Walter Bishop Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Not on a Pre contract as they didn’t exist then. Were pre contracts not introduced on back of Bosman ruling? Once a player was into last 6 months of his contract he was free to sign a contract elsewhere? Edited January 15, 2022 by Walter Bishop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Ffs. How anybody can back him is beyond me. He knew there would be a backlash, he knows exactly what he's doing. He's Shitting all over ever single supporter who pays their money to watch him play in a maroon shirt. He's behaved appallingly and deserves to spend the next few months sitting at home wondering what might have been. As for the "no loyalty in football" pish. No, there's no loyalty shown by shitebags like JS. He doesn't deserve to wear the shirt ever again. Get him away from everybody at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: Ffs. How anybody can back him is beyond me. He knew there would be a backlash, he knows exactly what he's doing. He's Shitting all over ever single supporter who pays their money to watch him play in a maroon shirt. He's behaved appallingly and deserves to spend the next few months sitting at home wondering what might have been. As for the "no loyalty in football" pish. No, there's no loyalty shown by shitebags like JS. He doesn't deserve to wear the shirt ever again. Get him away from everybody at the club. Agree with every word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said: Were pre contracts not introduced on back of Bosman ruling? Once a player was into last 6 months of his contract he was free to sign a contract elsewhere? What I read said it was Webster that really instigated the part of being able to leave in the last year of your contract..They weren’t really used that much back then apparently, I’m not even sure the term was coined until about 2010. Im not sure how England manage to get around this by saying you can’t sign one for another English club when it’s been law for 27 years, they really are outliers on many issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 31 minutes ago, Factuer Moi said: It is the pre contract that pisses us off Why not just keep it stoom and say to the club he is not going to sign has an option. Why announce it mid season. If it isn't to weaken disturb and basically make us look like easy rides. This event is gutting, just weeks ago Dopey was halfing ThUmb boy You let your club die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, Broxburn Jambo said: Just to follow on to my post, the comments that are being said are an absolute disgrace What if he is picked to play on Tuesday and shows the same application and effort he has shown all season, will that change your mind? It is not John Souttar who is an embarrassment to our club but the people who would boo a Hearts player while he is wearing the colours, or even worse wish injury on him Rangers enabler IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: Ffs. How anybody can back him is beyond me. He knew there would be a backlash, he knows exactly what he's doing. He's Shitting all over ever single supporter who pays their money to watch him play in a maroon shirt. He's behaved appallingly and deserves to spend the next few months sitting at home wondering what might have been. As for the "no loyalty in football" pish. No, there's no loyalty shown by shitebags like JS. He doesn't deserve to wear the shirt ever again. Get him away from everybody at the club. I agree with this but I would like him to start against Auchinleck in the cup and get the hook in the first minute just to **** both him and Sevco off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: What I read said it was Webster that really instigated the part of being able to leave in the last year of your contract..They weren’t really used that much back then apparently, I’m not even sure the term was coined until about 2010. Im not sure how England manage to get around this by saying you can’t sign one for another English club when it’s been law for 27 years, they really are outliers on many issues. 1999 Steve McManaman In January 1999, it was reported that McManaman was talking to Real with the player reportedly offered £60,000 a week and nearly £2 million as a signing-on fee. On 30 January, McManaman passed a medical and signed an official pre-contract with the club which would make him the best-paid British footballer to date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rannoch Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 He’s a non person and should be airbrushed out of HMFC history. He can GTF. As far as I’m concerned ....John, who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishawjambo Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I'v had mixed feelings about soapy probably same as everybody else but the way I see it is if he doesn't go now and we try to play him he will get bood he's stabbed us in the back tbf it's only natural but on the other hand rangers must be thinking the same so it's in there interests to get him in this window cos they don't want a player who's going to arrive there unfit in the summer especially an injury prone player arriving unfit so I expect 1million and a high sell on clause just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brick Tamland said: I agree with this but I would like him to start against Auchinleck in the cup and get the hook in the first minute just to **** both him and Sevco off. Disagree. He stays until the summer so no need to cup tie him. He wants away now, that's plainly obvious. He's under contract and can train on his own to fulfil the clubs contract obligations then he can piss off home every day. Take the hit on his wages and **** him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Kabongo Tshimanga being rumoured. Can’t see it myself considering he is playing