Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If he has agreed to walk after the 4 games no compensation.. Compensation is the thing people have to understand. There is 3 years left of contract there. Again, a huge glaring mistake, the length of contract. I took stick for this, and I like Austin McPhee and I hope he survives, but 2 rookies together was a massive gamble. The choice of assistant was not right, not a criticism at all of Austin, but the profiles were too similar. For 3/4 year deals anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Exactly, You simply cannot ignore what the fans want, especially when she has no problem asking us to empty our pockets. This situation could be made 1000X worse if not handled this week. Certainly could be for a variety of reasons. If true an awful decision by the board. In either case there must be a statement released in which they can give us valid reasons why they have come to such a conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I suspect they are working on an exit package with him, and talking to a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Budge really not covering herself in glory here, during the first real "tough" time on the park during her tenure. She's great at making statements when the fans misbehave - how about showing some true leadership and speaking out now. 48 hours since Saturday's debacle and not a peep just isn't good enough. This clearly adept businesswomen is really not running her business particularly well given her "customers", the fans (and ultimately the future owners of the club) are being left in the dark right now. Dont disagree with what your saying. But I thought I was having an eye test reading it....letters getting smaller on each line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac80 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Certainly could be for a variety of reasons. If true an awful decision by the board. In either case there must be a statement released in which they can give us valid reasons why they have come to such a conclusion. The silence is not doing them any good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Dont disagree with what your saying. But I thought I was having an eye test reading it....letters getting smaller on each line... Yeah I have no idea what went wrong with the post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Generally clubs (especially in our financial position) don't pay off managers with lump sums, it can be negotiated and paid over time so I don't buy the we can't afford it story. Budge and Levein should hang their heads at the money they have cost us with this appointment and some of the ludicrous contracts we have handed out in recent times. At the same time as the fans have dug deep time and again they have cost us hundreds of thousands in pay offs. Furthermore the ineptitude of those they put in charge has cost us huge amounts given the shocking cup exits etc. Dreadful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 That is not true. Ann cares an awful lot and has demosntrated on numerous occasions. I'm beginning to think she's one of the pair of females who sat behind me regularly and just talked about hotels, shopping and bar lunches for the entire 90mins and never got out their seats to celebrate goals...because it's starting to look like she doesn't give a toss about what's going on on the pitch despite being a fan before taking over the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 different people text me the same thing and both usually know what's going on - just thought I would post it here but one of them was pretty definate. I'm not having this. The last 4 games he has lost to Peterhead, drawn with Dunfermline, sneaked a win at Elgin and had a reasonable win over east Fife. Failing to qualify from the group. So, we're not entirely sure we should bin him and we're giving him the most difficult set of 4 games imaginable(not far off it) and we've set a target(presumably) points haul, or at the very least we want to see performance improvement. If that's what we've said to him its fecking unbelievable. For a start the players can get rid of this guy now should they decide that's in their best interests. Back him to the hilt or sack him immediately. That's what a strong board would do. I don't believe for a minute we've said to him '4 games to keep your job' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Budge and Levein should hang their heads at the money they have cost us with this appointment and some of the ludicrous contracts we have handed out in recent times. At the same time as the fans have dug deep time and again they haves for will cost us hundreds of thousands in pay offs. Furthermore the ineptitude of those they put in charge has cost us huge amounts given the shocking cup exits etc. Dreadful stuff. Bang on. The player turnover rate during Budge/Levein's reign is absolutely absurd and must be addressed. I reiterate my earlier post, but for such a clued up businesswomen she is making a lot of mistakes on leaking funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Fair enough, but why not? I gave an example of Ann being out of touch. She has introduced new food at games and new items in the shop. These were things fans were asking for. There are other things too. I just don't think the club don't care about what we think. The vast majority want Cathro to go, I understand that, but sacking him won't just be a straight forward process. Maybe they are trying to get him to walk without compensation. Trying to save the club money. None of us really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm beginning to think she's one of the pair of females who sat behind me regularly and just talked about hotels, shopping and bar lunches for the entire 90mins and never got out their seats to celebrate goals...because it's starting to look like she doesn't give a toss about what's going on on the pitch despite being a fan before taking over the club.Simply not true. If it was she wouldnt have gone anywhere near throwing her money in to help save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I suspect they are working on an exit package with him, and talking to a replacement. So do I. What could possibly be the chat around 4 games? What would his target be to retain his job? 12 points or 9 / 6 / 3....its impossible to do imo. If anything unofficially he'll have the next 4 games while he finds a job and we have a replacement. Football players would treat that sort of deal with utter contempt. And it also puts us under real threat of them ensuring he gets the sack. Rightly or wrongly the players could play this anyway they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Cool. We don't agree with you. