Sterling Archer Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 No i'll not as I dont support terrorism and as hard as it will be for some to believe actually had family injured in the Omagh bombing. I will however sing other various ditties to wind them up the next time they visit Tynecastle. Now if you'd like to remind me what part of Rule Brittania glorifies terrorism? What about Never Walk Alone or other Celtic songs not related to terrorism? Eta, I know nwa isn't a Celtic song before anyone says anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vanbasten1874 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I suggest if you are so proud of what you do in the Dunbar end you should 'own' it, a start might be by using your full name on JKB! I will give a start...My Name is 'insert real name' and I like singing sectarian songs and/or songs about child sexual abuse and/or people dying etc etc etc Having a 'alias' means you can say whatever you want and nobody knows! If your views are so reasonable why not shout them from the rooftops so that everyone will know how reasonable a guy you really are? He doesnt have too he pays his money to go watch football in a democratic country and can sing what ever he wants within the confines of the law why does he have to explain his actions to you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thought it may be worth introducing my email to David Southern at this point: Hi David I felt compelled to write to my club this morning having woken up with a sense of both anger and frustration. These feelings have not been evoked because of our defeat last night, but by the people who constantly embarrass the club with their behaviour. Whilst acknowledging and recognising that the 'away' supports of Celtic, Rangers AND Hearts tend to bring together the lowest common denominator of human behaviour, last night was exceptionally bad in the Hearts section! Lets put aside the usual jolly song about Brittania ruling the waves etc which our Union Jack clad group rejoice in, I am much more concerned about the significant number of HMFC's away support who think it is great fun to sing about 1 'Us' being Billy boys who are up to our knees in Fenian blood (this song is banned under current legislation) 2 A incident in history in which up to 1 million people inc children died as a result of hunger and disease (this song is banned under current legislation) 3 A song or two about child sexual abuse and 'beasting', asking "who shagged all the boys" or "your only here for the ball boys" is quite simply disgusting and shows not an ounce of empathy for the many, many victims of child sexual abuse (past and present) who were in the stadium last night wearing maroon or green. Given that the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by a family member or close associate of that family, there may have been a significant number of children at the game ladt night who were taken there by their abuser! (this is my profession, so I talk with some knowledge) However, even parents/carers who simply wanted to take their son/daughter to the match last night may have been confronted with a child asking what these songs were about! I would also be very surprised if VR knows that a reasonably significant number of supporters of his club consider child sexual abuse to be so amusing! 4 During the minutes applause for someone's dad, granda, husband, partner, friend etc who happened to be an ex Celtic player, which many Hearts fans took part in, there were significant numbers who didn't and many shouts of e.g. "am no clappin ya shower o f****n b******s am gald he is deid! I have two requests I would like my club to consider 1 Raising the issue of policing with the relevant authorities as last night I spoke to two officers during the rendition of 'the famine song' and suggested they start arresting individuals for clearly and unashamedly singing a song which is an 'arrestable' offence. Whilst being supportive and acknowledging that is what they would like to do and should be doing, it was simply a question of and I quote "manpower". What is the point of legislation if enforcing it is in practice totally 'unworkable'? 2 Be brave, Scott Wilson's usual stuff about HMFC and asking people (very nicely) not to sing bad songs or make nasty comments is falling on very deaf ears with a significant number of individuals who watch Hearts. The time has come for my club to make a stand, something I am positive Vladimir Romanov would support, re these issues. Can the club publicly condemn e.g. Programmes, local and national media etc that WE do not want these 'supporters', tell them to stay away, WE do not need these supporters. Hearts quite rightly values it's history and it's rightful position as a 'family' club. Now is the time to protect that status. Regards Bob Skeldon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Oh the humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Do you think hate is a form of bigotry? To be honest Bob I dont really know, I was just putting it out there for debate, as you have done with some other wee snippets. If pushed for a yes or no I'd plump for a mild yes Hatred (or hate) is a deep and emotional extreme dislike, directed against a certain object or class of objects. The objects of such hatred can vary widely, from inanimate objects or animals, to oneself or other people, entire groups of people, people in general, existence, or the whole world. Bigotry : stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. Not too different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yea i do know what u mean but when scotland play international games no1 bothers about us boing the britsh anthem or singing abusive songs towards england.The fact is i aint gonna lie i hate everything about celtic and rangers but no matter what people say on here if i heard 59k celtic fans hurling abuse at our fans of course im gonna sing abuse back if some of our fans cant handle the heat they should stay away FACT is most of the fans