stirling 2 3 81 86 -5 74 63 63 61 70 ... 11 Fife 1 3 78 69 +9 64 63 64 57 54 ... 32 Falkirk 1 3 71 58 +13 50 39 35 32 37 ... 23 Inverclyde 1 3 60 53 +7 46 46 41 41 31 ... 15 Dumfries & Galloway 1 2 39 38 +1 40 38 44 46 41 ... 19 Aberdeenshire 1 2 32 26 +6 24 26 27 25 23 ... 8 Highland 1 / 0 1 16 14 +2 12 12 12 11 14 ... 9 Moray 1 1 8 7 +1 10 9 9 10 15 ... 65 Na h-Eileanan Siar 0 1 2 2 0 7 7 4 4 0 ... 0 Orkney Islands 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... 0 Shetland Islands 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 15 Jun 14 Jun 13 Jun 12 Jun 11 Jun ... 1 May Tests 25891 25518 +373 25602 24761 24820 24508 24621 ... 18484 Cases 1050 967 +83 950 910 893 856 832 ... 171 Positivity rate % 4.4 4.1 +0.3 4.0 4.0 3.9 3.7 3.6 ... 1.1 Deaths 1.3 0.9 +0.4 0.9 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.4 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 43056 44139 -1083 45082 46703 47120 47384 48247 ... 45346 1st Dose 18644 18473 +171 18228 18764 18787 18791 19008 ... 6677 2nd Dose 24412 25666 -1254 26854 27939 28333 28593 29239 ... 38669 Daily data All in hospital 140 133 +7 137 128 130 129 132 ... 65 Non-ICU 128 118 +10 120 111 114 115 119 ... 54 ICU 12 15 -3 17 17 16 14 13 ... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gizmo said: Refreshing to find a rare oasis of sensible, critical thinking in this thread. It seems no matter what innovations are developed, its all shouted down by the emptiest vessels. It's the natural evolution of denialism. When people are no longer satisfied by denying the need for the measures brought in or denouncing scientific opinion that challenges their pre-conceived notions. People who seem to think it's possible to select suitable facts, theories or opinions in the same way you select a shirt you best like on the retailer's website. The natural next step is to deny, denounce, ridicule the scientific efforts that help to prevent measures being brought back in. The rationale being that there never was any need for urgent and crucial scientific efforts in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Boy Daniel said: Estimates for the number of people who could die or need hospital treatment in a summer wave of coronavirus infections are to be reduced by thousands after data showed that vaccines were more effective than thought. Papers presented this week to the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) projected a peak of about 1,000 hospital admissions a day if the final stage of reopening in England was delayed. Had ministers gone ahead with an end to restrictions on June 21, that figure could have reached 3,000 a day, the figure seen in spring last year, according to the modelling by Warwick University. However, this was based on assuming that two doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine provided between 85 and 90 per cent protection against severe disease from the Delta, or Indian, variant, and two doses of Pfizer-BioNTech between 87 and 91 per cent. According to the best guess of Public Health England, two doses of the Oxford vaccine are actually 92 per cent effective against severe disease, meaning that people fully vaccinated are 92 per cent less likely to end up in hospital. For Pfizer, the figure was 96 per cent. The new data, which suggests deaths will be significantly lower too, is based on real-world hospital cases and raises the prospect that Boris Johnson will be able to go ahead with a full lifting of restrictions on July 19 as planned. Professor Mark Woolhouse, from the University of Edinburgh and a member of the Sage modelling committee Spi-M, said that even small changes in vaccine efficacy could “could make a big difference” to the projections. are there (reliable) figures for unvaccinated people compared to last year - are they landing in hospital at the same rate as before and recovering / not recovering at similar rates as before ? for vaccinated people how do they quantify how much is down to the vaccine and how much is due to a change in strength of the virus especially as results appear to have been better than expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Looks like the UK are behind the curve again with regard to opening up overseas travel. Vaccine passports are a must if we want to save the travel industry and allow people the right to travel https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57504082 I'd suggest there's bigger challenges facing the UK right now than ***** pissing and moaning about not being able to go to Benidorm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Looks like the scientists and “critical thinkers “ noses are put out of joint today with the news under 18 years old don’t need the vaccine ! Back to the drawing board for them it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Looks like the UK are behind the curve again with regard to opening up overseas travel. Vaccine passports are a must if we want to save the travel industry and allow people the right to travel https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57504082 A post I can agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: A post I can agree with. Don't sound so surprised, KvC😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, redjambo said: The latest trend stats. Very noticeable jump in cases today. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area Tier WHO Today Yesterday 15 Jun 14 Jun 13 Jun 12 Jun 11 Jun ... 1 May Scotland 135 124 +11 122 117 114 110 107 ... 22 Dundee City 2 4 329 314 +15 308 297 301 273 266 ... 13 South Ayrshire 2 4 260 253 +7 251 242 231 212 184 ... 25 Edinburgh City 2 4 218 210 +8 202 198 190 190 174 ... 27 Clackmannanshire 2 4 206 184 +22 192 175 180 192 202 ... 14 East Renfrewshire 2 4 191 179 +12 167 153 150 136 140 ... 24 East Ayrshire 2 4 184 157 +27 160 139 133 127 132 ... 45 East Dunbartonshire 2 4 176 156 +20 145 133 133 127 120 ... 51 East Lothian 1 4 173 167 +6 158 148 132 122 113 ... 5 Midlothian 2 4 173 177 -4 180 182 187 184 185 ... 10 Glasgow City 2 4 168 153 +15 160 156 155 155 159 ... 33 Perth & Kinross 1 4 167 149 +18 167 158 153 143 136 ... 22 Renfrewshire 2 4 150 132 +18 138 135 130 127 126 ... 20 North Lanarkshire 2 3 147 129 +18 119 115 110 104 104 ... 40 West Dunbartonshire 1 3 146 144 +2 137 135 141 137 125 ... 28 North Ayrshire 2 3 144 136 +8 136 131 125 112 86 ... 17 West Lothian 1 3 127 125 +2 126 115 116 119 114 ... 26 South Lanarkshire 2 3 119 104 +15 104 101 99 95 97 ... 18 Aberdeen City 1 3 115 97 +18 84 73 69 57 54 ... 13 Angus 1 3 114 120 -6 138 142 151 151 153 ... 7 Argyll & Bute 1 / 0 3 106 76 +30 50 47 40 37 33 ... 7 Scottish Borders 1 3 88 75 +13 68 67 67 51 43 ... 6 Stirling 2 3 81 86 -5 74 63 63 61 70 ... 11 Fife 1 3 78 69 +9 64 63 64 57 54 ... 32 Falkirk 1 3 71 58 +13 50 39 35 32 37 ... 23 Inverclyde 1 3 60 53 +7 46 46 41 41 31 ... 15 Dumfries & Galloway 1 2 39 38 +1 40 38 44 46 41 ... 19 Aberdeenshire 1 2 32 26 +6 24 26 27 25 23 ... 8 Highland 1 / 0 1 16 14 +2 12 12 12 11 14 ... 9 Moray 1 1 8 7 +1 10 9 9 10 15 ... 65 Na h-Eileanan Siar 0 1 2 2 0 7 7 4 4 0 ... 0 Orkney Islands 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... 0 Shetland Islands 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 15 Jun 14 Jun 13 Jun 12 Jun 11 Jun ... 1 May Tests 25891 25518 +373 25602 24761 24820 24508 24621 ... 18484 Cases 1050 967 +83 950 910 893 856 832 ... 171 Positivity rate % 4.4 4.1 +0.3 4.0 4.0 3.9 3.7 3.6 ... 1.1 Deaths 1.3 0.9 +0.4 0.9 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.4 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 43056 44139 -1083 45082 46703 47120 47384 48247 ... 45346 1st Dose 18644 18473 +171 18228 18764 18787 18791 19008 ... 6677 2nd Dose 24412 25666 -1254 26854 27939 28333 28593 29239 ... 38669 Daily data All in hospital 140 133 +7 137 128 130 129 132 ... 65 Non-ICU 128 118 +10 120 111 114 115 119 ... 54 ICU 12 15 -3 17 17 16 14 13 ... 11 So despite cases rocketing over the last 6 weeks or so death rates and ICU numbers are virtually the exact same as on the 1st May. Edited June 17, 2021 by Brighton Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Looks like the scientists and “critical thinkers “ noses are put out of joint today with the news under 18 years old don’t need the vaccine ! Back to the drawing board for them it seems Not really. In fact not in the slightest. It looks like the JCVI and key scientific opinion within virology, etc have determined that a sufficient level of population immunity can be achieved without moving into the youngest ages. Population immunity to prevent or profoundly disrupt epidemics + ongoing surveillance, monitoring, vigilance of how vaccines are performing, how immunity is persisting, the relationships between infections and hospital presentations, etc. The sort of scientific work you were quite happy to ridicule earlier on. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: My local dentist in Dunblane sure is back to normal. We all saw him last week and he was dressed up like Darth feckin Vader for my checkup and general poking around. Did a scale and polish and set my wife and daughter up with a program for hygienist visits and everything else oral. cheers bud, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Don't sound so surprised, KvC😂 I needed a shower after hitting submit reply... 😳😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, redjambo said: The latest trend stats. Very noticeable jump in cases today. 7-day per-100,000 cases Council Area Tier WHO Today Yesterday 15 Jun 14 Jun 13 Jun 12 Jun 11 Jun ... 1 May Scotland 135 124 +11 122 117 114 110 107 ... 22 Dundee City 2 4 329 314 +15 308 297 301 273 266 ... 13 South Ayrshire 2 4 260 253 +7 251 242 231 212 184 ... 25 Edinburgh City 2 4 218 210 +8 202 198 190 190 174 ... 27 Clackmannanshire 2 4 206 184 +22 192 175 180 192 202 ... 14 East Renfrewshire 2 4 191 179 +12 167 153 150 136 140 ... 24 East Ayrshire 2 4 184 157 +27 160 139 133 127 132 ... 45 East Dunbartonshire 2 4 176 156 +20 145 133 133 127 120 ... 51 East Lothian 1 4 173 167 +6 158 148 132 122 113 ... 5 Midlothian 2 4 173 177 -4 180 182 187 184 185 ... 10 Glasgow City 2 4 168 153 +15 160 156 155 155 159 ... 33 Perth & Kinross 1 4 167 149 +18 167 158 153 143 136 ... 22 Renfrewshire 2 4 150 132 +18 138 135 130 127 126 ... 