Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 7 June 2021

Summary

• 641 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-134; up from 490 a week ago]
• 16,192 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-4,483]
  • 4.2% of these were positive [+0.2%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [=]
• 12 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 4 from Friday]
• 122 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 6 from Friday]
• 3,386,321 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,251,259 have received their second dose [+20,542; +23,766]

[Harry Potter]

5 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

Snap, although got to go to GP for minor issue that may scupper it if I get antibiotics!

Hope it goes well at the docs.

[redjambo]

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			96	93	+3		89	84	77	71	68	...	22
Clackmannanshire	2	4	211	194	+17		169	126	97	78	54	...	14
Dundee City	2	4	206	190	+16		169	149	127	111	108	...	13
South Ayrshire	2	4	178	180	-2		169	166	148	135	119	...	25
Edinburgh City	2	4	172	166	+6		151	138	127	114	95	...	27
Angus	1	4	160	148	+12		132	107	59	40	40	...	7
Glasgow City	2	4	157	157	0		153	148	136	131	135	...	33
Midlothian	2	3	142	118	+24		121	100	88	85	88	...	10
East Ayrshire	2	3	138	136	+2		122	112	98	77	70	...	45
Renfrewshire	2	3	128	125	+3		123	134	146	142	152	...	20
East Renfrewshire	2	3	117	135	-18		143	154	162	171	171	...	24
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	111	108	+3		99	101	93	83	75	...	51
Perth & Kinross	1	3	96	82	+14		74	57	47	39	41	...	22
South Lanarkshire	2	3	86	85	+1		85	79	81	74	79	...	18
West Lothian	1	3	82	73	+9		63	55	45	34	35	...	26
North Lanarkshire	2	3	80	82	-2		81	83	86	86	83	...	40
Stirling	2	3	80	83	-3		85	81	74	69	66	...	11
North Ayrshire	2	3	74	77	-3		78	81	83	66	59	...	17
East Lothian	1	3	71	63	+8		60	55	45	29	27	...	5
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	69	66	+3		61	58	44	33	31	...	28
Falkirk	1	3	51	51	0		54	52	53	50	44	...	23
Fife	1	3	51	49	+2		51	49	44	42	44	...	32
Aberdeen City	1	2	38	34	+4		28	24	18	18	14	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	31	28	+3		23	18	9	9	8	...	6
Highland	1 / 0	2	29	31	-2		37	45	42	36	33	...	9
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	24	14	+10		12	9	7	8	9	...	19
Inverclyde	1	2	22	26	-4		24	31	30	32	31	...	15
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	1	19	20	-1		12	15	19	17	15	...	7
Aberdeenshire	1	1	18	15	+3		12	12	11	8	9	...	8
Moray	1	1	17	17	0		17	14	14	9	11	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	13	4	0	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	0	1	9	9	0		9	9	4	4	0	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	7	7	0		7	7	4	4	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			23693	23145	+548		22720	22305	22159	21710	22055	...	18484
Cases			751	730	+21		694	654	604	551	533	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.4	3.4	0.0		3.3	3.1	2.9	2.7	2.6	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.3	-0.2		1.3	1.1	1.1	0.6	0.4	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			48884	48033	+851		47745	47074	46620	46128	46135	...	45346
1st Dose			19312	18781	+531		18582	18565	18715	18647	18418	...	6677
2nd Dose			29572	29252	+320		29163	28509	27905	27481	27717	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			122	112	+10		111	116	110	114	106	...	65
Non-ICU			110	102	+8		103	108	102	104	96	...	54
ICU			12	10	+2		8	8	8	10	10	...	11

[Governor Tarkin]

Pishing all over the Weegies now.

 

 

[manaliveits105]

I ask again have mass vaccinations of over 18s like they did in the weeg started yet ?

[Brighton Jambo]