where singing abuse at celtic last nite and they aint part time fans as i see them at every away game i go to its just the fact when ur at parkhead its a hostile place and our fans react to it .1 other point when celtic last came to tynie what about there songs ie shove ur poppy up ur ase and destroyin our cattering stands and fighting with the cops sorry hearts vs celtic games will always have a hostile atmosphere if you dont like it simply dont go there mostly a very good post. just mental how some folk go to parkhead expecting hearty renditions of the hearts song or the europe song throughout the match. then come on here being moraly outraged. bob has been going for decades yet still comes back all shocked and offended. i bet he continued to go for his yearly beach holiday in beirut after `75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 He doesnt have too he pays his money to go watch football in a democratic country and can sing what ever he wants within the confines of the law why does he have to explain his actions to you ? Because he implied that he may in fact be breaking the law by singing 'banned' songs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thought it may be worth introducing my email to David Southern at this point: Hi David I felt compelled to write to my club this morning having woken up with a sense of both anger and frustration. These feelings have not been evoked because of our defeat last night, but by the people who constantly embarrass the club with their behaviour. Whilst acknowledging and recognising that the 'away' supports of Celtic, Rangers AND Hearts tend to bring together the lowest common denominator of human behaviour, last night was exceptionally bad in the Hearts section! Lets put aside the usual jolly song about Brittania ruling the waves etc which our Union Jack clad group rejoice in, I am much more concerned about the significant number of HMFC's away support who think it is great fun to sing about 1 'Us' being Billy boys who are up to our knees in Fenian blood (this song is banned under current legislation) 2 A incident in history in which up to 1 million people inc children died as a result of hunger and disease (this song is banned under current legislation) 3 A song or two about child sexual abuse and 'beasting', asking "who shagged all the boys" or "your only here for the ball boys" is quite simply disgusting and shows not an ounce of empathy for the many, many victims of child sexual abuse (past and present) who were in the stadium last night wearing maroon or green. Given that the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by a family member or close associate of that family, there may have been a significant number of children at the game ladt night who were taken there by their abuser! (this is my profession, so I talk with some knowledge) However, even parents/carers who simply wanted to take their son/daughter to the match last night may have been confronted with a child asking what these songs were about! I would also be very surprised if VR knows that a reasonably significant number of supporters of his club consider child sexual abuse to be so amusing! 4 During the minutes applause for someone's dad, granda, husband, partner, friend etc who happened to be an ex Celtic player, which many Hearts fans took part in, there were significant numbers who didn't and many shouts of e.g. "am no clappin ya shower o f****n b******s am gald he is deid! I have two requests I would like my club to consider 1 Raising the issue of policing with the relevant authorities as last night I spoke to two officers during the rendition of 'the famine song' and suggested they start arresting individuals for clearly and unashamedly singing a song which is an 'arrestable' offence. Whilst being supportive and acknowledging that is what they would like to do and should be doing, it was simply a question of and I quote "manpower". What is the point of legislation if enforcing it is in practice totally 'unworkable'? 2 Be brave, Scott Wilson's usual stuff about HMFC and asking people (very nicely) not to sing bad songs or make nasty comments is falling on very deaf ears with a significant number of individuals who watch Hearts. The time has come for my club to make a stand, something I am positive Vladimir Romanov would support, re these issues. Can the club publicly condemn e.g. Programmes, local and national media etc that WE do not want these 'supporters', tell them to stay away, WE do not need these supporters. Hearts quite rightly values it's history and it's rightful position as a 'family' club. Now is the time to protect that status. Regards Bob Skeldon Good lord! Was it really that bad? I have woken up angry before... And I have woken up frustrated before... BUT BOTH on the same morning? I hope David sends you some happy porn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 What about Never Walk Alone or other Celtic songs not related to terrorism? Eta, I know nwa isn't a Celtic song before anyone says anything. Rule Britannia isn't a Rangers song per se so your point stands. I think I will sing it at Ibrox next week, plenty people will join in because "it will wind them right up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I suggest if you are so proud of what you do in the Dunbar end you should 'own' it, a start might be by using your full name on JKB! I will give a start...My Name is 'insert real name' and I like singing sectarian songs and/or songs about child sexual abuse and/or people dying etc etc etc Having a 'alias' means you can say whatever you want and nobody knows! If your views are so reasonable why not shout them from the rooftops so that everyone will know how reasonable a guy you really are? I think you miss the point mr name,rank and number!what im saying is i dont see being some sort of informer about some people singing songs at a game is needed also what part of people like you get on my tits refers to me liking or singing sectarian or others mentioned,behaviour at games is policed and