Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

It was more about the narrative the govts were pushing as opposed to the actual ‘truth’  we were discussing. 
 

I don’t  necessarily disagree with post albeit I think we’re maybe getting into the world of semantics. 

 

I think semantics are very important though when it comes to narrative and whether what you are sharing is scare-mongering or making people aware of risk.

 

The narrative of it can effect everyone is scare-mongering.

 

A narrative of even though it's unlikely, it could affect you so be careful is true and as such an accurate and as such fair narrative. It's still playing on fear but it's at least true.

[inspector]

Wife and l received our second jags yesterday. Our appointment time was 11:28 however we turned up at 11:25. Both jabbed and out the door at 11.27. No queues, no fuss, very efficient from Tain Medical Centre

[Taffin]

9 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

We're talking about age groups not individuals. It can affect people of all age groups. Although the elderly are most at risk and the risk for children is significantly lower. This has been the messaging throughout.

 

 

Sorry, I thought you were talking about everyone. 

 

I agree with the above, but what they often failed to include was context around younger people who were getting bad outcomes. Such as;

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/severe-covid-in-young-people-can-mostly-be-explained-by-obesity-new-study-159072

 

Edit: this begs the question, if improved health outcomes were the goal, why did they only focus on the risk rather than saying 'but don't panic, there's a free and very easy way for younger people to cut their risk dramatically'. That's not a narrative that sells papers, drives clicks or suppresses young people to follow your rules would be my guess.

Edited June 8, 2021 by Taffin

[Ray Gin]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

Sorry, I thought you were talking about everyone. 

 

I agree with the above, but what they often failed to include was context around younger people who were getting bad outcomes. Such as;

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/severe-covid-in-young-people-can-mostly-be-explained-by-obesity-new-study-159072

 

Agree. While I heard obesity mentioned in the briefings it wasn't highlighted enough as a risk factor.

[Ron Burgundy]

I saw a guy with a lanyard on in a pub saying 'facemask exempt '.

I completely get why some folk would find wearing a mask difficult but if we are to believe the narrative that we are all still at risk and that the virus is still dangerous then surely there should be no exemption. No mask then no socialising. 

Personally I am not worried at all but it's clearly nonsense. Either there is a dangerous virus out there that requires face masks and social distancing or there isn't. A fecking lanyard seems enough to keep it at bay now.

[Stu_HMFC]

I got the pfizer 1st jag last Wednesday no side effect felt good. since Sunday morning my upper left arm and under armpit has been so itchy no redness or rash at all. last two nights I have been unable to have a sleep because of the itching. Has anyone experienced this ? I am waiting on a call back from the doctor to find out if this is a side effect and there is anything I can take for it or how long it lasts for. 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Stu_HMFC said:

I got the pfizer 1st jag last Wednesday no side effect felt good. since Sunday morning my upper left arm and under armpit has been so itchy no redness or rash at all. last two nights I have been unable to have a sleep because of the itching. Has anyone experienced this ? I am waiting on a call back from the doctor to find out if this is a side effect and there is anything I can take for it or how long it lasts for. 

 

 

Sounds like you have swollen lymph glands under your arm . It’s a natural reaction to an invading entity into your body . It’s not too concerning . Mind you I’m not a GP so I’d listen to him / her first and foremost . 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Totally agree, was a disgrace as is the absence of messaging around general looking after your own health and boosting your immune system. 
 

We should have so much more information on stuff people could do to minimise risks, a bit of focus on health, really would have been so beneficial and not just in relation to COVID. 
 

Instead we’ve been locked up stuffing are faces with takeaways and booze🙈

Because that doesn't fit the modern Govt narrative though Lord BJ. Nothing is the fault of the individual; if you're eating the wrong things, it's the supermarkets fault for placing tempting treats next to the till or advertising on TV. If you're obese, it's down to poverty or mental health issues or lack of opportunities.  If you don't exercise it's because of a lack of parks or sporting facilities or the cost of such facilities.

We need a huge shift in emphasis in this country from rights and entitlements to individual responsibility and what everyone can do to improve, even in a small way, their own situation. 

