*** Hearts Summer Transfer Window 2022 - Snodgrass signs ***

[Sooks]

2 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Why do I have a horrible feeling our sell on fee for Hickey is tiny?

Because we have made a mess of so many transfer fees for young players previously ……… do what it is worth I am a bit cynical too

[Sooks]

Atkinson has been good so far

[jambopilms]

9 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

😆😆😂😂🤦‍♂️

 

for **** sake.  The very definition of a modern fullback Atkinson.  Works his ****ing balls off, brave on the ball! Takes chances.. and excellent attacking outlet..  needs to work on the defensive side a bit.

 

i ****ing despair sometimes 

Did you watch him on Saturday ? Must have lost the ball 50% of the time, mostly in dangerous areas. It's something the badly needs to work on. No point being brave on the ball if you give it away cheaply and often.

 

 

[Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine]

20% of the profit if the fee was 18m would be 3.3m, and 30% of that would be due to Celtic. So all told around 2.3m would be our proceeds. 

[kingantti1874]

12 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Atkinson has been good so far

not even up for debate. I sometimes wonder what planet our supporters live on.

 

he has been absolutely instrumental in our run since the start of January.  
 

so ****ing what if he gives the ball away a couple of times.. always tries to affect the game. Never hides, the runs he makes and his enthusiasm makes space for others 

 

Sure he has to work on stuff, not many young players who don’t have areas to improve ..brilliant signing and will move on to bigger things 

Edited May 10, 2022 by kingantti1874

[jamboinglasgow]

I do wonder if Arsenal are trying to get it sealed as soon as possible, it could mean they are put a price higher than expected so Bologna dont say no or wait for more bids.

[Rick Sanchez]

2 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

20% of the profit if the fee was 18m would be 3.3m, and 30% of that would be due to Celtic. So all told around 2.3m would be our proceeds. 

 

Sellick get nowt.

[TyphoonJambo]

1 minute ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

20% of the profit if the fee was 18m would be 3.3m, and 30% of that would be due to Celtic. So all told around 2.3m would be our proceeds. 

Savage confirmed that Celtic are not due any further payments.

[MattyK82]

6 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

20% of the profit if the fee was 18m would be 3.3m, and 30% of that would be due to Celtic. So all told around 2.3m would be our proceeds. 

Celtic got their sell on fee when we sold him to Bologna. They are due nothing.

[Sooks]

6 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

not even up for debate. I sometimes wonder what planet our supporters live on.

 

he has been absolutely instrumental in our run since the start of January.  
 

so ****ing what if he gives the ball away a couple of times.. always tries to affect the game. Never hides, the runs he makes and his enthusiasm makes space for others 

 

Sure he has to work on stuff, not many young players who don’t have areas to improve ..brilliant signing and will move on to bigger things 

Yes totally agree

[BackOfTheNet]

Carrying on from this morning’s chat about 25 man European squads and club grown/home grown players, I decided to look at what we currently have (minus confirmed and expected departures), to see where we may stand when it comes to spaces available for potential transfer targets.

 

(C) = Club grown / (H) = Homegrown

(We need at least 8 squad players home grown at a Scottish club, and at least 4 of them need to be club grown)

 

Goalkeepers

Gordon (C)

Stewart (H)

Stone (C)

 

Defenders

Smith

Kingsley (H)

Atkinson

Halkett (H)

Sibbick

Cochrane

 

Midfielders

Baningime

McEneff

Devlin

Halliday (H)

Pollock (C)

 

Attacking Midfielders

GMS (H)

Woodburn

McKay (H)

Ginnelly

Forwards

Boyce

Simms 🤞 

Henderson (C)

That’s a squad of 21. Thats also assuming some players who are rumoured to be staying behind their loan stay, and that some players out on loan return and are part of the squad.

 

From those 21, 3 are club grown, 1 of which (Pollock) wouldn’t have to actually be included in the squad as he’s young enough that he can still play without being registered in the 25.

 

So, what that means is if that is to be our squad, we’d have 4 spaces in the squad (or 5 if Pollock isn’t registered). However, as we need at least 4 club grown players, we’d be short either 1 or 2. Which would mean we really only have a squad of 24 (or 23 if Pollock not registered) we can fill.