is stewarded so i think you should let them get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thought it may be worth introducing my email to David Southern at this point: Hi David I felt compelled to write to my club this morning having woken up with a sense of both anger and frustration. These feelings have not been evoked because of our defeat last night, but by the people who constantly embarrass the club with their behaviour. Whilst acknowledging and recognising that the 'away' supports of Celtic, Rangers AND Hearts tend to bring together the lowest common denominator of human behaviour, last night was exceptionally bad in the Hearts section! Lets put aside the usual jolly song about Brittania ruling the waves etc which our Union Jack clad group rejoice in, I am much more concerned about the significant number of HMFC's away support who think it is great fun to sing about 1 'Us' being Billy boys who are up to our knees in Fenian blood (this song is banned under current legislation) 2 A incident in history in which up to 1 million people inc children died as a result of hunger and disease (this song is banned under current legislation) 3 A song or two about child sexual abuse and 'beasting', asking "who shagged all the boys" or "your only here for the ball boys" is quite simply disgusting and shows not an ounce of empathy for the many, many victims of child sexual abuse (past and present) who were in the stadium last night wearing maroon or green. Given that the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by a family member or close associate of that family, there may have been a significant number of children at the game ladt night who were taken there by their abuser! (this is my profession, so I talk with some knowledge) However, even parents/carers who simply wanted to take their son/daughter to the match last night may have been confronted with a child asking what these songs were about! I would also be very surprised if VR knows that a reasonably significant number of supporters of his club consider child sexual abuse to be so amusing! 4 During the minutes applause for someone's dad, granda, husband, partner, friend etc who happened to be an ex Celtic player, which many Hearts fans took part in, there were significant numbers who didn't and many shouts of e.g. "am no clappin ya shower o f****n b******s am gald he is deid! I have two requests I would like my club to consider 1 Raising the issue of policing with the relevant authorities as last night I spoke to two officers during the rendition of 'the famine song' and suggested they start arresting individuals for clearly and unashamedly singing a song which is an 'arrestable' offence. Whilst being supportive and acknowledging that is what they would like to do and should be doing, it was simply a question of and I quote "manpower". What is the point of legislation if enforcing it is in practice totally 'unworkable'? 2 Be brave, Scott Wilson's usual stuff about HMFC and asking people (very nicely) not to sing bad songs or make nasty comments is falling on very deaf ears with a significant number of individuals who watch Hearts. The time has come for my club to make a stand, something I am positive Vladimir Romanov would support, re these issues. Can the club publicly condemn e.g. Programmes, local and national media etc that WE do not want these 'supporters', tell them to stay away, WE do not need these supporters. Hearts quite rightly values it's history and it's rightful position as a 'family' club. Now is the time to protect that status. Regards Bob Skeldon Bob, may see him tonite will be interesting to see what he has to say about your email. Maybe I could bring it up at the HMSA when the floor is open to general questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgerrard Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Anyway this thread is getting borring and we should really be more intrested in getting behind the team after a heavy defeat instead of trying to slag fellow supporters we should be sticking together and getting our selfs back on track.WE ARE DOWN BUT NOT OUT ive no heard the bell sound yet Come on jambos a will on sat and wed puts us right back in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pepper Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 What Rangers songs were the Hearts fans singing last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 Bob, may see him tonite will be interesting to see what he has to say about your email. Maybe I could bring it up at the HMSA when the floor is open to general questions Thanks, I would appreciate it. From previous experience, David will provide a response to my email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 What Rangers songs were the Hearts fans singing last night? 'Today's the day the Teddy Bears have their picnic' was clear for all to hear on my radio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Oh the humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guildford_Jambo Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thought it may be worth introducing my email to David Southern at this point: Hi David I felt compelled to write to my club this morning having woken up with a sense of both anger and frustration. These feelings have not been evoked because of our defeat last night, but by the people who constantly embarrass the club with their behaviour. Whilst acknowledging and recognising that the 'away' supports of Celtic, Rangers AND Hearts tend to bring together the lowest common denominator of human behaviour, last night was exceptionally bad in the Hearts section! Lets put aside the usual jolly song about Brittania ruling the waves etc which our Union Jack clad group rejoice in, I am much more concerned about the significant number of HMFC's away support who think it is great fun to sing about 1 'Us' being Billy boys who are up to our knees in Fenian blood (this song is banned under current legislation) 2 A incident in history in which up to 1 million people inc children