Jeff Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Sooks said: Thanks who ever it was that recommended the Telegram feed What's the channel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Jeff said: What's the channel? https://liveuamap.com/ It links to multiple sources including Telegram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just wow 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Some reports of Russian units negotiating to surrender on the West bank of the Dnieper near Kherson. Would be quite significant in terms of morale Spokesperson of Operation command "South": some Russian units at Kherson frontline negotiating surrendering their weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Pap said: Just wow 😳 This is great viewing. The change in tone from some of the clips posted even a couple weeks ago on that same account is delightful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, scott herbertson said: Some reports of Russian units negotiating to surrender on the West bank of the Dnieper near Kherson. Would be quite significant in terms of morale Spokesperson of Operation command "South": some Russian units at Kherson frontline negotiating surrendering their weapons The arsehole in me wouldnt even want to negotiate. It would be drop your weapons or your bodies float home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pap said: The arsehole in me wouldnt even want to negotiate. It would be drop your weapons or your bodies float home. Bargaining chips to get their people back from Russia , including thousands of kids. Otherwise, I tend to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Pap said: https://liveuamap.com/ It links to multiple sources including Telegram. Wow . Continue to Berdiansk, blow the one bridge connecting Crimea to Russia and watch Crimea starve ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Pap said: Just wow 😳 He best not stand close to any hospital windows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 48 minutes ago, Pap said: The arsehole in me wouldnt even want to negotiate. It would be drop your weapons or your bodies float home. Negotiation will save lives on both sides though. No point in sacrificing any of your own soldiers if it can be avoided, and you achieve your objectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I said this earlier in the thread but Russia have made at least one generation of enemies in Ukraine. Russian people, even those who were opposed to the war, are going to find it extremely difficult to live alongside the Ukrainians. This will lead to bigotry, victimisation and rising nationalism. Putin deserves a bullet in the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Negotiation will save lives on both sides though. No point in sacrificing any of your own soldiers if it can be avoided, and you achieve your objectives. Ukraine won’t negotiate over land now though. They‘ll want every inch and rightly so. Russia won’t concede it willingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Negotiation will save lives on both sides though. No point in sacrificing any of your own soldiers if it can be avoided, and you achieve your objectives. Of course, hence why i said the arsehole in me 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: I said this earlier in the thread but Russia have made at least one generation of enemies in Ukraine. Russian people, even those who were opposed to the war, are going to find it extremely difficult to live alongside the Ukrainians. This will lead to bigotry, victimisation and rising nationalism. Putin deserves a bullet in the head It was posted earlier. But check the last few minutes of this. The smartish dressed guy is talking about this very thing. https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569070513909022720?s=20&t=pLgZ9UlvRGBeBYSM3mxpxg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdust Caesar Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On 10/09/2022 at 21:31, Pap said: Is that no a flag? Yeah there is black pennant on the turret but it does look like a body falling through the roof, could be something else blown off the tank, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Explosions reported in both Belgorod and Rostov regions in Russia. Russians still smoking carelessly near ammo dumps, perhaps. Military sources on the Kherson front are also indicating that some Russian units are negotiating surrender terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdust Caesar Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On 10/09/2022 at 21:30, Smithee said: I saw somewhere that this is a few years old, and Ukrainian, but I couldn't swear to it Quite possibly is. I have seen a few twitter videos of (apparently) Russians screwing up, like this one, the one I posted earlier and 2 or 3 others and every single time a post is made claiming it is a few years old and it is Ukranian troops in them. Maybe the Ukranians have dug out this old footage and are posting them to try and show up the Russians more than they already are. Or it is the Russian troll farm workers trying to deflect back the ridicule on to the Ukranians? My bet would be that they are of Russians but I wouldn't bet my house on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Theres been a few fake Ukrainian videos/updates. Even just the other day about having retaken Dontesk airport. Was just made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 42 minutes ago, Pap said: It was posted earlier. But check the last few minutes of this. The smartish dressed guy is talking about this very thing. https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569070513909022720?s=20&t=pLgZ9UlvRGBeBYSM3mxpxg The penny’s starting to drop slowly. The most poetic thing possible now is for Putin to be humiliated and overthrown. The self-styled hard man made to look like an absolute gimp - his pain would be delicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The penny’s starting