Back in the day at school, at Firrhill Centre of Academic Excellence, the cross country runs at PE always had a large dose of fat-shaming going on when the hefty kid was trailing at the back of the pack.😂

[Victorian]

Maximum vaccine coverage now while we have the tools to do it.  Vaccine stock and infrastructure and time.  Maximum coverage = maximum suppression = maximum economic activity = maximum non-covid NHS work done.  Clear the decks for the next phase of rolling out booster shots or updated vaccines to the elderly and other vulnerable groups ahead of winter.

 

 

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Because that doesn't fit the modern Govt narrative though Lord BJ. Nothing is the fault of the individual; if you're eating the wrong things, it's the supermarkets fault for placing tempting treats next to the till or advertising on TV. If you're obese, it's down to poverty or mental health issues or lack of opportunities.  If you don't exercise it's because of a lack of parks or sporting facilities or the cost of such facilities.

We need a huge shift in emphasis in this country from rights and entitlements to individual responsibility and what everyone can do to improve, even in a small way, their own situation. 

Back in the day at school, at Firrhill Centre of Academic Excellence, the cross country runs at PE always had a large dose of fat-shaming going on when the hefty kid was trailing at the back of the pack.😂

 

There's something to be said though for providing better facilities. When you go abroad the community exercise facilities are often streets ahead of ours and far easier to access in terms of locale and cost. This is also true of food too, good quality produce at affordable prices rather than badging it up as artisanal eggs from a local hen and charging a fortune. You're right though that people need to prioritise differently, spending your money on good food should be your first after a place to live. That's the strategic long term target; get Britain active and prioritising differently.

 

Short term though, when in the midst of a pandemic that disproportionately affects overweight people should have been telling folk to get out exercising, stop eating crap and try to shift some weight pronto. It should have been at every briefing, in every news report about younger people and hammered home. 

 

 

[Victorian]

18 minutes ago, jonesy said:

First vaccine taken this morning.

 

Side effects manifesting already. Either that, or my overindulgence with the Talker last night is kicking in.

 

Unthinking,  subservient,  sheep/prole.  

[Enzo Chiefo]

26 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

There's something to be said though for providing better facilities. When you go abroad the community exercise facilities are often streets ahead of ours and far easier to access in terms of locale and cost. This is also true of food too, good quality produce at affordable prices rather than badging it up as artisanal eggs from a local hen and charging a fortune. You're right though that people need to prioritise differently, spending your money on good food should be your first after a place to live. That's the strategic long term target; get Britain active and prioritising differently.

 

Short term though, when in the midst of a pandemic that disproportionately affects overweight people should have been telling folk to get out exercising, stop eating crap and try to shift some weight pronto. It should have been at every briefing, in every news report about younger people and hammered home. 

 

 

Absolutely, Taffin. I agree. For too long, our elite sports stars, Andy Murray, Peter Nicol, in Squash, have had to head down to England and/or overseas to find top level sports facilities.  

As you say, for basic exercise , abroad they have mini-gyms for community use in playgrounds, parks etc.

Thankfully, there appear to be several projects under construction at the moment,  including the new Meadowbank and an elite Tennis Centre up at the Oriam.

Completely agree with your comments about the briefings though. Instead of just ramping up fear and imploring everyone to hide away for months on end, the messaging should also have been geared towards making yourself less susceptible through weight loss, exercising and healthier eating. 

As I say though, pretending it's someone else's fault is much easier for politicians,  especially with an election round the corner and votes to be won.

[felix]

18 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Absolutely, Taffin. I agree. For too long, our elite sports stars, Andy Murray, Peter Nicol, in Squash, have had to head down to England and/or overseas to find top level sports facilities.  

As you say, for basic exercise , abroad they have mini-gyms for community use in playgrounds, parks etc.

Thankfully, there appear to be several projects under construction at the moment,  including the new Meadowbank and an elite Tennis Centre up at the Oriam.

Completely agree with your comments about the briefings though. Instead of just ramping up fear and imploring everyone to hide away for months on end, the messaging should also have been geared towards making yourself less susceptible through weight loss, exercising and healthier eating. 

As I say though, pretending it's someone else's fault is much easier for politicians,  especially with an election round the corner and votes to be won.

 

I think your last sentence is pretty much correct.

Saw an interview with an NHS consultant yesterday who thought the way we've dealt with the whole sh!tshow, has mostly been about politics and avoiding blame. 

