Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Chris Hopson, the head of NHS providers was saying the exact same thing this morning, that the chain between cases, serious illness, hospitalisations and deaths has been broken.  In Bolton the highest number of people admitted to hospital with the so called Indian/Delta variant was 50, whereas it was 150 back in January/February presumably with the Kent variant and 170 back in November.  Furthermore the ages of those hospitalised this time around were much younger and they also required less critical care as they weren't as sick as older people had been previously.  All this means that hospitals were not put under anywhere near the same amount of pressure, that they had been previously.

 

It is clear from this data that the vaccines are doing their job and are working.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/indian-variant-uk-covid-delta-hospital-numbers-b938908.html

 

 

 

Yes, definitely positive news JJ. We should be concentrating on that instead of obsessing about "cases" 

 

 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Gizmo said:

There's a lot to unpack there but I still don't get how your libertarian stance is compatible with allocating the resources to the least at risk? A risk you've deemed negligble, to boot. 

With regard to the "detached, cold-hearted way" - I'll never look at human beings in that manner, sorry. Sure, I have that luxury as I'm not a politician but even so, this is a bit Logan's Run isn't it? Where does it stop - well the NHS has only X # beds, X scan capacity, X # doctors so, sorry Bob, you're 80* now so off you pop with your duff hip/pneumonia/dementia, and no it doesn't matter that you paid in all your life as a part of the capitalist machine and contributed to wider society. Yes, the older population have lived most of their lives, and that makes every single day they have left, incredibly precious.  

Are you really happy to normalise that ideal - that some people are less worthy than others? That's a slippery slope imo, one that demagogues like Duncan-Smith would eagerly grease when faced with a budgeting issue.

*78...75...70...

Gizmo,  citizens lives are valued already by the govt using QALY factors. The "slippery slope" you talk of is just a real life path that policy makers have trod for years. 1 year of healthy life is valued at about £30k so, for example,  if a new treatment costs £2million and will extend the lives of 10 people by 5 years, it will be not be deemed cost effective. 

QALY factors are used in all govt policy making ; a new road that will boost the economy by more than the "value" of the x number of lives lost as result of accidents, will be given the go-ahead.

The pandemic and the overly hysterical national reaction to it, with daily death figures etc, has manipulated the population into thinking that there is a cure for "death" and that every life lost ro Covid is a "tragedy". The fact that the vast majority of non-Covid deaths are ignored, along with the strategy of the NHS to force DNR notices on otherwise healthy patients, is conveniently forgotten. 

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, hmfcbilly said:

Re your 1st comment that I've highlighted in bold...ive no idea if you were deprived and I'm not sure how old you are but I'm 40 and I still went to pre school toddler groups before starting school nursery.  My mother would definitely say it did me the world of good getting out and mixing with other kids even at the age of 2 and 3 in these settings. Admittedly, softplay wasn't a thing when I was pre-school age (certainly not common as they are now anyway) but having used one with my older child and seen the benefits and joy it brings to both her and other young kids, I think the value of what they bring to both children (who generally have fun) and parents who get to see their kids have fun and possibly even enjoy having a coffee/catch up with a friend or chat with another parent (when they could be isolated at home instead) is massively underestimated. 

 

The 1st answer kind of leads to your 2nd point about computer games affecting social skills. For me, the earlier we teach kids about social interaction and play, the better chance we have of keeping them off screens for prolonged periods as they get older. Whether we like it or not, we live in a massively digital dependent age. For me it's like most things in life, find a balance and most things can be enjoyed equally whether it's playing computer games, having a drink etc. If it's controlled and you're not dependent or addicted, ultimately I don't see the harm.  

