*** Hearts Summer Transfer Window 2022 - Snodgrass signs ***

[Sertse]

 

He was linked with us the last 2 windows on here

 

 

[TheBigO]

12 hours ago, gov said:

Anyone heard of this guy? 

Famour relative.  Hardly played at a poor level.  HIbs all over it.

[number-16]

Malky Mackay will know how to inspire him then

[Sertse]

 

 

 

[Clark Griswold]

Today could be the day.... 

[biffy]

8 minutes ago, Sertse said:

 

 

 

that’s just the same article as yesterday 

[TheBigO]

16 minutes ago, number-16 said:

Malky Mackay will know how to inspire him then

Yikes, hope Malky deletes his texts.  "Guid on corners" etc, no doubt

[GavK1012]

2 minutes ago, biffy said:

that’s just the same article as yesterday 

Boooooooooo

[JimmyCant]

2 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

The difference in fitness was more to do with us having half a team, pretty much the whole spine, recovering from injuries and working their way back to fitness. We didn't have players of that quality on the bench. Rangers had a hard shift earlier in the week but they had more than adequate replacements in their squad to deal with that. 

I do think we also have a basic fitness issue. There were lots of games even early last season where we ran out of steam, sometimes our second half really dropped off and was first/second gear stuff having hit a good level first half. Our lack of really good options with legs on the bench didn’t help either so that’s at least one thing that looks like it’s going to be fixed.

Edited June 20, 2022 by JimmyCant

[FarmerTweedy]

7 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said:

Not a post about players but coaching staff. We definitely need more experienced sport scientists in our camp as that Cup Final game showed the difference in fitness. Sevco played 120m full pace midweek in Euro Final then out ran us in extra time 3 days later? I really think it’s all well having good players but they need to be supreme athletes nowadays. Not fag smoking, beer swilling, pie eating players of old. Not acceptable anymore. If you’re not 100% at you peak fitness level they shouldn’t play first team. 

I think this is largely nonsense, and the bit in bold a completely out of order slur on our players. 

 

The reality is that we were operating with a small squad last season and had a lot of injuries towards the end of the season, meaning that several of our cup final line-up were either rushed back from injury and hadn't had a chance to train or play enough to regain anything close to full fitness, or were carrying knocks into the final because we hadn't been able to give them the rests they'd needed prior to the final as we didn't have the depth of squad to replace them.  Sevco on the other hand, had a huge squad, meaning they were able to switch things around as they needed. Indeed, only six of their starting lineup in the cup final had started the Europa League final on the Wednesday. 

 

Finally, the idea that a team playing on a Wednesdays night would then be knackered the following Saturday was never anything other than wishful thinking on the part of many of our fans.  It's sad that several weeks later, some of our fans are still trying to use the idea as a stick to beat our coaching staff with.

[Gimme an H...]

4 minutes ago, FarmerTweedy said:

I think this is largely nonsense, and the bit in bold a completely out of order slur on our players. 

 

The reality is that we were operating with a small squad last season and had a lot of injuries towards the end of the season, meaning that several of our cup final line-up were either rushed back from injury and hadn't had a chance to train or play enough to regain anything close to full fitness, or were carrying knocks into the final because we hadn't been able to give them the rests they'd needed prior to the final as we didn't have the depth of squad to replace them.  Sevco on the other hand, had a huge squad, meaning they were able to switch things around as they needed. Indeed, only six of their starting lineup in the cup final had started the Europa League final on the Wednesday. 

 

Finally, the idea that a team playing on a Wednesdays night would then be knackered the following Saturday was never anything other than wishful thinking on the part of many of our fans.  It's sad that several weeks later, some of our fans are still trying to use the idea as a stick to beat our coaching staff with.

 

I don't think he meant it like that Tweedy......... 🤣

[wavydavy]

2 hours ago, bazman said:

 

Aberdeen must be favourites to sign him now they have sold Ramsay and looks like they may have to let Ferguson  go as well so they will have plenty cash. The only draw for us will be the European Football.

 

[Ribble]

7 minutes ago, FarmerTweedy said:

I think this is largely nonsense, and the bit in bold a completely out of order slur on our players. 

 

The reality is that we were operating with a small squad last season and had a lot of injuries towards the end of the season, meaning that several of our cup final line-up were either rushed back from injury and hadn't had a chance to train or play enough to regain anything close to full fitness, or were carrying knocks into the final because we hadn't been able to give them the rests they'd needed prior to the final as we didn't have the depth of squad to replace them.  Sevco on the other hand, had a huge squad, meaning they were able to switch things around as they needed. Indeed, only six of their starting lineup in the cup final had started the Europa League final on the Wednesday. 