National League football at 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, Broxburn Jambo said: Just to follow on to my post, the comments that are being said are an absolute disgrace What if he is picked to play on Tuesday and shows the same application and effort he has shown all season, will that change your mind? It is not John Souttar who is an embarrassment to our club but the people who would boo a Hearts player while he is wearing the colours, or even worse wish injury on him Totally agree with your assessment and personal opinion on this . Can't argue with the factual part of your posts . Simple reason , they are actually facts . Not seen one of the bammers address these things . Probably never will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rannoch Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 hours ago, OTT said: We're not a club with creditors battering down our door. I don't particularly want their money under these circumstances. I'd rather the club showed a bit of back bone and self respect and told the huns the way they've went about this has been disgusting and the he's not for sale. Then stick the rodent in the reserves and they can have fun trying to get him match fit again next season. The right and proper way to do this would have been to sign a fresh 12 month deal on better terms with a gentleman's agreement the club won't stand in his way in the summer. He gets paid more for 6/7 months, and is protected in case he gets injured so can entirely focus on finishing this season strongly (which would have likely increase the quality and volume of options for him in the summer). I don't think this is going to be a good move for him tbh and its going to be hilarious to watch. Oh yes 😀😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I don't want to get drawn into a wishing debate but what's worse for the rat's chocolate achilles? It could be worse for Rangers if he doesn't kick a ball in anger for 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factuer Moi Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Spitonastranger said: You let your club die ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, john thomas said: Totally agree with your assessment and personal opinion on this . Can't argue with the factual part of your posts . Simple reason , they are actually facts . Not seen one of the bammers address these things . Probably never will Chucking insults at fellow hearts fans who are angry at Souttar slithering along the m8. That’s all the Souttar supporters have been doing all day. Add in a few ‘what if he does this’ or ‘what if this happens’. Just slavers in defence of a guy who has left in the worst possible way to one of the worst possible clubs. There are always folk on here who really just come on to claim some sort of high ground. God knows why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsuperslim1874 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) He shouldn’t play for us again. 2 of our CBs and our auxiliary CB in Smith have extended deals and are the future we build with. Souttar doesn’t want to be part of that future so adios - feeling bitter and disappointed but not going to wish injury on the guy (we are better than that)….get rid this window or a case of vlad flu is the way to go. Edited January 15, 2022 by bigsuperslim1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Thank **** Kickback decides nothing. Be in the Lowland League by now Without some of the fund raising championed on here we probably would be 😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNic Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Is this the transfer thread now? ffs can anyone stay on topic in any thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, GinRummy said: Chucking insults at fellow hearts fans who are angry at Souttar slithering along the m8. That’s all the Souttar supporters have been doing all day. Add in a few ‘what if he does this’ or ‘what if this happens’. Just slavers in defence of a guy who has left in the worst possible way to one of the worst possible clubs. There are always folk on here who really just come on to claim some sort of high ground. God knows why. They're all over Facebook as well. Why don't we all calm down. The boy has moved club to increase his salary and which probably suits his circumstances. Give him a break. How's about **** off. Rat *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Rick Sanchez said: They're all over Facebook as well. Why don't we all calm down. The boy has moved club to increase his salary and which probably suits his circumstances. Give him a break. How's about **** off. Rat *****. Yeah, it’s not even an argument. The fact that Souttar has looked after his own interests is about the one thing everyone can agree on. I wish him the same success as I’d wish any other rangers player and don’t want to see him in maroon again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said: 1999 Steve McManaman In January 1999, it was reported that McManaman was talking to Real with the player reportedly offered £60,000 a week and nearly £2 million as a signing-on fee. On 30 January, McManaman passed a medical and signed an official pre-contract with the club which would make him the best-paid British footballer to date Good stuff, happy now, can we move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tynietigers Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I believe the decision, although I’m not happy with it has a lot to do with family ☹️ Moving to England is not on the agenda so where else would your agent sell your soul 🙄 although I’m not happy, I have to remember he is nota an avid fan but a guy making money 😫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, wishawjambo said: I'v had mixed feelings about soapy probably same as everybody else but the way I see it is if he doesn't go now