died as a result of hunger and disease (this song is banned under current legislation) 3 A song or two about child sexual abuse and 'beasting', asking "who shagged all the boys" or "your only here for the ball boys" is quite simply disgusting and shows not an ounce of empathy for the many, many victims of child sexual abuse (past and present) who were in the stadium last night wearing maroon or green. Given that the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by a family member or close associate of that family, there may have been a significant number of children at the game ladt night who were taken there by their abuser! (this is my profession, so I talk with some knowledge) However, even parents/carers who simply wanted to take their son/daughter to the match last night may have been confronted with a child asking what these songs were about! I would also be very surprised if VR knows that a reasonably significant number of supporters of his club consider child sexual abuse to be so amusing! 4 During the minutes applause for someone's dad, granda, husband, partner, friend etc who happened to be an ex Celtic player, which many Hearts fans took part in, there were significant numbers who didn't and many shouts of e.g. "am no clappin ya shower o f****n b******s am gald he is deid! I have two requests I would like my club to consider 1 Raising the issue of policing with the relevant authorities as last night I spoke to two officers during the rendition of 'the famine song' and suggested they start arresting individuals for clearly and unashamedly singing a song which is an 'arrestable' offence. Whilst being supportive and acknowledging that is what they would like to do and should be doing, it was simply a question of and I quote "manpower". What is the point of legislation if enforcing it is in practice totally 'unworkable'? 2 Be brave, Scott Wilson's usual stuff about HMFC and asking people (very nicely) not to sing bad songs or make nasty comments is falling on very deaf ears with a significant number of individuals who watch Hearts. The time has come for my club to make a stand, something I am positive Vladimir Romanov would support, re these issues. Can the club publicly condemn e.g. Programmes, local and national media etc that WE do not want these 'supporters', tell them to stay away, WE do not need these supporters. Hearts quite rightly values it's history and it's rightful position as a 'family' club. Now is the time to protect that status. Regards Bob Skeldon Fantastic - I agree with everything you say here. Can you PM me the details to send a similar letter to? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Anyway this thread is getting borring and we should really be more intrested in getting behind the team after a heavy defeat instead of trying to slag fellow supporters we should be sticking together and getting our selfs back on track.WE ARE DOWN BUT NOT OUT ive no heard the bell sound yet Come on jambos a will on sat and wed puts us right back in there was trying not to think about the team today. yeah we`ll bounce back. c`mon the hearts get into these pigfarmers on saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 Fantastic - I agree with everything you say here. Can you PM me the details to send a similar letter to? thanks I have emailed you the contact email address for David Southern, good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabigjc Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You know what your going to get at these games, so you just have to take it on the chin if you choose to go. People on here are making out that these people who are the scummiest people to walk this earth. There are a lot worse things going on than people singing a few songs. I would be very surprised if the people complaining about it have never took part in a 'naughty' song. I bet you sing about the hibs being gay? Is that not wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pepper Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thought it may be worth introducing my email to David Southern at this point: Hi David I felt compelled to write to my club this morning having woken up with a sense of both anger and frustration. These feelings have not been evoked because of our defeat last night, but by the people who constantly embarrass the club with their behaviour. Whilst acknowledging and recognising that the 'away' supports of Celtic, Rangers AND Hearts tend to bring together the lowest common denominator of human behaviour, last night was exceptionally bad in the Hearts section! Lets put aside the usual jolly song about Brittania ruling the waves etc which our Union Jack clad group rejoice in, I am much more concerned about the significant number of HMFC's away support who think it is great fun to sing about 1 'Us' being Billy boys who are up to our knees in Fenian blood (this song is banned under current legislation) 2 A incident in history in which up to 1 million people inc children died as a result of hunger and disease (this song is banned under current legislation) 3 A song or two about child sexual abuse and 'beasting', asking "who shagged all the boys" or "your only here for the ball boys" is quite simply disgusting and shows not an ounce of empathy for the many, many victims of child sexual abuse (past and present) who were in the stadium last night wearing maroon or green. Given that the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by a family member or close associate of that family, there may have been a significant number of children at the game ladt night who were taken there by their abuser! (this is my profession, so I talk with some knowledge) However, even parents/carers who simply wanted to take their son/daughter to the match last night may have been confronted with a child asking what these songs were about! I would also be very surprised if VR knows that a reasonably significant number of supporters of his club consider child sexual abuse to be so amusing! 