I am pushing 70 so that probably partly  explains our different views. I am pleased you and your children are doing so well. But I am not convinced that being taken by a child minder to a different toddler group every day would necessarily work for every child.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

16 hours ago, redjambo said:

Just to throw my tuppenceworth in, the idea of isolating the at-risk and elderly while vaccinating the rest might possibly have worked if the former could be *properly* isolated like on a desert island or the moon or similar. Even with the lockdowns that we had and people taking precautions, the virus still managed to spread to and kill a great number of the at-risk and elderly. It still managed to get in to care homes where you would have thought we would have had decent protocols to avoid it doing so. Same goes for hospitals and prisons where it also got into. In the real world in which we live, we can't fully and properly isolate such a huge number of folk as those who make up the at-risk and elderly categories, and in the time that it would have taken to vaccinate all the rest, a lot of people would have died.

 

like most things in life there is no flawless solution to protecting the more at risk - using the moon would be a good solution but probably unworkable but that’s not to say there isn’t a more pragmatic albeit imperfect solution

 

its almost a 100% wide agreed belief that significant mistakes were made in trying to protect the care homes (in many countries) so that’s suggests we could do better - trying to quantify how much better would be useful via experts working together (rather than defaulting to the moon solution) might have been / be worth a go

 

likewise hospitals

 

and had we not spent considerable resource on the less-at risk there may have been considerable extra resource to target where it’s needed most

 

the moon solution offered suggests a bit of a closed-mind on the subject which rarely leads to the path of the best / least damaging solution

 

 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 6 June 2021

Summary

• 775 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-85; up from 526 a week ago]
• 20,675 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-6,761]
  • 4.0% of these were positive [+0.6%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [-1]
• 3,365,779 people have received the first dose of the covid vaccination and 2,227,493 have received their second dose [+19,937; +24,946]

[redjambo]

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	31 May	...	1 May
Scotland			93	89	+4		84	77	71	68	65	...	22
Clackmannanshire	2	4	194	169	+25		126	97	78	54	56	...	14
Dundee City	2	4	190	169	+21		149	127	111	108	103	...	13
South Ayrshire	2	4	180	169	+11		166	148	135	119	105	...	25
Edinburgh City	2	4	166	151	+15		138	127	114	95	88	...	27
Glasgow City	2	4	157	153	+4		148	136	131	135	127	...	33
Angus	1	3	148	132	+16		107	59	40	40	33	...	7
East Ayrshire	2	3	136	122	+14		112	98	77	70	61	...	45
East Renfrewshire	2	3	135	143	-8		154	162	171	171	174	...	24
Renfrewshire	2	3	125	123	+2		134	146	142	152	161	...	20
Midlothian	2	3	118	121	-3		100	88	85	88	89	...	10
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	108	99	+9		101	93	83	75	69	...	51
South Lanarkshire	2	3	85	85	0		79	81	74	79	77	...	18
Stirling	2	3	83	85	-2		81	74	69	66	70	...	11
North Lanarkshire	2	3	82	81	+1		83	86	86	83	81	...	40
Perth & Kinross	1	3	82	74	+8		57	47	39	41	39	...	22
North Ayrshire	2	3	77	78	-1		81	83	66	59	65	...	17
West Lothian	1	3	73	63	+10		55	45	34	35	33	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	66	61	+5		58	44	33	31	30	...	28
East Lothian	1	3	63	60	+3		55	45	29	27	21	...	5
Falkirk	1	3	51	54	-3		52	53	50	44	44	...	23
Fife	1	2	49	51	-2		49	44	42	44	42	...	32
Aberdeen City	1	2	34	28	+6		24	18	18	14	17	...	13
Highland	1 / 0	2	31	37	-6		45	42	36	33	29	...	9
Scottish Borders	1	2	28	23	+5		18	9	9	8	5	...	6
Inverclyde	1	2	26	24	+2		31	30	32	31	33	...	15
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	2	20	12	+8		15	19	17	15	14	...	7
Moray	1	1	17	17	0		14	14	9	11	13	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		13	4	0	0	0	...	0
Aberdeenshire	1	1	15	12	+3		12	11	8	9	9	...	8
Dumfries & Galloway	1	1	14	12	+2		9	7	8	9	7	...	19
Orkney Islands	0	1	9	9	0		9	4	4	0	0	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	7	7	0		7	4	4	4	0	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	31 May	...	1 May
Tests			23145	22720	+425		22305	22159	21710	22055	22090	...	18484
Cases			730	694	+36		654	604	551	533	510	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.4	3.3	+0.1		3.1	2.9	2.7	2.6	2.5	...	1.1
Deaths			1.3	1.3	0.0		1.1	1.1	0.6	0.4	0.7	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			48033	47745	+288		47074	46620	46128	46135	45895	...	45346
1st Dose			18781	18582	+199		18565	18715	18647	18418	18456	...	6677
2nd Dose			29252	29163	+89		28509	27905	27481	27717	27439	...	38669

