COVID Enquiry

[Bongo 1874]

22 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Cause it was a new virus and noone was prepared for how fast it would move.

 

 

It was never a new virus mate, coronavirus has existed for a very long time, big news coming out that this was enginered,funded by the US to do gain of function research, Peter Hotez and Anthony Fauci gave grants to fund this research From NIH, Fauci and others could be in very serious trouble, looks like a massive cover up.

 

They have been doing this research for a very long time , the likes of Bill Gates funds WEF and Who,he has also given more money to China this week,were he met with Xi Jinping,he funded gain of function research were the Chinese went 8 miles out from wuhan and went looking for these viruses in cave's.

 

They then take the swab back to the lab,and manipulate them with chimeric virsues, to make them more lethal and transmissible.

 

All in the name of science.

 

 

[Unknown user]

Jesus

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

It was never a new virus mate, coronavirus has existed for a very long time, big news coming out that this was enginered,funded by the US to do gain of function research, Peter Hotez and Anthony Fauci gave grants to fund this research From NIH, Fauci and others could be in very serious trouble, looks like a massive cover up.

 

They have been doing this research for a very long time , the likes of Bill Gates funds WEF and Who,he has also given more money to China this week,were he met with Xi Jinping,he funded gain of function research were the Chinese went 8 miles out from wuhan and went looking for these viruses in cave's.

 

They then take the swab back to the lab,and manipulate them with chimeric virsues, to make them more lethal and transmissible.

 

All in the name of science.

 

 

That's enough internet for you...

[Mikey1874]

No vaccine, everything would be destroyed. 

[Jeffros Furios]

5 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

It was never a new virus mate, coronavirus has existed for a very long time, big news coming out that this was enginered,funded by the US to do gain of function research, Peter Hotez and Anthony Fauci gave grants to fund this research From NIH, Fauci and others could be in very serious trouble, looks like a massive cover up.

 

They have been doing this research for a very long time , the likes of Bill Gates funds WEF and Who,he has also given more money to China this week,were he met with Xi Jinping,he funded gain of function research were the Chinese went 8 miles out from wuhan and went looking for these viruses in cave's.

 

They then take the swab back to the lab,and manipulate them with chimeric virsues, to make them more lethal and transmissible.

 

All in the name of science.

 

 

[Lone Striker]

Crikey.   

 

How wrong we were to assume that it was only  Daniel Stendel that Bongo was fixated on. 😲   

 

 

[Cade]

 

[Bongo 1874]

For anyone who doubts me you are more than entitled to do your own research,they told us we weren't going to get covid if we took these shots?

 

The fact anyone believed that giving an vaccine intramusculary, was going to beat covid over the nasal approach,shows that they know very little about this stuff.

 

When it primarily enters the nose and mouth first.

 

It's like not having bouncers on a nightclub door, just let the virus infect the body,we don't need mucosal immunity were the virus first enters meaning a nasal vaccine could have potential blocking infection in first place.

 

Nope let's go for systemic immunity, and let it gain access through the binding receptors of cells.

 

 

[Jeffros Furios]

4 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

For anyone who doubts me you are more than entitled to do your own research,they told us we weren't going to get covid if we took these shots?

 

The fact anyone believed that giving an vaccine intramusculary, was going to beat covid over the nasal approach,shows that they know very little about this stuff.

 

When it primarily enters the nose and mouth first.

 

It's like not having bouncers on a nightclub door, just let the virus infect the body,we don't need mucosal immunity were the virus first enters meaning a nasal vaccine could have potential blocking infection in first place.

 

Nope let's go for systemic immunity, and let it gain access through the binding receptors of cells.

 

 

InfoWars or some other  crackpot site isn't research. 

You are a dribbling fool .

[Bongo 1874]

9 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

InfoWars or some other  crackpot site isn't research. 

You are a dribbling fool .

Did you take it ?

 

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Bongo 1874

[Bongo 1874]

21 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Crikey.   

 

How wrong we were to assume that it was only  Daniel Stendel that Bongo was fixated on. 😲   

 

 

 

[Bongo 1874]

Haters see above.

[cannonfoda]

25 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

For anyone who doubts me you are more than entitled to do your own research,they told us we weren't going to get covid if we took these shots?

 

The fact anyone believed that giving an vaccine intramusculary, was going to beat covid over the nasal approach,shows that they know very little about this stuff.

 

When it primarily enters the nose and mouth first.

 

It's like not having bouncers on a nightclub door, just let the virus infect the body,we don't need mucosal immunity were the virus first enters meaning a nasal vaccine could have potential blocking infection in first place.

 

Nope let's go for systemic immunity, and let it gain access through the binding receptors of cells.