4 During the minutes applause for someone's dad, granda, husband, partner, friend etc who happened to be an ex Celtic player, which many Hearts fans took part in, there were significant numbers who didn't and many shouts of e.g. "am no clappin ya shower o f****n b******s am gald he is deid! I have two requests I would like my club to consider 1 Raising the issue of policing with the relevant authorities as last night I spoke to two officers during the rendition of 'the famine song' and suggested they start arresting individuals for clearly and unashamedly singing a song which is an 'arrestable' offence. Whilst being supportive and acknowledging that is what they would like to do and should be doing, it was simply a question of and I quote "manpower". What is the point of legislation if enforcing it is in practice totally 'unworkable'? 2 Be brave, Scott Wilson's usual stuff about HMFC and asking people (very nicely) not to sing bad songs or make nasty comments is falling on very deaf ears with a significant number of individuals who watch Hearts. The time has come for my club to make a stand, something I am positive Vladimir Romanov would support, re these issues. Can the club publicly condemn e.g. Programmes, local and national media etc that WE do not want these 'supporters', tell them to stay away, WE do not need these supporters. Hearts quite rightly values it's history and it's rightful position as a 'family' club. Now is the time to protect that status. Regards Bob Skeldon David Southern will wipe his arse with that to be frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 You know what your going to get at these games, so you just have to take it on the chin if you choose to go. People on here are making out that these people who are the scummiest people to walk this earth. There are a lot worse things going on than people singing a few songs. I would be very surprised if the people complaining about it have never took part in a 'naughty' song. I bet you sing about the hibs being gay? Is that not wrong? So sorry to disappoint you in your wee bubble of a world but actually I have never sang anything about anyone being gay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 was trying not to think about the team today. yeah we`ll bounce back. c`mon the hearts get into these pigfarmers on saturday. Better not call them pig farmers as some folk will send in a letter to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 So sorry to disappoint you in your wee bubble of a world but actually I have never sang anything about anyone being gay! should the supporters who sang it at that semi final shindig be banned, bob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Anyway this thread is getting borring and we should really be more intrested in getting behind the team after a heavy defeat instead of trying to slag fellow supporters we should be sticking together and getting our selfs back on track.WE ARE DOWN BUT NOT OUT ive no heard the bell sound yet Come on jambos a will on sat and wed puts us right back in there We were "down" the minute the final whistle went 3 weeks ago at the end of the St Johnstone Cup-tie. That was our one and only chance of winning anything this season, the win against Rangers was good but we won thanks mainly to Kello in goal. The game next week at Ibrox will end up similar to last nights at Parkheid. Our recent records against St Johnstone are not too great, i'll happily take a scrappy 1-0 victory, if only to keep the teams below us at a safe distance thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabigjc Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 So sorry to disappoint you in your wee bubble of a world but actually I have never sang anything about anyone being gay! [/quote I don't believe for a second you have never sang 'oh the hibees are gay' or that you have never sang a naughty song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Better not call them pig farmers as some folk will send in a letter to complain. ruined my cunning bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 So sorry to disappoint you in your wee bubble of a world but actually I have never sang anything about anyone being gay! So at the semi final against hibs when near enough everyone was singing oh the hibees are gay you stood shaking your head thinking about how much a disgrace it was, eager to get onto kb or similar to start your rant. Get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts of Vladland Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Can you send that email to Gary Locke? Gary probably sungs hullo hullo and many other sectarian songs when he was the same age as the boys in question and would probably laugh at the email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 David Southern will wipe his arse with that to be frank Do you think this because of a particular experience of David wiping his arse with one of your emails or letters? Having raised a few issues with DS, I can assure you my experience has been entirely positive and he will without doubt respond as unlike many other on here he does have Hearts best interests at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 ruined my cunning bait Sorry bud,wished i left it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Do you think this because of a particular experience of David wiping his arse with one of your emails or letters? Having raised a few issues with DS, I can assure you my experience has been entirely positive and he will without doubt respond as unlike many other on here he does have Hearts best interests at heart. should the fans who sing the hibees are gay song be identified and banned bob? i answered your questions yes/no. c`mon bob stop hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 A few points about Bob Skeltons e-mail to our (sorry HIS) club : He implies that the Hearts away support is the "lowest of the low" As a member of that support along with a good number of my friends, I strongly object to such generalisations which I find both offensive and