 

[Don Dan]

33 minutes ago, Barack said:

You mean Talisker? Or your wife?

🤣

[Don Dan]

10 minutes ago, felix said:

the whole sh!tshow, has mostly been about politics and avoiding blame.

and money to your mates. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

6 hours ago, Jamhammer said:

Had my 2nd jag yesterday at Ingliston. Big queues but that’s a pain in the arse AND a good thing.

Another step closer to getting to Canada to see the Bairn or her getting home

 

Did you not get yours in your shoulder like everyone else? 

[redjambo]

2 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

I think what you take from this is that, in an emergency of this scale with no previous template to handle it, there have been massive deadly mistakes, most of them discovered in hindsight, some of them more obvious at the time but hesitancy cost lives on, along with massive successes, which saved lives. They key now is we have a future template, assuming an honest enquiry and assessment is done at the end of it all

 

Yes, but some of the mistakes, such as not controlling our borders sufficiently, thus allowing the virus and its variants to enter our population from outside, have been repeated again and again. I'm not sure we've learned our lesson on that one even now.

 

[westbow]

1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I saw a guy with a lanyard on in a pub saying 'facemask exempt '.

I completely get why some folk would find wearing a mask difficult but if we are to believe the narrative that we are all still at risk and that the virus is still dangerous then surely there should be no exemption. No mask then no socialising. 

Personally I am not worried at all but it's clearly nonsense. Either there is a dangerous virus out there that requires face masks and social distancing or there isn't. A fecking lanyard seems enough to keep it at bay now.

I had to deal with my first "I don't need a mask, I've had two vaccines" today. He was also a wee man syndrome scouse prick. I patiently had to tell him a) they aren't my rules, b) how are we meant to tell if you have had two vaccines anyway and  c) listen to your mask wearing wife.

[redjambo]

Just now, westbow said:

I had to deal with my first "I don't need a mask, I've had two vaccines" today. He was also a wee man syndrome scouse prick. I patiently had to tell him a) they aren't my rules, b) how are we meant to tell if you have had two vaccines anyway and  c) listen to your mask wearing wife.

 

How did it work out?

[westbow]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

How did it work out?

I kept cool, his wife told him to leave whilst she shopped on and bought stuff. He seethed like a bairn outside.

[redjambo]

2 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Agree. While I heard obesity mentioned in the briefings it wasn't highlighted enough as a risk factor.

 

In the early days of the pandemic we seemed to talk about it quite a bit, but then hardly at all.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Have ordered my lanyards now that I've been vaxxed. Less risk of a) catching it, and b) passing it on. Conscience clear.

 

Looking forward to doing the family shopping once again, if only to stop the wife spending vast amounts of shite on not very much.

 

You're going to hate me for saying it, but give it 2-3 weeks (3 preferably) before assuming that you're as fully covered as the jab will provide. It takes that long for your system to get its defences mustered correctly.

[redjambo]

8 minutes ago, westbow said:

I kept cool, his wife told him to leave whilst she shopped on and bought stuff. He seethed like a bairn outside.

 

Result then. Well handled.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Not at all, thanks for the tip (said the hooker to the leper). I've hesitated to wear a lanyard/badge until now due the unnecessary hassle, and I can deal with a mask for <5 mins. Will still carry a mask in case my travels take me through Hamilton. There's some boy there that pisses on folk, but apparently wearing a face mask means he only wets his own jeans or something.

 

Come on, admit it. You miss him, don't you?

[Boab]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Not at all, thanks for the tip (said the hooker to the leper). I've hesitated to wear a lanyard/badge until now due the unnecessary hassle, and I can deal with a mask for <5 mins. Will still carry a mask in case my travels take me through Hamilton. There's some boy there that pisses on folk, but apparently wearing a face mask means he only wets his own jeans or something.

😂

[Jamhammer]

37 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Did you not get yours in your shoulder like everyone else? 

I did wonder. Bit big for a needle too

[Ron Burgundy]

38 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Have ordered my lanyards now that I've been vaxxed. Less risk of a) catching it, and b) passing it on. Conscience clear.

 

Looking forward to doing the family shopping once again, if only to stop the wife spending vast amounts of shite on not very much.