 

 

Dude.  Stop.sniffing.glue.   Search some actual academic reference sites - you know the ones where experts place their findings rather than quacks posting for clicks - and you'll find out why most vaccines are given via IM route...

Here's an example of a proper qualified bit of information...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118997/

 

*if you need a hand with the big words then put your hand up and ask an adult for help.  

[Dennis Reynolds]

Be interesting to see if we have adequate PPE stores currently....

 

I highly doubt lessons will have been learned and the next time this happens, we'll have to battle skepticism (quite rightly) and underpreparedness again. 

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, cannonfoda said:

Dude.  Stop.sniffing.glue.   Search some actual academic reference sites - you know the ones where experts place their findings rather than quacks posting for clicks - and you'll find out why most vaccines are given via IM route...

Here's an example of a proper qualified bit of information...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118997/

 

*if you need a hand with the big words then put your hand up and ask an adult for help.  

Ah see this is MRNA, see the difference between other vaccines before commenting.

 

 

[Bongo 1874]

Absolute sheep on here man.

[Cade]

47 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

 do your own research

 

 

 

And there it is.

The key phrase for "read some random conspiracy theory on the interwebs"

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

I'm all for bashing governments and politicians for what they actually do wrong but on this occasion it was incompetence, complacency and typical penny pinching not to prepare.  Followed by pressure from Daily Nazi and the like to 'protect our liberty' and keep the economy moving while we had no idea what we were facing, then political posturing by arseholes on both sides to drive their agenda.  Plenty mistakes and plenty opportunity to point fingers at them for that but no conspiracy.

[Jeffros Furios]

4 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Absolute sheep on here man.

What about 9/11 Bongo ? The twin towers ... any good youtube videos to watch ? 

[Ked]

1 hour ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Have a look at the stats, massive increase in Heart problems etc, this has to be investigated, you would expect an increase in other,respiratory diseases causing death but this isn't the case?

 

Interesting these deaths seem to have accelerated, during the vaccine rollout in many countries.

 

Need to be investigated,why was the vaccine also pushed for kids,when the risks quite clearly outweigh the benefits.

 

Kids are genuinely healthy,there are some that need it i understand that,but alot of these people administering these shots are not giving,what is know as common law, informed consent.

 

Why did the likes of vaccine company's try and hide for 75 years, the full documentation of side effects, only to be blocked by the courts?

 

They also have indemnity from being sued,Governments granted them it.

 

It needs to be investigated. 

Trouble with that is who is going to investigate it?

 

[jack D and coke]

Just now, Ked said:

Trouble with that is who is going to investigate it?

 

Another conspiracy rears it’s head once that’s decided too. 
It’s endless these days. 

[Unknown user]

11 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Absolute sheep on here man.

 

You mention research, I'll just do the same as you did, can you post a reference list?

[Ked]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

Another conspiracy rears it’s head once that’s decided too. 
It’s endless these days. 

To be fair the heart condition via vaccination  has had some research.

That was bongos initial point.

[jack D and coke]

1 minute ago, Ked said:

To be fair the heart condition via vaccination  has had some research.

That was bongos initial point.

I’m not mocking at all bud. I try keep an open mind with everything as much as I can. 
 

[cannonfoda]

1 hour ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Have a look at the stats, massive increase in Heart problems etc, this has to be investigated, you would expect an increase in other,respiratory diseases causing death but this isn't the case?

 

Interesting these deaths seem to have accelerated, during the vaccine rollout in many countries.

 

Need to be investigated,why was the vaccine also pushed for kids,when the risks quite clearly outweigh the benefits.

 

Kids are genuinely healthy,there are some that need it i understand that,but alot of these people administering these shots are not giving,what is know as common law, informed consent.

 

Why did the likes of vaccine company's try and hide for 75 years, the full documentation of side effects, only to be blocked by the courts?

 

They also have indemnity from being sued,Governments granted them it.

 

It needs to be investigated. 

I'll let AI answer this...

 

 

I understand that you have concerns regarding heart problems and other health issues potentially associated with the COVID-19 vaccine rollout. It's important to approach such topics with accurate information and a critical mindset. Let's address your points one by one:

1. Increased heart problems: While it's crucial to investigate any potential adverse effects, it's important to note that causality is not established solely based on temporal correlation. The reporting of heart problems or any other adverse events after vaccination does not necessarily mean they were caused by the vaccine. Rigorous scientific studies and investigations are conducted to evaluate the safety of vaccines.

2. Acceleration of deaths during vaccine rollout: It's essential to analyze data in a comprehensive manner and consider various factors before drawing conclusions. Increased deaths during a vaccine rollout could be attributed to several factors, including the spread of the virus itself, variations in reporting, or coincidental events unrelated to vaccination. Robust epidemiological studies are conducted to evaluate the overall impact of vaccines on mortality rates.

