Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, Pap said: Playing at Dens twice a season. Fir Park and the rest of the shit holes here. I'd take Luton, Wigan, Blackpool and Reading once a season anytime. The Championship is infinitely a better league to play and learn. Bigger crowds. Better quality of players. Play each other twice a season. No daft league split and you will earn better money. The split is shite and teh number of times we play each other is shite Games in Europe games vs Rangers and Celtic and the Edinburgh derby are far more attractive propositions than Luton Blackpool Wigan and Reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said: Rogic could be the "big" name that has been teased about. Would certainly bring some quality. He's Australian so ticks all the boxes. He's out our league but we should atleast have a chat to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Sooks said: I think Hibs will be a better side this year than last but that is not really the attraction when it comes to using them as an attraction for playing for us next season it is more the occasion that is the derby ........................ most players would probably prefer that to the closest he could manage in the championship which would be West Brom vs Birmingham at a quick glance The European games are a different competition but one we will be in that no championship clubs will be in so Hearts in Europe can count that as a feather in our cap compared to signing for a Championship team The Championship has some good teams and games in it for sure but they have no teams as good as Rangers and Celtic and no European matches so I would still argue that it is not a higher level for a player than Hearts in Europe next season If you bring in European competitions you need to acknowledge the FA Cup, League Cup and play offs at Wembley. The English Championship overall has a far better all round package to offer players. Also worth noting that most teams in the Scottish Premiership don't have an Edinburgh Derby or UEFA football until Xmas. That's confusing the attractiveness of Hearts and the quality of the Scottish Premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leisham38 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Leisham38 said: A Colombian striker, I don’t care if you’ve completely made this up. An exciting rumour, I like it Checks Twitter and sees he is about to sign for Hull. Exciting for about 90secs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, CloustonHMFC said: Championship isn’t a higher level, what they have that we don’t though is money, or at least more of it. Exactly ! Unbelievable the money that very ordinary players can earn down there. The current Hearts team would hold their own in that league and that's without the financial advantage that the likes of Stoke, QPR other middle of the road English Champiinship teams have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: The split is shite and teh number of times we play each other is shite Games in Europe games vs Rangers and Celtic and the Edinburgh derby are far more attractive propositions than Luton Blackpool Wigan and Reading Nah. Theres some cracking games in the Championship. And its shite to say but regardless of how big games are against Celtic and Rangers. We more often lose to them. Plus we could be papped out of Europe just after Christmas. Especially if we get decent teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, johnking123 said: óscar estupiñán Now we're talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: If you bring in European competitions you need to acknowledge the FA Cup, League Cup and play offs at Wembley. The English Championship overall has a far better all round package to offer players. Also worth noting that most teams in the Scottish Premiership don't have an Edinburgh Derby or UEFA football until Xmas. That's confusing the attractiveness of Hearts and the quality of the Scottish Premiership. That is what I was arguing though that the Championship is not a higher level than Hearts in Europe .................... maybe I could have termed it better but my point is that I think playing for Hearts in a season where we have group stages of Europe to add to our domestic calendar is better than playing in teh second tier of England in terms of attractiveness and quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: The split is shite and teh number of times we play each other is shite Games in Europe games vs Rangers and Celtic and the Edinburgh derby are far more attractive propositions than Luton Blackpool Wigan and Reading Your being selective. The majority of our games are against shite teams with no support and balance the books by selling their stadium to the old firm. We play Ross County, St Johnstone, Livingston, St Mirren, Kilmarnock up to 4 times each potentially more with the cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: If you bring in European competitions you need to acknowledge the FA Cup, League Cup and play offs at Wembley. The English Championship overall has a far better all round package to offer players. Also worth noting that most teams in the Scottish Premiership don't have an Edinburgh Derby or UEFA football until Xmas. That's confusing the attractiveness of Hearts and the quality of the Scottish Premiership. Thats a better way of explaining it than i did 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Sonny Perkins? Looking like he'll sign for another EPL club but would imagine he'll go out on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Sooks said: That is what I was arguing though that the Championship is not a higher level than Hearts in Europe .................... maybe I could have termed it better but my point is that I think playing for Hearts in a season where we have group stages of Europe to add to our domestic calendar is better than playing in teh second tier of England in terms of attractiveness and quality Hearts this season are a very attractive proposition but if it comes down to £5k a week or £10k a week those extra incentives won't really count for much. It also depends on the Championship team. Ryan Christie went to Bournemouth as he saw it as a route to the EPL. Ryan Christie wouldn't have given Hearts a 2nd thought ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just read Tom Rogic's move to Indonesian team has fallen through, and now rumours he'll return to the A League. Great player and only 29. Scored a couple of decent goals against us...