freddiemac Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Getting a bit tired of Sturgeon telling us all that we want a Labour-led government. By all means promote your own party but **** off deciding who else we should be voting for.ditto, on her high horse speaking for all of scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Queen Nicola saying there is now way the SNP will win every seat. If that is true then it will shatter a few dreams of their supporters. Oh and remember the SNP are always right so her view must be accepted. Where did she say they COULD win all 59 seats,any links.......it's okay,there's none to be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 ditto, on her high horse speaking for all of scotland Not even speaking for the whole of Scotland. Her "get the tories out" line is speaking for the whole of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Do you expect him to admit that? That's politics, too. You could turn it around by stating that Nicola not admitting that the SNP is now a wasted vote is also politics. It's all part of the Great Game. Quite. You could argue all votes are wasted unless your party wins outright! Hence why we need PR. As an aside, I was looking back at my GE voting history. 1992 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal, Tories won. 1997 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal. Liberal won. 2001 - Edinburgh Central. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2005 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2010 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Lib Dem (WTF??? I knew the candidate...) Labour won. So I've played 5, won 1, lost 4. Who wants my vote then??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidsnot Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 just wondering,is it all Celtic fans through their where you stay. Newarthill has 55/45 Rangers,Carfin,Willie Collum's village,85/15 Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I was working last night. Did he actually say this? Has to be the moment Ed waves goodbye to his dream of being PM.Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Quite. You could argue all votes are wasted unless your party wins outright! Hence why we need PR. As an aside, I was looking back at my GE voting history. 1992 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal, Tories won. 1997 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal. Liberal won. 2001 - Edinburgh Central. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2005 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2010 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Lib Dem (WTF??? I knew the candidate...) Labour won. So I've played 5, won 1, lost 4. Who wants my vote then??? Nobody probably, yer record stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I hope you all enjoy Tory Governments, Minor/Major for the rest of your natural lives, as long as we're part of the UK political union, it is after all the Unionist Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gordons Gloves Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Quite. You could argue all votes are wasted unless your party wins outright! Hence why we need PR. As an aside, I was looking back at my GE voting history. 1992 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal, Tories won. 1997 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal. Liberal won. 2001 - Edinburgh Central. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2005 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2010 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Lib Dem (WTF??? I knew the candidate...) Labour won. So I've played 5, won 1, lost 4. Who wants my vote then??? Very Hibs-esque performance there Boris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Quite. You could argue all votes are wasted unless your party wins outright! Hence why we need PR. As an aside, I was looking back at my GE voting history. 1992 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal, Tories won. 1997 - Edinburgh West. Voted Liberal. Liberal won. 2001 - Edinburgh Central. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2005 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Scottish Socialist. Labour won. 2010 - Edinburgh South West. Voted Lib Dem (WTF??? I knew the candidate...) Labour won. So I've played 5, won 1, lost 4. Who wants my vote then??? I would prefer the STV as you can vote for who you want first but gives flexibility for your vote not to be wasted if you know your preferred candidate doesn't have a chance.Also I think it's important to keep a constituency set up to allow people to have local representative who they can contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I hope you all enjoy Tory Governments, Minor/Major for the rest of your natural lives, as long as we're part of the UK political union, it is after all the Unionist Party. Thrown in the towel, Aus, old son? Not too late to return to your traditional home, flying the Red Flag... A few others will be thinking the same now I'd have thought. Reality can be a real game-changer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trapper John Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (Ex) Chairman Eck caught out again at what he does best: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11575445/Alex-Salmond-accused-of-telling-voters-blatant-untruths.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Nobody probably, yer record stinks. Very Hibs-esque performance there Boris. It's pretty tragic, to be fair. Far better record in the Holyrood and local elections though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's pretty tragic, to be fair. Far better record in the Holyrood and local elections though! I have never backed the winner - in any vote. Apart from the referendum, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 From Prof Curtice "The only way the SNP can exert the ultimate control over a minority Labour administration is by voting with the Tories. Without Tory votes, the SNP can huff and puff but it cannot blow the Westminster house down. Armed with those Tory votes it?s another matter. But that is the one place that Nicola Sturgeon has sworn never to go, on principle. The ability to call her bluff would give Labour a big advantage if it gets the opportunity to use it". Has she shot her load too early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AndrewB Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Wouldn't it be nice to have an election campaign about policies and principles? Instead we have an election campaign completely dominated by theoretical discussions about the post-election make-up of the Commons. Longest and weirdest election campaign I've lived through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewB Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 1707. 