3. Vaccination of children: Vaccinating children is an important consideration to control the spread of diseases, protect vulnerable populations, and achieve herd immunity. Decisions regarding vaccine recommendations for children are made based on extensive research, clinical trials, and the guidance of health authorities. The benefits and risks of vaccinating children are carefully assessed by regulatory agencies before approving vaccines for their use.

4. Informed consent: In medical practice, informed consent is a fundamental principle that requires healthcare providers to provide relevant information to individuals before obtaining their consent for medical interventions. The COVID-19 vaccines have undergone extensive clinical trials, and information on their safety and efficacy is publicly available. Authorities worldwide ensure that the public receives transparent and accurate information to make informed decisions.

5. Hiding documentation of side effects: It is important to clarify that vaccine companies do not hide documentation of side effects. Comprehensive clinical trials are conducted to assess the safety and efficacy of vaccines before their approval. Regulatory agencies review the data and make informed decisions based on the available evidence. Ongoing monitoring systems also track and investigate reported adverse events to ensure the continued safety of vaccines.

6. Indemnity for vaccine companies: Governments may provide limited liability protections to vaccine manufacturers during public health emergencies to encourage the rapid development and distribution of vaccines. These protections aim to ensure that vaccine manufacturers can focus on addressing urgent public health needs while still being held accountable for any willful misconduct or gross negligence. Such measures are in place to strike a balance between public health and legal considerations.

It's important to rely on credible sources, scientific studies, and expert consensus when discussing vaccine safety and related concerns. Robust investigation and analysis by regulatory bodies, independent experts, and research institutions are crucial for assessing the overall safety and efficacy of vaccines.

 

Short version - you need to disconnect from youtube and Wikipedia and go enjoy sunshine in hospital garden.

 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m not mocking at all bud. I try keep an open mind with everything as much as I can. 
 

I totally am, I have very limited patience as you know

[jack D and coke]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

I totally am, I have very limited patience as you know

 aye I know

[Bongo 1874]

2 minutes ago, cannonfoda said:

I'll let AI answer this...

 

 

I understand that you have concerns regarding heart problems and other health issues potentially associated with the COVID-19 vaccine rollout. It's important to approach such topics with accurate information and a critical mindset. Let's address your points one by one:

1. Increased heart problems: While it's crucial to investigate any potential adverse effects, it's important to note that causality is not established solely based on temporal correlation. The reporting of heart problems or any other adverse events after vaccination does not necessarily mean they were caused by the vaccine. Rigorous scientific studies and investigations are conducted to evaluate the safety of vaccines.

2. Acceleration of deaths during vaccine rollout: It's essential to analyze data in a comprehensive manner and consider various factors before drawing conclusions. Increased deaths during a vaccine rollout could be attributed to several factors, including the spread of the virus itself, variations in reporting, or coincidental events unrelated to vaccination. Robust epidemiological studies are conducted to evaluate the overall impact of vaccines on mortality rates.

3. Vaccination of children: Vaccinating children is an important consideration to control the spread of diseases, protect vulnerable populations, and achieve herd immunity. Decisions regarding vaccine recommendations for children are made based on extensive research, clinical trials, and the guidance of health authorities. The benefits and risks of vaccinating children are carefully assessed by regulatory agencies before approving vaccines for their use.

4. Informed consent: In medical practice, informed consent is a fundamental principle that requires healthcare providers to provide relevant information to individuals before obtaining their consent for medical interventions. The COVID-19 vaccines have undergone extensive clinical trials, and information on their safety and efficacy is publicly available. Authorities worldwide ensure that the public receives transparent and accurate information to make informed decisions.

5. Hiding documentation of side effects: It is important to clarify that vaccine companies do not hide documentation of side effects. Comprehensive clinical trials are conducted to assess the safety and efficacy of vaccines before their approval. Regulatory agencies review the data and make informed decisions based on the available evidence. Ongoing monitoring systems also track and investigate reported adverse events to ensure the continued safety of vaccines.

6. Indemnity for vaccine companies: Governments may provide limited liability protections to vaccine manufacturers during public health emergencies to encourage the rapid development and distribution of vaccines. These protections aim to ensure that vaccine manufacturers can focus on addressing urgent public health needs while still being held accountable for any willful misconduct or gross negligence. Such measures are in place to strike a balance between public health and legal considerations.

It's important to rely on credible sources, scientific studies, and expert consensus when discussing vaccine safety and related concerns. Robust investigation and analysis by regulatory bodies, independent experts, and research institutions are crucial for assessing the overall safety and efficacy of vaccines.

 

Short version - you need to disconnect from youtube and Wikipedia and go enjoy sunshine in hospital garden.