 

In reality, that means we only have space for 3 new players. If talk of Forrest and Shankland is true, then we only have 1 space left. If the talk of Charles-Cook has any truth to it, that’s the squad full. No more spaces.

 

If that’s the case, then any more new signings would need to replace names in the above squad. Baningime would make sense as is rumoured to be out until the end to the year, and Group games will be done by November. So there’s 1. Maybe McEneff and GMS? But they’re under contract, so would be difficult to move on, and if we can’t and we don’t register them then they won’t be happy players.

 

Just something to consider when we’re talking about all these potential signings and using the carrot of European football to lure them. We really are actually a little limited in just how many we can bring in because of the rules.

Edited May 10, 2022 by BackOfTheNet

[Cruyff]

26 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Atkinson has been good so far

Atkinson is excellent and will be even better next season. 

[Berra than you]

5 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Carrying on from this morning’s chat about 25 man European squads and club grown/home grown players, I decided to look at what we currently have (minus confirmed and expected departures), to see where we may stand when it comes to spaces available for potential transfer targets.

 

(C) = Club grown / (H) = Homegrown

(We need at least 8 squad players home grown at a Scottish club, and at least 4 of them need to be club grown)

 

Goalkeepers

Gordon (C)

Stewart (H)

Stone (C)

 

Defenders

Smith

Kingsley (H)

Atkinson

Halkett (H)

Sibbick

Cochrane

 

Midfielders

Baningime

McEneff

Devlin

Halliday (H)

Pollock (H)

 

Attacking Midfielders

GMS (H)

Woodburn

McKay (H)

Ginnelly

Forwards

Boyce

Simms 🤞 

Henderson (C)

That’s a squad of 21. Thats also assuming some players who are rumoured to be staying behind their loan stay, and that some players out on loan return and are part of the squad.

 

From those 21, 3 are club grown, 1 of which (Pollock) wouldn’t have to actually be included in the squad as he’s young enough that he can still play without being registered in the 25.

 

So, what that means is if that is to be our squad, we’d have 4 spaces in the squad (or 5 if Pollock isn’t registered). However, as we need at least 4 club grown players, we’d be short either 1 or 2. Which would mean we really only have a squad of 24 (or 23 if Pollock not registered) we can fill.

 

In reality, that means we only have space for 3 new players. If talk of Forrest and Shankland is true, then we only have 1 space left. If the talk of Charles-Cook has any truth to it, that’s the squad full. No more spaces.

 

If that’s the case, then any more new signings would need to replace names in the above squad. Baningime would make sense as is rumoured to be out until the end to the year, and Group games will be done by November. So there’s 1. Maybe McEneff and GMS? But they’re under contract, so would be difficult to move on, and if we can’t and we don’t register them then they won’t be happy players.

 

Just something to consider when we’re talking about all these potential signings and using the carrot of European football to lure them. We really are actually a little limited in just how many we can bring in because of the rules.

You've not included Pollock as club grown in your list? In which case we wouldn't be short any?

[johnking123]

McEneff will go at end of season.

[Dick Dastardly]

42 minutes ago, MattyK82 said:

I’ll raise you to £27.75M 😏

£27.75 and we get him on loan for a season. Beat that

[BackOfTheNet]

4 minutes ago, Berra than you said:

You've not included Pollock as club grown in your list? In which case we wouldn't be short any?

Yeah, edited that - he was actually meant - likelihood is we won’t register Stone. As Stewart will be registered and you only need to register two keepers. We might be able to class Stone as a youngster too I think.

 

Forgot to mention that in the original post of course!

[Batistuta87]

47 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

I'm going for 18million. Hopefully we have a sell on %.  🤞

 

Apparently 15%. 

 

[Berra than you]

1 minute ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Yeah, edited that - he was actually meant - likelihood is we won’t register Stone. As Stewart will be registered and you only need to register two keepers. We might be able to class Stone as a youngster too I think.

 

Forgot to mention that in the original post of course!