[Ulysses]

 

[FWJ]

Once again Clackmannanshire right up at the top.

[The Real Maroonblood]

16 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	31 May	...	1 May
Scotland			93	89	+4		84	77	71	68	65	...	22
Clackmannanshire	2	4	194	169	+25		126	97	78	54	56	...	14
Dundee City	2	4	190	169	+21		149	127	111	108	103	...	13
South Ayrshire	2	4	180	169	+11		166	148	135	119	105	...	25
Edinburgh City	2	4	166	151	+15		138	127	114	95	88	...	27
Glasgow City	2	4	157	153	+4		148	136	131	135	127	...	33
Angus	1	3	148	132	+16		107	59	40	40	33	...	7
East Ayrshire	2	3	136	122	+14		112	98	77	70	61	...	45
East Renfrewshire	2	3	135	143	-8		154	162	171	171	174	...	24
Renfrewshire	2	3	125	123	+2		134	146	142	152	161	...	20
Midlothian	2	3	118	121	-3		100	88	85	88	89	...	10
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	108	99	+9		101	93	83	75	69	...	51
South Lanarkshire	2	3	85	85	0		79	81	74	79	77	...	18
Stirling	2	3	83	85	-2		81	74	69	66	70	...	11
North Lanarkshire	2	3	82	81	+1		83	86	86	83	81	...	40
Perth & Kinross	1	3	82	74	+8		57	47	39	41	39	...	22
North Ayrshire	2	3	77	78	-1		81	83	66	59	65	...	17
West Lothian	1	3	73	63	+10		55	45	34	35	33	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	66	61	+5		58	44	33	31	30	...	28
East Lothian	1	3	63	60	+3		55	45	29	27	21	...	5
Falkirk	1	3	51	54	-3		52	53	50	44	44	...	23
Fife	1	2	49	51	-2		49	44	42	44	42	...	32
Aberdeen City	1	2	34	28	+6		24	18	18	14	17	...	13
Highland	1 / 0	2	31	37	-6		45	42	36	33	29	...	9
Scottish Borders	1	2	28	23	+5		18	9	9	8	5	...	6
Inverclyde	1	2	26	24	+2		31	30	32	31	33	...	15
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	2	20	12	+8		15	19	17	15	14	...	7
Moray	1	1	17	17	0		14	14	9	11	13	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		13	4	0	0	0	...	0
Aberdeenshire	1	1	15	12	+3		12	11	8	9	9	...	8
Dumfries & Galloway	1	1	14	12	+2		9	7	8	9	7	...	19
Orkney Islands	0	1	9	9	0		9	4	4	0	0	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	7	7	0		7	4	4	4	0	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	31 May	...	1 May
Tests			23145	22720	+425		22305	22159	21710	22055	22090	...	18484
Cases			730	694	+36		654	604	551	533	510	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.4	3.3	+0.1		3.1	2.9	2.7	2.6	2.5	...	1.1
Deaths			1.3	1.3	0.0		1.1	1.1	0.6	0.4	0.7	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			48033	47745	+288		47074	46620	46128	46135	45895	...	45346
1st Dose			18781	18582	+199		18565	18715	18647	18418	18456	...	6677
2nd Dose			29252	29163	+89		28509	27905	27481	27717	27439	...	38669

👍

[Boab]

32 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Once again Clackmannanshire right up at the top.