and we try to play him he will get bood he's stabbed us in the back tbf it's only natural but on the other hand rangers must be thinking the same so it's in there interests to get him in this window cos they don't want a player who's going to arrive there unfit in the summer especially an injury prone player arriving unfit so I expect 1million and a high sell on clause just my opinion In my opinion there is no way Newco improve our bank balance now or in the future by giving us a million with additional based on his potential next move. They are not in the business of helping other Scottish teams. They are scum, they take care of #1. Something we should be doing. Today we focus on one thing and one thing alone: Only Hearts Thats what we posted when we sued to have our demotion reversed. Time to start living up to the quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said: In my opinion there is no way Newco improve our bank balance now or in the future by giving us a million with additional based on his potential next move. They are not in the business of helping other Scottish teams. They are scum, they take care of #1. Something we should be doing. Today we focus on one thing and one thing alone: Only Hearts Thats what we posted when we sued to have our demotion reversed. Time to start living up to the quote. Well said, £100-200k at most is what they will bid. Edited January 15, 2022 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 They did this last year. Sign a pre contract then pay £150-200k which might be as good as we can get. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/scott-wright-completes-rangers-transfer-23420046 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, tynietigers said: I believe the decision, although I’m not happy with it has a lot to do with family ☹️ Moving to England is not on the agenda so where else would your agent sell your soul 🙄 although I’m not happy, I have to remember he is nota an avid fan but a guy making money 😫 Once again though there’s a way of doing it and this isn’t it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: They did this last year. Sign a pre contract then pay £150-200k which might be as good as we can get. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/scott-wright-completes-rangers-transfer-23420046 That's what Hearts fans contribute in a month. I see it as Hearts having stabilized the balance sheet to avoid accepting derisory.offers. if they are serious about 3rd and consider themselves a big club you make it ****ing clear what is expected of this player until the end of his contract. Edited January 15, 2022 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Riccarton3 said: That's what Hearts fans contribute in a month. Fair point. Its as much we are getting for the Rat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: They did this last year. Sign a pre contract then pay £150-200k which might be as good as we can get. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/scott-wright-completes-rangers-transfer-23420046 Take it and move on. Our bargaining position is weak. Or we make training down Gullane everyday for John till the summer. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Chucking insults at fellow hearts fans who are angry at Souttar slithering along the m8. That’s all the Souttar supporters have been doing all day. Add in a few ‘what if he does this’ or ‘what if this happens’. Just slavers in defence of a guy who has left in the worst possible way to one of the worst possible clubs. There are always folk on here who really just come on to claim some sort of high ground. God knows why. Who are you talking about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart500 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: They did this last year. Sign a pre contract then pay £150-200k which might be as good as we can get. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/scott-wright-completes-rangers-transfer-23420046 I'd be quite happy to pay an extra £20 in February on top of my regular FoH payment to stop him going to the Huns in January. If we collectively matched any derisory offer from them Hearts would have no reason to sell him in this window. He can then rot in the squad as a non picked first team player and hopefully this will **** up his international future. Let's do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Fair point. Its as much we are getting for the Rat. Then it's rejected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, john thomas said: Who are you talking about ? You for one. Calling Hearts fans bammers. Sure sign you don’t have an argument when you’re chucking random insults about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Once again though there’s a way of doing it and this isn’t it. Nobody wanted him to sign for them but he decided to . As is his right . What was he supposed to do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Take it and move on. Our bargaining position is weak. Or we make training down Gullane everyday for John till the summer. 