👍

[OTT]

20 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Carrying on from this morning’s chat about 25 man European squads and club grown/home grown players, I decided to look at what we currently have (minus confirmed and expected departures), to see where we may stand when it comes to spaces available for potential transfer targets.

 

(C) = Club grown / (H) = Homegrown

(We need at least 8 squad players home grown at a Scottish club, and at least 4 of them need to be club grown)

 

Goalkeepers

Gordon (C)

Stewart (H)

Stone (C)

 

Defenders

Smith

Kingsley (H)

Atkinson

Halkett (H)

Sibbick

Cochrane

 

Midfielders

Baningime

McEneff

Devlin

Halliday (H)

Pollock (C)

 

Attacking Midfielders

GMS (H)

Woodburn

McKay (H)

Ginnelly

Forwards

Boyce

Simms 🤞 

Henderson (C)

That’s a squad of 21. Thats also assuming some players who are rumoured to be staying behind their loan stay, and that some players out on loan return and are part of the squad.

 

From those 21, 3 are club grown, 1 of which (Pollock) wouldn’t have to actually be included in the squad as he’s young enough that he can still play without being registered in the 25.

 

So, what that means is if that is to be our squad, we’d have 4 spaces in the squad (or 5 if Pollock isn’t registered). However, as we need at least 4 club grown players, we’d be short either 1 or 2. Which would mean we really only have a squad of 24 (or 23 if Pollock not registered) we can fill.

 

In reality, that means we only have space for 3 new players. If talk of Forrest and Shankland is true, then we only have 1 space left. If the talk of Charles-Cook has any truth to it, that’s the squad full. No more spaces.

 

If that’s the case, then any more new signings would need to replace names in the above squad. Baningime would make sense as is rumoured to be out until the end to the year, and Group games will be done by November. So there’s 1. Maybe McEneff and GMS? But they’re under contract, so would be difficult to move on, and if we can’t and we don’t register them then they won’t be happy players.

 

Just something to consider when we’re talking about all these potential signings and using the carrot of European football to lure them. We really are actually a little limited in just how many we can bring in because of the rules.

 

If we wanted to boost our club grown numbers, as previous mentioned: Paterson, Wallace, MacDonald and Irving would all help boost up that number. If we got Aaron Pressley on loan, could he? I know he was with us at youth level to a point, then joined Villa. Obviously this is a suggestion if our current academy crop aren't up to standard. 

 

Appreciate folk don't like signing previous players, but it would be one method of gaming the system a bit, especially if our academy laddies aren't really up to it. Perhaps we'll see Stone, Flatman, McGill, Pollock and Henderson all in the first team. 

 

EDIT: Suppose if Robbie was worried about not meeting the club grown numbers he'd not have let Walker go?

Edited May 10, 2022 by OTT

[MattyK82]

4 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

£27.75 and we get him on loan for a season. Beat that

[Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine]

21 minutes ago, MattyK82 said:

Celtic got their sell on fee when we sold him to Bologna. They are due nothing.

Didnt know that, that’s just how it works in football manager, thats’s about the extent of my knowledge of transfer dealings haha

[BackOfTheNet]

1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

If we wanted to boost our club grown numbers, as previous mentioned: Paterson, Wallace, MacDonald and Irving would all help boost up that number. If we got Aaron Pressley on loan, could he? I know he was with us at youth level to a point, then joined Villa. Obviously this is a suggestion if our current academy crop aren't up to standard. 

 

Appreciate folk don't like signing previous players, but it would be one method of gaming the system a bit, especially if our academy laddies aren't really up to it. Perhaps we'll see Stone, Flatman, McGill, Pollock and Henderson all in the first team. 

But the question would still remain even if we were to class those 4 as club grown. Would we trust Stone, Pollock or Henderson in a European game? Or do we replace them with names like you’ve mentioned above as squad fillers. But even if just registration fillers, would still leave only 4 spaces for new signings, and 2 have been effectively spoken for if rumours to be believed, and one also rumoured in RCC. So we’d need departures if expecting more signings, and especially if we’re expecting players a stronger calibre than Forrest/Shankland.