12 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			96	93	+3		89	84	77	71	68	...	22
Clackmannanshire	2	4	211	194	+17		169	126	97	78	54	...	14
Dundee City	2	4	206	190	+16		169	149	127	111	108	...	13
South Ayrshire	2	4	178	180	-2		169	166	148	135	119	...	25
Edinburgh City	2	4	172	166	+6		151	138	127	114	95	...	27
Angus	1	4	160	148	+12		132	107	59	40	40	...	7
Glasgow City	2	4	157	157	0		153	148	136	131	135	...	33
Midlothian	2	3	142	118	+24		121	100	88	85	88	...	10
East Ayrshire	2	3	138	136	+2		122	112	98	77	70	...	45
Renfrewshire	2	3	128	125	+3		123	134	146	142	152	...	20
East Renfrewshire	2	3	117	135	-18		143	154	162	171	171	...	24
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	111	108	+3		99	101	93	83	75	...	51
Perth & Kinross	1	3	96	82	+14		74	57	47	39	41	...	22
South Lanarkshire	2	3	86	85	+1		85	79	81	74	79	...	18
West Lothian	1	3	82	73	+9		63	55	45	34	35	...	26
North Lanarkshire	2	3	80	82	-2		81	83	86	86	83	...	40
Stirling	2	3	80	83	-3		85	81	74	69	66	...	11
North Ayrshire	2	3	74	77	-3		78	81	83	66	59	...	17
East Lothian	1	3	71	63	+8		60	55	45	29	27	...	5
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	69	66	+3		61	58	44	33	31	...	28
Falkirk	1	3	51	51	0		54	52	53	50	44	...	23
Fife	1	3	51	49	+2		51	49	44	42	44	...	32
Aberdeen City	1	2	38	34	+4		28	24	18	18	14	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	31	28	+3		23	18	9	9	8	...	6
Highland	1 / 0	2	29	31	-2		37	45	42	36	33	...	9
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	24	14	+10		12	9	7	8	9	...	19
Inverclyde	1	2	22	26	-4		24	31	30	32	31	...	15
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	1	19	20	-1		12	15	19	17	15	...	7
Aberdeenshire	1	1	18	15	+3		12	12	11	8	9	...	8
Moray	1	1	17	17	0		17	14	14	9	11	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	13	4	0	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	0	1	9	9	0		9	9	4	4	0	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	7	7	0		7	7	4	4	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			23693	23145	+548		22720	22305	22159	21710	22055	...	18484
Cases			751	730	+21		694	654	604	551	533	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.4	3.4	0.0		3.3	3.1	2.9	2.7	2.6	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.3	-0.2		1.3	1.1	1.1	0.6	0.4	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			48884	48033	+851		47745	47074	46620	46128	46135	...	45346
1st Dose			19312	18781	+531		18582	18565	18715	18647	18418	...	6677
2nd Dose			29572	29252	+320		29163	28509	27905	27481	27717	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			122	112	+10		111	116	110	114	106	...	65
Non-ICU			110	102	+8		103	108	102	104	96	...	54
ICU			12	10	+2		8	8	8	10	10	...	11

So since 1st May ICU is essentially as was and hospital numbers have only gone up by 66 despite a huge amount of unlocking in that period.  We need to move on now.  

[DETTY29]

10 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

I ask again have mass vaccinations of over 18s like they did in the weeg started yet ?

Easier to do 1 or 2 areas Glasgow pockets (metro) and Moray (rural-ish) than now what now looks like much of the country.

Edited June 7, 2021 by DETTY29

[Nucky Thompson]

9 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

I ask again have mass vaccinations of over 18s like they did in the weeg started yet ?

The Army have been drafted into the Lothians to help with vaccinations 

[The Real Maroonblood]