56 to nearly 200 in a week !

Edited June 6, 2021 by Boab

[manaliveits105]

Have they started mass vaccinations in Edinburgh yet ? - or anywhere else ?
 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

Aye, Vatican City.

I might pope over

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

Fair enough, but you'll have to quarantine after the border crossing.

Jesus

[3fingersreid]

Out early with my wife today ,one stop was  waiting to get into TK Max at 10am . Queue of 15-20 people , out of that lot only me and my wife used the hand sanitiser. There’s no real surprises that this virus continues to flourish given the lack of hygiene shown by so many . 

[westbow]

Sunday Times comment on herd immunity.

 

“New variant, new danger
Our current rules on social distancing, combined with immunity in the population, might have been enough to control the original virus and even the more infectious Kent variant. Unfortunately, the Indian variant appears to be up to 70 per cent more infectious. This means it “out-competed” the Kent variant to become the dominant strain in Britain, which is why the weekly growth rate in Covid cases has risen in the past seven days from 13 per cent on May 22 to 35 per cent on May 29 with more than 4,000 cases a day.

Herd immunity is further away
The goal of governments wrestling with a pandemic is “herd immunity”, where so many people have protection the virus has nowhere to go. The safest way to get there is through vaccination.

Under the original Wuhan strain, one infected person passed it to three others: scientists say it had a natural R value of 3. If two out of those three people, or 67 per cent, are vaccinated or become immune through infection, the virus stops growing. This is called the “herd immunity threshold”.

The Kent variant was a third more transmissible, meaning one person gave it to four others. If the Indian variant is 50 per cent more transmissible again, one infected person would infect six others.

This means five out of six people, about 83 per cent, would need to be protected through vaccines or prior infection if we want the virus to die out. We are getting closer: the Office for National Statistics thinks that about 75 per cent of adults now have Covid antibodies. But because just 79 per cent of people are adults, we may need to vaccinate teenagers to reach population immunity. That is now firmly on the government’s agenda after the Pfizer vaccine was approved for children on Friday.”

 

[westbow]

Meant to put in Bold the 83% for herd immunity.

[frankblack]

20 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Fair enough, but you'll have to quarantine after the border crossing.

 

Not if you fly via a green country like a mate in Italy did to get here the other week.

[frankblack]

20 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said:

Out early with my wife today ,one stop was  waiting to get into TK Max at 10am . Queue of 15-20 people , out of that lot only me and my wife used the hand sanitiser. There’s no real surprises that this virus continues to flourish given the lack of hygiene shown by so many . 

 

That and the halfwits who think as long as they are outside then social distancing and face masks aren't needed.

 

You really can't fix stupid people.

[frankblack]

Just now, Lord BJ said:

Wooosh.......

 

 

Right back at you.  My comment was sarcastic.

[Nucky Thompson]

6 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

That and the halfwits who think as long as they are outside then social distancing and face masks aren't needed.

 

You really can't fix stupid people.

I don't know anyone who wears a face mask outdoors. 

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I don't know anyone who wears a face mask outdoors. 

[frankblack]

9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Why no religious pun. 
 

 

Started reading thread from the end.

 

9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Hows it’s sarcasm?

 

It was a dig at our government's joke of a traffic light system.

[frankblack]

10 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I don't know anyone who wears a face mask outdoors. 

 

Kind of explains why cases are rocketing again, doesn't it?

 

Scientific advice is to do so in crowded places and that includes outdoors where you can't always social distance.

[3fingersreid]

40 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I wouldn't be looking to patrons of TK Maxx as an indicator of general hygiene practices among the wider population, TBH 😛 

😂😂

21 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

That and the halfwits who think as long as they are outside then social distancing and face masks aren't needed.