[JimmyCant]

14 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Carrying on from this morning’s chat about 25 man European squads and club grown/home grown players, I decided to look at what we currently have (minus confirmed and expected departures), to see where we may stand when it comes to spaces available for potential transfer targets.

 

(C) = Club grown / (H) = Homegrown

(We need at least 8 squad players home grown at a Scottish club, and at least 4 of them need to be club grown)

 

Goalkeepers

Gordon (C)

Stewart (H)

Stone (C)

 

Defenders

Smith

Kingsley (H)

Atkinson

Halkett (H)

Sibbick

Cochrane

 

Midfielders

Baningime

McEneff

Devlin

Halliday (H)

Pollock (C)

 

Attacking Midfielders

GMS (H)

Woodburn

McKay (H)

Ginnelly

Forwards

Boyce

Simms 🤞 

Henderson (C)

That’s a squad of 21. Thats also assuming some players who are rumoured to be staying behind their loan stay, and that some players out on loan return and are part of the squad.

 

From those 21, 3 are club grown, 1 of which (Pollock) wouldn’t have to actually be included in the squad as he’s young enough that he can still play without being registered in the 25.

 

So, what that means is if that is to be our squad, we’d have 4 spaces in the squad (or 5 if Pollock isn’t registered). However, as we need at least 4 club grown players, we’d be short either 1 or 2. Which would mean we really only have a squad of 24 (or 23 if Pollock not registered) we can fill.

 

In reality, that means we only have space for 3 new players. If talk of Forrest and Shankland is true, then we only have 1 space left. If the talk of Charles-Cook has any truth to it, that’s the squad full. No more spaces.

 

If that’s the case, then any more new signings would need to replace names in the above squad. Baningime would make sense as is rumoured to be out until the end to the year, and Group games will be done by November. So there’s 1. Maybe McEneff and GMS? But they’re under contract, so would be difficult to move on, and if we can’t and we don’t register them then they won’t be happy players.

 

Just something to consider when we’re talking about all these potential signings and using the carrot of European football to lure them. We really are actually a little limited in just how many we can bring in because of the rules.

Sorry but you’ve based this on a seriously flawed assumption. We’re not building a squad aimed at 8 games in Europe. It’s great to be there but it’s 8 games. We’re actually building a squad to maintain and try to improve our domestic position so that this European campaign isn’t a one off 

 

I think we’ll have a normal transfer window where we sign good players and release dead wood. We won’t even think about the 25 until we’re done. Once we’re done we’ll look at the whole squad we’ve assembled and we’ll pick 25 from that. We’re not going to stop signing players because we’ve reached the European quota. Serious mistake if we do. Some senior players who don’t fit into the homegrown category and maybe some who do, are not going to make the 25. Every time we sign a first team starter, a GMS or Mcaneff  moves closer to dropping out of the Euro squad. Beningame won’t be in the squad either so even by your process that’s another space.

[The Treasurer]

1 hour ago, Batistuta87 said:

Apologies chief ✌🏻️

👍

[BackOfTheNet]

8 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Sorry but you’ve based this on a seriously flawed assumption. We’re not building a squad aimed at 8 games in Europe. It’s great to be there but it’s 8 games. We’re actually building a squad to maintain and try to improve our domestic position so that this European campaign isn’t a one off 

 

I think we’ll have a normal transfer window where we sign good players and release dead wood. We won’t even think about the 25 until we’re done. Once we’re done we’ll look at the whole squad we’ve assembled and we’ll pick 25 from that. We’re not going to stop signing players because we’ve reached the European quota. Serious mistake if we do. Some senior players who don’t fit into the homegrown category and maybe some who do, are not going to make the 25. Every time we sign a first team starter, a GMS or Mcaneff  moves closer to dropping out of the Euro squad. Beningame won’t be in the squad either so even by your process that’s another space.

I literally said that about Baningime in the post you quoted.

 

But you can say we’re not planning a squad for 8 European games, but that’s the carrot we’ll dangle in front of potential new targets. Do you think if we sign Forrest and don’t include him in the Euro squad he’ll just be okay with that? Or more likely, do you think players still with us come the close of the transfer window will be happy if they’re not included in the squad.