Yip, the lanyards are doing what we were told the vaccine couldn't. Stop it being passed on or caught.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

Got a weekend booked for Chester next month...

 

 

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll get you to the hotel ok.

 

[Brighton Jambo]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll get you to the hotel ok.

 

This will be the scene when my daughter grows up and wants to go out at night.  Good luck to any future boyfriends….

[redjambo]

Just now, Brighton Jambo said:

This will be the scene when my daughter grows up and wants to go out at night.  Good luck to any future boyfriends….

 

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 8 June 2021

Summary

• 695 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+54; up from 478 a week ago]
• 14,873 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-1,319]
  • 5.0% of these were positive [+0.8%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [=]
• 12 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
• 121 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-1]
• 3,403,866 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,282,203 have received their second dose [+17,545; +30,944]

[redjambo]

The latest trend stats. Normally I'd update the comparison date at the right to 1 Jun, but given that 1 May was more or less as low as we managed to get before the cases started rising again, it will give us a good target to get back to.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			100	96	+4		93	89	84	77	71	...	22
Dundee City	2	4	226	206	+20		190	169	149	127	111	...	13
Clackmannanshire	2	4	202	211	-9		194	169	126	97	78	...	14
South Ayrshire	2	4	182	178	+4		180	169	166	148	135	...	25
Edinburgh City	2	4	175	172	+3		166	151	138	127	114	...	27
Angus	1	4	167	160	+7		148	132	107	59	40	...	7
Midlothian	2	4	158	142	+16		118	121	100	88	85	...	10
Glasgow City	2	4	157	157	0		157	153	148	136	131	...	33
East Ayrshire	2	3	133	138	-5		136	122	112	98	77	...	45
Renfrewshire	2	3	130	128	+2		125	123	134	146	142	...	20
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	121	111	+10		108	99	101	93	83	...	51
East Renfrewshire	2	3	113	117	-4		135	143	154	162	171	...	24
Perth & Kinross	1	3	109	96	+13		82	74	57	47	39	...	22
South Lanarkshire	2	3	92	86	+6		85	85	79	81	74	...	18
North Lanarkshire	2	3	90	80	+10		82	81	83	86	86	...	40
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	87	69	+18		66	61	58	44	33	...	28
West Lothian	1	3	87	82	+5		73	63	55	45	34	...	26
North Ayrshire	2	3	83	74	+9		77	78	81	83	66	...	17
East Lothian	1	3	80	71	+9		63	60	55	45	29	...	5
Stirling	2	3	77	80	-3		83	85	81	74	69	...	11
Fife	1	3	54	51	+3		49	51	49	44	42	...	32
Falkirk	1	3	52	51	+1		51	54	52	53	50	...	23
Aberdeen City	1	2	42	38	+4		34	28	24	18	18	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	32	31	+1		28	23	18	9	9	...	6
Inverclyde	1	2	27	22	+5		26	24	31	30	32	...	15
Highland	1 / 0	2	26	29	-3		31	37	45	42	36	...	9
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	25	24	+1		14	12	9	7	8	...	19
Aberdeenshire	1	2	22	18	+4		15	12	12	11	8	...	8
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	2	20	19	+1		20	12	15	19	17	...	7
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	17	13	4	0	...	0
Moray	1	1	15	17	-2		17	17	14	14	9	...	65
Orkney Islands	0	1	9	9	0		9	9	9	4	4	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	4	7	-3		7	7	7	4	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			23462	23693	-231		23145	22720	22305	22159	21710	...	18484
Cases			782	751	+31		730	694	654	604	551	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.6	3.4	+0.2		3.4	3.3	3.1	2.9	2.7	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.1	0.0		1.3	1.3	1.1	1.1	0.6	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			49078	48884	+194		48033	47745	47074	46620	46128	...	45346
1st Dose			19511	19312	+199		18781	18582	18565	18715	18647	...	6677
2nd Dose			29567	29572	-5		29252	29163	28509	27905	27481	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			121	122	-1		112	111	116	110	114	...	65
Non-ICU			109	110	-1		102	103	108	102	104	...	54
ICU			12	12	0		10	8	8	8	10	...	11

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats. Normally I'd update the comparison date at the right to 1 Jun, but given that 1 May was more or less as low as we managed to get before the cases started rising again, it will give us a good target to get back to.

