soonbe110 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Debut 4 said: Not sure I fully agree. Passing game isn’t a new thing(as you know). All you need to do is go and watch some old English first division matches with the best teams of the time and of course, some of our own football. Watched a game recently between Liverpool and Everton. (Around 1986,87) Incredible pace to the game, touch, passing, effort....it’s all there. Everyone pressed, it wasn’t a modern day thing. Then you watch some Hearts games. I call it variety. Hearts could go long but the touch, perception, anticipation and the way players dealt with the ball just isn’t there in players today, certainly in our league. I try to love football as it comes but there’s no chance Scottish football is as good as it used to be. Yes, Bob Shankly, a dinosaur manager even pre 80’s and 90’, was all about ‘pass and move’. Today’s top teams do exactly that, Barca, City, Liverpool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Ross and Robinson have done nothing, zero, in our league (SPFL) to justify us selecting them. Alloa, St.Mirren is night and day away from being top man at Hearts. Robinson’s record at Well is average at best and they are a bottom 6 club year after year. Nielson has at least had his team performing at the top end of SPFL more than once. Again, who are your candidates that are at the level you think we should be hiring ? Robinson has been to 2 cup finals. I did tell you who I would have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Fair enough. That’s what happens when you don’t head hunt a manager. You get the Billy Davies, Stuart McCalls and Steve Cotterills applying. 🤷🏼♂️ Agree with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Another gross exaggeration as well as just making things up but - answer the question - how do we attract a top league manager from England or Germany ? This is all you do. How do we do this and how do we do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, afanderson33 said: he’s a Hibs troll or brain damaged. Read his post history. Neither of the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Sir Gio said: Robinson has been to 2 cup finals. I did tell you who I would have But he lost both of them. Leveins cup record just as good. Neither won anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: That’s classic kickback rubbish. Just not true whatever way you look at it. Successful, for a period, at all three clubs. Reasons for departure at Forest were transfer embargo and Owner wanting Nigel Clough. Finished 20th first season then 17th in the Championship 2nd season with Crystal Palace. Left Crystal Palace for Bolton who were above them. Finished 7th with Bolton in his first season, Crystal Palace improved when he left and finished in the play offs. Then he was sacked by Bolton the following season after a bad start. Onto Forest where he did well early doors, new manager bounce, then won like 4 games in 22, turned in around for a wee bit, then lost a bunch of games and got sacked. His record is utter shite and he’s achieved hee haw as a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: But he lost both of them. Leveins cup record just as good. Neither won anything. The best thing he has to back him up was the semi final win v Rangers. Beating one of the OF in their back yard, and kicking them off the park, that's what they do to you usually and that's why it hurt Rangers so much. But he's not very experienced or a big name, McCall to me: decent experience and I think a proper manager who would be quite exciting, his Motherwell team weren't too bad with Humphreys bombing down the wing IIRC Edited November 13, 2019 by rudi must stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, mitch41 said: This is all you do. How do we do this and how do we do that. No, how would you do it? You don’t accept that the hiring process is correct. What would you do differently and better? Stop just criticising and start being a bit pro-active. Mrs Budge is looking for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: But he lost both of them. Leveins cup record just as good. Neither won anything. Levein had cash, Robinson at least inspired pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: I just like to have a laugh tbh. McCalls not a bad manager though and I've heard worse suggestions So you admit trolling for a decade? At least you're finally being honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Flimsy said: So you admit trolling for a decade? At least you're finally being honest. I'm a troll one post, serious the next David Brent style There's serious topics and funny ones I do gage the mood before posting Edited November 13, 2019 by rudi must stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Finished 20th first season then 17th in the Championship 2nd season with Crystal Palace. Left Crystal Palace for Bolton who were above them. Finished 7th with Bolton in his first season, Crystal Palace improved when he left and finished in the play offs. Then he was sacked by Bolton the following season after a bad start. Onto Forest where he did well early doors, new manager bounce, then won like 4 games in 22, turned in around for a wee bit, then lost a bunch of games and got sacked. His record is utter shite and he’s achieved hee haw as