Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Has the Guardian been infiltrated?

Seems so , it won’t last 😂

11 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Government gave Covid contract to Dominic Cummings' friends unlawfully, High Court rules

Well knock me over with a feather 🪶 

[Don Dan]

8 minutes ago, jonesy said:

From the BBC...

Cruise ship not allowed to dock in Scotland

 

Cruise passengers touring the UK have been told they will not be allowed to get off the ship in Scotland due to the country's coronavirus restrictions.

The MSC Virtuosa's operator says it is blocked from entering the port of Greenock because the Scottish government says domestic cruises can only restart when restrictions in all of Scotland reach level one.

The Scottish Passenger Agents Association has confirmed today's scheduled stop in Greenock between 09:30 and 20:00 has been cancelled. 

The industry body says the situation means Scots on board the vessel are effectively "barred from setting foot in their own country". Passengers will not be able to get on the ship at Greenock either.

Even Scots on board were told to gtf. 
This decision is absolutely crazy. You drive, walk, bus, train, ferry, hitchhike or fly into Scotland but don’t come on a UK cruise ship. We don’t want your money our retail, tourist outlets  and restaurant trade are doing just fine thanks. 

[redjambo]

30 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Government gave Covid contract to Dominic Cummings' friends unlawfully, High Court rules

 

Well I never.

[redjambo]

11 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

In fairness why the **** would anyone want to go to Greenock.

 

To watch Hearts beat Morton.

[Governor Tarkin]

9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

In fairness why the **** would anyone want to go to Greenock.

 

An old mate of mine opened a small restaurant there not long before the pandemic struck. I hope it works out.

 

1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

Even Scots on board were told to gtf. 
This decision is absolutely crazy. You drive, walk, bus, train, ferry, hitchhike or fly into Scotland but don’t come on a UK cruise ship. We don’t want your money our retail, tourist outlets  and restaurant trade are doing just fine thanks. 

 

See above.

[Boab]

4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Even Scots on board were told to gtf. 
This decision is absolutely crazy. You drive, walk, bus, train, ferry, hitchhike or fly into Scotland but don’t come on a UK cruise ship. We don’t want your money our retail, tourist outlets  and restaurant trade are doing just fine thanks. 

It’s nuts !

Greenock is in Level 1 which is the level the Scots Gov would allow it to dock. They then say ah but the whole mainland needs to be in Level 1 for it to be allowed. The slight flaw in their batshit reasoning is in all areas of Scotland you are in a level where you can travel to anywhere in the UK. 
Unless you are on a boat seemingly.

 

They a making a proper James Hunt of themselves and most people know it, even your most fanatical Nat !

[Jambo-Jimbo]

13 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Even Scots on board were told to gtf. 
This decision is absolutely crazy. You drive, walk, bus, train, ferry, hitchhike or fly into Scotland but don’t come on a UK cruise ship. We don’t want your money our retail, tourist outlets  and restaurant trade are doing just fine thanks. 

 

Scots being banned from setting foot in their own country.

What makes it all the more crazy is that every person on board has had both doses of a vaccine and have all tested negative for covid.

 

[Boab]

46 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Government gave Covid contract to Dominic Cummings' friends unlawfully, High Court rules

Gove is now a criminal in the eyes of the law. Personally I’m shocked !

[Don Dan]

1 minute ago, Boab said:

Gove is now a criminal in the eyes of the law. Personally I’m shocked !

Nothing will happen. They bat it away with double speak and more lies. 

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Boab said:

Gove is now a criminal in the eyes of the law. Personally I’m shocked !

You'd struggle to find that from the headlines that it was Cummings wot done it. 

The supine media bending over backwards to protect the message yet again. 

[Ron Burgundy]

5 hours ago, jonesy said:

They only caved to the fan zone because otherwise UEFA would have KO'd Hampden as a venue. It's about prestige and publicity, not public health. I'll be surprised if we get reasonable numbers allowed at Tynecastle for next month.

I was at Newtongrange for a friendly V Arniston last night and it was compulsory for the 100 or so spectators to wear a mask the whole time they were in the ground. Absolutely mental.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 9 June 2021

Summary

• 1,011 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+316; up from 677 a week ago]
• 36,227 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+21,354]
  • 3.0% of these were positive [-2.0%]
• 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+1]
• 14 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+2]
• 121 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
• 3,422,431 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,313,695 have received their second dose [+18,565; +31,492]

[Taffin]

About 8 in 10 UK adults had Coronavirus antibodies by 17th May.