 

			7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	Tier	WHO	Today	Yesterday			6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	...	1 May
Scotland			100	96	+4		93	89	84	77	71	...	22
Dundee City	2	4	226	206	+20		190	169	149	127	111	...	13
Clackmannanshire	2	4	202	211	-9		194	169	126	97	78	...	14
South Ayrshire	2	4	182	178	+4		180	169	166	148	135	...	25
Edinburgh City	2	4	175	172	+3		166	151	138	127	114	...	27
Angus	1	4	167	160	+7		148	132	107	59	40	...	7
Midlothian	2	4	158	142	+16		118	121	100	88	85	...	10
Glasgow City	2	4	157	157	0		157	153	148	136	131	...	33
East Ayrshire	2	3	133	138	-5		136	122	112	98	77	...	45
Renfrewshire	2	3	130	128	+2		125	123	134	146	142	...	20
East Dunbartonshire	2	3	121	111	+10		108	99	101	93	83	...	51
East Renfrewshire	2	3	113	117	-4		135	143	154	162	171	...	24
Perth & Kinross	1	3	109	96	+13		82	74	57	47	39	...	22
South Lanarkshire	2	3	92	86	+6		85	85	79	81	74	...	18
North Lanarkshire	2	3	90	80	+10		82	81	83	86	86	...	40
West Dunbartonshire	1	3	87	69	+18		66	61	58	44	33	...	28
West Lothian	1	3	87	82	+5		73	63	55	45	34	...	26
North Ayrshire	2	3	83	74	+9		77	78	81	83	66	...	17
East Lothian	1	3	80	71	+9		63	60	55	45	29	...	5
Stirling	2	3	77	80	-3		83	85	81	74	69	...	11
Fife	1	3	54	51	+3		49	51	49	44	42	...	32
Falkirk	1	3	52	51	+1		51	54	52	53	50	...	23
Aberdeen City	1	2	42	38	+4		34	28	24	18	18	...	13
Scottish Borders	1	2	32	31	+1		28	23	18	9	9	...	6
Inverclyde	1	2	27	22	+5		26	24	31	30	32	...	15
Highland	1 / 0	2	26	29	-3		31	37	45	42	36	...	9
Dumfries & Galloway	1	2	25	24	+1		14	12	9	7	8	...	19
Aberdeenshire	1	2	22	18	+4		15	12	12	11	8	...	8
Argyll & Bute	1 / 0	2	20	19	+1		20	12	15	19	17	...	7
Shetland Islands	0	1	17	17	0		17	17	13	4	0	...	0
Moray	1	1	15	17	-2		17	17	14	14	9	...	65
Orkney Islands	0	1	9	9	0		9	9	9	4	4	...	0
Na h-Eileanan Siar	0	1	4	7	-3		7	7	7	4	4	...	0
7-day averages			Today	Yesterday			6 Jun	5 Jun	4 Jun	3 Jun	2 Jun	...	1 May
Tests			23462	23693	-231		23145	22720	22305	22159	21710	...	18484
Cases			782	751	+31		730	694	654	604	551	...	171
Positivity rate %			3.6	3.4	+0.2		3.4	3.3	3.1	2.9	2.7	...	1.1
Deaths			1.1	1.1	0.0		1.3	1.3	1.1	1.1	0.6	...	1.3
All Vaccinations			49078	48884	+194		48033	47745	47074	46620	46128	...	45346
1st Dose			19511	19312	+199		18781	18582	18565	18715	18647	...	6677
2nd Dose			29567	29572	-5		29252	29163	28509	27905	27481	...	38669
Daily data
All in hospital			121	122	-1		112	111	116	110	114	...	65
Non-ICU			109	110	-1		102	103	108	102	104	...	54
ICU			12	12	0		10	8	8	8	10	...	11

👍

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

👍

 

You realise that we've been doing this chart and thumbs-up daily for almost 7 months now (with a wee break of course when I took some time out from posting the charts on here)?

 

We're getting there now though.

[highlandjambo3]

54 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Got a weekend booked for Chester next month...

 

You must visit Chester zoo…..it’s fantastic…….best I’ve been to (including Berlin zoo).