 

You or I can just dismiss these variables or potential scenarios, but the management team can’t. They have to worry about squad harmony and cohesion. About players having appetite to play and motivation. That’s why the squad will need to be balanced. The squad registration will play a huge role in every Hearts player next season, so it has to be a major consideration overall too.

[Sooks]

41 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Atkinson is excellent and will be even better next season. 

You do not need to convince me JC

[RobNox]

27 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

Didnt know that, that’s just how it works in football manager, thats’s about the extent of my knowledge of transfer dealings haha

Tbf, it's probably more than Ian Gordon's knowledge 😂

[JimmyCant]

22 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

I literally said that about Baningime in the post you quoted.

 

But you can say we’re not planning a squad for 8 European games, but that’s the carrot we’ll dangle in front of potential new targets. Do you think if we sign Forrest and don’t include him in the Euro squad he’ll just be okay with that? Or more likely, do you think players still with us come the close of the transfer window will be happy if they’re not included in the squad.

 

You or I can just dismiss these variables or potential scenarios, but the management team can’t. They have to worry about squad harmony and cohesion. About players having appetite to play and motivation. That’s why the squad will need to be balanced. The squad registration will play a huge role in every Hearts player next season, so it has to be a major consideration overall too.

Apologies I now see you covered Beni

 

I’d be quite surprised if we made a signing this summer who DOESNT appear in the Euro squad.

 

Who to leave out, and we’ll be leaving players out, is a tough decision a tough manager needs to take. Anyone left out initially would still have a chance to get back in as you can replace 2 players, as long as you still fulfil the criteria. That’s an incentive for anyone left out. If your not good enough to get into a 25 man squad then your probably wasting your time at Hearts anyway because your not getting much game time in The league either probably 

 

It’s a problem. But it’s a better problem than counting fit bodies on a Thursday afternoon and hoping it adds up to more than 11 who can do a job.

 

I honestly don’t give a toss if GMS or Mcaneff misses out and takes the huff (I’m not convinced either of them will be at Hearts next season anyway) 

Edited May 10, 2022 by JimmyCant

[franco2209]

1 hour ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

20% of the profit if the fee was 18m would be 3.3m, and 30% of that would be due to Celtic. So all told around 2.3m would be our proceeds. 

No concrete info of £18m transfer, Celtic not due anything, No evidence of 20% clause to Hearts, 20%  of 18m is £3.6m.....apart from that, spot on😄

[R1874]

Gordon, Cammy Logan, C. smith, Hendo

 

Halks, Mckay, GMS, Halliday. Maybe Forrest

 

Covers homegrown quota

[BackOfTheNet]

4 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Apologies I now see you covered Beni

 

I’d be quite surprised if we made a signing this summer who DOESNT appear in the Euro squad.

 

Who to leave out, and we’ll be leaving players out, is a tough decision a tough manager needs to take. Anyone left out initially would still have a chance to get back in as you can replace 2 players, as long as you still fulfil the criteria. That’s an incentive for anyone left out. If your not good enough to get into a 25 man squad then your probably wasting your time at Hearts anyway because your not getting much game time in The league either probably 

 

It’s a problem. But it’s a better problem than counting fit bodies on a Thursday afternoon and hoping it adds up to more than 11 who can do a job.

 

I honestly don’t give a toss if GMS or Mcaneff misses out and takes the huff (I’m not convinced either of them will be at Hearts next season anyway) 

I get that. But that’s where as you say it’s a tough call. Question is, is it better to have players who don’t make the registration (like, say, GMS and McEneff) still hang around to be available during congested fixture points - knowing they may not have the best motivational reason to hang around and may have a negative impact on overall squad harmony - or is it better to not have these guys in the squad at all and have our overall squad left a couple of bodies short? It’s a tougher call than some may think I’d wager.

[BackOfTheNet]

3 minutes ago, R1874 said:

Gordon, Cammy Logan, C. smith, Hendo

 

Halks, Mckay, GMS, Halliday. Maybe Forrest

 

Covers homegrown quota

Question hasn’t been whether we can fill the quota, the questions have been whether the club grown is good enough quality and what impact (if any) having spaces taken up by the quotas will have on who we bring in and in particular how many in the summer window.