[connlach]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 9 June 2021

Summary

• 1,011 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+316; up from 677 a week ago]
• 36,227 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [+21,354]
  • 3.0% of these were positive [-2.0%]
• 1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+1]
• 14 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+2]
• 121 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
• 3,422,431 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,313,695 have received their second dose [+18,565; +31,492]

Thanks, I wonder when we will stop considering cases and change reporting just to hospitals and deaths.  In addition reporting hospital cases etc where it is a result of covid rather than someone who has another ailment and happen to have covid.  

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 minute ago, connlach said:

Thanks, I wonder when we will stop considering cases and change reporting just to hospitals and deaths.  In addition reporting hospital cases etc where it is a result of covid rather than someone who has another ailment and happen to have covid.  

Yes, I agree. Case numbers are not so important now and neither are daily updates tbh. 1000 cases today...will that be reported as a "surge" in cases or a 40% drop in the positivity rate?

There will always be hospital cases but they need context, as you point out.

Weekly reporting of hospital admissions and deaths is more than sufficient until the vaccine roll out is completed. In the meantime,  we have to keep taking regular steps towards removing remaining restrictions and restoring normality. 

[Harry Potter]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

In fairness why the **** would anyone want to go to Greenock.

To see the mighty Morton😏.

[redjambo]

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			7 Jun	6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			106	100	+6		96	93	89	84	77	...	22
Dundee City	2	4	243	226	+17		206	190	169	149	127	...	13
Clackmannanshire	2	4	206	202	+4		211	194	169	126	97	...	14
South Ayrshire	2	4	199	182	+17		178	180	169	166	148	...	25
Angus	1	4	182	167	+15		160	148	132	107	59	...	7
Edinburgh City	2	4	180	175	+5		172	166	151	138	127	...	27
Midlothian	2	4	172	158	+14		142	118	121	100	88	...	10
Glasgow City	2	4	164	157	+7		157	157	153	148	136	...	33
East Ayrshire	2	3	149	133	+16		138	136	122	112	98	...	45
Perth & Kinross	1	3	137	109	+28		96	82	74	57	47	...	22
Renfrewshire	2	3	133	130	+3		128	125	123	134	146	...	20
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	127	121	+6		111	108	99	101	93	...	51
East Renfrewshire	2	3	119	113	+6		117	135	143	154	162	...	24
West Lothian	1	3	103	87	+16		82	73	63	55	45	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	98	87	+11		69	66	61	58	44	...	28
North Ayrshire	2	3	96	83	+13		74	77	78	81	83	...	17
North Lanarkshire	2	3	96	90	+6		80	82	81	83	86	...	40
South Lanarkshire	2	3	95	92	+3		86	85	85	79	81	...	18
East Lothian	1	3	93	80	+13		71	63	60	55	45	...	5
Stirling	2	3	70	77	-7		80	83	85	81	74	...	11
Fife	1	3	58	54	+4		51	49	51	49	44	...	32
Falkirk	1	2	43	52	-9		51	51	54	52	53	...	23
Aberdeen City	1	2	40	42	-2		38	34	28	24	18	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	35	32	+3		31	28	23	18	9	...	6
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	30	25	+5		24	14	12	9	7	...	19
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	2	29	20	+9		19	20	12	15	19	...	7
Inverclyde	1	2	28	27	+1		22	26	24	31	30	...	15
Aberdeenshire	1	2	24	22	+2		18	15	12	12	11	...	8
Highland	1 / 0	2	22	26	-4		29	31	37	45	42	...	9
Moray	1	1	19	15	+4		17	17	17	14	14	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	17	17	13	4	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	4	4	0		7	7	7	7	4	...	0
Orkney Islands	0	1	4	9	-5		9	9	9	9	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			7 Jun	6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			24887	23462	+1425		23693	23145	22720	22305	22159	...	18484
Cases			830	782	+48		751	730	694	654	604	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.6	3.6	0.0		3.4	3.4	3.3	3.1	2.9	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.1	0.0		1.1	1.3	1.3	1.1	1.1	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			49098	49078	+20		48884	48033	47745	47074	46620	...	45346
1st Dose			19453	19511	-58		19312	18781	18582	18565	18715	...	6677
2nd Dose			29645	29567	+78		29572	29252	29163	28509	27905	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			121	121	0		122	112	111	116	110	...	65
Non-ICU			107	109	-2		110	102	103	108	102	...	54
ICU			14	12	+2		12	10	8	8	8	...	11

[Dazo]

23 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Anyone know how many ICU beds are in Scotland?