[Brighton Jambo]

26 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Not a lot in the fish statement today. It appears vaccine is reducing transmission. Less numbers are being hospitalised now via COVID, 10% of new cases would need hospitalisation at Jan, that figure is now 5%. Circa 75% of first doses given to adult populations and 50% second doses. Overall seemed relatively positive and expect relaxation to continue as vaccinations continue.

 

Douglas Ross jumping on the soft play bandwagon and asking if parents will be allowed to see nursery graduations. I suspect a poster on here has speaking to Douglas Ross 😀

I may have contacted him….

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Barack said:

spreading their diseases in the caravan parks

 

But enough about @Nucky Thompson

 

26 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Douglas Ross jumping on the soft play bandwagon and asking if parents will be allowed to see nursery graduations.

 

 

Some prominent posters on this thread could do with a shot of Douglas Ross' humanity.

[JudyJudyJudy]

27 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

@jonesybreaks into top 4 posters on thread 

 

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 8 June 2021

Summary

• 695 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+54; up from 478 a week ago]
• 14,873 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-1,319]
  • 5.0% of these were positive [+0.8%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [=]
• 12 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [=]
• 121 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-1]
• 3,403,866 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,282,203 have received their second dose [+17,545; +30,944]

Isn’t the 5% test positivity a “threshold” of something?  I seem to remember that getting below that was important earlier in the year.

[CavySlaveJambo]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

Sunflower power.

Yeah. The sunflower lanyard being used for mask exemptions has created a major problem for people with hidden disabilities who need them. 

 

30 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Not a lot in the fish statement today. It appears vaccine is reducing transmission. Less numbers are being hospitalised now via COVID, 10% of new cases would need hospitalisation at Jan, that figure is now 5%. Circa 75% of first doses given to adult populations and 50% second doses. Overall seemed relatively positive and expect relaxation to continue as vaccinations continue.

I am really pissed off that areas which have Level 2 case rates are being kept in Level 1. It makes a mockery of the system. 

[CavySlaveJambo]

Just now, FWJ said:

Isn’t the 5% test positivity a “threshold” of something?  I seem to remember that getting below that was important earlier in the year.

Yeah. It means the epidemic is getting out of control again. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Yeah. The sunflower lanyard being used for mask exemptions has created a major problem for people with hidden disabilities who need them. 

 

I am really pissed off that areas which have Level 2 case rates are being kept in Level 1. It makes a mockery of the system. 

The system needs binned . Think the SG are now thinking along these lines. They are being realistic and pragmatic now . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Yeah. It means the epidemic is getting out of control again. 

12 in ICU no deaths in the whole of a Scotland ! “ getting out of control “ ? 

Edited June 8, 2021 by JamesM48

[Ron Burgundy]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

12 in ICU no deaths in the whole of a Scotland ! “ getting out of control “ ? 

Its the apocalypse. 

[Brighton Jambo]

3 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Its the apocalypse. 

This is the problem when we become fixated on case numbers.

[Mikey1874]

48 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

@jonesybreaks into top 4 posters on thread 

 

Wait till they've got all the  data on how great it is in Brazil. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Its the apocalypse. 

Sure is ! 

[westbow]

19 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

Yeah. The sunflower lanyard being used for mask exemptions has created a major problem for people with hidden disabilities who need them. 

 

I am really pissed off that areas which have Level 2 case rates are being kept in Level 1. It makes a mockery of the system. 

Hi Cavey, are you still confident about your florida trip in October? Not so sure myself.

[Mikey1874]

One of the headlines from today is the Health Secretary saying the Euro fan zone in Glasgow is 'low risk' due to reduced capacity, social distancing, no alcohol (hope everyone realises) and table service.

 

But I do think this highlights one of the mistakes of communications in that the event is outdoors. 

 

Its indoors where its pretty much all the risks are. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Its the apocalypse. 

It all depends on how one interprets and reacts to figures . We have been in level 2 for over 3 weeks now . On May 18th we had 0 deaths , 4 in ICU and 70 in hospital. Today 3 weeks on we have 0 deaths , 12 in ICU and 121 in hospital . This is not an alarming rise I would suggest . However others may view a “ 200% “ rise in ICU as “worrying “ and the “ apocalypse “ but when you see it as  the figure 12 one May view it with less alarm . Perspectives and all .