completely wrong. He says that a "significant number" of fans sing unacceptable songs. Sorry but from where I was it is only a very small percentage. He says that victims of child abuse may have been there with the perpetrators of such vile acts and it is wrong to expose them to such chants. Well in my opinion the only people that should be uncomfortable being exposed to such chants would the so-called "beasts " themselves. He advises our (sorry HIS) club to make a stance and set an example against these people. Will Heart of Midlothian work hard to do just that and are often praised for their work in this area, they don't need some moral crusader to tell them how to deal with fans who break their already well publicised rules. He states in his rant to our (again sorry, HIS) club that celtic and rangers are equally guilty of such behaviour. I would be interested in seeing a copy of his e-mails that he has surely sent to those clubs. After all if someone has been left with such a feeling of "anger and frustration" over the actions of a very small number of silly wee boys last night then he must be beside himself anger and frustration with the actions that he must constantly witness by the fans of those two clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thanks, I would appreciate it. From previous experience, David will provide a response to my email. That being the case here's hoping he doesnt say "Oh Oh, Its another email from that nutter Bob" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pepper Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Do you think this because of a particular experience of David wiping his arse with one of your emails or letters? Having raised a few issues with DS, I can assure you my experience has been entirely positive and he will without doubt respond as unlike many other on here he does have Hearts best interests at heart. He will wipe his arse with your letter because its poorly written nonsense, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I'd like to just clarify that "Aiden McGeady, was shagged by a priest" was hilarious and entirely acceptable when it was sung last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Bob, i would love to believe that this will change anything but unfortunately... It probably won't, good luck and all that but... I just dinnae see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 should the supporters who sang it at that semi final shindig be banned, bob? You know as well as me that the process of banning that many supporters is impossible, however does that make the song acceptable i.e. the more people sing it the more acceptable it is. Germany changed their national anthem despite everyone singing it, they changed it because it was a bad song that they did not want modern Germans to sing. I think that Hearts should state very clearly that this particular song is in fact 'homophobic' as it uses the term 'gay' in derogatory terms and every week Hearts (through Scott Wilson) tell people not to use homophobic language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffdanum Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Some people have to much time on their hands, life is life, things happen, people have different view points/beliefs....jus get over it...if you can't there is self help groups out in the wide world for you to go bleating to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabigjc Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You know as well as me that the process of banning that many supporters is impossible, however does that make the song acceptable i.e. the more people sing it the more acceptable it is. Germany changed their national anthem despite everyone singing it, they changed it because it was a bad song that they did not want modern Germans to sing. I think that Hearts should state very clearly that this particular song is in fact 'homophobic' as it uses the term 'gay' in derogatory terms and every week Hearts (through Scott Wilson) tell people not to use homophobic language. So your saying if every body in the Hearts end last night was singing 'who shagged all the boys' it would be more acceptable than just the half that were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest C00l K1d Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You know as well as me that the process of banning that many supporters is impossible, however does that make the song acceptable i.e. the more people sing it the more acceptable it is. Germany changed their national anthem despite everyone singing it, they changed it because it was a bad song that they did not want modern Germans to sing. I think that Hearts should state very clearly that this particular song is in fact 'homophobic' as it uses the term 'gay' in derogatory terms and every week Hearts (through Scott Wilson) tell people not to use homophobic language. Omw come of it. You're at the wind up surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thought it may be worth introducing my email to David Southern at this point: Hi David I felt compelled to write to my club this morning having woken up with a sense of both anger and frustration. These feelings have not been evoked because of our defeat last night, but by the people who constantly embarrass the club with their behaviour. Whilst acknowledging and recognising that the 'away' supports of Celtic, Rangers AND Hearts tend to bring together the lowest common denominator of human behaviour, last night was exceptionally bad in the Hearts section! Lets put aside the usual jolly song about Brittania ruling the waves etc which our Union Jack clad group rejoice in, I am much more concerned about the significant number of HMFC's away support who think it is great fun to sing about 1 'Us' being Billy boys who are up to our knees in Fenian blood (this song is banned under current legislation) 2 A incident in history in which up to 1 million people inc children died as a result of hunger and disease (this song is banned under current legislation) 