Getting a definite answer may be tricky but it seems to be around 170-190 in normal times but think we allowed up to 600 during the peak last year. 
 

20 minutes ago, connlach said:

Thanks, I wonder when we will stop considering cases and change reporting just to hospitals and deaths.  In addition reporting hospital cases etc where it is a result of covid rather than someone who has another ailment and happen to have covid.  

It won’t change because the fear they are trying to hold over the country to keep us wrapped up in cotton wool wouldn’t be the same. Every death is terrible, especially for the families involved but can you imagine them saying 10 people died in last week in Scotland who have had covid in the last 28 days. Doesn’t have the same ring to it as 1000 new cases today. 
 

With the amount of cases now does anyone actually think going to level 1 would make any difference ? I don’t see it. 

[connlach]

8 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			7 Jun	6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			106	100	+6		96	93	89	84	77	...	22
Dundee City	2	4	243	226	+17		206	190	169	149	127	...	13
Clackmannanshire	2	4	206	202	+4		211	194	169	126	97	...	14
South Ayrshire	2	4	199	182	+17		178	180	169	166	148	...	25
Angus	1	4	182	167	+15		160	148	132	107	59	...	7
Edinburgh City	2	4	180	175	+5		172	166	151	138	127	...	27
Midlothian	2	4	172	158	+14		142	118	121	100	88	...	10
Glasgow City	2	4	164	157	+7		157	157	153	148	136	...	33
East Ayrshire	2	3	149	133	+16		138	136	122	112	98	...	45
Perth & Kinross	1	3	137	109	+28		96	82	74	57	47	...	22
Renfrewshire	2	3	133	130	+3		128	125	123	134	146	...	20
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	127	121	+6		111	108	99	101	93	...	51
East Renfrewshire	2	3	119	113	+6		117	135	143	154	162	...	24
West Lothian	1	3	103	87	+16		82	73	63	55	45	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	98	87	+11		69	66	61	58	44	...	28
North Ayrshire	2	3	96	83	+13		74	77	78	81	83	...	17
North Lanarkshire	2	3	96	90	+6		80	82	81	83	86	...	40
South Lanarkshire	2	3	95	92	+3		86	85	85	79	81	...	18
East Lothian	1	3	93	80	+13		71	63	60	55	45	...	5
Stirling	2	3	70	77	-7		80	83	85	81	74	...	11
Fife	1	3	58	54	+4		51	49	51	49	44	...	32
Falkirk	1	2	43	52	-9		51	51	54	52	53	...	23
Aberdeen City	1	2	40	42	-2		38	34	28	24	18	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	35	32	+3		31	28	23	18	9	...	6
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	30	25	+5		24	14	12	9	7	...	19
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	2	29	20	+9		19	20	12	15	19	...	7
Inverclyde	1	2	28	27	+1		22	26	24	31	30	...	15
Aberdeenshire	1	2	24	22	+2		18	15	12	12	11	...	8
Highland	1 / 0	2	22	26	-4		29	31	37	45	42	...	9
Moray	1	1	19	15	+4		17	17	17	14	14	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	17	17	13	4	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	4	4	0		7	7	7	7	4	...	0
Orkney Islands	0	1	4	9	-5		9	9	9	9	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			7 Jun	6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			24887	23462	+1425		23693	23145	22720	22305	22159	...	18484
Cases			830	782	+48		751	730	694	654	604	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.6	3.6	0.0		3.4	3.4	3.3	3.1	2.9	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.1	0.0		1.1	1.3	1.3	1.1	1.1	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			49098	49078	+20		48884	48033	47745	47074	46620	...	45346
1st Dose			19453	19511	-58		19312	18781	18582	18565	18715	...	6677
2nd Dose			29645	29567	+78		29572	29252	29163	28509	27905	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			121	121	0		122	112	111	116	110	...	65
Non-ICU			107	109	-2		110	102	103	108	102	...	54
ICU			14	12	+2		12	10	8	8	8	...	11

This highlights the unsustainability of the levels.  It was only a few weeks ago Moray was left at level 3 and Angus are now level 1 despite the huge increase.  They are unable to react quick enough to these changes.  

