Sooks Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 28 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Claims of an assassination attempt on Putin coming in. Allegedly a bomb attack on his motorcade. Some thing quite surreal about a poster with your username posting about motorcade assassinations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Someone will get him. I think so too but it has to have zero connection to NATO countries and especially the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, Sooks said: I think so too but it has to have zero connection to NATO countries and especially the US I don't think it would. It'll be a civil matter ,I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Sooks said: I think so too but it has to have zero connection to NATO countries and especially the US At the very least that is how it must be seen by the Russian public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Claims of an assassination attempt on Putin coming in. Allegedly a bomb attack on his motorcade. The first report of it I've seen was a tweet 12 hours ago. This thread gives a bit more detail about the alleged attack. Edited September 14, 2022 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Russia trying their version of the Dambuster raid. If the raid succeeds in its aim, then it is possible that it will cut off the escape route for Russian forces left in Kherson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 hours ago, BlueRiver said: I do take exception on that final point. The EU didn’t export them. They allowed businesses to fill existing contractual obligations with third party countries. The UK did not have the manufacturing set up to do likewise. If you can show me where the EU signed away their own doses to others I’ll concede but it is an important distinction otherwise. Otherwise, it’s not the UK’s fault it had better contract lawyers. Governments export nothing unless they buy or make it in the first place, so that's merely pedantry. The EU enabled the contracts that provided for third-country obligations. Those export arrangements were in accordance with EU law, and they were let go ahead even though the EU had the authority to block them. Letting supplies go to other countries was part of the EU's expectations from the beginning, because that's how it rolls. Japan got its first external supplies from manufacturering sources in the EU, as did Mexico (rather than from its next-door neighbour), as did the African continent. A substantial percentage of the initial UK rollout was supplied by manufacturing plants in the EU. On the other hand, a number of EU countries were, for various reasons, less willing than others to take up their share of EU-guaranteed supplies, and those supplies were diverted to other EU and EEA member states who were ahead of the curve. That's why some vaccine doses went to (for example) Malta and Ireland rather than (for example) Romania and Bulgaria. As for contract lawyers, the EU secured better prices than the UK, and crucially secured those prices for all its markets, not just the big ones in the likes of Germany and France. Even the AstraZeneca shot which was developed in the UK was bought at a lower price by Brussels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 hours ago, JFK-1 said: Claims of an assassination attempt on Putin coming in. Allegedly a bomb attack on his motorcade. Could be disinformation. Grauniad story here about how the poor performance by the Russian military in Ukraine is negatively affecting perceptions of Russian clout in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/14/former-soviet-states-eye-opportunities-as-russia-suffers-ukraine-rout?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Now Zelensky in a car accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Governments export nothing unless they buy or make it in the first place, so that's merely pedantry. The EU enabled the contracts that provided for third-country obligations. Those export arrangements were in accordance with EU law, and they were let go ahead even though the EU had the authority to block them. Letting supplies go to other countries was part of the EU's expectations from the beginning, because that's how it rolls. Japan got its first external supplies from manufacturering sources in the EU, as did Mexico (rather than from its next-door neighbour), as did the African continent. A substantial percentage of the initial UK rollout was supplied by manufacturing plants in the EU. On the other hand, a number of EU countries were, for various reasons, less willing than others to take up their share of EU-guaranteed supplies, and those supplies were diverted to other EU and EEA member states who were ahead of the curve. That's why some vaccine doses went to (for example) Malta and Ireland rather than (for example) Romania and Bulgaria. As for contract lawyers, the EU secured better prices than the UK, and crucially secured those prices for all its markets, not just the big ones in the likes of Germany and France. Even the AstraZeneca shot which was developed in the UK was bought at a lower price by Brussels. Considered reply and I did write my own. Then thought we’re in the wrong thread for that so I’d rather not derail this one any further with it! Edited September 14, 2022 by BlueRiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Putin acknowledging Chinese concerns about the war publicly. Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, BlueRiver said: Putin acknowledging Chinese concerns about the war publicly. Good stuff. Probably raging that all their back engineered Russian equipment isn't worth a sook and would face a similar fate against Taiwan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BlueRiver said: Putin acknowledging Chinese concerns about the war publicly. Good stuff. You got a link to that story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/15/hat-in-hand-putin-meets-xi-at-summit-in-samarkand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 How tall is Putin? He looks pretty short standing next to Xi who being Chinese are usually pretty small. Is Putin the ultimate short man syndrome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 22 hours ago, BlueRiver said: Considered reply and I did write my own. Then thought we’re in the wrong thread for that so I’d rather not derail this one any further with it! Cheers. I'm arguing, which is not the same as being right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 hour ago, indianajones said: How tall is Putin? He looks pretty short standing next to Xi who being Chinese are usually pretty small. Is Putin the ultimate short man syndrome? the internet says he is around 5ft 7in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 It's beginning to sound almost Nazi like, seems they're discovering mass graves dotted around, with over 400 bodies in just one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, JFK-1 said: It's beginning to sound almost Nazi like, seems they're discovering mass graves dotted around, with over 400 bodies in just one of them. I have no doubt there will have been soldiers murdered by both sides. I also have no doubt that Russian