 

You really can't fix stupid people.

Yep , I hope they keep the hand sanitiser once all is clear , not that everyone will use it obviously 

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, 3fingersreid said:

😂😂

Yep , I hope they keep the hand sanitiser once all is clear , not that everyone will use it obviously 

 

Before Covid I used to drive to work until I changed jobs in 2018 where I was based in the city centre and commuted by bus. 

 

I caught more colds and bugs from that time until lockdown from all the sick people travelling to work and spreading their germs on the bus.  Face masks on public transport should probably be retained to muzzle these sick people.

[Nucky Thompson]

4 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Kind of explains why cases are rocketing again, doesn't it?

 

Scientific advice is to do so in crowded places and that includes outdoors where you can't always social distance.

All the evidence points to the vast majority of infections happening indoors.

 

I'm all for wearing one when I go indoors but not outside in the fresh air.

[CJGJ]

38 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

That and the halfwits who think as long as they are outside then social distancing and face masks aren't needed.

 

You really can't fix stupid people.

That would be the half wits following the advice given then

 

I don't wear a mask whilst walking outside and see no need to do so as long as there is no close contact

 

The reality is more close contact, more cases and when you open up that is what happens.....nothing to do with mask wearing in the open air but all to do with close contact and more interaction so look at family groups, pubs restaurants etc before any nonsense about mask wearing outside whilst going to the shops or in the park....keep your distance of course but as a general rule walking about in the open air is not the reason for any spread

 

 

[manaliveits105]

All the amber gamblers here in Spain are wearing masks from when you leave home until you sit down to eat or drink - there’s even some naughty staunch snp people who have made a break for it - to be fair nobody I’ve spoken to intends to go back until restrictions ease whenever that may be 

cheap booze cheap fags roasting hot and empty swimming pools - life is shit but somebody got to do it

and infection rates a fifth of Edinburgh  on the coast at present 

 

[Gizmo]

25 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Before Covid I used to drive to work until I changed jobs in 2018 where I was based in the city centre and commuted by bus. 

 

I caught more colds and bugs from that time until lockdown from all the sick people travelling to work and spreading their germs on the bus.  Face masks on public transport should probably be retained to muzzle these sick people.

There's definitely nothing worse than sitting on a train with someone behind you spluttering, dripping and sneezing all over the shop. Perhaps more widespread working from home post-pandemic will mean folk can stay home when unwell - that's what drives a lot of people to travel with colds etc. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

56 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

That and the halfwits who think as long as they are outside then social distancing and face masks aren't needed.

 

You really can't fix stupid people.

Why would you wear a face mask outside? I'm sure it was Linda Bauld that said it's only 1 in 1000 cases that are attributed to infection outdoors.  

[TheOak88]

The Herald on Sunday with a big piece today. £500M worth of contracts handed out by ScotGov in relation to CV. Many of which involved no tender process and given to companies which had no history of providing the services to which the contract related to. 

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Why would you wear a face mask outside? I'm sure it was Linda Bauld that said it's only 1 in 1000 cases that are attributed to infection outdoors.  

 

So I can sing the famine song

[3fingersreid]

49 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Before Covid I used to drive to work until I changed jobs in 2018 where I was based in the city centre and commuted by bus. 

 

I caught more colds and bugs from that time until lockdown from all the sick people travelling to work and spreading their germs on the bus.  Face masks on public transport should probably be retained to muzzle these sick people.

A few years back I ended up in hospital with a throat infection called Quinsey, absolutely horrific , doctor reckoned I’d caught it from handling money then touching my mouth , she recommended hand sanitiser , I’ve used it ever since and kept my hands well away from my face 

[frankblack]

36 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Why would you wear a face mask outside? I'm sure it was Linda Bauld that said it's only 1 in 1000 cases that are attributed to infection outdoors.  

 

Because you can go into a crowd (e.g. at pedestrian crossing) and the ****wits around you will not care about social distancing.