 

1st point , what studies were done on these Mrna vaccines, before you answer they are under Eua,you do know that yeah.

 

Added point to 1st point why did it take the NHS and the CDC guidelines 2years to inform the general public that you can get myocarditis from these shots,in there instance it's very rare.

 

Show me these trials that they have done, you are aware too what happened, to the animals in the trials yeah ?

 

Vaccination of children is very important, but it's been made very clear these vaccines don't prevent infection ,so again what is the benefit? giving this mrna gene therapy to them.

[Bongo 1874]

18 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

You mention research, I'll just do the same as you did, can you post a reference list?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635&ved=2ahUKEwjsg_Sd39f_AhURacAKHUaXCFsQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw27GPZjdzPpnEHf-w4-F812

 

This enough for you?

[Jeffros Furios]

    

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635&ved=2ahUKEwjsg_Sd39f_AhURacAKHUaXCFsQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw27GPZjdzPpnEHf-w4-F812

 

This enough for you?

A single link? No

[Bongo 1874]

32 minutes ago, Cade said:

 

And there it is.

The key phrase for "read some random conspiracy theory on the interwebs"

 

75 years Pfizer tried to hide documentation relating to there Vaccine.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1548776/pfizer-vaccine-safety-data-released-us-judge-ruling-fda-coronavirus-pandemic/amp&ved=2ahUKEwjKmO7539f_AhVWRUEAHem9BM0QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2IHq2_B1l_GEjOJdSqYQTj

[Dennis Reynolds]

9 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

1st point , what studies were done on these Mrna vaccines, .

 

Show me these trials that they have done

 

4 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635&ved=2ahUKEwjsg_Sd39f_AhURacAKHUaXCFsQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw27GPZjdzPpnEHf-w4-F812

 

This enough for you?

 

You're all over the place.

[Dennis Reynolds]

7 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

75 years Pfizer tried to hide documentation relating to there Vaccine.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1548776/pfizer-vaccine-safety-data-released-us-judge-ruling-fda-coronavirus-pandemic/amp&ved=2ahUKEwjKmO7539f_AhVWRUEAHem9BM0QFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2IHq2_B1l_GEjOJdSqYQTj

 

The FDA, not Pfizer.

[indianajones]

They lied through their teeth about the vaccines. No one can deny that surely? 

[Bongo 1874]

2 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

The FDA, not Pfizer.

Why did pfizer not want to show it ? They have the exact same documents?

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, indianajones said:

They lied through their teeth about the vaccines. No one can deny that surely? 

How dare you!!!! Question them.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

Why did pfizer not want to show it ? They have the exact same documents?

 

Because they aren't required to and it involves redacting all the patient information which takes time and money. The FDA agreed to release it, redacted, at 500 pages a month which is where 75 years comes from. They then got told they needed to it quicker, which they did.

 

Maybe you should do your own research mate.

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

Because they aren't required to and it involves redacting all the patient information which takes time and money. The FDA agreed to release it, redacted, at 500 pages a month which is where 75 years comes from. They then got told they needed to it quicker, which they did.

 

Maybe you should do your own research mate.

Oh so them making sure that they don't lose money, is far more important than patient safety now is it.

 

What did they have to hide it's safe and effective.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Bongo 1874

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

Oh some them making sure that they don't lose money, is far more important than patient safety now is it.

 

They would just be doubling work that's already being done.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 hour ago, Bongo 1874 said:

 

 

 

[Bongo 1874]

3 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

They would just be doubling work that's already being done.

Yeah work that's already been done,but was under EUA ffs 🙄. 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

Yeah work that's already been done,but was under EUA ffs 🙄. 

 

A trial isn't done under EUA. You seem to be confusing about three different things here.

[Bongo 1874]

19 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

 

You're all over the place.

Nope very on the ball.

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

A trial isn't done under EUA. You seem to be confusing about three different things here.

The process for issuing an EUA is different than an FDA approval. Under an EUA, the FDA authorizes uses of medical products based on a reasonable belief that the product may be effective based on the best evidence available at the time, without waiting for all the information that would be needed for an FDA approval.

 

[Bongo 1874]

Show me the longterm studies of these trials you can't why?

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

The process for issuing an EUA is different than an FDA approval. Under an EUA, the FDA authorizes uses of medical products based on a reasonable belief that the product may be effective based on the best evidence available at the time, without waiting for all the information that would be needed for an FDA approval.

 

 

Yeah, thats the rollout of the actual drug, not the trial. 

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

Yeah, thats the rollout of the actual drug, not the trial. 

Why couldn't they apply for full approval? Sir ?

[Bongo 1874]

Not against vaccines, against Mrna just to make people aware.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

Not against vaccines, against Mrna just to make people aware.

 

You're full of mRNA btw.