Should Scotland be an independent country?

[That thing you do]

6 hours ago, Dazo said:

It’s all relative though. The uk government has more money to waste so the figure is irrelevant.  

Yeah. But thats also ours! And a bigger waste of our share than protecting our rights to say yes/no.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Awe so She does know what a woman is ! Well done 

 

 

 

[manaliveits105]

Smurfs ragin !

[A Boy Named Crow]

6 hours ago, Smithee said:

Ah those were the days, thousands chanting "Penis! Penis!" at the slightest faux pas.

The boy behind the goals at Sarajevo,  penis penis gies a wave...ad nauseum... then...HE WAVED. 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

8 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

What the **** are you talking about?

England won no wars. The USA and the Soviets (both republics, too) did.

[Unknown user]

3 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

The boy behind the goals at Sarajevo,  penis penis gies a wave...ad nauseum... then...HE WAVED. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

England won no wars. The USA and the Soviets (both republics, too) did.

 

???????????????

[Japan Jambo]

7 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Awe so She does know what a woman is ! Well done 

 

 

 

 

Blatant misandry if you ask me!

 

TBF well played Nicky, I'm not sure I'll muster the same generosity of spirit in the office today.

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Blatant misandry if you ask me!

 

TBF well played Nicky, I'm not sure I'll muster the same generosity of spirit in the office today.

 

Wait a minute, is that a drag queen name? 

[The Mighty Thor]

12 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

What the **** are you talking about?

The level of your pish trolling. 

 

1/10 was being generous. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

30 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The level of your pish trolling. 

 

1/10 was being generous. 

 

What trolling? The bloke posts a picture saying how he is supporting his country's woman football team (paraphrasing before you direct it) and judy seems to get upset by it. 

[Seymour M Hersh]

Are the bribes finally coming back to haunt them?

 

From the DT

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/01/nicola-sturgeons-government-accused-mismanaging-money-begs-treasury/

 

Nicola Sturgeon's government has been accused of mismanaging taxpayers' money after begging the Chancellor for an extra handout to fund Scottish public sector workers' pay rises.

John Swinney, the Deputy First Minister, wrote to Nadhim Zahawi warning that the Scottish Government would be forced to impose "deep cuts" to public services unless further Treasury funding was made available.

He blamed the shortfall on the higher-than-expected level of pay increases the SNP administration is having to provide in the public sector, fuelled by inflation running at more than 10 per cent.

Mr Swinney, who took on the finance portfolio while Kate Forbes is on maternity leave, argued that this was not anticipated in 2021's UK Spending Review, "which determined the majority of the current Scottish budget".

But the Scottish Tories have accused the SNP of blaming the Treasury for its own failure to fund public services in Scotland.

Liz Smith, the Scottish Tory spokesman for finance, said: “The real story is that the nationalists have created a £3.5 billion black hole in their finances according to the IFS [Institute for Fiscal Studies], and have already cut front-line services to the bone.

"They've got some nerve trying to shift the blame elsewhere – council workers are about to strike because the SNP left local authorities so cash-strapped they can't improve pay.

"That's despite massive additional support from the UK Government, including the largest block grant from Westminster in the history of devolution."

The Treasury pointed out that the block grant being handed to SNP ministers was already worth a record £41 billion this year.

Facing a £3.5 billion deficit

The respected IFS warned in May that the Scottish Government was facing a £3.5 billion deficit in its finances over the next four years thanks to "a series of expensive spending commitments".

Spending on benefits is to be dramatically expanded to deliver on a series of promises over Scottish welfare payments which are more generous than in the rest of the UK.

SNP ministers will have to find an extra £1.3 billion for benefits by 2026/27.

Sschools, universities, the police service and councils are facing years of real-terms budget cuts to pay for Nicola Sturgeon’s welfare splurge, following a spending review unveiled by Ms Forbes.

The Scottish Government's cash squeeze tightened even further after ministers agreed to help fund a five per cent pay rise for train drivers in the nationalised ScotRail service, despite their average salaries being more than £55,000.