24 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			96	93	+3		89	84	77	71	68	...	22
Clackmannanshire	2	4	211	194	+17		169	126	97	78	54	...	14
Dundee City	2	4	206	190	+16		169	149	127	111	108	...	13
South Ayrshire	2	4	178	180	-2		169	166	148	135	119	...	25
Edinburgh City	2	4	172	166	+6		151	138	127	114	95	...	27
Angus	1	4	160	148	+12		132	107	59	40	40	...	7
Glasgow City	2	4	157	157	0		153	148	136	131	135	...	33
Midlothian	2	3	142	118	+24		121	100	88	85	88	...	10
East Ayrshire	2	3	138	136	+2		122	112	98	77	70	...	45
Renfrewshire	2	3	128	125	+3		123	134	146	142	152	...	20
East Renfrewshire	2	3	117	135	-18		143	154	162	171	171	...	24
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	111	108	+3		99	101	93	83	75	...	51
Perth & Kinross	1	3	96	82	+14		74	57	47	39	41	...	22
South Lanarkshire	2	3	86	85	+1		85	79	81	74	79	...	18
West Lothian	1	3	82	73	+9		63	55	45	34	35	...	26
North Lanarkshire	2	3	80	82	-2		81	83	86	86	83	...	40
Stirling	2	3	80	83	-3		85	81	74	69	66	...	11
North Ayrshire	2	3	74	77	-3		78	81	83	66	59	...	17
East Lothian	1	3	71	63	+8		60	55	45	29	27	...	5
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	69	66	+3		61	58	44	33	31	...	28
Falkirk	1	3	51	51	0		54	52	53	50	44	...	23
Fife	1	3	51	49	+2		51	49	44	42	44	...	32
Aberdeen City	1	2	38	34	+4		28	24	18	18	14	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	31	28	+3		23	18	9	9	8	...	6
Highland	1 / 0	2	29	31	-2		37	45	42	36	33	...	9
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	24	14	+10		12	9	7	8	9	...	19
Inverclyde	1	2	22	26	-4		24	31	30	32	31	...	15
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	1	19	20	-1		12	15	19	17	15	...	7
Aberdeenshire	1	1	18	15	+3		12	12	11	8	9	...	8
Moray	1	1	17	17	0		17	14	14	9	11	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	13	4	0	0	...	0
Orkney Islands	0	1	9	9	0		9	9	4	4	0	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	7	7	0		7	7	4	4	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	1 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			23693	23145	+548		22720	22305	22159	21710	22055	...	18484
Cases			751	730	+21		694	654	604	551	533	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.4	3.4	0.0		3.3	3.1	2.9	2.7	2.6	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.3	-0.2		1.3	1.1	1.1	0.6	0.4	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			48884	48033	+851		47745	47074	46620	46128	46135	...	45346
1st Dose			19312	18781	+531		18582	18565	18715	18647	18418	...	6677
2nd Dose			29572	29252	+320		29163	28509	27905	27481	27717	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			122	112	+10		111	116	110	114	106	...	65
Non-ICU			110	102	+8		103	108	102	104	96	...	54
ICU			12	10	+2		8	8	8	10	10	...	11

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[frankblack]

22 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

I ask again have mass vaccinations of over 18s like they did in the weeg started yet ?

 

The clowncil is only interested in spaces for people, not anything actually to help with Covid.

[DETTY29]

18 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

The Army have been drafted into the Lothians to help with vaccinations 

From having something like 9k*  trained vaccinators to needing 63 army personnel doesn't seem to be the right balance when I very much doubt anything like that number of vaccinators are in use.

 

I suppose many of them are back at their own work whether it be full time, can't commit the time anymore, find the centres too far to get to, not paid enough or whatever.

 

*across all Scotland not just Lothian, Lanarkshire.

Edited June 7, 2021 by DETTY29

[Malinga the Swinga]

8 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

The clowncil is only interested in spaces for people, not anything actually to help with Covid.

They asked for registrations a couple of weeks ago but no actual vaccinations yet.

LHB are run by overpaid underworked management who struggle with anything out their comfort zone.

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Stewie Griffin said:

It was around a week after his second jab ( AstraZeneca ). 

All the best to your brother-in-law and I hope he makes a quick recovery.

[theshed]

3 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Is there stats anywhere of hospitalisation of people who have and have not had a vaccine?

These are rough figures but on the news yesterday it said of the 123 who had went into hospital last Friday that 90 had not had a vaccine, 30 had been giving one jag and 3 people had been giving two jags 

 

As I said that was roughly from what I can mind and was main UK news 

[Beni]

2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

Pishing all over the Weegies now.

 

 

 

Not good.

 

[Francis Albert]

5 hours ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 7 June 2021

Summary

• 641 new cases of COVID-19 reported [-134; up from 490 a week ago]
• 16,192 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-4,483]
  • 4.2% of these were positive [+0.2%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [=]
• 12 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 4 from Friday]
• 122 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [up 6 from Friday]
• 3,386,321 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,251,259 have received their second dose [+20,542; +23,766]

I just wish we had a bit of context. How many non- Covid related deaths? How many non-Covid related in ICU? How many in hospital without recently confirmed Covid?

 

OK let me guess, Non- Covid deaths around 150 (that won't be far out).Occupied ICU units? 150? 200? (A guess). Occupied hospital beds? 2000? (a very conservative guess).

Edited June 7, 2021 by Francis Albert

[JimmyCant]

4 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

They asked for registrations a couple of weeks ago but no actual vaccinations yet.

LHB are run by overpaid underworked management who struggle with anything out their comfort zone.