20 North Lanarkshire 2 3 147 129 +18 119 115 110 104 104 ... 40 West Dunbartonshire 1 3 146 144 +2 137 135 141 137 125 ... 28 North Ayrshire 2 3 144 136 +8 136 131 125 112 86 ... 17 West Lothian 1 3 127 125 +2 126 115 116 119 114 ... 26 South Lanarkshire 2 3 119 104 +15 104 101 99 95 97 ... 18 Aberdeen City 1 3 115 97 +18 84 73 69 57 54 ... 13 Angus 1 3 114 120 -6 138 142 151 151 153 ... 7 Argyll & Bute 1 / 0 3 106 76 +30 50 47 40 37 33 ... 7 Scottish Borders 1 3 88 75 +13 68 67 67 51 43 ... 6 Stirling 2 3 81 86 -5 74 63 63 61 70 ... 11 Fife 1 3 78 69 +9 64 63 64 57 54 ... 32 Falkirk 1 3 71 58 +13 50 39 35 32 37 ... 23 Inverclyde 1 3 60 53 +7 46 46 41 41 31 ... 15 Dumfries & Galloway 1 2 39 38 +1 40 38 44 46 41 ... 19 Aberdeenshire 1 2 32 26 +6 24 26 27 25 23 ... 8 Highland 1 / 0 1 16 14 +2 12 12 12 11 14 ... 9 Moray 1 1 8 7 +1 10 9 9 10 15 ... 65 Na h-Eileanan Siar 0 1 2 2 0 7 7 4 4 0 ... 0 Orkney Islands 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... 0 Shetland Islands 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 ... 0 7-day averages Today Yesterday 15 Jun 14 Jun 13 Jun 12 Jun 11 Jun ... 1 May Tests 25891 25518 +373 25602 24761 24820 24508 24621 ... 18484 Cases 1050 967 +83 950 910 893 856 832 ... 171 Positivity rate % 4.4 4.1 +0.3 4.0 4.0 3.9 3.7 3.6 ... 1.1 Deaths 1.3 0.9 +0.4 0.9 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.4 ... 1.3 All Vaccinations 43056 44139 -1083 45082 46703 47120 47384 48247 ... 45346 1st Dose 18644 18473 +171 18228 18764 18787 18791 19008 ... 6677 2nd Dose 24412 25666 -1254 26854 27939 28333 28593 29239 ... 38669 Daily data All in hospital 140 133 +7 137 128 130 129 132 ... 65 Non-ICU 128 118 +10 120 111 114 115 119 ... 54 ICU 12 15 -3 17 17 16 14 13 ... 11 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: So despite cases rocketing over the last 6 weeks or so death rates and ICU numbers are virtually the exact same as on the 1st May. Yip. If there’s no great shift by the next review, 28th June, it will be an interesting press conference from the FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said: I needed a shower after hitting submit reply... 😳😂😂 You just needed a shower imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: You just needed a shower imo. You need to stop imagining middle aged blokes in showers imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Victorian said: Not really. In fact not in the slightest. It looks like the JCVI and key scientific opinion within virology, etc have determined that a sufficient level of population immunity can be achieved without moving into the youngest ages. Population immunity to prevent or profoundly disrupt epidemics + ongoing surveillance, monitoring, vigilance of how vaccines are performing, how immunity is persisting, the relationships between infections and hospital presentations, etc. The sort of scientific work you were quite happy to ridicule earlier on. Cheers. The new tests for immunity, with that level of accuracy and determination of source of immunity confirmed, will be a huge asset. Even knowing the longevity of antibodies and protection, by itself is massive. It's interesting that some of us who adhered by and large to what was requested of us in terms of restrictions are called sheeple, yet the too-cool-for-rules posters have a Pavlovian response to any news be it positive or negative, instantly drooling at the opportunity to impotently vent at something whilst the actual content bypasses all thought processes. It's quite something to behold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Don't sound so surprised, KvC😂 I'm sure it's only the words "the UK is behind the curve again" that appeal to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I'm sure it's only the words "the UK is behind the curve again" that appeal to him. 👀 🧐 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gizmo said: The new tests for immunity, with that level of accuracy and determination of source of immunity confirmed, will be a huge asset. Even knowing the longevity of antibodies and protection, by itself is massive. It's interesting that some of us who adhered by and large to what was requested of us in terms of restrictions are called sheeple, yet the too-cool-for-rules posters have a Pavlovian response to any news be it positive or negative, instantly drooling at the opportunity to impotently vent at something whilst the actual content bypasses all thought processes. It's quite something to behold. All characteristic of the type of zealotry one has come to expect from these chumps. It will be seen in evidence and in a wider context as time progresses. Your more extreme chump will continue whatever crusade they're on for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: You need to stop imagining middle aged blokes in showers imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Boab said: Yip. If there’s no great shift by the next review, 28th June, it will be an interesting press conference from the FM. She has already given notice that there will be little if any movement on 28 June. The next three week cycle takes us to 19 July which would give alignment with England. It has