 

Finally, the idea that a team playing on a Wednesdays night would then be knackered the following Saturday was never anything other than wishful thinking on the part of many of our fans.  It's sad that several weeks later, some of our fans are still trying to use the idea as a stick to beat our coaching staff with.

 

Also there is a huge difference between fitness and match fitness, we've seen it how many times in football where a team who has just finished pre-season and their general fitness is at the highest it'll be all season go into a euro qualifier against a lesser team who is in the middle of their season yet it is the 'lesser' team that looks fitter?

 

For the cup final we had players only just back from injury, some players (like Devlin and Atkinson) who will still be adjusting to the almost double matchday workload compared to Australia and even those that weren't injured/not fully fit were going into the game off the back of what amounted to no more than 5 friendly matches after the split as we had nothing to play for, Rangers with their bigger squad and less injuries were firing on all cylinders all they way up to the cup final. Even with a fully match fit squad we'd have been underdogs and required both a top performance from us and a poor performance by rangers for us to lift the cup, taking the game to extra time was a good effort all things considered. 

[Bazzas right boot]

2 hours ago, bazman said:

 

 

Our recent record of this is when you win you sone tones lose. 

 

Sammon. 

The midfielder from Derby 

Bates 

A couple of others iirc that have turned out to be shite. 

[Bazzas right boot]

8 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Aberdeen must be favourites to sign him now they have sold Ramsay and looks like they may have to let Ferguson  go as well so they will have plenty cash. The only draw for us will be the European Football.

 

 

Why, they don't have more money than us. 

 

 

[Waterboy]

29 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

I do think we also have a basic fitness issue. There were lots of games even early last season where we ran out of steam, sometimes our second half really dropped off and was first/second gear stuff having hit a good level first half. Our lack of really good options with legs on the bench didn’t help either so that’s at least one thing that looks like it’s going to be fixed.

 

Based on the 33 pre-split fixtures last season (unfortunately all that's available on the site I'm looking at):

 

- Only Celtic conceded less goals than Hearts in the last 15 minutes of games (Celtic 1, Hearts 4).

- Celtic, Rangers and Hearts the only sides to score more than they conceded in the last 15 minutes of games.

[Nookie Bear]

16 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Aberdeen must be favourites to sign him now they have sold Ramsay and looks like they may have to let Ferguson  go as well so they will have plenty cash. The only draw for us will be the European Football.

 

 

Not just European football, a settled squad that finished 3rd last season and is improving.

 

Aberdeen are a shambles of a club and it will take most of the Ramsay fee to turn it around.

[PapaShango]

2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Not just European football, a settled squad that finished 3rd last season and is improving.

 

Aberdeen are a shambles of a club and it will take most of the Ramsay fee to turn it around.

It will come down to what the player wants and I'm sure there have been conversations with him from both Aberdeen and Hearts. If he wants to kick on and make a decent career it would be a no brainer coming to Hearts with a more settled squad and European football along with living in a far better city in front of full houses every week. However there may be a factor with Goodwin having worked with him previously and if they offer him more money. 

[Sooks]

25 minutes ago, Ribble said:

 

Also there is a huge difference between fitness and match fitness, we've seen it how many times in football where a team who has just finished pre-season and their general fitness is at the highest it'll be all season go into a euro qualifier against a lesser team who is in the middle of their season yet it is the 'lesser' team that looks fitter?

 

For the cup final we had players only just back from injury, some players (like Devlin and Atkinson) who will still be adjusting to the almost double matchday workload compared to Australia and even those that weren't injured/not fully fit were going into the game off the back of what amounted to no more than 5 friendly matches after the split as we had nothing to play for, Rangers with their bigger squad and less injuries were firing on all cylinders all they way up to the cup final. Even with a fully match fit squad we'd have been underdogs and required both a top performance from us and a poor performance by rangers for us to lift the cup, taking the game to extra time was a good effort all things considered. 

 

Sorry I quoted the wrong person

Edited June 20, 2022 by Sooks

[RustyRightPeg]

22 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Aberdeen must be favourites to sign him now they have sold Ramsay and looks like they may have to let Ferguson  go as well so they will have plenty cash. The only draw for us will be the European Football.

 

Heads up your jeer if you think that

[Sooks]

27 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Aberdeen must be favourites to sign him now they have sold Ramsay and looks like they may have to let Ferguson  go as well so they will have plenty cash. The only draw for us will be the European Football.