a manager. Think your data is wrong. He left Palace who were 4th for Bolton who were 16th. Bolton finished 7th, just missed play-offs. His Palace team were promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNic Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 This is brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Think your data is wrong. He left Palace who were 4th for Bolton who were 16th. Bolton finished 7th, just missed play-offs. His Palace team were promoted. Perhaps. Still no good enough for Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afanderson33 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: I'm a troll one post, serious the next David Brent style There's serious topics and funny ones I do gage the mood before posting David Brent was a prick who everybody laughed at behind his back, you know this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, AndyNic said: This is brutal. Isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, afanderson33 said: David Brent was a prick who everybody laughed at behind his back, you know this right? Obviously but that's Ricky Gervais style of comedy And I have always liked that But I am serious sometimes, see if a candidate came up, Pressley for example, I wouldn't want him for 2 minutes, long ball merchant who we wouldn't move forward with. But all the names so far, even Caldwell, I can understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 6 hours ago, jambobob61 said: Too late mate! The entire Scottish game is geared towards financing the New Firm and retaining their dominance. The games a bogey as they will not release the majority of finances disproportionately 'given' to them by the other clubs remember! 2 votes always out votes the other 10! They should have been told to Foff in the past, too late now! Only chance would be broadcasting rights retained by the home clubs, real Hearts TV, then we might be able to generate a fair/ proportionate income instead of the majority going to Rangers BT and the blood suckers at Celtic SKY! You only need to look at the EBC showing hours of 'the best league in the world'/ endless FA cup and wummins footie that few in Scotland are interested in paying for! Nearly as bad as the laughable STV showing England home games followed by highlights of the same match 30 minutes later! Bring back Ernie Walker, tell the English/ SKY and BT to block transmission if a Scottish game is being played at the same time unless they pay up! Good points 👍 I also noticed an article that said Doncaster had got a big pay rise on the back of this new tv deal. Astonishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 The most interesting thing about this thread is that people are looking for someone who has never failed. Very few managers ever go though their career without spells of relative failure. If they do they are moving around the world's top clubs, so let's be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) It strikes me that we make what should be a simple process of appointing a new manager into an unnecessarily complex and long-winded saga. Logic dictates that we are not going to attract what might be referred to as Grade A managers of the quality of Sir Alex Ferguson, Brian Clough, Jock Stein, Arrigo Sacchi or Vicente del Bosque and that Grade B quality managers such as Jose Mourinho are entirely unaffordable. As a club heading towards safer financial waters after the recent maelstrom of administration, we have to be honest and discount Grades C to G and start looking at potential within Grade H and below. Most of these managers are broadly of a standard that would naturally be attracted to a club of Hearts' current standing. Unfortunately that means when their CV describes them as having experience, it usually means they have experience of being sacked from a lengthy list of previous clubs for ultimately failing to achieve their set objectives. If you look at those currently quoted as showing an interest in applying for the job (Cotterill, Holloway etc), it's like reading a 'closed shop' list of the same old suspects being regurgitated over and over again. There's a reason they've gained experience at dozens of clubs - they've been sacked as failures at most of them, notwithstanding occasional odds-defying successes such as Holloway's Blackpool's promotion to the EPL! The leftwing Cathro experiment at least challenged the status quo and who knows how it might've turned out if the powers that be allowed a similar amount of time as Alex Ferguson was afforded back in the day, or more topically, the length of time Craig Levein was charitably given despite the club's owners-in-waiting venting their displeasure? Whoever the board decides to appoint, hopefully Stendel or similar, I will give my full backing to the team on the park - just please God not another Hearts legend in charge! Edited November 13, 2019 by newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I'm hoping the papers are just in on all the UK based coaches with their hats in the ring. Not bad candidates in terms of stature but no one to really get truely excited about. Hopefully there is an exciting continental coach in there. Paulo Sergio model, perhaps even with a bit more pedigree. I suppose magath almost fits but maybe a younger less mad type preferably, I live in hope . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Everyone feeling positive then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Sir Gio said: Robinson has been to 2 cup finals. I did tell you who I would have Alan Stubbs got to two cup finals and even won one. Do we want him? Craig Levein got us to 1 cup final, and if we hadn't got Celtic in the other semi it could easily have been two. It's the league that counts and Robinson has generally been poor. I'm not a Stuart Mcall fan but his record is much better than Robinsons, in England and with Motherwell. I'd rather have Robbo or McPhee than Robinson. McPhee has more coaching experience than Robinson did when he took over at Well as caretaker initially. Robbo did very well with ICT and was decent with us for his short period in charge. Certainly promoted the attacking football we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Hampden Demolition said: Quite worrying if we are interviewing managers of the standard of McCall and Cotterill. Hope Ann knows whats she’s doing and potentially letting herself in for. Would rather we stuck with MacPhee than employ these frauds. Think she is basing to much on her experienced manager quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Alan Stubbs got to two cup finals and even won one. Do we want him? Craig Levein got us to 1 cup final, and if we hadn't got Celtic in the other semi it could easily have been two. It's the league that counts and Robinson has generally been poor. I'm not a Stuart Mcall fan but his record is much better than Robinsons, in England and with Motherwell. I'd rather have Robbo or McPhee than Robinson. McPhee has more coaching experience than Robinson did when he took over at Well as caretaker initially. Robbo did very well with ICT and was decent with us for his short period in charge. Certainly promoted the attacking football we want. I'm not mad on Robinson but he's got to be a better bet than washed up English lower League journeymen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: Everyone feeling positive then? I was until today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 32 minutes ago, newbie said: It strikes me that we make what should be a simple process of appointing a new manager into an unnecessarily complex and long-winded saga. Logic dictates that we are not going to attract what might be referred to as Grade A managers of the quality of Sir Alex Ferguson, Brian Clough, Jock Stein, Arrigo Sacchi or Vicente del Bosque and that Grade B quality managers such as Jose Mourinho are entirely unaffordable. As a club heading towards safer financial waters after the recent maelstrom of administration, we have to be honest and discount Grades C to G and start looking at potential within Grade H and below. Most of these managers are broadly of a standard that would naturally be attracted to a club of Hearts' current standing. Unfortunately that means when their CV describes them as having experience, it usually means they have experience of being sacked from a lengthy list of previous clubs for ultimately failing to achieve their set objectives. If you look at those currently quoted as showing an interest in applying for the job (Cotterill, Holloway etc), it's like reading a 'closed shop' list of the same old suspects being regurgitated over and over again. There's a reason they've gained experience at dozens of clubs - they've been sacked as failures at most of them, notwithstanding occasional odds-defying successes such as Holloway's Blackpool's promotion to the EPL! The leftwing Cathro experiment at least challenged the status quo and who knows how it might've turned out if the powers that be allowed a similar amount of time as Alex Ferguson was afforded back in the day, or more topically, the length of time Craig Levein was charitably given despite the club's owners-in-waiting venting their displeasure? Whoever the board decides to appoint, hopefully Stendel or similar, I will give my full backing to the team on the park - just please God not another Hearts legend in charge! Enjoyed that post, refreshing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Think she is basing to much on her experienced manager quote. Yeah we don't want experienced if they have a poor track record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Hampden Demolition said: Quite worrying if we are interviewing managers of the standard of McCall and Cotterill. Hope Ann knows whats she’s doing and potentially letting herself in for. Would rather we stuck with MacPhee than employ these frauds. Quite worrying? I’d say very worrying given her lack of football knowledge. She will be taking advice & guidance from who? The members of the Board? Who else? I believe she did say who would be involved in the selection process & at the time that concerned me & still does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Truth is, the decision won’t please everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, tcjambo said: The most interesting thing about this thread is that people are looking for someone who has never failed. Very few managers ever go though their career without spells of relative failure. If they do they are moving around the world's top clubs, so let's be realistic. exactly this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourcandles Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Yeah we don't want experienced if they have a poor track record If they’ve been around a long time (ie experienced) then they’ll have had bad spells somewhere - so we dont want that. Then....if they haven’t been in management or only for a short time then they’re inexperienced - so we dont want that either. Catch 22 ahead mate. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I think the early interview suggests he's not high on the list of candidates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, MacPhee said: Truth is, the decision won’t please everyone. would be good if it pleased someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 https://uk.linkedin.com/in/steve-cotterill-451699176 Interview soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, JAYEL said: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/steve-cotterill-451699176 Interview soon Alot of clubs, some big names now. But they weren't when he was there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Alot of clubs, some big names now. But they weren't when he was there Good record as a manager,makes you wonder why he is not with a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Not impressed with Cotterill or McCall if that is even true. When people were underwhelmed with the front runners in the betting we were hoping for a rabbit to be pulled out of the hat, preferably a sexy foreign rabbit! Looks like we are considering anyone and I mean anyone. I have to say on the footballing side I have serious reservations about out board's knowledge and judgement. Prepare to be disappointed I fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrysRightFoot Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) Spoke to a Birmingham fan who says Cotterill is their worst manager ever. Just one opinion though. Edited November 13, 2019 by LarrysRightFoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, ford donald said: Good record as a manager,makes you wonder why he is not with a club. He did a dreadful job at Birmingham apparently. This man's video reminds me of what we said about Levein http://youtu.be/VCjmU_wE4Nk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, mitch41 said: I wonder why Stuart McCall could get an interview when he should of been in the Not on your nelly list. If this is who Ann Budge is interviewing we are in trouble. My god what is going on in her head. Has McCall said he would accept all of Levein’s coaching staff which has got him the interview. You really need to take a break before you do yourself a mischief. Honestly calm down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: If he is that good why is he still at Hearts. By that logic Hearts could never have a good employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Jodami said: preferably a sexy foreign rabbit! Quote of the month, for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorillajam Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Feeling really unenthusiastic regarding any of the names we are being linked with. I'm actually upset about both Cotterill or McCall even being mentioned. None of the names that have been thrown out there are filling me with any confidence. Theres got to be someone better out there. I wish Alex Neil was available. I don't want to see Hartley, Pressley, Daly, Robertson, Austin or anyone previously linked/ played for our club. We need a change in mentality in order to move forward. I was excited about who would come in to replace Levein however so far its been incredibly depressing stuff. And I have very little faith in Budge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, LarrysRightFoot said: Spoke to a Birmingham fan who says Cotterill is their worst manager ever. Just one opinion though. They say that about all their managers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: Finished 20th first season then 17th in the Championship 2nd season with Crystal Palace. Left Crystal Palace for Bolton who were above them. Finished 7th with Bolton in his first season, Crystal Palace improved when he left and finished in the play offs. Then he was sacked by Bolton the following season after a bad start. Onto Forest where he did well early doors, new manager bounce, then won like 4 games in 22, turned in around for a wee bit, then lost a bunch of games and got sacked. His record is utter shite and he’s achieved hee haw as a manager. How did Rodgers fair at Reading? How did Lennon fair at Bolton? How did McInnes fair at Bristol City? Edited November 13, 2019 by Mr Elwood P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: They say that about all their managers And their not wrong. With the quality of the squad they should have done better under him and Zola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 So no-one from the UK who we can realistically get will be acceptable to our support. I would hate to be our CEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: How did Rodgers fair at Reading? How did Lennon fair at Bolton? How did McInnes fair at Bristol City? Difference being, they all did good jobs before that. Unlike Freedman who’s done nowt. Jack Ross is less of a punt than Freedman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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