become self evident that the younger age groups make up the majority of the case numbers. The hospitalisation/ICU numbers also confirm the effectiveness of the vaccination programme. So what next? Restrictions should largely be lifted in the July review as all adults (>18) should have had their first jabs by then (assuming that they take up the offer). All over 50s and the majority of over 40s will also have had their 2nd jabs. The more interesting question will be whether or not to vaccinate secondary school kids. If, as is being suggested, the JCVI only recommends vaccinating vulnerable kids in that age group, then it suggest to me that the supply of Pfizer/Moderna vaccines is the limiting factor. Without that group being vaccinated then there will be continued spread among the school community, with disruption likely in all schools as classes and teachers are forced to self isolate. It may be that we have to wait until substantial numbers of other vaccines like J&J or Valneva come on stream before the JCVI gives the go-ahead. My own grandkids are currently self isolating after a sleepover last weekend, as a result of the host mum (a nursery teacher) testing positive. The grandkids have tested negative, but still have to complete the full 10 days isolation, including missing school again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: So despite cases rocketing over the last 6 weeks or so death rates and ICU numbers are virtually the exact same as on the 1st May. Exactly . No need to panic . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 hours ago, redjambo said: Scottish numbers: 17 June 2021 Summary 1,317 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+188; up from 735 a week ago] 30,990 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-4,648] 4.6% of these were positive [+1.2%] 4 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+3] 12 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-3] 140 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+7] 3,571,726 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,516,066 have received their second dose [+19,987; +22,708] Vaccinations are a bit slow these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Gizmo said: Refreshing to find a rare oasis of sensible, critical thinking in this thread. It seems no matter what innovations are developed, its all shouted down by the emptiest vessels. 3 hours ago, Victorian said: It's the natural evolution of denialism. When people are no longer satisfied by denying the need for the measures brought in or denouncing scientific opinion that challenges their pre-conceived notions. People who seem to think it's possible to select suitable facts, theories or opinions in the same way you select a shirt you best like on the retailer's website. The natural next step is to deny, denounce, ridicule the scientific efforts that help to prevent measures being brought back in. The rationale being that there never was any need for urgent and crucial scientific efforts in the first place. 3 hours ago, Victorian said: Not really. In fact not in the slightest. It looks like the JCVI and key scientific opinion within virology, etc have determined that a sufficient level of population immunity can be achieved without moving into the youngest ages. Population immunity to prevent or profoundly disrupt epidemics + ongoing surveillance, monitoring, vigilance of how vaccines are performing, how immunity is persisting, the relationships between infections and hospital presentations, etc. The sort of scientific work you were quite happy to ridicule earlier on. Cheers. 44 minutes ago, Gizmo said: The new tests for immunity, with that level of accuracy and determination of source of immunity confirmed, will be a huge asset. Even knowing the longevity of antibodies and protection, by itself is massive. It's interesting that some of us who adhered by and large to what was requested of us in terms of restrictions are called sheeple, yet the too-cool-for-rules posters have a Pavlovian response to any news be it positive or negative, instantly drooling at the opportunity to impotently vent at something whilst the actual content bypasses all thought processes. It's quite something to behold. 35 minutes ago, Victorian said: All characteristic of the type of zealotry one has come to expect from these chumps. It will be seen in evidence and in a wider context as time progresses. Your more extreme chump will continue whatever crusade they're on for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, jonnothejambo said: Chris Witty firing out warnings about surges in Autumn and Winter. Jesus wept that man must be a hoot at a night out. Is he still creeping about? The ministry of fear , voice of doom . He would have been more suited to the Second World War propaganda machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Chris Witty firing out warnings about surges in Autumn and Winter. Jesus wept that man must be a hoot at a night out. Great after dinner speaker if you want an early exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I'm sure it's only the words "the UK is behind the curve again" that appeal to him. 