They can’t make appointments until they have confirmed supply. That’s the way it’s worked since Day 1 irrespective of age group.you get about 14 days advance notice of supply numbers. All cohorts will have their first jab by end of July as per target. Every adult, including those who have fallen between the cracks will have had both by end of September. Two centres in Lothian are already being wound down. NHS Scotland has done a terrific job throughout the pandemic, including the biggest vaccination programme ever undertaken in such a short period. You Make a half decent point about the upper management but the folk at ground level are magnificent and get the job done despite incompetence and waste at the higher end.

Edited June 7, 2021 by JimmyCant

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

They can’t make appointments until they have confirmed supply. That’s the way it’s worked since Day 1 irrespective of age group.you get about 14 days advance notice of supply numbers. All cohorts will have their first jab by end of July as per target. Every adult, including those who have fallen between the cracks will have had both by end of September. Two centres in Lothian are already being wound down. NHS Scotland has done a terrific job throughout the pandemic, including the biggest vaccination programme ever undertaken in such a short period. You Make a half decent point about the upper management but the folk at ground level are magnificent and get the job done despite incompetence and waste at the higher end.

I agree those at the sharp end are doing a good job. It would be good if Scottish govt could explain why over 20's in England can register for appt while we in Edinburgh seem to be lagging behind. Very disappointing.

[Ray Gin]

10 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I agree those at the sharp end are doing a good job. It would be good if Scottish govt could explain why over 20's in England can register for appt while we in Edinburgh seem to be lagging behind. Very disappointing.

Over 18s in Scotland can register for an appointment. Those who register will be first in line for the age group and will start getting their jabs in the next couple of weeks.

https://www.studentinformation.gov.scot/coronavirus/self-registration

 

[Ray Gin]

Malta hits zero daily cases:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/country-europes-highest-vaccination-rate-no-new-covid-cases-152544454.html

 

 

[The Mighty Thor]

7 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Malta hits zero daily cases:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/country-europes-highest-vaccination-rate-no-new-covid-cases-152544454.html

 

 

Until the union jack beach shorts brigade rock up, then they'll be locked down til january

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Until the union jack beach shorts brigade rock up, then they'll be locked down til january

 

I'm not sure @Governor Tarkin's planning on Malta this year.

[The Mighty Thor]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

I'm not sure @Governor Tarkin's planning on Malta this year.

I had him down as gold budgie smugglers. 

 

We need more gold budgie smugglers IMO. 

[Victorian]

18 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Until the union jack beach shorts brigade rock up, then they'll be locked down til january

 

That would make the Maltese cross.

[Governor Tarkin]

22 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

24 minutes ago, redjambo said:

I'm not sure @Governor Tarkin's planning on Malta this year.

I had him down as gold budgie smugglers. 

 

We need more gold budgie smugglers IMO. 

 

As it happens I've just been trying on this year's beachwear (calm down, James). 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

That would make the Maltese cross.

 

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, jonesy said:

 

All very well posting that for shits and giggles, until the missus checks your search history. Then there's some explaining to do.

 

Least of my worries, jonesy. 

 

[milky_26]

33 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

All very well posting that for shits and giggles, until the missus checks your search history. Then there's some explaining to do.

more likely his wife will be asking why is he taking lots of football socks with him on holiday

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

As it happens I've just been trying on this year's beachwear (calm down, James). 

 

 

 

You certainly know how to bait someone ! I have tried to keep a low profile from this  thread  😂

Edited June 7, 2021 by JamesM48

[Jamhammer]

Had my 2nd jag yesterday at Ingliston. Big queues but that’s a pain in the arse AND a good thing.

Another step closer to getting to Canada to see the Bairn or her getting home

[Boab]

8 hours ago, Barack said:

Two week delay to "Freedom Day" going by reports in tomorrow's papers.

 

Want all over 50's double dosed & the time period between efficacy rates to be given a better chance for protective purposes.

 

Open up for School holidays. Fair enough. But not for some...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You would think they would have learned their lesson after U turning on just about every date last year.

That’s if they weren’t idiots though !

 

[Ron Burgundy]

10 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Until the union jack beach shorts brigade rock up, then they'll be locked down til january

Along with the Irish Weegies in their Sellick taps.

[JimmyCant]

11 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I agree those at the sharp end are doing a good job. It would be good if Scottish govt could explain why over 20's in England can register for appt while we in Edinburgh seem to be lagging behind. Very disappointing.

We’re ‘lagging behind’ by something like .07%.!!    There are population differences. Supply differences. Staffing differences. Logistical differences.

