Riccarton3 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said: Hope they don’t get him tomorrow and lose 4 goals to Celtic. Don’t see it happening but it would be funny. Celtic have the bit between the teeth now. What may help Rangers is they are missing a few players. Not anything to do with having a defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: You constantly talk like everyone is just running down the season. They aren't . Getting caught up sharpish. Having to experiment with Bassey! 20 or so games Souttar could play for Hearts trying to win a trophy and secure third by a record margin. I know Hearts’ point of view, which is why I think Souttar will stay. I don’t think Rangers will bid much more for him. They’ll have Helander back soon enough and Balogun and Simpson are there as options. They’ll be more concentrating on replacing Hagi and Patterson as a priority. (Hagi probably replaced by Diallo who won’t be on a cheap wage) So they won’t be willing to splash the cash. Will be accept their bid if they submit one? Not sure, I think unlikely from our point of view for the reasons you’ve pointed out. And from their point of view I can’t see them offering big enough for a player they’ll have in a few months when they need to spend elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: Celtic have the bit between the teeth now. What may help Rangers is they are missing a few players. Not anything to do with having a defence. Pressure is on Newco right now. Their fans had the league won when we beat Celtic game 1. And they’ve only played each other once. So many games left for it to swing back and forth. I want it to go to the last game of the season. Another helicopter finale would be nice. I know they computer won’t allow it but us beating a team on the last day of the season to lose them the league would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Insurance only covers for career ending injuries We were paid by Scotland when he was injured with them, do clubs not have that insurance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said: I know Hearts’ point of view, which is why I think Souttar will stay. I don’t think Rangers will bid much more for him. They’ll have Helander back soon enough and Balogun and Simpson are there as options. They’ll be more concentrating on replacing Hagi and Patterson as a priority. (Hagi probably replaced by Diallo who won’t be on a cheap wage) So they won’t be willing to splash the cash. Will be accept their bid if they submit one? Not sure, I think unlikely from our point of view for the reasons you’ve pointed out. And from their point of view I can’t see them offering big enough for a player they’ll have in a few months when they need to spend elsewhere. I think someone shared a link of them paying £500k for a back up RB. So that might be all they can spend at the minute. Edited January 30, 2022 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said: I know Hearts’ point of view, which is why I think Souttar will stay. I don’t think Rangers will bid much more for him. They’ll have Helander back soon enough and Balogun and Simpson are there as options. They’ll be more concentrating on replacing Hagi and Patterson as a priority. (Hagi probably replaced by Diallo who won’t be on a cheap wage) So they won’t be willing to splash the cash. Will be accept their bid if they submit one? Not sure, I think unlikely from our point of view for the reasons you’ve pointed out. And from their point of view I can’t see them offering big enough for a player they’ll have in a few months when they need to spend elsewhere. They are trying to punt Simpson. Helander is decent but souttar is streets ahead of balogun. Helander hasn’t played for months. Think yesterday result will panic them into making a decent offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: I’m not sure about that. Iirc part of the condition of allowing Sevco to join the league was that all football debts had to be paid, leaving the face painting wifey, etc to get shafted. We concluded a deal with them to accept £100k less than the original deal, he was being facetious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainy Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Rangers forum saying he is away tomorrow for 600k. Be amazed if we get that much but would bite their hands off for it at this stage, even with Hackett injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Rangers fans seem to think it’s a done deal and announced tomorrow morning Too little, too late from fans and club alike. Yesterday's collapse triggers that kind of reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said: . I know they computer won’t allow it but us beating a team on the last day of the season to lose them the league would be awesome. No doubt Doncaster would love another helicopter Sunday - he'd probably get yet another bonus in his pay packet for it. If we're at home on the last day to one of the uglies, they can forget any hope of a helicopter messing up our immaculate pitch. Best way to ensure that though is for us to beat them - as you say, what a glorious end to the league season that would be ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Newton51 said: They are trying to punt Simpson. Helander is decent but souttar is streets ahead of balogun. Helander hasn’t played for months. Think yesterday result will panic them into making a decent offer I think they’ll make another offer. Perhaps more money in more instalments or a sell on fee %. But I don’t think it will be anywhere north of £500k. They won the league with the same defence last season, I’m not sure why they wouldn’t feel confident of doing so again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said: I think they’ll make another offer. Perhaps more money in more instalments or a sell on fee %. But I don’t think it will be anywhere north of £500k. They won the league with the same defence last season, I’m not sure why they wouldn’t feel confident of doing so again. Optics, optics… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: We concluded a deal with them to accept £100k less than the original deal, he was being facetious. Oh aye, that rings a bell now! Better be up front if Souttar goes tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said: I think they’ll make another offer. Perhaps more money in more instalments or a sell on fee %. But I don’t think it will be anywhere north of £500k. They won the league with the same defence last season, I’m not sure why they wouldn’t feel confident of doing so again. If you saw their game on Saturday with that defence. They are playing a lb in central Defence. League winner is guaranteed champions league qualification. Panic stations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: So these pre contract agreements are a waste of time ? You win.....👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Oh aye, that rings a bell now! Better be up front if Souttar goes tomorrow! Definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Newton51 said: If you saw their game on Saturday with that defence. They are playing a lb in central Defence. League winner is guaranteed champions league qualification. Panic stations! I saw it, and it was comical. But if McGregor doesn’t make his errors they win the game comfortably. Bassey in at CB seems to be a Van Bronkhorst decision, and he’s still an unbeaten manager in 12 or 13 games I think they said in commentary. More than Gerrard had in his first games. The Glasgow two will have their slip ups, but they’ll still win a huge majority of their games. And they’ve only conceded 5 more goals than Celtic. I just don’t think they’ll see Souttar worth pushing the boat out for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Bainy said: Rangers forum saying he is away tomorrow for 600k. Be amazed if we get that much but would bite their hands off for it at this stage, even with Hackett injured. Sorry I just don’t get that! With Halkett out probably for some time we are ripping the heart out our defence if we let Souttar go! Sibbick will take time to settle in, Moore is just not good enough, and our utility CB (Smith) is struggling for fitness! 3rd place and a decent run in the cup is worth way more than £600k. Edited January 30, 2022 by Thomaso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Section Q said: You win.....👍 What have I won ? Seems to me these agreements are not worth the paper they are written on just by reading some posts on here by people who know more about the ins and outs of them than I do. Edited January 31, 2022 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Scenario: We sell JS then lose on Tuesday. This place, or Hearts' fans in general? Personally, if they were to "come across" I'd be inclined to let him go. It has to be a distraction and 5 or 600k is better than brussel sprout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: What have I won ? Seems to me these agreements are not worth the paper they are written on just by reading some posts on here by people who know more about the ins and outs of them than I do. They’re legally binding contracts, nobody has given any proof of any occasions where one has been cancelled by one or both parties for any reason.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: Scenario: We sell JS then lose on Tuesday. This place, or Hearts' fans in general? Personally, if they were to "come across" I'd be inclined to let him go. It has to be a distraction and 5 or 600k is better than brussel sprout. Tuesday is a massive game but he might not be fit for it anyway, I’m with you, sell him and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: They’re legally binding contracts, nobody has given any proof of any occasions where one has been cancelled by one or both parties for any reason.. Cheers I asked if it could be ripped up and got the reply that's when he becomes their player. So he is legally binded to sign for Rangers. I assume that only means that no other club can come in for him and not the fact that both parties can't rip it up if circumstances change (like a long term injury) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Cheers I asked if it could be ripped up and got the reply that's when he becomes their player. So he is legally binded to sign for Rangers. I assume that only means that no other club can come in for him and not the fact that both parties can't rip it up if circumstances change (like a long term injury) Yeah nobody else can sign him but depending on what’s in the pre contract concerning injuries it can be ripped up if he gets another bad one perhaps, although I find it strange his agents would let him sign that. I’ve looked and I can’t see any evidence of that happening. I think we’ve all learned a little bit more about pre contracts, every day is a school day. Edited January 31, 2022 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Eiffel Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Thomaso said: Sorry I just don’t get that! With Halkett out probably for some time we are ripping the heart out our defence if we let Souttar go! Sibbick will take time to settle in, Moore is just not good enough, and our utility CB (Smith) is struggling for fitness! 3rd place and a decent run in the cup is worth way more than £600k. Halkett's and Smith's injuries have changed things. It is now essential that Souttar sees out his contract. Sibbick and Moore are untried. Chris Hamilton is the #1 understudy but he is out on loan. Sucuring 3rd place and Europe is far more important than any compenation from Der Hun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I would love to think we’ve played a blinder here. Guess we’ll know by midnight tomorrow. The recent injuries I would imagine have changed things exponentially. HHGH. Balls in your court Newco. Don’t embarrass yourselves in front of your cult followers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Sell him now for 600k and make sure we get good sell on then bring in Branthwaite from Everton till end of season, replace in the summer, good business all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, gregzy2k7 said: Sell him now for 600k and make sure we get good sell on then bring in Branthwaite from Everton till end of season, replace in the summer, good business all round. Only works if Newco don’t play silly games by agreeing to our number with minutes left on the clock. We’d need to have something already agreed with Everton beforehand. Might not be a bad idea to try to get him even if Souttar doesn’t leave us tomorrow. We’ll still be down a starter. Newco are not going to care that we’re short two central defenders if it gets them what they want/need. They’re not in the business of caring about other Scottish football teams. Or Scottish football in general. Just happens to be the league they have to play in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Still think he would go today but imagine if he stays and playing against rangers on Sunday. Under serious pressure competing against his new