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, luckydug said: Exactly ! Unbelievable the money that very ordinary players can earn down there. The current Hearts team would hold their own in that league and that's without the financial advantage that the likes of Stoke, QPR other middle of the road English Champiinship teams have. You’re being very picky with the teams you choose as the negatives in the English championship. The positives far outweigh the negatives on that front, there’s some fantastic stadiums and fan bases in that league. We play away to Killie, Ross County, St Mirren and Livi at least twice a season. Not to mention the dreadful plastic pitches too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, Section Q said: Just read Tom Rogic's move to Indonesian team has fallen through, and now rumours he'll return to the A League. Great player and only 29. Scored a couple of decent goals against us...... please don’t start this again 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Pap said: Nah. Theres some cracking games in the Championship. And its shite to say but regardless of how big games are against Celtic and Rangers. We more often lose to them. Plus we could be papped out of Europe just after Christmas. Especially if we get decent teams. What are these cracking games in the championship that involve better teams than Rangers and Celtic If he played for a team that would be playing against the better teams in the Championship then he will probably lost to them Just after Christmas is half a season pretty much how often is he going to be playing good teams in the Championship Sorry but i think taht you and a great many others vastly over state the attractiveness of that division and vastly understate what playing for Hearts next season could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Your being selective. The majority of our games are against shite teams with no support and balance the books by selling their stadium to the old firm. We play Ross County, St Johnstone, Livingston, St Mirren, Kilmarnock up to 4 times each potentially more with the cups. i am being no more selective than those arguing the alternative and talking up the big games he would play down south while ignoring the bang average ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Hearts this season are a very attractive proposition but if it comes down to £5k a week or £10k a week those extra incentives won't really count for much. It also depends on the Championship team. Ryan Christie went to Bournemouth as he saw it as a route to the EPL. Ryan Christie wouldn't have given Hearts a 2nd thought ... I do not disagree with any of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 On 05/07/2022 at 18:54, RustyRightPeg said: please don’t start this again 😂 Didn't know it had been talked about. I'm in Oz at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Right I am in danger of spamming or straying too far off topic sorry that is not my intention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Sooks said: i am being no more selective than those arguing the alternative and talking up the big games he would play down south while ignoring the bang average ones Blackburn, Bristol City, Burnley, Cardiff, Coventry, Huddersfield, Hull, Middlesborough, Millwall (if you’re into that type of thing), Norwich, Sheffield United, Stoke, Sunderland, Watford and West Brom are all significant upgrades on the games he’d play here out with the old firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Section Q said: Didn't know it had been talked about. I'm in Oz at the moment. From the second he walked off the pitch on the last day of the season at Celtic park, the “do a job for us brigade” were out in force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 On 05/07/2022 at 18:57, Section Q said: Didn't know it had been talked about. I'm in Oz at the moment. AFL PLAYER wages for the 2021 season increased 38 per cent on the COVID-19-ravaged 2020 year, with the average salary for a listed player rising to $372,224. Three players received more than $1.2 million last year. Six earned more than $1 million.14 Feb 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pap said: Nah. Theres some cracking games in the Championship. And its shite to say but regardless of how big games are against Celtic and Rangers. We more often lose to them. Plus we could be papped out of Europe just after Christmas. Especially if we get decent teams. Our last guaranteed European game is the first week of November just before the WC break. What might be an idea would be to take a couple of decent looking EPL fringe players on loan until January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Garfunkle Jr Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Is there any truth to all this talk about rogic, or are we just thinking he’d be a good signing for us ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 It’s become pretty clear we need at least 1 sighing per week to stave off the madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 40 minutes ago, Brick Tamland said: I’m with you in that minority. European football and a packed out stadium are far greater attractions. It's the choice you have as a youngster. Money isn't a factor for all the players. Can understand the challenge of the English Championship too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Art Garfunkle Jr said: Is there any truth to all this talk about rogic, or are we just thinking he’d be a good signing for us ? Some posters on here are on cloud cookoo land , absolutely fantasists. Yes he's a great player and available but just how are we going to afford the wages he can still command 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Blackburn, Bristol City, Burnley, Cardiff, Coventry, Huddersfield, Hull, Middlesborough, Millwall (if you’re into that type of thing), Norwich, Sheffield United, Stoke, Sunderland, Watford and West Brom are all significant upgrades on the games he’d play here out with the old firm. All right we get the picture. Scottish football is rubbish and Hearts would be lucky to survive in League One. Who needs Neil Doncaster when you've got JKB 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/20256089.hearts-bid-sign-everton-striker-ellis-simms-hits-major-stumbling-block/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Odd to mention óscar estupiñán Apparently terms agreed with Hull yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, luckydug said: All right we get the picture. Scottish football is rubbish and Hearts would be lucky to survive in League One. Who needs Neil Doncaster when you've got JKB 😏 I don’t like talking down on our game, but until something drastically changes at the top and there’s a restructure or some mega money pushed into it from somewhere it’s just the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Odd to mention óscar estupiñán Apparently terms agreed with Hull yesterday. The type of player we should be looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: From the second he walked off the pitch on the last day of the season at Celtic park, the “do a job for us brigade” were out in force. To quote yourself lately ‘ have you ever actually watched and analysed him closely ?’ Rogic, if we were able to get him in for a reasonable wage, would be our best outfield player by a distance. The only real issue being his fitness record. He would do a job for us. Don’t see how that can possibly be disputed by a professional scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jambo Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/20256089.hearts-bid-sign-everton-striker-ellis-simms-hits-major-stumbling-block/ Looks to be a rehash of the sun article put up earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8skacel8 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Odd to mention óscar estupiñán Apparently terms agreed with Hull yesterday. The poster who mentioned it makes things up regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: To quote yourself lately ‘ have you ever actually watched and analysed him closely ?’ Rogic, if we were able to get him in for a reasonable wage, would be our best outfield player by a distance. The only real issue being his fitness record. He would do a job for us. Don’t see how that can possibly be disputed by a professional scout Haha. Biting back with the scout because you got clamped before, nice one. If you’re asking me if I’ve ever watched Rogic the answer is obviously, don’t try use that against me. The reason I’m being averse to it is people are saying we should or shouldn’t break our wage structure for a 20 year old striker who we could sell on for 2/3/4 times our outlay. What’s the end game in us breaking it on a 29 year old who let’s be honest will have no interest in joining us, who will demand mega money, with little to no sell “profitable” sell on value in 2 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Blackburn, Bristol City, Burnley, Cardiff, Coventry, Huddersfield, Hull, Middlesborough, Millwall (if you’re into that type of thing), Norwich, Sheffield United, Stoke, Sunderland, Watford and West Brom are all significant upgrades on the games he’d play here out with the old firm. How ****ing far has Scottish football fallen that ****ing Huddersfield and Bristol ****ing City are seen as significant upgrades on quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, Norm said: How ****ing far has Scottish football fallen that ****ing Huddersfield and Bristol ****ing City are seen as significant upgrades on quality. Huddersfield were 1 game away from the English premiership last year? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Norm said: How ****ing far has Scottish football fallen that ****ing Huddersfield and Bristol ****ing City are seen as significant upgrades on quality. Also you missed the bulk of the point, I wasn’t necessarily meaning quality. I was meaning stadium, pitch, facilities, fans, average attendances etc etc. All significantly better than the likes of Ross County, Killie, Motherwell, Dundee Utd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Ross County were pushing for Europe last season. A club with a Highland league stadium and support. Tells you everything you need to know about the overall quality of our league. Doesn't matter anyway because all that matters to most players is cash. We might think we are a big draw but if the shitey English team offers more money then that's what the majority will want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Can feel a wee out of the blue event today with a player that has not been mentioned ......................... hope so any way because it is so easy to get dragged off topic on here when there is not much to actually discuss signing wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougal Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 If Simms isn't an option any more didn't someone earlier post about another Everton forward who's younger but in a similar mold to Simms. I don't recall the name but does anyone know anything about him?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, luckydug said: All right we get the picture. Scottish football is rubbish and Hearts would be lucky to survive in League One. Who needs Neil Doncaster when you've got JKB 😏 Thing is Dug, it's just unfortunate that we're England's neighbour when it comes to football. We'll always be compared to the leagues down south because we share a border... it used to be the Premiere League but the funds involved are obscene, so then it moved to the Championship... and their funds are now obscene also due to parachute payments etc... so now we're onto League 1 as a comparison. I dare say it'll be skewed as much as the rest, given a few years... it's just not a fair comparison. And then we have Dungcaster, who's job description is keeping Scottish Football firmly planted where it is, absolutely no forward momentum allowed. 2 teams must continue to dominate at all costs and do everything possible to stop a challenge from anyone else. The flaw in this plan is that they're getting left behind as much as the rest if we're comparing ourselves to England. I wish we could just ignore English football and compare ourselves to Scandinavian countries, for instance. To quote my young daughter, English football is 'plastic'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, dougal said: If Simms isn't an option any more didn't someone earlier post about another Everton forward who's younger but in a similar mold to Simms. I don't recall the name but does anyone know anything about him?? Broadhead is a bit older he’s 24. Had a good season at Sunderland last year. Lewis Dobbin might be the other youve seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sooks said: Can feel a wee out of the blue event today with a player that has not been mentioned ......................... hope so any way because it is so easy to get dragged off topic on here when there is not much to actually discuss signing wise Social media has been very quiet last couple of days……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, feej said: Transfers state of play Objectives - quality, sign better than we have, - European experience needed Better quality than we have/had - too early to judge European experience - not met Eight weeks to go so let's hope these objectives are met. FTFY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Bathgate Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Ross County were pushing for Europe last season. A club with a Highland league stadium and support. Tells you everything you need to know about the overall quality of our league. Doesn't matter anyway because all that matters to most players is cash. We might think we are a big draw but if the shitey English team offers more money then that's what the majority will want. It’s called economy of scale. More viewers more TV money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Social media has been very quiet last couple of days……. It has 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, dougal said: If Simms isn't an option any more didn't someone earlier post about another Everton forward who's younger but in a similar mold to Simms. I don't recall the name but does anyone know anything about him?? Dobbins and Broadhead both strikers around same age that might get loaned out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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