[JimmyCant]

6 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

I get that. But that’s where as you say it’s a tough call. Question is, is it better to have players who don’t make the registration (like, say, GMS and McEneff) still hang around to be available during congested fixture points - knowing they may not have the best motivational reason to hang around and may have a negative impact on overall squad harmony - or is it better to not have these guys in the squad at all and have our overall squad left a couple of bodies short? It’s a tougher call than some may think I’d wager.

I just think he’ll want to clear a wee bit of space.

GMS is approaching 32. He has a year left on his Hearts deal. I’d be astonished if he got extended so he might think he’d be better served dropping down a level and getting a 2-3 year somewhere else. I don’t think we would stand in the way of that.

 

Mcaneff is another Walker. A few times he’s made an impact as a sub, but he’s been an empty jersey most times he has started. I don’t know if it’s attitude, application, fitness or if he simply isn’t this level. I suspect the latter. Not sure how long he has on his deal but he’s bordering on behind dead wood and might want to start afresh somewhere else he can get a run in a team. Again I don’t think we’d stand in his way

 

The absolute last thing we should do is fill (5)places in a Euro squad and stop just because we reached a quota for 8 games (great of course if it’s more than that).

 

This could be a massive transfer window for us. We’ve got a bit of cash to seriously improve. I don’t want us to reach November, out of Europe, and struggling for depth and quality for the rest of the season. 

 

[BackOfTheNet]

16 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

I just think he’ll want to clear a wee bit of space.

GMS is approaching 32. He has a year left on his Hearts deal. I’d be astonished if he got extended so he might think he’d be better served dropping down a level and getting a 2-3 year somewhere else. I don’t think we would stand in the way of that.

 

Mcaneff is another Walker. A few times he’s made an impact as a sub, but he’s been an empty jersey most times he has started. I don’t know if it’s attitude, application, fitness or if he simply isn’t this level. I suspect the latter. Not sure how long he has on his deal but he’s bordering on behind dead wood and might want to start afresh somewhere else he can get a run in a team. Again I don’t think we’d stand in his way

 

The absolute last thing we should do is fill (5)places in a Euro squad and stop just because we reached a quota for 8 games (great of course if it’s more than that).

 

This could be a massive transfer window for us. We’ve got a bit of cash to seriously improve. I don’t want us to reach November, out of Europe, and struggling for depth and quality for the rest of the season. 

 

Agree with much of what you say, but that’s the tricky part isn’t it? As I say we have 3/4 spaces as is, but if we sell / free up GMS & McEneff it’s 5/6 spaces. But if Shankland and Forrest come in that’s back down to 3/4 spaces. As you said previously, any new signings will be in mind of being included in the squad, so we have to look at the squad again and see what we can free up. I suppose if we don’t sign Woodburn that’s another space. But there’s rumblings of that. If Simms doesn’t re-sign that’s another space. Ginnelly maybe? It’s tricky.

[JimmyCant]

I reckon 2-3 out and 6-7 in is close to where we’ll be. That will just about fit into a 25 man squad without unduly pissing anyone off 

3 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Agree with much of what you say, but that’s the tricky part isn’t it? As I say we have 3/4 spaces as is, but if we sell / free up GMS & McEneff it’s 5/6 spaces. But if Shankland and Forrest come in that’s back down to 3/4 spaces. As you said previously, any new signings will be in mind of being included in the squad, so we have to look at the squad again and see what we can free up. I suppose if we don’t sign Woodburn that’s another space. But there’s rumblings of that. If Simms doesn’t re-sign that’s another space. Ginnelly maybe? It’s tricky.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

2 hours ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

20% of the profit if the fee was 18m would be 3.3m, and 30% of that would be due to Celtic. So all told around 2.3m would be our proceeds. 

 

53 minutes ago, franco2209 said:

No concrete info of £18m transfer, Celtic not due anything, No evidence of 20% clause to Hearts, 20%  of 18m is £3.6m.....apart from that, spot on😄

Is there not a solidarity payment? All clubs involved in training a player get a certain percentage or a fee when a player is transferred? 