Edited June 9, 2021 by connlach

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, connlach said:

This highlights the unsustainability of the levels.  It was only a few weeks ago Moray was left at level 3 and Angus are now level 1 despite the huge increase.  They are unable to react quick enough to these changes.  

 

Indeed. Within a matter of days after the most recent designations, the tiers were not reflecting reality.

[redjambo]

34 minutes ago, connlach said:

Thanks, I wonder when we will stop considering cases and change reporting just to hospitals and deaths.  In addition reporting hospital cases etc where it is a result of covid rather than someone who has another ailment and happen to have covid.  

 

Cases are still important to those who haven't managed to have the jab yet due to Long Covid (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1april2021 indicated that 13.7% of those surveyed experienced Long Covid symptoms), and of course for those who for medical reasons have not been able to have the jab.

 

The jabs are also not 100% effective so the case figure also gives folk who have an interest an idea of how prevalent the virus is in their area, allowing them to modify their behaviour accordingly if they so desire.

 

The cases are naturally not as important as hospitalisations and deaths now due to the breaking of the link, but it's always better to know what's going on than to make decisions in the dark, imo.

[Boab]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Thanks, useful was just trying to get a feel for the capacity at the moment. Whatever, way you want to cut it appears we are a long way of the NHS being overwhelmed. Over 50% of Scotland is double dosed and 75% (I think single dosed).

 

At what point do we make the decision to start returning to normal?

 

I genuinely don’t know the answer but it does feel at some point we’re going to have to make that, metaphoric, jump.

I think 75% for both jabs was the magic number, was it not ?

Not far off that.

[The Real Maroonblood]

29 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's trend stats:

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			7 Jun	6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			106	100	+6		96	93	89	84	77	...	22
Dundee City	2	4	243	226	+17		206	190	169	149	127	...	13
Clackmannanshire	2	4	206	202	+4		211	194	169	126	97	...	14
South Ayrshire	2	4	199	182	+17		178	180	169	166	148	...	25
Angus	1	4	182	167	+15		160	148	132	107	59	...	7
Edinburgh City	2	4	180	175	+5		172	166	151	138	127	...	27
Midlothian	2	4	172	158	+14		142	118	121	100	88	...	10
Glasgow City	2	4	164	157	+7		157	157	153	148	136	...	33
East Ayrshire	2	3	149	133	+16		138	136	122	112	98	...	45
Perth & Kinross	1	3	137	109	+28		96	82	74	57	47	...	22
Renfrewshire	2	3	133	130	+3		128	125	123	134	146	...	20
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	127	121	+6		111	108	99	101	93	...	51
East Renfrewshire	2	3	119	113	+6		117	135	143	154	162	...	24
West Lothian	1	3	103	87	+16		82	73	63	55	45	...	26
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	98	87	+11		69	66	61	58	44	...	28
North Ayrshire	2	3	96	83	+13		74	77	78	81	83	...	17
North Lanarkshire	2	3	96	90	+6		80	82	81	83	86	...	40
South Lanarkshire	2	3	95	92	+3		86	85	85	79	81	...	18
East Lothian	1	3	93	80	+13		71	63	60	55	45	...	5
Stirling	2	3	70	77	-7		80	83	85	81	74	...	11
Fife	1	3	58	54	+4		51	49	51	49	44	...	32
Falkirk	1	2	43	52	-9		51	51	54	52	53	...	23
Aberdeen City	1	2	40	42	-2		38	34	28	24	18	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	35	32	+3		31	28	23	18	9	...	6
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	30	25	+5		24	14	12	9	7	...	19
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	2	29	20	+9		19	20	12	15	19	...	7
Inverclyde	1	2	28	27	+1		22	26	24	31	30	...	15
Aberdeenshire	1	2	24	22	+2		18	15	12	12	11	...	8
Highland	1 / 0	2	22	26	-4		29	31	37	45	42	...	9
Moray	1	1	19	15	+4		17	17	17	14	14	...	65
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	17	17	13	4	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	4	4	0		7	7	7	7	4	...	0
Orkney Islands	0	1	4	9	-5		9	9	9	9	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			7 Jun	6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			24887	23462	+1425		23693	23145	22720	22305	22159	...	18484
Cases			830	782	+48		751	730	694	654	604	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.6	3.6	0.0		3.4	3.4	3.3	3.1	2.9	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.1	0.0		1.1	1.3	1.3	1.1	1.1	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			49098	49078	+20		48884	48033	47745	47074	46620	...	45346
1st Dose			19453	19511	-58		19312	18781	18582	18565	18715	...	6677
2nd Dose			29645	29567	+78		29572	29252	29163	28509	27905	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			121	121	0		122	112	111	116	110	...	65
Non-ICU			107	109	-2		110	102	103	108	102	...	54
ICU			14	12	+2		12	10	8	8	8	...	11