 

Scientific advice specifically states that you can catch the virus outside when close to an infected person, and it seems this Indian variant is more contagious.

Edited June 6, 2021 by frankblack

[frankblack]

40 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

There's definitely nothing worse than sitting on a train with someone behind you spluttering, dripping and sneezing all over the shop. Perhaps more widespread working from home post-pandemic will mean folk can stay home when unwell - that's what drives a lot of people to travel with colds etc. 

 

I certainly hope so.

 

Pre-pandemic some people felt compelled to go into work when feeling terrible.

[manaliveits105]

36 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

The Herald on Sunday with a big piece today. £500M worth of contracts handed out by ScotGov in relation to CV. Many of which involved no tender process and given to companies which had no history of providing the services to which the contract related to. 

Bloody toooooaries !

[TheOak88]

8 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Bloody toooooaries !

 

It does look a bit hypocritical given the  rightly outrage about Tory cronyism. 

[kila]

48 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

The Herald on Sunday with a big piece today. £500M worth of contracts handed out by ScotGov in relation to CV. Many of which involved no tender process and given to companies which had no history of providing the services to which the contract related to. 

 

Curious if any were given to companies tied to their friends or family though like the current Eton buddies Tory party... 

 

It is to be expected there were companies with no history of providing those services such as PPE though. There was a shortage and a call for help was shouted which companies answered and offered their manufacturing facilities to make PPE etc.

 

But yes, this does need combed through to make sure of no corruption by the ScotGov.

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by kila

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Why would you wear a face mask outside? I'm sure it was Linda Bauld that said it's only 1 in 1000 cases that are attributed to infection outdoors.  

Exactly Enzo. I get about 2 steps outside a shops exit before the mask is ripped off and I'm breathing in fresh air

[Enzo Chiefo]

31 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Because you can go into a crowd (e.g. at pedestrian crossing) and the ****wits around you will not care about social distancing.

 

Scientific advice specifically states that you can catch the virus outside when close to an infected person, and it seems this Indian variant is more contagious.

You won't pick it up by walking past or standing next ro someone. I've stopped at numerous service stations across the UK during the last 10 days and there is no social distancing whatsoever.  The only difference is that most people are wearing masks. Along with half the country, I've been double jabbed and don't give the 2m rule a second thought tbh. You don't invade someone's personal space in the same way as prepandemic. 

I would seriously take most of what we are told by govts and their unelected, unaccountable boffins about transmissibility rates, with a large dose of salt. Hospitals have very few Covid patients and there are hardly any "with Covid" deaths. 

[TheOak88]

27 minutes ago, kila said:

 

Curious if any were given to companies tied to their friends or family though like the current Eton buddies Tory party... 

 

It is to be expected there were companies with no history of providing those services such as PPE though. There was a shortage and a call for help was shouted which companies answered and offered their manufacturing facilities to make PPE etc.

 

But yes, this does need combed through to make sure of no corruption by the ScotGov.

 

 

One of the contracts I believe was a SNP donor. Someone who had also provided services during the 2014 Indy campaign, so it does look like there was an element of cronyism involved in at least some of the contracts. 

 

Apparently its the Good Law Group who are looking into it (the same group who have sought to bring legal action against the Tories for similar practices).

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, TheOak88 said:

 

One of the contracts I believe was a SNP donor. Someone who had also provided services during the 2014 Indy campaign, so it does look like there was an element of cronyism involved in at least some of the contracts. 

 

Apparently its the Good Law Group who are looking into it (the same group who have sought to bring legal action against the Tories for similar practices).

 

Here's hoping they're thorough in their investigation

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, TheOak88 said:

The Herald on Sunday with a big piece today. £500M worth of contracts handed out by ScotGov in relation to CV. Many of which involved no tender process and given to companies which had no history of providing the services to which the contract related to. 