to drop slowly. The most poetic thing possible now is for Putin to be humiliated and overthrown. The self-styled hard man made to look like an absolute gimp - his pain would be delicious. Humiliated on the battlefield Begging bowl to enlist African / Middle Eastern soldier Buying faulty equipment from Iran Resorting to buy weapons from North Korea Biggest battle losses since WW2 No objectives completed 50,000 men dead 30,000 injured (US estimates) A Galvanised Nato Nato Expansion Losing absolute billions in future energy sales Sanctions putting their country back at least 10 years. Shiting it to declare war Referendums "on hold" Generals getting killed all over the place. Dropping fag ends in multiple ammo dumps Re enlisting that fat general Edited September 12, 2022 by Pap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Gainz 💪 Its going to get considerably tougher the further south they go. Proper dug in defenses. Can only hope that we keep getting the equipment to them. Without a doubt, they must be getting some top top intel from the US (and others). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cruyff Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, Pap said: Gainz 💪 Its going to get considerably tougher the further south they go. Proper dug in defenses. Can only hope that we keep getting the equipment to them. Without a doubt, they must be getting some top top intel from the US (and others). Oh aye, the UK and US fly spy planes and drones over the black sea on a daily basis to pick up Comms and chatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Oh aye, the UK and US fly spy planes and drones over the black sea on a daily basis to pick up Comms and chatter. Fair point But satellite and other information are provided. Ukraine though does pretty well itself helped by such as Starlink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Telling Ukrainians they're not a thing has never seemed wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Pap said: Gainz 💪 Its going to get considerably tougher the further south they go. Proper dug in defenses. Can only hope that we keep getting the equipment to them. Without a doubt, they must be getting some top top intel from the US (and others). Flatter land too. Much more difficult to sneak up on the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Where does Putin go from here then? I'm actually a bit more worried now than I was in the earlier weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jeff said: Where does Putin go from here then? I'm actually a bit more worried now than I was in the earlier weeks He could declare war so he can start conscription but the blow to his popularity and support for their presence in Ukraine would be pretty devastating when young men start getting called up I think he will be overthrown personally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, Sooks said: He could declare war so he can start conscription but the blow to his popularity and support for their presence in Ukraine would be pretty devastating when young men start getting called up I think he will be overthrown personally It's the stubbornness of the guy that is pretty terrifying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jeff said: It's the stubbornness of the guy that is pretty terrifying My biggest worry throughout all of this is the rumours that he is seriously Ill ………… he all ready seemed very unstable but if he is dying any way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, Jeff said: Where does Putin go from here then? I'm actually a bit more worried now than I was in the earlier weeks Either withdraws and claims the special operation to be a success or, gets nasty, blows up a Nuclear power plant or drops a tactical nuke. 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, jonesy said: Putin's not dropping any nuclear bombs, you frilly knickered feardy cats. Correct. He played the nuclear threat card early doors and had his bluff well and truly called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, jonesy said: Putin's not dropping any nuclear bombs, you frilly knickered feardy cats. He would have used the nukes at the beginning and saved a lot of Russian lives in the process if he had any intentions of using them IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambro77 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Pap said: Humiliated on the battlefield Begging bowl to enlist African / Middle Eastern soldier Buying faulty equipment from Iran Resorting to buy weapons from North Korea Biggest battle losses since WW2 No objectives completed 50,000 men dead 30,000 injured (US estimates) A Galvanised Nato Nato Expansion Losing absolute billions in future energy sales Sanctions putting their country back at least 10 years. Shiting it to declare war Referendums "on hold" Generals getting killed all over the place. Dropping fag ends in multiple ammo dumps Re enlisting that fat general Nobody likes a bully !!!! 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I don't think people can particularly predict what putin will do. People said at the start he wouldn't invade and he did. I think the risk of losing could force his hand into something stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: I don't think people can particularly predict what putin will do. People said at the start he wouldn't invade and he did. I think the risk of losing could force his hand into something stupid. UK and US intelligence were warning he was going to invade to be fair. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/ukraine-taking-uk-claim-of-russian-invasion-plot-seriously-says-adviser There may even be more stretching back further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: I don't think people can particularly predict what putin will do. People said at the start he wouldn't invade and he did. I think the risk of losing could force his hand into something stupid. He invaded Ukraine in 2014. He was already there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Sooks said: He could declare war so he can start conscription but the blow to his popularity and support for their presence in Ukraine would be pretty devastating when young men start getting called up I think he will be overthrown personally I'm in a russian FB group, just daft videos and what have you. I've kept away from the whole topic, they're just people like you or I. But it does get brought up, and they're not buying it any more. There were a few who had Z avatars at the start, but they're long gone, and anyone who does start the state media patter gets laughed down quickly. It seems like a young group but of course I don't know the actual demographic. I can't help wondering how widespread that attitude is though, how aware of it the Kremlin is, and what it means for their decision making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: He invaded Ukraine in 2014. He was already there. I thought it was clear I was talking about this latest conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 52 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: UK and US intelligence were warning he was going to invade to be fair. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/ukraine-taking-uk-claim-of-russian-invasion-plot-seriously-says-adviser There may even be more stretching back further. I'm sure you could find plenty saying he would but also plenty saying he wouldn't. Point being he is unpredictable and if he's getting the hiding reported even more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: I'm sure you could find plenty saying he would but also plenty saying he wouldn't. Point being he is unpredictable and if he's getting the hiding reported even more so. Oh I agree but as much maligned as they can be I’d find UK and US sources to be worth paying attention to more than others. I don’t mean it as disrespectful to those nations at all but the intelligence capabilities of the UK and US aren’t to be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, Smithee said: I'm in a russian FB group, just daft videos and what have you. I've kept away from the whole topic, they're just people like you or I. But it does get brought up, and they're not buying it any more. There were a few who had Z avatars at the start, but they're long gone, and anyone who does start the state media patter gets laughed down quickly. It seems like a young group but of course I don't know the actual demographic. I can't help wondering how widespread that attitude is though, how aware of it the Kremlin is, and what it means for their decision making. The thought of a 15 year jail sentence is off putting for most but the longer this goes on, something has to give. I think it will be one of those historic moments like a kind of Tiananmen Square that will really galvanise the people of Russia. God knows what it will be though. But they simply cant go on like this. Its mental to think that in 10 years in Afghanistan they lost just under 15000 soldiers compared to this. With all the lies/propaganda they are spreading they are shooting themselves in the foot and backing themselves into a corner. "We've lost nothing" is the rhetoric they are going with in the past few days. Totally backing themselves into a corner. And they wont use nuclear weapons. China will walk away from Russia for sure if so. Can only hope for a coup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 As Russia has not declared war, it cannot force people to accept their call-up papers. They can moan about you declining or bully you into accepting but they cannot jail you for refusing the call. At the minute, plenty people are refusing to serve. Which is why Russia is resorting to Wagner mercenaries, Chechen heidbangers and other such irregular forces. If they do declare war then they will be able to jail people who refuse their call ups. And that is when civil disobedience across Russia kicks in. People served papers would have two choices: 15 years in the gulag or a tour on the front lines being used as cannon fodder for western artillery. Or leg it, or revolt to bring down the government and stop the war. This is one of the reasons that Shitehawk Stalin hasn't declared war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Mobilization would destroy their economy and living standards would deteriorate, leading to civil unrest. Also, Nato would increase the weaponary to Ukraine to include offensive equipment. The next few weeks are going to be interesting. I hope for Ukraine and Russia's sake there is a coup. Unlikely though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 13 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: I don't think people can particularly predict what putin will do. People said at the start he wouldn't invade and he did. I think the risk of losing could force his hand into something stupid. Something really stupid means the end of Putin. I'm sure he was only ever meant to be in power for 8 years initially, then became defacto leader when Prime Minister (?) changed the rules so presidency isn't time bound and rigs elections he'd likely have won anyway so that opposition doesn't gain a momentum. He's an ego maniac who wants to be in power till death. And I don't believe he wants to die anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 You’d assume that Ukraine will hit brick walls at certain point in this counter attack. Russia will mobilise in certain areas, probably forcing a stalemate. In saying that, Russian morale must be woeful. Ukraine are fighting for something. I don’t most of the Russian troops feel any motivation at all - even less when they see Ukraine with its tail up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Couple of missile strikes on the city of Kherson area - suggests they are softening it up to move in or pressure the occupiers out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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