[OTT]

3 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

 

Is there not a solidarity payment? All clubs involved in training a player get a certain percentage or a fee when a player is transferred? 

I always thought the solidarity payment was really pathetic. Like a couple grand kind of thing?

[Dick Dastardly]

Just now, OTT said:

I always thought the solidarity payment was really pathetic. Like a couple grand kind of thing?

I've no idea really. Googling it right now! 

[Dick Dastardly]

I cant post a link to any websites but it seems that 5% of any transfer is split between all the clubs that have had a player up until they are 23. So we are entitled to a share of 5% of every transfer that Hickey ever makes, if I'm understanding it correctly 

Edit. Only applies to international transfers

Edited May 10, 2022 by Dick Dastardly

[Bazzas right boot]

8 minutes ago, OTT said:

I always thought the solidarity payment was really pathetic. Like a couple grand kind of thing?

 

 

It is. 

 

It's a tiny amount, fractions of a %. 

 

Every transfer has this.

 

 

[Dick Dastardly]

 

Unlike training compensation, solidarity contribution will only be payable upon the international transfer of a player who is already a professional, as a transfer fee is not payable for amateur players. As the solidarity contribution is dependent on the transfer fee, solidarity payments will only be payable if a player is transferred for a fee, prior to the expiry of his employment contract. Another difference from training compensation is that transfers occurring after the season of a player’s 23rd birthday will continue to engage the obligation to pay solidarity contribution.

The calculation of solidarity payments is slightly simpler than the calculation of training compensation. As a starting point, five percent of the transfer fee will be deducted, and divided between the clubs that trained the player between his 12th and 23rd birthday. The training years between the player’s 12th and 16th birthdays are valued at half of the of the value of the subsequent years. If the player is under 23 years old at the time of the transfer, the total solidarity payment will be less than five percent, as the compensation for the remaining years will be deducted. For every year that the player is younger than 23, 0.5% shall be deducted from 5%.

[Section Q]

I think we'll be a big draw for good players in mid table Championship in England who thought they'd never get the opportunity to play in a European competition. Would be chuffed to see Patterson signing. Experienced now and always puts in a shift. 

[BackOfTheNet]

3 hours ago, Section Q said:

I think we'll be a big draw for good players in mid table Championship in England who thought they'd never get the opportunity to play in a European competition. Would be chuffed to see Patterson signing. Experienced now and always puts in a shift. 

When was the last time you saw Paterson play? He’s not been any good for at least a couple of seasons now in my opinion.

[johnking123]

Callum Paterson is a massive no for me. Would not fit into the way we are trying to play. Fed up of hearing past players. We are moving on from that, unless they are real quality and fit to our system.

[Stu_HMFC]

4 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

Callum Paterson is a massive no for me. Would not fit into the way we are trying to play. Fed up of hearing past players. We are moving on from that, unless they are real quality and fit to our system.

Huge wage too.

 

If we were in the market for a midfielder and money was not an issue for wages and our scouts were already at Sheff Wed watching Calum I’d be wanting Barry Bannan 32yo but he is definitely the best player in league one.

Edited May 11, 2022 by Stu_HMFC

[Jambo 4 Ever]

11 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Huge wage too.

 

If we were in the market for a midfielder and money was not an issue for wages and our scouts were already at Sheff Wed watching Calum I’d be wanting Barry Bannan 32yo but he is definitely the best player in league one.

Jordan Rhodes perhaps?

[Uncle Buck]

The only player I would take back is Aaron Hickey and that’s not going to happen. Move on.

[BackOfTheNet]

11 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said:

The only player I would take back is Aaron Hickey and that’s not going to happen. Move on.

This

[Batistuta87]

4 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said:

The only player I would take back is Aaron Hickey and that’s not going to happen. Move on.

Yeah this constant pandering for everyone who has ever been half decent in a Hearts shirt is absolutely knackering isn't it. 

 

[Stu_HMFC]

32 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said:

The only player I would take back is Aaron Hickey and that’s not going to happen. Move on.

What about Jamie MacDonald , Andy Irving or Sam Nicholson 😂😂