600k worth of donations seem to be misplaced 

 

Nicola Sturgeon's husband refunded money to ex-SNP member as donations scandal row deepens - Daily Record

[frankblack]

38 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

You won't pick it up by walking past or standing next ro someone. I've stopped at numerous service stations across the UK during the last 10 days and there is no social distancing whatsoever.  The only difference is that most people are wearing masks. Along with half the country, I've been double jabbed and don't give the 2m rule a second thought tbh. You don't invade someone's personal space in the same way as prepandemic. 

I would seriously take most of what we are told by govts and their unelected, unaccountable boffins about transmissibility rates, with a large dose of salt. Hospitals have very few Covid patients and there are hardly any "with Covid" deaths. 

 

On what scientific evidence do you base that claim?  Anecdotal evidence from your own experience doesn't count.

 

Your attempt to downplay the scientific evidence is not backed up by any evidence either other than by blogs you have read by discredited anti-vaxers.

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

That and the halfwits who think as long as they are outside then social distancing and face masks aren't needed.

 

You really can't fix stupid people.

In think in this instance the half wits are probably right. Or in the terminology of the experts could be or may be or might be right.

Our old mate Prof Ferguson of Imperial College went on Radio 4 yesterday  to say that the Delta variant (aka the Indian Variant as every report of course explains) could be 30% to 60% more transmissable than the original virus. That is a huge range  but even that has to be qualified by "could be". Or in other words might not be.

[Francis Albert]

4 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

On what scientific evidence do you base that claim?  Anecdotal evidence from your own experience doesn't count.

 

Your attempt to downplay the scientific evidence is not backed up by any evidence either other than by blogs you have read by discredited anti-vaxers.

I have not seen any scientific evidence to support the belief that walking past someone on the street transmits the virus or any variant. 

[frankblack]

9 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I have not seen any scientific evidence to support the belief that walking past someone on the street transmits the virus or any variant. 

 

Transmission is via the virus being airbourne so it only takes someone around you to shout, cough, etc to send it your direction.  The risk is reduced outdoors, but still exists. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55680305

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-coronavirus-rare-impossible.html

 

Its harder to collate information on cases outdoors, I guess because there is less data, and the data is harder to draw definite conclusions unless you can group people together at given places and times.

[Francis Albert]

17 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Transmission is via the virus being airbourne so it only takes someone around you to shout, cough, etc to send it your direction.  The risk is reduced outdoors, but still exists. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55680305

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-coronavirus-rare-impossible.html

 

Its harder to collate information on cases outdoors, I guess because there is less data, and the data is harder to draw definite conclusions unless you can group people together at given places and times.

Thanks. So the scientific evidence amounts to saying transmission by walking past someone on the street is not impossible.

And there is not a single proven case of this happening.

Yet I still see people recoiling in fear as I walk past them if I don't have a mask on. Or even if I do. The evidence of psychological damage seems clear enough.

[Fitzroy Pointon]

Just now, Francis Albert said:

Thanks. So the scientific evidence amounts to saying transmission by walking past someone on the street is not impossible.

And there is not a single proven case of this happening.

Yet I still see people recoiling in fear as I walk past them if I don't have a mask on. Or even if I do. The evidence of psychological damage seems clear enough.

 

It's okay, they're focusing on the teenagers now. It's all their fault and they should all get the vaccine or they'll kill their grannies. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

49 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

In think in this instance the half wits are probably right. Or in the terminology of the experts could be or may be or might be right.

Our old mate Prof Ferguson of Imperial College went on Radio 4 yesterday  to say that the Delta variant (aka the Indian Variant as every report of course explains) could be 30% to 60% more transmissable than the original virus. That is a huge range  but even that has to be qualified by "could be". Or in other words might not be.

 

I read Professor philanderer said on Friday or thereabouts 40%-100% more transmissible. He'd be as well just saying 0-100% more transmissible. At least he'd be in the ballpark for once. The man's a charlatan and should not be getting listened to.