Victorian Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: Its more about how long governments delayed acting, and what mistakes/incompetence cost lives. It's about a great many things. It will still report in terms of what was done well/right and what was done badly/wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Lee Cain and Dominic Cummings will be next up on Tuesday to claim it wasn't their fault. Cummings will almost certainly blame the "shopping trolley" (an appropriate nickname for someone, whose direction changes without warning). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Victorian said: It's a real stretch that people claim that lockdowns have been proved to have been unnecessary. That's a fairytale and deeply dishonest in some cases. Being well prepared and having competent people at the helm may well have limited the scale of loss and harm and may well have allowed lockdowns to be less restrictive. But there is absolutely no evidence worth the name that indicates that lockdowns were not absolutely required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Apart from in the countries like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea that didn't. I do agree with lockdowns and that they saves lives. But more prepared countries didn't have to. Been a while since I've looked into it but, I think that the countires that were affected by SAARs did a lot better than those that didn't? Lessons learned during that period would have helped with preparation for COVID. Along with being more prepared, those countries have a culture of wearing masks and taking other precautions when you're ill. There will be other, similar variables that contributed to their relative success. Edited October 31, 2023 by Bindy Badgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Lee Cain and Dominic Cummings will be next up on Tuesday to claim it wasn't their fault. Cummings will almost certainly blame the "shopping trolley" (an appropriate nickname for someone, whose direction changes without warning). Cummings is a horrible, loathsome, machiavellian ***t. The manipulative wee survivor will no doubt worm his way out of any blame. I'd be lumming up the stake for the *******, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Lee Cain - In early January 2020 he believed that preparations for a pandemic were "the best in the world". Now where have I heard that phase before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Lee Cain - In early January 2020 he believed that preparations for a pandemic were "the best in the world". Now where have I heard that phase before? Strange. That was around the time that the very top of government were failing to even take the thing seriously at all. With no 'playbook', no COBRA meetings, no breifings with the PM, etc. World leading disinterest and paralysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 17 hours ago, indianajones said: Whats being done to stop the gain of function research that caused the virus and where is the accountability? Whats the government plans on fixing numerous areas of carnage by locking down the entire country? Those two would be a good start. This phase of the enquiry is about governance rather than the science as such. There's plenty of comment about Johnson, Sunak, Handcock, Williamson and others ignoring the science but they're not diving into what the actual science is/was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Lee Cain - In early January 2020 he believed that preparations for a pandemic were "the best in the world". Now where have I heard that phase before? They only prepared for a flu pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Have we reached the point yet where the usual suspects have stopped trashing the Scotgov handling of the pandemic to focus on the better handling of it by Westminster ? Or are they looking the other way, as usual. Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 hours ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: What's so funny ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Cummings up now https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/health-67244704 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Cummings is a horrible, loathsome, machiavellian ***t. The manipulative wee survivor will no doubt worm his way out of any blame. I'd be lumming up the stake for the *******, personally. As long as he sticks the boot into Johnson he's a top bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The Sky News warnings and apologies for 'offensive language' has been a highlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: The Sky News warnings and apologies for 'offensive language' has been a highlight. Just wondering how the JKB swearie filter copes with Cummings 😜 Q: You called cabinet ministers “useless ****pigs”, “morons” and “*****”. Were these views shared by others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 This enquiry is a total waste of time and money, only the lawyer's will make a fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, periodictabledancer said: Have we reached the point yet where the usual suspects have stopped trashing the Scotgov handling of the pandemic to focus on the better handling of it by Westminster ? Or are they looking the other way, as usual. Asking for a friend. Aye, because only the one lot made a ***t of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Aye, because only the one lot made a ***t of it. Scotland Made just as much a fevk up of it all but was more slickly presented by Nicky and her muppets . They “ appeared “ more competent . They weren’t . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 "The wrong type of crisis for Johnson's skill set." Has to be one of the best/worst/most appalling euphemisms to paper over the guy's complete unsuitability to ever have been allowed into #10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Scotland Made just as much a fevk up of it all but was more slickly presented by Nicky and her muppets . They “ appeared “ more competent . They weren’t . Do you therefore agree that the Scotland's government, civil servants and scientific advisors could be described as below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Do you therefore agree that the Scotland's government, civil servants and scientific advisors could be described as below. Probably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Probably Is your view clouded by your initial personal dislike of mask wearing and your subsequent conversion to an anti lockdown and latterly anti vax stance? I personally think that only Cummings' references to "decades of accumulated power" and "no real scrutiny & insight" apply to both Westminster and Holyrood. I know that you now hate NS with a passion, but her presentation skills and knowledge of her brief were far ahead of BJ's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Is your view clouded by your initial personal dislike of mask wearing and your subsequent conversion to an anti lockdown and latterly anti vax stance? I personally think that only Cummings' references to "decades of accumulated power" and "no real scrutiny & insight" apply to both Westminster and Holyrood. I know that you now hate NS with a passion, but her presentation skills and knowledge of her brief were far ahead of BJ's. Oh we shall see regarding sturgeon and her Govt management of it all . It’ll come out in the wash . It’ll be a big manky durty wash too . Just like BJ . I was pro Choice regarding the vax , not entirely against it. Funny enough I’ve an appointment tomorrow for the latest update to it but I’ll be skipping that . I’ll take the flu one though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Is your view clouded by your initial personal dislike of mask wearing and your subsequent conversion to an anti lockdown and latterly anti vax stance? I personally think that only Cummings' references to "decades of accumulated power" and "no real scrutiny & insight" apply to both Westminster and Holyrood. I know that you now hate NS with a passion, but her presentation skills and knowledge of her brief were far ahead of BJ's. No my view was certainly not “ clouded” by my dislike of her . I admired her before covid but saw right through her during her tenure , like many others did . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Is your view clouded by your initial personal dislike of mask wearing and your subsequent conversion to an anti lockdown and latterly anti vax stance? I personally think that only Cummings' references to "decades of accumulated power" and "no real scrutiny & insight" apply to both Westminster and Holyrood. I know that you now hate NS with a passion, but her presentation skills and knowledge of her brief were far ahead of BJ's. You forgot to add the poster Disinfectanting shopping during Covid19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 This should be on every front page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, Costanza said: This should be on every front page. That's f*****g disgusting. If he's ever ill I hope it's nothing trivial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Costanza said: This should be on every front page. I hope that nature has a way for dealing with absolute ^^^^s and I hope it befalls Johnson very soon. And that it's highly cuntagious and befalls all those around him. Tee-hee! When I wrote the word with asterisks, the C and the asterisks got auto-censored but nothing happened when I put it into 'contagious' to reflect the type of people I hope it affects. Edited October 31, 2023 by I P Knightley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Do you therefore agree that the Scotland's government, civil servants and scientific advisors could be described as below. I'd agree with Cummings...if anything it understates it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, RobboM said: Just wondering how the JKB swearie filter copes with Cummings 😜 Q: You called cabinet ministers “useless ****pigs”, “morons” and “*****”. Were these views shared by others? about 60% of the country perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said: You forgot to add the poster Disinfectanting shopping during Covid19. And bleaching his farter ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: And bleaching his farter ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: No my view was certainly not “ clouded” by my dislike of her . I admired her before covid but saw right through her during her tenure , like many others did . so many on here lapped-up her daily look-at-me show and her crocodile tears theyre no where to be seen now tho 🤷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I had the broadcast on in the background and it was fairly entertaining to have Cummings ripping into all his colleagues but became pretty pathetic when he had to cover his own arse (a) for being a bully & misogynist and (b ) when tackled about his sight-testing drive to Barnard Castle. Odious wee prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: so many on here lapped-up her daily look-at-me show and her crocodile tears theyre no where to be seen now tho 🤷 Aye. We Ur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: so many on here lapped-up her daily look-at-me show and her crocodile tears theyre no where to be seen now tho 🤷 Yep. She could do no wrong. They seem to forget when she played with businesses livelihoods and peoples mental health by deciding to be " different " from England. The most notorious example was just before Xmas 2021 when she and her mob diverged from England and locked us down. I haven't forgot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 29 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: so many on here lapped-up her daily look-at-me show and her crocodile tears theyre no where to be seen now tho 🤷 Hi ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Some of that evidence of the early days government interactions is genuinely insane stuff. Chickenpox parties and Hatt Mancock repeatedly spreading misinformation despite being repeatedly corrected by the Chief Scientific Adviser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 58 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Hi ya! 😃👍 it’s no the same as the good old days tho when any mention of “wee nippy” would have you straight on with a facepalm like an exuberant Labrador chasing after a ball ⚽️ 🐕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Aye. We Ur. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: 😃👍 it’s no the same as the good old days tho when any mention of “wee nippy” would have you straight on with a facepalm like an exuberant Labrador chasing after a ball ⚽️ 🐕 You can't beat nostalgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: You can't beat nostalgia. Jimmy bone and Sandy Clark leading the line those were the days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: Jimmy bone and Sandy Clark leading the line those were the days 👍 If only we had their like again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Cummings is a horrible, loathsome, machiavellian ***t. The manipulative wee survivor will no doubt worm his way out of any blame. I'd be lumming up the stake for the *******, personally. 100%. He got a cabal of thief's and liars and he managed their election. We get and have got what we voted for. To hear him give evidence and like water off a ducks back he just shrugged of his involvement. Insidious and as far away from conservative values as you could hope to be. The WhatsApp revelations shows the petty carefree entitlement of a certain class of people in the UK. I suppose every nation has them but the current state of this lot takes some beating. I'm trying to remember such a decline . I think the political class will always be dodgy.Its the lack of sense of honour that does my head in. People used to resign to protect the integrity of the position. That's a real loss to the character of the UK. Sorry bit longwinded Edited October 31, 2023 by Ked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said: Jimmy bone and Sandy Clark leading the line those were the days Team. Spirit. Blends of style . Those days are my honeymoon with the Hearts. I miss the criminality as well. 😀 Felt part of a family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 What a grotesque waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: What a grotesque waste of money. Jimmy Bone and Sandy Clark? Never! Gordan Petric, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, Ked said: Team. Spirit. Blends of style . Those days are my honeymoon with the Hearts. I miss the criminality as well. 😀 Felt part of a family. best days of our lives plus the latterly won Scottish cups Anyway back to the covid stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoncurMacdonaldMercer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, Ked said: 100%. He got a cabal of thief's and liars and he managed their election. We get and have got what we voted for. To hear him give evidence and like water off a ducks back he just shrugged of his involvement. Insidious and as far away from conservative values as you could hope to be. The WhatsApp revelations shows the petty carefree entitlement of a certain class of people in the UK. I suppose every nation has them but the current state of this lot takes some beating. I'm trying to remember such a decline . I think the political class will always be dodgy.Its the lack of sense of honour that does my head in. People used to resign to protect the integrity of the position. That's a real loss to the character of the UK. Sorry bit longwinded I only heard bits of it but cummings sort of hanged himself he had a ****in opinion on everything and everyone (probably posts on here) but when he was asked specifically about things he might have done he came out with something like …. ‘I didn’t think it was my place to ………’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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