😂. Nail hit head on, Seymour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: Great after dinner speaker if you want an early exit. 33 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Chris Witty firing out warnings about surges in Autumn and Winter. Jesus wept that man must be a hoot at a night out. Is it not about time that miserable doomster was put out to grass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 43 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: His face makes Clement Freud look happy. Might need to Google that one, James. I came into Edinburgh on Tuesday and had a brilliant time having a few beers with my old friends. It was just like old times. Great company, a few beers, football on the TV. We've all had our two jabs and to get out and see them has totally helped me mentally. Great to hear you had a good day out . It’s all we really have wanted . Yes I think I recall Freud . He was a bumbling type of panel member on various shows ? Think he had a dog i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Victorian said: All characteristic of the type of zealotry one has come to expect from these chumps. It will be seen in evidence and in a wider context as time progresses. Your more extreme chump will continue whatever crusade they're on for years to come. ur buddying-up with someone who thinks the UK is similar to Australia and New Zealand from a covid-control point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: ur buddying-up with someone who thinks the UK is similar to Australia and New Zealand from a covid-control point of view Keeping London open as a hub and allowing untested travellers to step straight onto crowded tubes was a good idea then? No wonder it became the epicentre of the first wave. Are you implying we couldn't have continued trade with the border closed? Australia basically left their expats out in the cold. The UK left the door open for our ones and seemingly anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2nd jab yesterday. No reaction ! Em…pub ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: ur buddying-up with someone who thinks the UK is similar to Australia and New Zealand from a covid-control point of view He's hardly going to attempt to enter into intelligent discourse with you, is he? Someone who can't see the benefits of not having massive land borders to police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, kila said: Keeping London open as a hub and allowing untested travellers to step straight onto crowded tubes was a good idea then? No wonder it became the epicentre of the first wave. Are you implying we couldn't have continued trade with the border closed? Australia basically left their expats out in the cold. The UK left the door open for our ones and seemingly anyone else. point out where I’ve suggested anything you’ve referenced in your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gizmo said: He's hardly going to attempt to enter into intelligent discourse with you, is he? Someone who can't see the benefits of not having massive land borders to police. myself and Victorian rarely agree on things covid but have had the odd grown-up debate on things with the odd bit of humour thrown-in so in summary you are completely wrong (again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: myself and Victorian rarely agree on things covid but have had the odd grown-up debate on things with the odd bit of humour thrown-in so in summary you are completely wrong (again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Gizmo said: when attempting to have a grown-up debate with you yesterday i asked a couple of questions which you are yet to answer - they were quite pivotal to the debate - imagine you answered them and successfully debated your point that would be quite a thing - it’s not too late mate - you can do better than the meme with knowledge and understanding - maybe you’re right you just need the conviction to debate the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegranty Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Getting my second jag on Tue,7 weeks and 6 days after my 1st one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: 😂. Nail hit head on, Seymour Pair o cunny funts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Pair o cunny funts Knew you had a sense of humour👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Knew you had a sense of humour👍 I do, its just not to everyone's taste though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said: I do, its just not to anyone's taste though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: ***** Edited June 17, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein Is F a n n y REALLY on the banned list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: ***** 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, jonesy said: Ach feck it, this'll be fun. He’s great . Been following him for years . He’s been very incisive about covid in the last year . 👍 also very very humorous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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