3 A song or two about child sexual abuse and 'beasting', asking "who shagged all the boys" or "your only here for the ball boys" is quite simply disgusting and shows not an ounce of empathy for the many, many victims of child sexual abuse (past and present) who were in the stadium last night wearing maroon or green. Given that the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by a family member or close associate of that family, there may have been a significant number of children at the game ladt night who were taken there by their abuser! (this is my profession, so I talk with some knowledge) However, even parents/carers who simply wanted to take their son/daughter to the match last night may have been confronted with a child asking what these songs were about! I would also be very surprised if VR knows that a reasonably significant number of supporters of his club consider child sexual abuse to be so amusing! 4 During the minutes applause for someone's dad, granda, husband, partner, friend etc who happened to be an ex Celtic player, which many Hearts fans took part in, there were significant numbers who didn't and many shouts of e.g. "am no clappin ya shower o f****n b******s am gald he is deid! I have two requests I would like my club to consider 1 Raising the issue of policing with the relevant authorities as last night I spoke to two officers during the rendition of 'the famine song' and suggested they start arresting individuals for clearly and unashamedly singing a song which is an 'arrestable' offence. Whilst being supportive and acknowledging that is what they would like to do and should be doing, it was simply a question of and I quote "manpower". What is the point of legislation if enforcing it is in practice totally 'unworkable'? 2 Be brave, Scott Wilson's usual stuff about HMFC and asking people (very nicely) not to sing bad songs or make nasty comments is falling on very deaf ears with a significant number of individuals who watch Hearts. The time has come for my club to make a stand, something I am positive Vladimir Romanov would support, re these issues. Can the club publicly condemn e.g. Programmes, local and national media etc that WE do not want these 'supporters', tell them to stay away, WE do not need these supporters. Hearts quite rightly values it's history and it's rightful position as a 'family' club. Now is the time to protect that status. Regards Bob Skeldon Without doubt the worse post/letter ever written on Kickback ! Was there anything you were not offended by ? For the fact there was nothing worse last night that is not the usual of parkhead ! I have being genuine offended by some of the hearts fans in the past were there have crossed the line, an example would be in zagerb were a 3-4 people were shouting ******* coons at the black players. I'm not going to get upset if a few, and by that mean 9-10 people start singing about potaotes. These people are neds first, and hearts fans second ! i hope for your sake you don't go back to celtic park as i fear you may have a heart attack ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Do you think this because of a particular experience of David wiping his arse with one of your emails or letters? Having raised a few issues with DS, I can assure you my experience has been entirely positive and he will without doubt respond as unlike many other on here he does have Hearts best interests at heart. Bob, are you seriously suggesting that some on this thread dont have the best interests of YOUR club at Heart ?. I personally know some on this thread, some of whom views you seem to abhor, but let me assure you of this, a couple are shareholders of your club, have been following the club for many many years home and away, have never ever been arrested and 100% have the best interests of HMFC at heart. It could be suggested that its you who doesnt have the best interests of the club at heart with the stance you are taking, or to use your own words "The Moral High Ground". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You know as well as me that the process of banning that many supporters is impossible, however does that make the song acceptable i.e. the more people sing it the more acceptable it is. Germany changed their national anthem despite everyone singing it, they changed it because it was a bad song that they did not want modern Germans to sing. I think that Hearts should state very clearly that this particular song is in fact 'homophobic' as it uses the term 'gay' in derogatory terms and every week Hearts (through Scott Wilson) tell people not to use homophobic language. I think the problem with crusades such as yours is that you tar everyone with the same brush. You're not going to get much support when you target everyone who chanted "Beast" at Allan McGregor, for example. When you reach for the green pen and fire off a complaint, remember that. In fact that's not the only problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You know as well as me that the process of banning that many supporters is impossible, however does that make the song acceptable i.e. the more people sing it the more acceptable it is. Germany changed their national anthem despite everyone singing it, they changed it because it was a bad song that they did not want modern Germans to sing. I think that Hearts should state very clearly that this particular song is in fact 'homophobic' as it uses the term 'gay' in derogatory terms and every week Hearts (through Scott Wilson) tell people not to use homophobic language. thats a cop out. by your rationale (your choice of word btw) because all fans can`t be recognised no attempt should be made to root out as many as possible and ban them? once again i never said anything was acceptable. not once in this thread. IN YOUR OPINION BOB SHOULD FANS WHO SING THE HIBEES ARE GAY BE BANNED? save the german lectures bob. nobody in our support has taken part in the holocaust it is hardly comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Why don't the lords