employers when they are battling for the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Still think he would go today but imagine if he stays and playing against rangers on Sunday. Under serious pressure competing against his new employers when they are battling for the league He'll have an ankle injury pencilled in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 We need Souttar in team on Tuesday. I have confidence in the abilities of Sibbock and Moore (who is good enough despite reading the contrary on here) but without Halkett, Smith we lack experience at the back, or experience of a derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, TexasAndy said: We need Souttar in team on Tuesday. I have confidence in the abilities of Sibbock and Moore (who is good enough despite reading the contrary on here) but without Halkett, Smith we lack experience at the back, or experience of a derby. Aye, rangers will need to stump up now or we keep him. Funny thing is we have rangers, next, he'll be playing v his new employers or be playing against us. Very surreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb-oz Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Newton51 said: Still think he would go today but imagine if he stays and playing against rangers on Sunday. Under serious pressure competing against his new employers when they are battling for the league Even better, imagine he stays and scores the winner against them in the SC final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I think we should keep Soapy we need him at the back who knows how long Halkett will be out and Sibbick and Moore are untried together and need to build an understanding with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Last day and after 107 pages we know no more than we did at the start. Except that the idea he won't be committed when playing for us or his presence will be a distraction has been debunked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Unless Souttar is ruled out through injury we have to keep him and play him tomorrow. We don't want to be taking chances with a relatively new backline in a Derby. A win tomorrow and Hibs are out of the race for third and Motherwell will drop at least as many points as us. Nailing down third place is more important than selling players imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Last day and after 107 pages we know no more than we did at the start. Except that the idea he won't be committed when playing for us or his presence will be a distraction has been debunked. That's true and myself and others have been proved wrong so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: I think we should keep Soapy we need him at the back who knows how long Halkett will be out and Sibbick and Moore are untried together and need to build an understanding with each other. Yes, I don’t think anyone can question his commitment / professionalism in the last few games. Will be interesting if he plays v Huns at the weekend though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Not really sure why it matters what fee we get for Souttar? Club is in a good place financially, so 400k, 500k or even 800k, why does it matter? It's not like we're going to pump that cash into bringing someone in. Keep the rat here until the season is done. He's playing well. If he does go, I'll be hoping Celtic win the league, then we don't have to see him with any medals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 33 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Last day and after 107 pages we know no more than we did at the start. Except that the idea he won't be committed when playing for us or his presence will be a distraction has been debunked. He certainly didn’t pull out of the tackle when he got injured against Motherwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Bazzas right boot said: Aye, rangers will need to stump up now or we keep him. Funny thing is we have rangers, next, he'll be playing v his new employers or be playing against us. Very surreal. It’s a farce! As in the EPL mid season pre-contracts in the same league should not be allowed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I would rather have Soutar for the rest of the season than £500 or £600k. Rangers got £16m for a reserve player so if they really wanted him now they would pay more. I suspect they don’t really want or need him but he’s a Scottish international available for free so will take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 All this must make Souttar feel really valued and wanted by his new employers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: All this must make Souttar feel really valued and wanted by his new employers. Imagine him turning up in July for pre season with squad number 51 on his back, why bother I'd rip up the pre-contract if I was him tomorrow as it looks like he has been done like a kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: All this must make Souttar feel really valued and wanted by his new employers. If the deal doesn't go through today JS will have lost thousands in lost wage increases. Probably wishing he'd just bided his time until summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Newton51 said: Still think he would go today but imagine if he stays and playing against rangers on Sunday. Under serious pressure competing against his new employers when they are battling for the league It's called professionalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, luckydug said: If the deal doesn't go through today JS will have lost thousands in lost wage increases. Probably wishing he'd just bided his time until summer. JS signed a deal to join at the end of the season, so he will not have lost one penny in wages !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionN Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Scottish sun tweeting saying he was absent from training this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgieheart Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8360805/souttar-misses-hearts-training-rangers-bid-deadline-day-transfer/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=ScottishSunSportTwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1643628200-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arfur Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I would take anything reported by the sun with a massive pinch of salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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