soldiers/Wagner mercenaries will have killed a lot more in order to achieve their aims and make people fear going against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Putin is about to disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 The pattern of mass civilian murder by Russian soldiers suggests they were confident of holding the areas not having to run away. A confused strategy. The word 'defeat' must be in their thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Invade. Forcibly deport all Ukrainian citizens. Murder any resistance. Repopulate with Russian settlers. Hold gobshite "referendum" on joining Russia. Claim this is all legal. This is exactly what they did in Crimea and the parts of the Donbas they took in 2014. This is how they operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Cade said: Invade. Forcibly deport all Ukrainian citizens. Murder any resistance. Repopulate with Russian settlers. Hold gobshite "referendum" on joining Russia. Claim this is all legal. This is exactly what they did in Crimea and the parts of the Donbas they took in 2014. This is how they operate. Feels like Putin is at a crossroads now. If he doesn’t contest this Ukraine counter attack then he’s completely finished. He’ll be gone in no time. But if he does contest it, he’s committing Russia to a conflict they have no energy or will for. This looks like the end for him. He’s completely ****ed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 This is the problem when you run an autocratic government and nobody ever says "no" to you. Nobody points out when you're making a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 A noticeable number of top-level collaborators in the occupied areas seem to be meeting their maker lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Fair play to Mr Modi. Pressure building on Putin from his friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Seen the videos of the recent gravesites being exhumed. Won't post it. Russia are a truly abhorrent bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 13 hours ago, Cruyff said: Seen the videos of the recent gravesites being exhumed. Won't post it. Russia are a truly abhorrent bunch. Yes seen it on that Telegram channel , leaves you with a chilling feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 The Ukraine Government's response to prospect of a new 'peace plan'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Some harrowing, uncensored photos coming out of Ukraine just now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: The Ukraine Government's response to prospect of a new 'peace plan'. No way in the world Ukraine should agree to any peace deal, especially not one suggested by Mexico ffs. If there’s one country in the world that couldn’t control it’s own bowels, Mexico is it. Burn the Russian scum out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 16/09/2022 at 20:15, Cruyff said: Seen the videos of the recent gravesites being exhumed. Won't post it. Russia are a truly abhorrent bunch. Can't verify it obviously, but there is a video doing the rounds of a Wagner Company commander attempting to recruit Russian prisoners (rapists, murderers, the very worst) to fight on the front lines with guarantees of a pardon if they stick it out (survive) 6 months. You give these people a rifle and sick them on an undefended population, I can't imagine the horrors they will inflict, and the videos of the mass graves are already horrifying. For reference, Wagner Company is effectively the Russian version of Blackwater but a hell of a lot more ****ed up - and those ****ers committed war crimes in Iraq... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, OTT said: Can't verify it obviously, but there is a video doing the rounds of a Wagner Company commander attempting to recruit Russian prisoners (rapists, murderers, the very worst) to fight on the front lines with guarantees of a pardon if they stick it out (survive) 6 months. You give these people a rifle and sick them on an undefended population, I can't imagine the horrors they will inflict, and the videos of the mass graves are already horrifying. For reference, Wagner Company is effectively the Russian version of Blackwater but a hell of a lot more ****ed up - and those ****ers committed war crimes in Iraq... That video is 100% verified. Wagner go around the world on behalf of corrupt governments, rich companies and oligarchs sacking villages, raping, torturing, mutilating and murdering people. They're made up of the very worst of society. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/world/africa/wagner-group-africa.html https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagner-group-accused-of-disemboweling-women-in-the-central-african-republic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Ukranians taking a few small towns in Luhansk this morning - might be on the move again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Russia fires a cruise missile at the Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant. Missed the reactor by 300 metres. they've gone totally tonto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, Cade said: Russia fires a cruise missile at the Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant. Missed the reactor by 300 metres. they've gone totally tonto. FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 F*****g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pap said: F*****g Ooft, thats worth a double Jefferies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Why would they upload the data of every member....? eejits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Very interesting article about the old Soviet Satellite states. https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-fall-russia-empire-ukraine-war-armenia-azerbaijan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Wtf? 😳😫 https://twitter.com/grishchukroma/status/1572084236324327424?s=20&t=lzX7DIHuTBZ9wDSzcQBvng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Pap said: Wtf? 😳😫 https://twitter.com/grishchukroma/status/1572084236324327424?s=20&t=lzX7DIHuTBZ9wDSzcQBvng Based on the location of Ozerne, it would suggest that the retreating Russians have adopted a scorched earth policy, or that Ukrainian forces have advanced into that area. If its the latter, then the Ukranians would have already liberated Lyman (not announced that I have seen) and are heading for Severodonetsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62965998 Oh surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 "Quick, we're getting gubbed! Call referendums and make the land we've still got "Russia" and under our protection! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Putin to address the nation now but there has been delays. Think maybe full mobilisation is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Pap said: Putin to address the nation now but there has been delays. Think maybe full mobilisation is happening. Now as in tonight? Would be quite an escalation. Is there anywhere I can follow it? Edited September 20, 2022 by BlueRiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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