of morals give us a list of what songs are allowed and which aren't ! or are they too busy sitting on the fecking hands and booing the team to actually start singing anything ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 A few points about Bob Skeltons e-mail to our (sorry HIS) club : He implies that the Hearts away support is the "lowest of the low" As a member of that support along with a good number of my friends, I strongly object to such generalisations which I find both offensive and completely wrong. He says that a "significant number" of fans sing unacceptable songs. Sorry but from where I was it is only a very small percentage. He says that victims of child abuse may have been there with the perpetrators of such vile acts and it is wrong to expose them to such chants. Well in my opinion the only people that should be uncomfortable being exposed to such chants would the so-called "beasts " themselves. He advises our (sorry HIS) club to make a stance and set an example against these people. Will Heart of Midlothian work hard to do just that and are often praised for their work in this area, they don't need some moral crusader to tell them how to deal with fans who break their already well publicised rules. He states in his rant to our (again sorry, HIS) club that celtic and rangers are equally guilty of such behaviour. I would be interested in seeing a copy of his e-mails that he has surely sent to those clubs. After all if someone has been left with such a feeling of "anger and frustration" over the actions of a very small number of silly wee boys last night then he must be beside himself anger and frustration with the actions that he must constantly witness by the fans of those two clubs. I am also a member of that way support. Are Hearts not your club e.g. when asked do you say Hearts are my club or do you say Hearts are not only my club but just in case anyone gets upset it's also theirs! Pedantic and Pathetic. You are obviously totally unaware of the impact child sexual abuse has on it's victims but I will excuse this lack of knowledge. If as a child-care professional I told you that this singing may have a massive impact on a child, would you change your mind? It would appear that Hearts do in fact need a 'moral crusader' as their message clearly isn't working! I have no interest whatsoever in what Celtic or Rangers fans do, sing etc That is for others, I am concerned about HMFC What is your small percentage is in my opinion significant e.g. we had around 1100 people at the game last night, many of these songs were belted out not by a few but by hundreds (and not silly wee boys but some very big silly Billy's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yea i do know what u mean but when scotland play international games no1 bothers about us boing the britsh anthem or singing abusive songs towards england.The fact is i aint gonna lie i hate everything about celtic and rangers but no matter what people say on here if i heard 59k celtic fans hurling abuse at our fans of course im gonna sing abuse back if some of our fans cant handle the heat they should stay away FACT is most of the fans where singing abuse at celtic last nite and they aint part time fans as i see them at every away game i go to its just the fact when ur at parkhead its a hostile place and our fans react to it .1 other point when celtic last came to tynie what about there songs ie shove ur poppy up ur ase and destroyin our cattering stands and fighting with the cops sorry hearts vs celtic games will always have a hostile atmosphere if you dont like it simply dont go there So because they sang the poppy crap that makes it alright for us to sing other rubbish then aye?, lower ourselves to their standards aye? I do stay away from Parkheid and Hunbrox, hate the both of them, i couldn't give a flying fig what songs Rangers or Celtic fans sing, i don't get offended by them singing their religious ditties, most of them are that thick they don't know what they're singing about, they're more to be pittied than scorned at but i am offended by Celtic fans believing Hearts fans are Rangers fans in disguise and if Hearts fans are singing Rule Britannia at them then they're just pandering to what they believe anyway. Any "Hearts" fan that sings britannia isn't a Hearts fan.Incidentally, i always boo Rangers fans when they sing that and that other little favourite God save, both sets of fans are disgusting and are beneath contempt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Heaney Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Without doubt the worse post/letter ever written on Kickback ! Was there anything you were not offended by ? For the fact there was nothing worse last night that is not the usual of parkhead ! I have being genuine offended by some of the hearts fans in the past were there have crossed the line, an example would be in zagerb were a 3-4 people were shouting ******* coons at the black players. I'm not going to get upset if a few, and by that mean 9-10 people start singing about potaotes. These people are neds first, and hearts fans second ! i hope for your sake you don't go back to celtic park as i fear you may have a heart attack ! I do not condone the behaviour of those who promote bigotry or hatred at a fitba match (although Bob seems to be doing a bit of hating in his own right, both of a section of our fans and a couple of other clubs....but hey, thats ok). But I also dont condone someone throwing a hot cup of coffee over fans when they dont like the songs they are singing. Wonder if Bob scribbled a wee note to the club about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 So at the semi final against hibs when near enough everyone was singing oh the hibees are gay you stood shaking your head thinking about how much a disgrace it was, eager to get onto kb or similar to start your rant. Get a grip Correct apart from being eager to get onto JKB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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