 

18-29 yo can register in Scotland as of 2 weeks ago and will start to be vaccinated en masse by the end of the month, (a small number have been done already) as per the targets the SG set out. Both England and Scotland will finish the main adult population more or less the same week. Scotland has a bit of rounding up to do of people who missed out for one reason or another. I imagine England has too.

 

[Victorian]

7 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I was listing to the radio this morning, LBDC, had Jeremy Hunt on talking about burnout in the NHS. Anyway during that he stated that of all the people in hospital with the Indian variant only 3 (it might have been 2) have been double dosed. So if nothing else looks like the vaccine is pretty good against the Indian variant. 
 

Should reassure people any delay to lifting of restrictions will be temporary till we get everyone jabbed up. 
 

Also sounds like kids are going to start being jabbed up soon, with some chattered 16-18 years will be jabbed up prior to return of school following summer break,

 

There is a shifting narrative towards vaccinating kids.  It should have been front and centre all along instead of pussyfooting around the issue.  The take up will suffer a lot due to the months of the perception being given that it wasn't necessary.  Far too much emphasis placed on the truth that children at at practically zero risk,  at the expense of the truth that children do fuel the epidemic.  The result will be many parents who emphasise the personal risk choice.

[Governor Tarkin]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Far too much emphasis placed on the truth that children at at practically zero risk,  at the expense of the truth that children do fuel the epidemic.

 

There was a time when folk were ridiculed for suggesting this.

 

If there's one thing I've taken from this whole shitshow, it's that there are no real grownups, and to a greater or lesser degree every ****er is just winging it.

[JimmyCant]

10 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

There was a time when folk were ridiculed for suggesting this.

 

If there's one thing I've taken from this whole shitshow, it's that there are no real grownups, and to a greater or lesser degree every ****er is just winging it.

I think what you take from this is that, in an emergency of this scale with no previous template to handle it, there have been massive deadly mistakes, most of them discovered in hindsight, some of them more obvious at the time but hesitancy cost lives on, along with massive successes, which saved lives. They key now is we have a future template, assuming an honest enquiry and assessment is done at the end of it all

[Ray Gin]

8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

The narrative has constantly been COVID is a ‘death’ risk to anyone irrespective of age and effects everyone equallyish.

 

That goes against all the messaging I've heard. At the televised briefings both the UK Gov and Scot Gov have said throughout that the elderly are most at risk but that anyone can be affected, although the risk to young people is low. I've never heard them claim equal risk.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

9 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

I think what you take from this is that, in an emergency of this scale with no previous template to handle it, there have been massive deadly mistakes, most of them discovered in hindsight, some of them more obvious at the time but hesitancy cost lives on, along with massive successes, which saved lives. They key now is we have a future template, assuming an honest enquiry and assessment is done at the end of it all

 

Yeh, winging it.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

The narrative has constantly been COVID is a ‘death’ risk to anyone irrespective of age and effects everyone equallyish. That’s was bollox and anyone who could read more than a few stats could figure that out. 
 

Pushing that narrative, has really been a mistake and was done to stoke fear and little more. 

 

If the want kids uptake to be high they need to reframe the narrative, it needs to be about something else. Whether that be about ‘herd immunity’ or ‘protecting the larger community’, similar that happens with flu vaccine and younger kids. Not killing granny is also not a good route to go down, especially by govts who actions have resulted in many needless deaths 
 

It should also be noted that children are much less likely to spread this disease or be seriously impacted. They are being hit by virtue of being reduced number of  people of the virus to spread about. So chat they are fuel epidemic is a bit disengenois, 
 

The govts have, understandably, manipulated the narrative for control purposes. A more open and honest conversation has been needed for a while but it hasn’t and won’t happen. 

 

No it isn't.  It is a contributing factor in the epidemic.  Do they spread virus around equally to adults?  It seems not.  It seems they are likely to be less infectious but not to a negligible degree.  

 

An opportunity exists to make the most of the armoury we currently possess.  I'm not sure why anyone would not wish to see the maximum coverage of immunisation over the shortest period of time.  Before we know it it will be time for the booster shots for the vulnerable groups again.  The maximum gain will be achieved by being a step ahead at every point... as routinely demonstrated by our unerring ability to remain a step behind at every point thus far.

 

Maybe we can't learn.  It could be an inherent flaw.

[Mysterion]

4 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

I think what you take from this is that, in an emergency of this scale with no previous template to handle it, there have been massive deadly mistakes, most of them discovered in hindsight, some of them more obvious at the time but hesitancy cost lives on, along with massive successes, which saved lives. They key now is we have a future template, assuming an honest enquiry and assessment is done at the end of it all

 

This is fair. 