1902 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 From Prof Curtice "The only way the SNP can exert the ultimate control over a minority Labour administration is by voting with the Tories. Without Tory votes, the SNP can huff and puff but it cannot blow the Westminster house down. Armed with those Tory votes it?s another matter. But that is the one place that Nicola Sturgeon has sworn never to go, on principle. The ability to call her bluff would give Labour a big advantage if it gets the opportunity to use it". Has she shot her load too early? By building such a barrier between themselves and the Conservatives, the SNP is promoting and embracing the same old divisive policies that have been a feature of the House for decades. Not exactly the breath of fresh air we were hoping for. And yes, I get the historical reasons behind this but is Sturgeon going to sit with her fingers in her ears at every Tory policy, even if it does actually benefit Scotland (stop sniggering at the back!)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 From Prof Curtice "The only way the SNP can exert the ultimate control over a minority Labour administration is by voting with the Tories. Without Tory votes, the SNP can huff and puff but it cannot blow the Westminster house down. Armed with those Tory votes it?s another matter. But that is the one place that Nicola Sturgeon has sworn never to go, on principle. The ability to call her bluff would give Labour a big advantage if it gets the opportunity to use it". Has she shot her load too early? Gorgiewave aff Jai Kay Bee saw this logic weeks ago. Vote with Labour Abstain (no voice for Scotland, the Feeble Fifty-Plus) Vote with the Tories (a deal with the Deil) These are the SNP's choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Wouldn't it be nice to have an election campaign about policies and principles? Instead we have an election campaign completely dominated by theoretical discussions about the post-election make-up of the Commons. Longest and weirdest election campaign I've lived through. It has been absolutely ****ing shite. The only difference I can establish between Labour and the Tories is that Labour won't have an EU referendum. Other than that, yada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 From Prof Curtice "The only way the SNP can exert the ultimate control over a minority Labour administration is by voting with the Tories. Without Tory votes, the SNP can huff and puff but it cannot blow the Westminster house down. Armed with those Tory votes it?s another matter. But that is the one place that Nicola Sturgeon has sworn never to go, on principle. The ability to call her bluff would give Labour a big advantage if it gets the opportunity to use it". Has she shot her load too early? The risk for her is that if she does not back Labour, that lets the Tories rule I wont vote for her on the principal that she is a lawyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 1902 55 BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nookie Bear Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 1603 1707. Probably not a good idea to reveal your PIN numbers on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieh Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Probably not a good idea to reveal your PIN numbers on here. close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The risk for her is that if she does not back Labour, that lets the Tories rule I wont vote for her on the principal that she is a lawyer That's a bit shan on lawyers mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 From Prof Curtice "The only way the SNP can exert the ultimate control over a minority Labour administration is by voting with the Tories. Without Tory votes, the SNP can huff and puff but it cannot blow the Westminster house down. Armed with those Tory votes it?s another matter. But that is the one place that Nicola Sturgeon has sworn never to go, on principle. The ability to call her bluff would give Labour a big advantage if it gets the opportunity to use it". Has she shot her load too early? It depends what the SNP want to do. I don't think they want to "blow the house down". The SNP could always abstain, which isn't supporting Labour OR the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Gorgiewave aff Jai Kay Bee saw this logic weeks ago. Vote with Labour Abstain (no voice for Scotland, the Feeble Fifty-Plus) Vote with the Tories (a deal with the Deil) These are the SNP's choices. Pretty shite choices. Ah well, at least we'll have clout, eh? However - we all know what really is going on here - they want frozen out. That'll be the 'changer' that gets the referendum on the 2016 manifesto and sees me triumphant in my bet with Mr Dundas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It depends what the SNP want to do. I don't think they want to "blow the house down". The SNP could always abstain, which isn't supporting Labour OR the Tories. Just sitting thumb twiddling? What about this clout we were promised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The risk for her is that if she does not back Labour, that lets the Tories rule I wont vote for her on the principal that she is a lawyer Lol why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Pretty shite choices. Ah well, at least we'll have clout, eh? However - we all know what really is going on here - they want frozen out. That'll be the 'changer' that gets the referendum on the 2016 manifesto and sees me triumphant in my bet with Mr Dundas. In what way have the majority of Scottish MP's been able to exercise authority in this recent parliament? Or, say, from 1983-1997? Not sure the SNP want frozen out. I'd say it's more to do using their votes in the best interests (as they see it) of Scotland and, to a lesser extent, the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just sitting thumb twiddling? What about this clout we were promised? Abstention can be clout as well. "Hi Mr Ed, we're going to abstain on this, but we'll vote with you if you do a,b,c" and so negotiations begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 In what way have the majority of Scottish MP's been able to exercise authority in this recent parliament? Or, say, from 1983-1997? Not sure the SNP want frozen out. I'd say it's more to do using their votes in the best interests (as they see it) of Scotland and, to a lesser extent, the UK. It's less necessary for them to do so. Scotland has its own Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddiemac Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Newarthill has 55/45 Rangers,Carfin,Willie Collum's village,85/15 Celtic. Newarthill has 55/45 Rangers,Carfin,Willie Collum's village,85/15 Celtic.does that mean Hearts. 