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Compensation is the thing people have to understand. There is 3 years left of contract there. Again, a huge glaring mistake, the length of contract. I took stick for this, and I like Austin McPhee and I hope he survives, but 2 rookies together was a massive gamble. The choice of assistant was not right, not a criticism at all of Austin, but the profiles were too similar. For 3/4 year deals anyhow. Yet another shining example of the sheer business incompetence of craig levein. He's dished out expensive 3/4 year deals to complete rookies. Did the board not realise how much of an astronomical gamble this was? Did they not foresee having to pay out compo? Did they not think cathro would have adequate legal advice? For the first time I'm concerned about the new regimes governance. Money is being frittered away left, right and centre and it's largely down to Craig levein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 What the 4 games will tell us. It isn't a case of a team gelling, Rust, unfamiliar wont be excuses The players are playing for him or not, It will be clear Can he learn lessons from previous mistakes. I think we all know already, but we are not the company who then need to negotiate a severance. Sacking people is not just as straight forward as the fans don't like him so bin him. Unfortunately we now have to tip toe through the minefield the appointment created. It has all been so very disappointing, almost bewildering, for someone who so many have had faith in, from inside the game, to have had such a catastrophic effect. With the window closing, it leaves a very awkward position as to who arrives with regard to playing personnel. Almost impossible. i Think we all know already ? . Surely that just makes the decision all the more unbelievable and mind boggling , What gets me even further is all the flak and focus seems to be on Cathro yet our Dof has been every bit as bad with a lot of the decisions being made on different fronts and he was the one putting the rookies in place .. unless i'm missing something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Yet another shining example of the sheer business incompetence of craig levein. He's dished out expensive 3/4 year deals to complete rookies. Did the board not realise how much of an astronomical gamble this was? Did they not foresee having to pay out compo? Did they not think cathro would have adequate legal advice? For the first time I'm concerned about the new regimes governance. Money is being frittered away left, right and centre and it's largely down to Craig levein. I don't think you can pin every problem at the club on CL. He is part of a management team and they all have including FOH reps collective responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bolton Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not defending the coach's record, but the reaction of some people here to the club's response is incredible. People genuinely seem furious that the club hasn't issued some kind of public statement by Monday afternoon after we have a bad week. Do the club need to communicate with the fans after every bad result? It's a bad week, but the hysteria here is a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 FFS. I'm not going to look at any media for the next hour. He'll be gone by then won't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not defending the coach's record, but the reaction of some people here to the club's response is incredible. People genuinely seem furious that the club hasn't issued some kind of public statement by Monday afternoon after we have a bad week. Do the club need to communicate with the fans after every bad result? It's a bad week, but the hysteria here is a bit much. A bad week?!!! It's been a long week - about 7 months and counting so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm beginning to think she's one of the pair of females who sat behind me regularly and just talked about hotels, shopping and bar lunches for the entire 90mins and never got out their seats to celebrate goals...because it's starting to look like she doesn't give a toss about what's going on on the pitch despite being a fan before taking over the club. This will be the woman who like myself went and suffered at Elgin & Peterhead. I sat within a few seats of her and unlike large numbers of fans she didn't even have her phone out once!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not defending the coach's record, but the reaction of some people here to the club's response is incredible. People genuinely seem furious that the club hasn't issued some kind of public statement by Monday afternoon after we have a bad week. Do the club need to communicate with the fans after every bad result? It's a bad week, but the hysteria here is a bit much. Spot on. Absolutely ridiculous and my guess is that too many H1b5 people on here trying to stir as they did with threads on season tickets. Damn social media! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't think you can pin every problem at the club on CL. He is part of a management team and they all have including FOH reps collective responsibility. The player turnover is massively concerning given the downturn in results. Yes they all have some responsibility but who has the final say in player turnover? Levein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Maybe they are waiting for Walker deal with Rangers being concluded, announce both on same day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not defending the coach's record, but the reaction of some people here to the club's response is incredible. People genuinely seem furious that the club hasn't issued some kind of public statement by Monday afternoon after we have a bad week. Do the club need to communicate with the fans after every bad result? It's a bad week, but the hysteria here is a bit much. IF we had just lost to Peterhead and failed to beat Dunfermline I could almost agree with your post.... BUT this has been going on for 8 months now. The slide since Cathro took control is like no other slide I have witnessed before, save for perhaps Hibs after they replaced Fenlon with Pat Butcher - it is that bad. This past week has been the straw that has broken the camels back, but lets not pretend for a second that this is hysteria as a result of this past week alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not defending the coach's record, but the reaction of some people here to the club's response is incredible. People genuinely seem furious that the club hasn't issued some kind of public statement by Monday afternoon after we have a bad week. Do the club need to communicate with the fans after every bad result? It's a bad week, but the hysteria here is a bit much. I don't think anybody is suggesting that. Calling the situation a "bad week" is understating it a bit don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 These things can happen quickly but the process has to start now. If we are giving him four games, it's not giving him notice, it is giving him a chance. If he fails again THEN we sack him and appoint a new man and we are probably six games in to the league season. It's not like we are going to advertise the role tomorrow and say we expect the new man to start in four games time (unless we get a couple of decent results in the interim) It's wasting time. The process has started now. I can bet you a chunk of money if we find that the guy we want is available before the four games are up he will be brought in before the four games are up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo in iraq Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm beginning to think she's one of the pair of females who sat behind me regularly and just talked about hotels, shopping and bar lunches for the entire 90mins and never got out their seats to celebrate goals...because it's starting to look like she doesn't give a toss about what's going on on the pitch despite being a fan before taking over the club. Na, sorry i'm calling bullshit on this one. I would say she has been influence too much by the so called specialist she appointed to an area she recognised was not her strength, but to say she doesn't give a toss about things is out of order. Romanov didn't give a shit, Robinson before didn't give a shit! Bang out of order and tbh just plan sexist crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 This will be the woman who like myself went and suffered at Elgin & Peterhead. I sat within a few seats of her and unlike large numbers of fans she didn't even have her phone out once!! Shops and hotels must be decent up there. Not sure about phone reception though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark963 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 As long as we pay our money, Ann/the club doesnt give a flying ****. Why should ST holders renew? They will have a shiny new stand (at some point, and which they paid for) to look at. We are all annoyed and angered by the "situation" but come on Ann doesn't take us for granted. This is her first big test as chairwoman. She better get I right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 She has introduced new food at games and new items in the shop. These were things fans were asking for. There are other things too. I just don't think the club don't care about what we think. The vast majority want Cathro to go, I understand that, but sacking him won't just be a straight forward process. Maybe they are trying to get him to walk without compensation. Trying to save the club money. None of us really know. New food and new merchandise. Wow. Just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bolton Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't think anybody is suggesting that. Calling the situation a "bad week" is understating it a bit don't you think? Not really. We've had a big overhaul over the summer. Until two games ago people seemed genuinely positive. Now we're incensed that the club is 'disrespecting' us by not issuing a public statement. Social media has a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzabic Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 We paid a fee for Isma. We did, Reilly too. However these were rare occurrences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 So the outcome appears to be a wall of silence. Reminds me of the Petrie debacle and here was me thinking we were better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 A bad week?!!! It's been a long week - about 7 months and counting so far. A But but but it's a clean slate and we have just to forget about everything else that has went on and to tell you the truth the carpet has not got any space left under it for any more crap to be brushed under . The ignorance has just been taken to another level . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bolton Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 So the outcome appears to be a wall of silence. Reminds me of the Petrie debacle and here was me thinking we were better than that. What do you want them to say? Assuming there's no sacking, what can they say? How professional would it be for the club to go public with the manager on the shoogly peg line? What purpose would that serve? Do you want Cathro begging for forgiveness? How about everyone calms down and lets them get on with their work? Is that enough questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm beginning to think she's one of the pair of females who sat behind me regularly and just talked about hotels, shopping and bar lunches for the entire 90mins and never got out their seats to celebrate goals...because it's starting to look like she doesn't give a toss about what's going on on the pitch despite being a fan before taking over the club. women eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think they're going to back him. I have no problem with this, we desperately need a new Goalkeeper and something in midfield, elsewhere I think when proper fitness kicks in we're pretty solid. I won't be judging him on anything but league form and I don't think it'll take long to judge whether we can get the much coveted European spot that Mrs Budge has set as the target. All the abuse aimed at Cathro, Levein and Mrs Budge on here is disgusting btw. Used to think Hearts supporters had a touch of class about them, obviously not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibs Nil Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I suspect they are working on an exit package with him, and talking to a replacement. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 The process has started now. I can bet you a chunk of money if we find that the guy we want is available before the four games are up he will be brought in before the four games are up. Not sure I agree JT, if it was just a case of finding/waiting for the right appointment, IC would be gone now as there are a few internal temporary options to get us through until that time. I think we are skint and because of the 3.5 year deals for IC and Am, we are financially hamstrung! The person to blame for this is CL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 New food and new merchandise. Wow. Just wow. These were things fans wanted and got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 games is stupid. If he us deemed not good enough he must go now. Zero chance of breaking the 14k season ticket barrier over next 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think they're going to back him. I have no problem with this, we desperately need a new Goalkeeper and something in midfield, elsewhere I think when proper fitness kicks in we're pretty solid. I won't be judging him on anything but league form and I don't think it'll take long to judge whether we can get the much coveted European spot that Mrs Budge has set as the target. All the abuse aimed at Cathro, Levein and Mrs Budge on here is disgusting btw. Used to think Hearts supporters had a touch of class about them, obviously not anymore. The best fans in the world wouldn't back Ian Cathro and his team. They have no guts and are going nowhere as a team, totally predictable for the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not defending the coach's record, but the reaction of some people here to the club's response is incredible. People genuinely seem furious that the club hasn't issued some kind of public statement by Monday afternoon after we have a bad week. Do the club need to communicate with the fans after every bad result? It's a bad week, but the hysteria here is a bit much. It is called passion for our football club, something that is not coming from the dug out for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 There is some Tom kite being posted now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Spot on. Absolutely ridiculous and my guess is that too many H1b5 people on here trying to stir as they did with threads on season tickets. Damn social media!assuming you are serious if we are looking for interlopers shouldn't we be looking for posts relaxed about giving cathro more time and content that he is still here? If i were a hibby that's where i would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Yet another shining example of the sheer business incompetence of craig levein. He's dished out expensive 3/4 year deals to complete rookies. Did the board not realise how much of an astronomical gamble this was? Did they not foresee having to pay out compo? Did they not think cathro would have adequate legal advice? For the first time I'm concerned about the new regimes governance. Money is being frittered away left, right and centre and it's largely down to Craig levein. Tend to agree to an extent, but Anne Budge would have to agreed to this and signed off on this, I don't believe she is that naive that she gives Craig Levein a complete free reign to agree to every single contract. She is just as culpable as Levein when it comes to these deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Moysey Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 This will be the woman who like myself went and suffered at Elgin & Peterhead. I sat within a few seats of her and unlike large numbers of fans she didn't even have her phone out once!! Quite remarkable powers of observation to see she wasn't on her phone! She was at Elgin yes but she was not at Peterhead. I was at Peterhead too but was reliably informed Anne was at Bonnyrigg that night for the u20's game!!! One of us is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Not really. We've had a big overhaul over the summer. Until two games ago people seemed genuinely positive. Now we're incensed that the club is 'disrespecting' us by not issuing a public statement. Social media has a lot to answer for. People did seem positive. Until we actually started playing when it became clear we are as bad, if not worse than last season. The epic fail of the league cup campaign is pretty disastrous in footballing terms and despite having huge admiration for what Ann Budge has done for the club, I think the silence from Tynecastle is damaging her reputation. But hay-ho maybe shes not bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think they're going to back him. I have no problem with this, we desperately need a new Goalkeeper and something in midfield, elsewhere I think when proper fitness kicks in we're pretty solid. I won't be judging him on anything but league form and I don't think it'll take long to judge whether we can get the much coveted European spot that Mrs Budge has set as the target. All the abuse aimed at Cathro, Levein and Mrs Budge on here is disgusting btw. Used to think Hearts supporters had a touch of class about them, obviously not anymore. I don't agree but that is a pretty reasonable post.You could be correct but certainly for most of us 7 months and the failure to Get out of a group against lower league sides is the final straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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