 

The only draw for us over Aberdeen is European football , do you honestly believe that mate

[EH11]

29 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

The only draw for us will be the European Football.

 

Give this man a job in our marketing team.

[AlphonseCapone]

30 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Aberdeen must be favourites to sign him now they have sold Ramsay and looks like they may have to let Ferguson  go as well so they will have plenty cash. The only draw for us will be the European Football.

 

 

That's a horrendous and massively incorrect statement.

 

Playing in front of 17/18k sold out stadium versus barely hitting 10k not a draw? What about a settled team, management and club going forward versus a club that finished 10th, with a radge for an owner? What about living in Edinburgh? What about access to some of the best training facilities in the country? 

 

That's not even touching the fallacy that Aberdeen have suddenly become Scotland's Man City. 

[Biffa Bacon]

19 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Not just European football, a settled squad that finished 3rd last season and is improving.

 

Aberdeen are a shambles of a club and it will take most of the Ramsay fee to turn it around.

Wind the clock back a year, and that where Hibs thought they were, albeit we have guaranteed group stages in Europe. It didn't quite go according to their forecast.

[Sooks]

8 minutes ago, EH11 said:

Give this man a job in our marketing team.

 

5 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

That's a horrendous and massively incorrect statement.

 

Playing in front of 17/18k sold out stadium versus barely hitting 10k not a draw? What about a settled team, management and club going forward versus a club that finished 10th, with a radge for an owner? What about living in Edinburgh? What about access to some of the best training facilities in the country? 

 

That's not even touching the fallacy that Aberdeen have suddenly become Scotland's Man City. 

 

Hope he is not the tour guide or the narrator on the packs we send signing targets

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

I mentioned the Aberdeen hardmen on twitter toast night but why are they favourites now to sign all our targets?

 

So they have received an alleged £4.5m upfront for a player and £1m add on for McKenna.

 

Our fans seem to think we only have £3m extra to play with.

 

Don’t ignore the £2m league prize money for finishing 3rd. Can we say the semi and cup final money added £1.5m to the pot overall - tickets and prize money? Can we say that 4 home Euro games will sell out hospitality and all seats and add £2m to our pot? Can we say that Hickey moving will add around £2m? We will also have at least 50% more season tickets. We also have FOH - £1.5m approx.

 

Thats fag packet calcs of £10m

We will turnover £20m this next season for the first time ever.

 

Nothing to fear from Aberdeen at all.

 

I also think we may sell one of our assets this summer - that’s part of the model. Might be Cammy. Might be Kingsley or Halkett. Not what we want but look at who Aberdeen are losing - 3 or 4 key players.

 

Aberdeen are nowhere close to us

 

 

 

[Sooks]

1 minute ago, Biffa Bacon said:

Wind the clock back a year, and that where Hibs thought they were, albeit we have guaranteed group stages in Europe. It didn't quite go according to their forecast.

 

It was also before they revolutionised their recruitment department

[Absolute Scenes]

hmm tricky choice

 

establishment club, fan-owned, fan-backed, guaranteed European football with a visionary and ambitious coaching team, in the most beautiful city in Europe

 

living in a concrete jungle in a grey city, being invited to participate in questionable activities with farm animals, 500 miles from nowhere - for a "hopefully better" season

 

Come on Ronan, its really not that hard lad

 

 

Also, there's a fair few wet wipes in our support eh

Edited June 20, 2022 by Absolute Scenes

[kingantti1874]

3 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

I mentioned the Aberdeen hardmen on twitter toast night but why are they favourites now to sign all our targets?

 

So they have received an alleged £4.5m upfront for a player and £1m add on for McKenna.

 

Our fans seem to think we only have £3m extra to play with.

 

Don’t ignore the £2m league prize money for finishing 3rd. Can we say the semi and cup final money added £1.5m to the pot overall - tickets and prize money? Can we say that 4 home Euro games will sell out hospitality and all seats and add £2m to our pot? Can we say that Hickey moving will add around £2m? We will also have at least 50% more season tickets. We also have FOH - £1.5m approx.

 

Thats fag packet calcs of £10m

We will turnover £20m this next season for the first time ever.

 

Nothing to fear from Aberdeen at all.

 

I also think we may sell one of our assets this summer - that’s part of the model. Might be Cammy. Might be Kingsley or Halkett. Not what we want but look at who Aberdeen are losing - 3 or 4 key players.

 

Aberdeen are nowhere close to us

 

 

 

Spot on.  Aberdeen could out bid us, but if they do it will be because the are paying over the odds.