0/100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's less necessary for them to do so. Scotland has its own Parliament. Less necessary? I disagree. Given it's Westminster that dishes out the pocket money, perhaps more necessary? Personally, I'd love a fully federalised UK...but it ain't gonna happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck berrys hairline Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Right here is where im at, voted snp in elections the last 8 years & yes last year. But tbh their schtick is getting tiresome. **** if Nicola doesn't get pumped it's the tories fault!! Need more than that to win me over. Also I haven't seen any improvement in my area since the nats won holyrood. Angela Constance was the last mp for Livi south but apart from another snp lady campaigning not one other party has been out to win votes. Who else realistically is there to vote for up here?? It's all he/she said bullshit and what who spent what 10/20/30 years ago. What about now? That's what's important to people like me who don't support parties like football teams. Looking to get a better job,health,lifestyle and future. It's looking easier not to vote which would annoy me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Pretty shite choices. Ah well, at least we'll have clout, eh? However - we all know what really is going on here - they want frozen out. That'll be the 'changer' that gets the referendum on the 2016 manifesto and sees me triumphant in my bet with Mr Dundas. By being to maniacal and messianic, the SNP have a weakness the Soviet Union had: they can break but they cannot bend. No compromise is possible. No referendum will keeping the zombie hordes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Right here is where im at, voted snp in elections the last 8 years & yes last year. But tbh their schtick is getting tiresome. **** if Nicola doesn't get pumped it's the tories fault!! Need more than that to win me over. Also I haven't seen any improvement in my area since the nats won holyrood. Angela Constance was the last mp for Livi south but apart from another snp lady campaigning not one other party has been out to win votes. Who else realistically is there to vote for up here?? It's all he/she said bullshit and what who spent what 10/20/30 years ago. What about now? That's what's important to people like me who don't support parties like football teams. Looking to get a better job,health,lifestyle and future. It's looking easier not to vote which would annoy me. If you're still in Livingston, here's the record of Graeme Morrice, the sitting Labour MP: Voted moderately for more EU integration Details Voted very strongly against university tuition fees Details Voted strongly against fewer MPs in the House of Commons Details Voted strongly against a reduction in spending on welfare benefits Details Voted strongly for paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability Details Voted very strongly against reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24735/graeme_morrice/livingston The Conservative candidate was at school with me and he's a nice guy and knows every train station and timetable in the UK. Edited May 1, 2015 by Gorgiewave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Draper Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Quite. You could argue all votes are wasted unless your party wins outright! Hence why we need PR. As an aside, I was looking back at my GE voting history. So I've played 5, won 1, lost 4. Who wants my vote then??? I have never backed the winner - in any vote. My floating-voter father-in-law has backed the losing candidate at every single US Presidential election since he was first able to vote back in the 60s. Which, if you think about it a wee bit, really does take some doing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaganator Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 My floating-voter father-in-law has backed the losing candidate at every single US Presidential election since he was first able to vote back in the 60s. Which, if you think about it a wee bit, really does take some doing... That's harder to do than not to do! Good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Lol why not? As a profession they do not do anything based on right or wrong,and will defend the indefensible based on instruction. They represent their own and their clients interests regardless of "justice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'll repeat what I asked earlier What power does wee Jimmy Krankie think she can exert on Labour (if the largest party) in Westminster? Prof Curtice is right. If/when Miliband says no to the removal of Trident and no to another referendum and it ever went to a vote the SNP will come home with their tails between their legs because the Tories and LibDumbs will be honour bound to vote with Labour or abstain. The ONLY thing SNP can do is vote with Labour on Labour issues. To let the Tories in again would extend the bedroom tax, tax cuts for the rich, threshold increase in IHT etc etc and if that happened they would be slaughtered in the next Westminster election. Despite all their huff and puff I'm not sure they have anywhere to go and that's why Ed says he'll not do a deal/coalition with them. To get anything done for Scotland she will have to cut out the threats and admit her bark is worse than her bite. She has nowhere to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'll repeat what I asked earlier What power does wee Jimmy Krankie think she can exert on Labour (if the largest party) in Westminster? Prof Curtice is right. If/when Miliband says no to the removal of Trident and no to another referendum and it ever went to a vote the SNP will come home with their tails between their legs because the Tories and LibDumbs will be honour bound to vote with Labour or abstain. The ONLY thing SNP can do is vote with Labour on Labour issues. To let the Tories in again would extend the bedroom tax, tax cuts for the rich, threshold increase in IHT etc etc and if that happened they would be slaughtered in the next Westminster election. Despite all their huff and puff I'm not sure they have anywhere to go and that's why Ed says he'll not do a deal/coalition with them. To get anything done for Scotland she will have to cut out the threats and admit her bark is worse than her bite. She has nowhere to go. What do you do when minority means you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 As a profession they do not do anything based on right or wrong,and will defend the indefensible based on instruction. They represent their own and their clients interests regardless of "justice" Think we will agree to disagree on that one as it's not relevant to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Sidsnot - if you re-read my post re QNS i'm sure you will see I never said she had claimed the SNP would will all the Scottish seats in the GE i merely pointed out that she has apparently expressed her view that the SNP will not win all these seats. Hope that helps clarify things for you. Edited May 1, 2015 by Stuart Lyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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