👍

[Ray Gin]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Thanks, useful was just trying to get a feel for the capacity at the moment. Whatever, way you want to cut it appears we are a long way of the NHS being overwhelmed. Over 50% of Scotland is double dosed and 75% (I think single dosed).

 

At what point do we make the decision to start returning to normal?

 

I genuinely don’t know the answer but it does feel at some point we’re going to have to make that, metaphoric, jump.

 

We should probably get at least all the over 50s double dosed before thinking about opening up further. No idea how far away from that we are.

 

[Boab]

Just now, Lord BJ said:

Was it? Not seen that.
 

I have people talk about data but not been prescriptive about what the data needs to see.
 

You don’t recall where that figure came from?

Think it was a figure given by someone on TV when asked when normality would be achievable. Sorry, can’t remember who it was.

[Boab]

6 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

We should probably get at least all the over 50s double dosed before thinking about opening up further. No idea how far away from that we are.

 

Can’t be far away. 50 year olds are getting their 2nd jabs in the coming two weeks.

[Ray Gin]

Just now, Boab said:

Can’t be far away. 50 year olds are getting their 2nd jabs in the coming two weeks.

 

Good stuff.

 

[Boab]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

Good stuff.

 

Only know that because her indoors got her 2nd blue envelope today.

[highlandjambo3]

23 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Sounds like it’ll be hardly worth going to if no booze 🥃 

Weegies will sneak booze 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

Anyone know how many ICU beds are in Scotland?

Enough to deal with covid . In actual fact a ward is now enough 

1 hour ago, connlach said:

Thanks, I wonder when we will stop considering cases and change reporting just to hospitals and deaths.  In addition reporting hospital cases etc where it is a result of covid rather than someone who has another ailment and happen to have covid.  

👍

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Yes, I agree. Case numbers are not so important now and neither are daily updates tbh. 1000 cases today...will that be reported as a "surge" in cases or a 40% drop in the positivity rate?

There will always be hospital cases but they need context, as you point out.

Weekly reporting of hospital admissions and deaths is more than sufficient until the vaccine roll out is completed. In the meantime,  we have to keep taking regular steps towards removing remaining restrictions and restoring normality. 

Agreed 

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

Getting a definite answer may be tricky but it seems to be around 170-190 in normal times but think we allowed up to 600 during the peak last year. 
 

It won’t change because the fear they are trying to hold over the country to keep us wrapped up in cotton wool wouldn’t be the same. Every death is terrible, especially for the families involved but can you imagine them saying 10 people died in last week in Scotland who have had covid in the last 28 days. Doesn’t have the same ring to it as 1000 new cases today. 
 

With the amount of cases now does anyone actually think going to level 1 would make any difference ? I don’t see it. 

Agreed . They will spin it out as long as possible and that includes the daily stats. They could really just have a “ breaking news “ item now and then if there was a “ surge “ or “ spike” but we seem to get “ breaking news” items every day 

50 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Thanks, useful was just trying to get a feel for the capacity at the moment. Whatever, way you want to cut it appears we are a long way of the NHS being overwhelmed. Over 50% of Scotland is double dosed and 75% (I think single dosed).