🤣 Bargaining position for the club: stable finances/no need to sell and Souttar is contracted to Hearts. Unless you think 150k outweighs the above plus the monies on offer for 3rd and European qualification Edited January 16, 2022 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, GinRummy said: You for one. Calling Hearts fans bammers. Sure sign you don’t have an argument when you’re chucking random insults about. I've stated lots of facts , made sensible points . If you like debated (argued) on this subject . Are you saying the ones that want Souttar's Achilles to explode etc have an argument ? People who post bammy stuff are , by definition surely , bammers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, john thomas said: I've stated lots of facts , made sensible points . If you like debated (argued) on this subject . Are you saying the ones that want Souttar's Achilles to explode etc have an argument ? People who post bammy stuff are , by definition surely , bammers ? We’re you jumping on folks backs when they wanted Morelos injured, Scott Brown, Porteous? I don’t want anyones ‘Achilles to explode’ but the need for some hearts fans to jump on here and name call fellow fans in defence of that rat just baffles me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 **** John souttar. If he plays on Tuesday then it's a huge error by Robbie as he'll be abused for 90 minutes and rightly so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, stuart500 said: I'd be quite happy to pay an extra £20 in February on top of my regular FoH payment to stop him going to the Huns in January. If we collectively matched any derisory offer from them Hearts would have no reason to sell him in this window. He can then rot in the squad as a non picked first team player and hopefully this will **** up his international future. Let's do it. Sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, stuart500 said: I'd be quite happy to pay an extra £20 in February on top of my regular FoH payment to stop him going to the Huns in January. If we collectively matched any derisory offer from them Hearts would have no reason to sell him in this window. He can then rot in the squad as a non picked first team player and hopefully this will **** up his international future. Let's do it. I just don't think there's any need to let him go. Club has already stated it would take an offer Rangers seem unlikely to pay so looks like he's staying. We don't need their money but we want 3rd. Souttar even as a back up player on the bench might be an asset if Neilson goes for those truly committed. Edited January 16, 2022 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: Then it's rejected It’s the only thing I’m unsure about, is it worth it to take it and move on or reject it and have us all arguing or lingering about the squad unsettling things. It could detail the season but hopefully Savage can get it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Take it and move on. Our bargaining position is weak. Or we make training down Gullane everyday for John till the summer. 🤣 I think so. He wouldn’t last a week down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Pasquale for King said: It’s the only thing I’m unsure about, is it worth it to take it and move on or reject it and have us all arguing or lingering about the squad unsettling things. It could detail the season but hopefully Savage can get it sorted. Take what you can and get him to **** is my opinion. I’m not really buying into the ‘would stop them doing it again’ chat. We need to get good assets tied up on longer contract where possible. That’s the only way to prevent or at least make it rarer for this shit to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 hours ago, GinRummy said: The question is clear If we sign a suitable replacement (and TRFC don't stump up the cash), we should use the next 6 months getting the " new" defence to gel. As far as Souttar is concerned, we should do what's best for our interest, not his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, john thomas said: Nobody wanted him to sign for them but he decided to . As is his right . What was he supposed to do ? Ask if there was any chance they could put a bid in for him, ask for a sell on fee to be agreed, show some respect and tell Hearts before it was announced on Twitter, agree to sign but wait a few months. There’s been quite a few of our players went to the uglies in my lifetime but I can’t remember this kind of vitriol when it’s been announced, only after Pressley did what he did on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: It’s the only thing I’m unsure about, is it worth it to take it and move on or reject it and have us all arguing or lingering about the squad unsettling things. It could detail the season but hopefully Savage can get it sorted. Yeah I'm talking while ignoring all the rancour about his pre contract. Rangers might be quite relaxed about waiting till summer believing their defence is adequate. But you would think the capture of JS in January would be desired esp with the rewards for winners this year. The guy Balogun is Pish, Goldson and Tavernier prone to moments, Helander in and out. Patterson sold Hearts have their own ambitions with financial rewards at the end so a fee acceptable to Hearts is what needs to be paid else he stays Edited January 16, 2022 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 37 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: They did this last year. Sign a pre contract then pay £150-200k which might be as good as we can get. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/scott-wright-completes-rangers-transfer-23420046 We don't have to sell at that price. One month's FOH pledges covers that. For future situations, we should name our price & stick to it. Rangers then run the risk of a) not getting the use of him until next season and b) their player sitting in the stand for 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, john thomas said: I've stated lots of facts , made sensible points . If you like debated (argued) on this subject . Are you saying the ones that want Souttar's Achilles to explode etc have an argument ? People who post bammy stuff are , by definition surely , bammers ? Are you his Dad ? 😏 This stubborn defence of snakey would suggest you are close to him. Now that he's fecked off to Hunbrox you can carry on singing his praises on follow follow or one one of their other horrible chat sites. This thread has really flushed out some superior beings with their logical defence of Souttar and his new employers. They are not natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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