 

Lets break down two things that happened due to the UK government lead by Boris and his cronies:

 

1. If we are honest the home nations have lucked out because of the gambling that was done on ordering vaccines. It should be acknowledged it could have all went wrong but we are in a position to help control and eradicate the virus.

 

2. It's arguable that when Boris and co continually screwed up by not closing air routes and imported the virus several times over causing thousands of deaths.

 

When we yin and yang around what Boris Johnson et al have done it's a real mind **** - on the one hand absolute shambles and lack of leadership, the other sweet sweet vaccine. 

[Taffin]

I joked about the vaccination of domestic pets on here a very long while ago in a black mirror-ish satirical sort of way.

 

Genuinely wouldn't surprise me now if that appears on the agenda in due course.

 

Re-open schools, no risk to kids, kids don't spread it to now we need to vaccinate kids.

 

I'd have so much more time for the 'science', our leaders and the press if they didn't make statements in such a factual fashion only to turn around in 3 or 4 months and reveal it was actually a load of bollocks. If they were wrong then, they could very well be wrong now. Fair play to them for hanging their hat on things rather than fence sitting but that's much easier to do when there's no push back from the public and the majority just take it at face value and say 'they are trying their best'.

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

We.ll need to agree to disagree. The push has been very much irrespective of age you can  die or be badly effected. We had the likes at Nicola Sturgeon reminding us at the end of the briefing reiterating that COVID effects everyone. There has be no nuance around the subject and has been designed to give a the view we are all at risk. 

 

 

 

They've definitely said it CAN affect everyone but they've always stressed that the elderly are the most at risk and that the risk to children is very low.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

We.ll need to agree to disagree. The push has been very much irrespective of age you can  die or be badly effected. We had the likes at Nicola Sturgeon reminding us at the end of the briefing reiterating that COVID effects everyone. There has be no nuance around the subject and has been designed to give a the view we are all at risk. 

 

 

You are right . Everyone was at risk apparently . Even if you weren’t “ at risk” your “ irresponsible “ and “ foolish” behaviours might “ kill your granny “ . Talk about a guilt trip 

[Ray Gin]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

You are right . Everyone was at risk apparently . Even if you weren’t “ at risk” your “ irresponsible “ and “ foolish” behaviours might “ kill your granny “ . Talk about a guilt trip 

 

So you agree they stressed the main risk was to the elderly.

[Boab]

34 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

There was a time when folk were ridiculed for suggesting this.

 

If there's one thing I've taken from this whole shitshow, it's that there are no real grownups, and to a greater or lesser degree every ****er is just winging it.

Of course, Gov, spot on.

People we’re ridiculed for it. The fact schools were back regardless of the level in any particular area, tells it’s own story. It’s all political. 
People knew they were being lied to but accepted it as education is more important than other facets of society.

Fair enough, just don’t tell us some old pony about transmission rates not applying to a certain age group. It’s shite ! 
They have a far less chance of getting badly ill but a virus doesn’t know if you’re 16 or 60.

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Agree with first part disagree with second. 

 

I don't agree with the first part in all honesty either. Can it affect everyone? It can in so far as everyone is affected by the reaction to it but I'm sure in terms of illness there is loads of people it doesn't affect at all either through a natural immunity or by being asymptomatic.

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

I don't agree with the first part in all honesty either. Can it affect everyone? It can in so far as everyone is affected by the reaction to it but I'm sure in terms of illness there is loads of people it doesn't affect at all either through a natural immunity or by being asymptomatic.

 

It can affect people of all ages, obviously they won't know how it affects them until they get it.

 

[Victorian]

8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Cool we agree 👍

 

 

Cool we agree that it's not disingenuous. 

 

[Victorian]

8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Cool we agree 👍

 

 

Cool we agree that it's not disingenuous. 

 

[Taffin]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

It can affect people of all ages, obviously they won't know how it affects them until they get it.

 

 

You're right in that until you get it you're a bit of a Schroedinger's cat as to which one you are but that's not the same as it being able to affect everyone when the data shows very clearly that it can't.

[Ray Gin]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

You're right in that until you get it you're a bit of a Schroedinger's cat as to which one you are but that's not the same as it being able to affect everyone when the data shows very clearly that it can't.

 

We're talking about age groups not individuals. It can affect people of all age groups. Although the elderly are most at risk and the risk for children is significantly lower. This has been the messaging throughout.