 

At what point do we make the decision to start returning to normal?

 

I genuinely don’t know the answer but it does feel at some point we’re going to have to make that, metaphoric, jump.

The NHS is far from being overwhelmed . Even the younger team with covid in hospital appear to be needing only minimal medical interventions 

[JudyJudyJudy]

16 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Weegies will sneak booze 

Good on them 

[highlandjambo3]

2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Scots being banned from setting foot in their own country.

What makes it all the more crazy is that every person on board has had both doses of a vaccine and have all tested negative for covid.

 

It is a bit bonkers……Cromarty port last year was expecting 151 cruise ships…..all cancelled as expected but, their website says they are concentrating on the 2021 schedule but no updates so far.  It’s the only east coast highland port able to take ships……massive attractions for Skye, Lochness, culloden battlefield, forts, whiskey tours etc…….usually hundreds of shore excursions every day but, not a peep about starting up.  Surly someone is planning something this year.

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

In fairness why the **** would anyone want to go to Greenock.

It is advertised by cruise companies as a gateway for day visits to Glasgow. 

 

But your question stands.

[redjambo]

48 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

75% just seems very high. I have heard that figure quoted for achieving herd immunity.

 

Over 50’s would make sense, that’s should be achieved in next couple of weeks🤞 
 

Would be nice to know thinking actually. 

 

Once we hit a vaccination number at that point, I assume theirs nothing to stop us lifting completely; with possibly some residual changes. 

 

The recent experiment in Brazil showed that herd immunity was achieved with 75% vaccination of the adult population.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/brazilian-town-experiment-shows-mass-vaccination-can-wipe-out-covid-19

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/06/americas/serrana-vaccination-experiment-intl-latam/index.html

 

Edit: My memory is getting crap -  75% not 80%. Also added links.

Edited June 9, 2021 by redjambo

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

 

It does, however, show the functionality of conditional formatting  

 

All manual I'm afraid on my end, hence the reason for the occasional mistake.

[theshed]

1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

We should probably get at least all the over 50s double dosed before thinking about opening up further. No idea how far away from that we are.

 

Got my letter today about my 2nd dose next Thursday and I’m 50.... I would consider myself as one of the last to get my first dose so that must be them coming to the end of the 2nd dose for 50 and over 

 

On a different note I got my first dose in Musselburgh and can nearly see the     Uni from my house but I’ve to go into Edinburgh this time 🤷‍♀️

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Boab said:

Can’t be far away. 50 year olds are getting their 2nd jabs in the coming two weeks.

Is it not open for walk-ins at all centres from Monday? Available for all over 50s who have not yet had 2nd jab??  I'm sure I read that this morning.

[redjambo]

From Travelling Tabby:

 

 

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

Old skool. Most of the time it takes me to produce the stats each day is spent keeping my slide rule well oiled (and that isn't a metaphor).

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

You got a link to this. 
 

Had a quick google but couldn’t find anything other than trial in Serrana. Which talks about 75% getting virus under control but not actually herd immunity. Also Brazil seem to be using the Coronavac which is about 50% effective (albeit that’s up for debate now). 
 

The effeciacy I assume has a impact on the figure to achieve herd immunity. As well as the demographics of population. 
 

The U.K. population is about 20% under 18, not sure how that factors into play. I think that was one of the reasons to vaccinate 12-18 was to get us over the threshold. 
 

Anyway only looking for link, the rest of ramble is me musing. 
 

 

See above, I revised the figure downwards to 75% due to my dodgy memory and provided a couple of links.

 

Muse away.

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Is it not open for walk-ins at all centres from Monday? Available for all over 50s who have not yet had 2nd jab??  I'm sure I read that this morning.

Yes I read this too ? 

[Boab]

9 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Is it not open for walk-ins at all centres from Monday? Available for all over 50s who have not yet had 2nd jab??  I'm sure I read that this morning.

Yea, sorry, people can walk in or wait for their blue envelope.

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Old skool. Most of the time it takes me to produce the stats each day is spent keeping my slide rule well oiled (and that isn't a metaphor).