 

he’d also be joining a far better side, they are miles behind us right now and living in a much nicer city with the opportunity to play in far better stadiums 

[William H. Bonney]

Sure sign for us, but I warn you, if we're not in europe, its shite here. 

[JimmyCant]

34 minutes ago, PapaShango said:

It will come down to what the player wants and I'm sure there have been conversations with him from both Aberdeen and Hearts. If he wants to kick on and make a decent career it would be a no brainer coming to Hearts with a more settled squad and European football along with living in a far better city in front of full houses every week. However there may be a factor with Goodwin having worked with him previously and if they offer him more money. 

The other factor might be he’ll walk into Aberdeens team but not necessarily into ours

[Rory Mcilroy]

Not sure why the Goodwin relationship is key here, he'll be lucky to be in a job by xmas. Very naive of Ronan if that's the deciding factor.

 

 

[AndyNic]

Is Ronan really that special a player? 

 

Would it be a big loss if we were to miss out on him?

[innerjambo]

Just now, AndyNic said:

Is Ronan really that special a player? 

 

Would it be a big loss if we were to miss out on him?

 

This, getting worked up about an average player, when we should be targeting better.......imo

[BelgeJambo]

22 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

I mentioned the Aberdeen hardmen on twitter toast night but why are they favourites now to sign all our targets?

 

So they have received an alleged £4.5m upfront for a player and £1m add on for McKenna.

 

Our fans seem to think we only have £3m extra to play with.

 

Don’t ignore the £2m league prize money for finishing 3rd. Can we say the semi and cup final money added £1.5m to the pot overall - tickets and prize money? Can we say that 4 home Euro games will sell out hospitality and all seats and add £2m to our pot? Can we say that Hickey moving will add around £2m? We will also have at least 50% more season tickets. We also have FOH - £1.5m approx.

 

Thats fag packet calcs of £10m

We will turnover £20m this next season for the first time ever.

 

Nothing to fear from Aberdeen at all.

 

I also think we may sell one of our assets this summer - that’s part of the model. Might be Cammy. Might be Kingsley or Halkett. Not what we want but look at who Aberdeen are losing - 3 or 4 key players.

 

Aberdeen are nowhere close to us

 

 

 

You may also add a new pen to build for the sheep

[jambopilms]

1 minute ago, AndyNic said:

Is Ronan really that special a player? 

 

Would it be a big loss if we were to miss out on him?

He is the type of player we need, not necessarily the player we need. If he chooses them over us then he is not the player we want anyway and we will look to the next target.

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 minutes ago, AndyNic said:

Is Ronan really that special a player? 

 

Would it be a big loss if we were to miss out on him?

No, he isn't. He inspired St Mirren in not bottom 6 last season which isn't exactly the stuff of legend.

He will however be used as stick to criticise club by those who look to do so. If we sign him, it will be we paid over the odds and he's not worth it. If Aberdeen sign him, he will be great player we should have paid over the odds for.

[Absolute Scenes]

4 minutes ago, AndyNic said:

Is Ronan really that special a player? 

 

Would it be a big loss if we were to miss out on him?

The fact he knows the Scottish game, was a standout in a reasonably poor St Mirren team - Wolves wanted to keep him on the books and have only just come out to say they don't see a future with him in the first team, International caps - all factors that point to him being a good player. As i've said with all our signings stepping up, they are joining a team with better players round them - so simply put, he should be even better playing for hearts than for mirren - however, i know that's not how football words at times. 

[Sooks]

2 minutes ago, innerjambo said:

 

This, getting worked up about an average player, when we should be targeting better.......imo

 

I doubt Savage and Neilson are getting wound up about him

 

I am 100 per cent sure we are target more players than just Ronan and that they will be of similar quality

 

I do not think he is average for our division , I would say he is above average for Premiership

[Absolute Scenes]

1 minute ago, Sooks said:

 

I doubt Savage and Neilson are getting wound up about him

 

I am 100 per cent sure we are target more players than just Ronan and that they will be of similar quality

 

I do not think he is average for our division , I would say he is above average for Premiership

i would agree. He's not just a RCC type player, he definitely has something about him

[AndyNic]

1 minute ago, Absolute Scenes said:

The fact he knows the Scottish game, was a standout in a reasonably poor St Mirren team - Wolves wanted to keep him on the books and have only just come out to say they don't see a future with him in the first team, International caps - all factors that point to him being a good player. As i've said with all our signings stepping up, they are joining a team with better players round them - so simply put, he should be even better playing for hearts than for mirren - however, i know that's not how football words at times. 

 

Don't think he's ever had a senior call up for Ireland? Only played for the Under 21's I think.

[brux]

If Ronan chooses Aberdeen over us it will be because they are giving him a rediculous salary, let them. 

 

There are hundreds of players out there that could be better signings, and a number of them are on a free too.  I don't know too much about the lad but I'd imagine if he was as good as he is being made out to be we would be fighting with a few clubs to sign him and not just Aberdeen.

 

I get the feeling his agent is doing a good job here of inflating his salary.

 

[PapaShango]

7 minutes ago, AndyNic said:

 

Don't think he's ever had a senior call up for Ireland? Only played for the Under 21's I think.

He's been called up but don't think he has played yet. 

[RustyRightPeg]

4 minutes ago, brux said:

If Ronan chooses Aberdeen over us it will be because they are giving him a rediculous salary, let them. 

 

There are hundreds of players out there that could be better signings, and a number of them are on a free too.  I don't know too much about the lad but I'd imagine if he was as good as he is being made out to be we would be fighting with a few clubs to sign him and not just Aberdeen.

 

I get the feeling his agent is doing a good job here of inflating his salary.

 

Everyone thought the same about Forrest when his name kept popping up in the papers when it simply wasn’t the case, we were always in control of the situ. 

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

Ronan in a good team would be interesting.

 

Aberdeen as it stands are self-evidently not a good team. They are barely a team. Huge changes and disruption required to change that.

 

We just need to become better. No disruption needed for that - our team remains the 3rd best in Scotland as matters stand.

 

Best platform for players looking to sell their wares.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Tom Hardy’s Dug

[number-16]

39 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

I mentioned the Aberdeen hardmen on twitter toast night but why are they favourites now to sign all our targets?

 

So they have received an alleged £4.5m upfront for a player and £1m add on for McKenna.

 

Our fans seem to think we only have £3m extra to play with.

 

Don’t ignore the £2m league prize money for finishing 3rd. Can we say the semi and cup final money added £1.5m to the pot overall - tickets and prize money? Can we say that 4 home Euro games will sell out hospitality and all seats and add £2m to our pot? Can we say that Hickey moving will add around £2m? We will also have at least 50% more season tickets. We also have FOH - £1.5m approx.

 

Thats fag packet calcs of £10m

We will turnover £20m this next season for the first time ever.

 

Nothing to fear from Aberdeen at all.

 

I also think we may sell one of our assets this summer - that’s part of the model. Might be Cammy. Might be Kingsley or Halkett. Not what we want but look at who Aberdeen are losing - 3 or 4 key players.

 

Aberdeen are nowhere close to us

 

 

 

You could also add in that Aberdeen need to find the cost of a new stadium in the next few years, which the club are pricing at up to £75m.

[innerjambo]

13 minutes ago, Sooks said:

 

I doubt Savage and Neilson are getting wound up about him

 

I am 100 per cent sure we are target more players than just Ronan and that they will be of similar quality

 

I do not think he is average for our division , I would say he is above average for Premiership

 

Hopefully, I've seen him play in several games up here, and he was okay in some, and better in others. To me, he wasn't outstanding, nor did he stand out as anything special. But he did score a great goal against us. 

[Kendoll]

Ronan is a real talent, I believe he'll follow a John McGinn type journey after a couple of seasons into the English Prem. I really hope with us rather than Aberdeen. 

[Batistuta87]

27 minutes ago, AndyNic said:

Is Ronan really that special a player? 

 

Would it be a big loss if we were to miss out on him?

He's a good player and I'd be disappointed if we didn't get him, but pretty confident that we'll have other options if he does decide to go to Aberdeen. And if he does go there then it's because they're paying him silly money, so I say let them. There's been a lot of noise made about Danny Mandroiu over in Ireland which is obviously a market that Savage knows. His contract is up and at 23 with some good stats last season could be an interesting one. I keep bringing up Alen Halilovic as well, whom I would love to sign. Looks like he's going to be a free agent shortly too. There's two decent looking alternatives that I've found sitting at home so I'm pretty sure they guys at the club whose actual jobs it is to look for these people will be well aware of them.

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Batistuta87

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

Nobody has more cause to dislike or diss Aberdeen more than myself, however you are delusional if you don't think they are competing with us financially. 

 

They have had one bad season we have had one good one, they have raised more cash in a week than what we get for a whole year of European football, their budget and turnover more than ours last season. 

 

Hopefully they piss it all away again but they are very much competition for us in the same market. 

 

Forget they have to pay for a stadium, that will need to be funded eventually, budgets are worked differently to just banking a sum.

 

I think what we have over them is location, an upward curve and clear planning, European football is a red herring, unless its Champions League