 

[westbow]

27 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

The recent experiment in Brazil showed that herd immunity was achieved with 75% vaccination of the adult population.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/brazilian-town-experiment-shows-mass-vaccination-can-wipe-out-covid-19

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/06/americas/serrana-vaccination-experiment-intl-latam/index.html

 

Edit: My memory is getting crap -  75% not 80%. Also added links.

All depends on the variant. I posted this on Sunday from the Sunday Times:

Sunday Times comment on herd immunity.

 

“New variant, new danger
Our current rules on social distancing, combined with immunity in the population, might have been enough to control the original virus and even the more infectious Kent variant. Unfortunately, the Indian variant appears to be up to 70 per cent more infectious. This means it “out-competed” the Kent variant to become the dominant strain in Britain, which is why the weekly growth rate in Covid cases has risen in the past seven days from 13 per cent on May 22 to 35 per cent on May 29 with more than 4,000 cases a day.

Herd immunity is further away
The goal of governments wrestling with a pandemic is “herd immunity”, where so many people have protection the virus has nowhere to go. The safest way to get there is through vaccination.

Under the original Wuhan strain, one infected person passed it to three others: scientists say it had a natural R value of 3. If two out of those three people, or 67 per cent, are vaccinated or become immune through infection, the virus stops growing. This is called the “herd immunity threshold”.

The Kent variant was a third more transmissible, meaning one person gave it to four others. If the Indian variant is 50 per cent more transmissible again, one infected person would infect six others.

This means five out of six people, about 83 per cent, would need to be protected through vaccines or prior infection if we want the virus to die out. We are getting closer: the Office for National Statistics thinks that about 75 per cent of adults now have Covid antibodies. But because just 79 per cent of people are adults, we may need to vaccinate teenagers to reach population immunity. That is now firmly on the government’s agenda after the Pfizer vaccine was approved for children on Friday.”

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, westbow said:

All depends on the variant. I posted this on Sunday from the Sunday Times:

Sunday Times comment on herd immunity.

 

“New variant, new danger
Our current rules on social distancing, combined with immunity in the population, might have been enough to control the original virus and even the more infectious Kent variant. Unfortunately, the Indian variant appears to be up to 70 per cent more infectious. This means it “out-competed” the Kent variant to become the dominant strain in Britain, which is why the weekly growth rate in Covid cases has risen in the past seven days from 13 per cent on May 22 to 35 per cent on May 29 with more than 4,000 cases a day.

Herd immunity is further away
The goal of governments wrestling with a pandemic is “herd immunity”, where so many people have protection the virus has nowhere to go. The safest way to get there is through vaccination.

Under the original Wuhan strain, one infected person passed it to three others: scientists say it had a natural R value of 3. If two out of those three people, or 67 per cent, are vaccinated or become immune through infection, the virus stops growing. This is called the “herd immunity threshold”.

The Kent variant was a third more transmissible, meaning one person gave it to four others. If the Indian variant is 50 per cent more transmissible again, one infected person would infect six others.

This means five out of six people, about 83 per cent, would need to be protected through vaccines or prior infection if we want the virus to die out. We are getting closer: the Office for National Statistics thinks that about 75 per cent of adults now have Covid antibodies. But because just 79 per cent of people are adults, we may need to vaccinate teenagers to reach population immunity. That is now firmly on the government’s agenda after the Pfizer vaccine was approved for children on Friday.”

I think that’s also called “ changing the goal posts “ which has been the favourite pastime of both Govts through the pandemic . 

[westbow]

I read the Delta/Indian variant is appearing in Brazil, those guys cannae catch a break.

[milky_26]

2 minutes ago, westbow said:

I read the Delta/Indian variant is appearing in Brazil, those guys cannae catch a break.

and they are just about to host the copa america

[westbow]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I think that’s also called “ changing the goal posts “ which has been the favourite pastime of both Govts through the pandemic . 

Changing the variant more like. I wouldn't say the comment section of The Times is particularly known for being pro or anti lockdown.

Edited June 9, 2021 by westbow

[westbow]

2 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

and they are just about to host the copa america

Yeah, it's mental.

[westbow]

30 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Is it not open for walk-ins at all centres from Monday? Available for all over 50s who have not yet had 2nd jab??  I'm sure I read that this morning.

Got my 2nd on Tuesday at the EICC, hope they keep it well organised. Was a breeze at Gracemount last time.