Trade unions warned this set the benchmark for wage increases throughout the public sector and last week they announced plans for Scotland's largest council strike action in more than a decade.

They said bin collections would be hit later in August, with rubbish "piling up in the streets", and schools could shut their doors in September.

A series of similar pay disputes have broken out involving Scotland's police, firefighters and nurses.

Unite on Sunday insisted that council staff had no option but to take "all out" strike action after rejecting a "measly" two per cent pay rise and poured scorn on the Scottish Government's refusal to intervene in the row.

'Robbed local authority budgets'

Eddie Cassidy, of the union's executive council, said Ms Sturgeon had "certainly robbed local authority budgets over the past 10 years'' and it was "laughable" that her government was claiming it could not intervene.

Further talks with council chiefs are due to take place on Monday.

In his letter to the Chancellor, Mr Swinney warned that soaring inflation would lead to a "reduction in spending power across public sector budgets" and this was "deeply worrying" for the provision of services "and our capacity to respond to the cost of living crisis".

He said: "Given our fixed budgets, our restricted borrowing powers and the inability to change tax policy in year, the lack of additional funding for public sector pay deals via the Barnett Formula means the Scottish Government could only replicate these pay deals for public workers with deep cuts to public services.

"I would urge you to consider appropriate funding for public sector pay, and would welcome early discussions with you on this matter.”

But a Treasury spokesman said: "We have provided the Scottish Government with a record £41 billion per year for the next three years, the highest spending review settlement since devolution.

“As a result, the Scottish Government is receiving around £126 per person for every £100 per person of equivalent UK Government spending in England over the next three years."

Mr Cassidy told the BBC's Sunday Show that the SNP had imposed "deeper and harder" cuts to local authority budgets in Scotland over the past decade than had been made in England. Council chiefs had made clear that funding was needed to improve pay offers.

[That thing you do]

21 hours ago, Dazo said:

It’s all relative though. The uk government has more money to waste so the figure is irrelevant.  

Not really. UK vanity projects have 10% charged to Scotland.

 

Our share of London Crossrail is bigger than the 20m for Indy

 

Our share of failed PPE/App for England is nearly as much as our own cost

 

Our share of the deal for a shipping company for chris graylings pal with no ships is 70% the indy budget.

 

So yes UK has bigger budgets and we foot part of that bill. All part of pooling and sharing that is unidirectional.

[Boab]

I’m glad people put the link up of where the piece is from. 
I see Telegraph..I don’t read and waste 10 mins of my time.

In fact, I just check the poll occasionally to see if the good people of KB are onside…and it seems they are.

👍

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Are the bribes finally coming back to haunt them?

 

From the DT

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/01/nicola-sturgeons-government-accused-mismanaging-money-begs-treasury/

 

Nicola Sturgeon's government has been accused of mismanaging taxpayers' money after begging the Chancellor for an extra handout to fund Scottish public sector workers' pay rises.

John Swinney, the Deputy First Minister, wrote to Nadhim Zahawi warning that the Scottish Government would be forced to impose "deep cuts" to public services unless further Treasury funding was made available.

He blamed the shortfall on the higher-than-expected level of pay increases the SNP administration is having to provide in the public sector, fuelled by inflation running at more than 10 per cent.

Mr Swinney, who took on the finance portfolio while Kate Forbes is on maternity leave, argued that this was not anticipated in 2021's UK Spending Review, "which determined the majority of the current Scottish budget".

But the Scottish Tories have accused the SNP of blaming the Treasury for its own failure to fund public services in Scotland.

Liz Smith, the Scottish Tory spokesman for finance, said: “The real story is that the nationalists have created a £3.5 billion black hole in their finances according to the IFS [Institute for Fiscal Studies], and have already cut front-line services to the bone.

"They've got some nerve trying to shift the blame elsewhere – council workers are about to strike because the SNP left local authorities so cash-strapped they can't improve pay.

"That's despite massive additional support from the UK Government, including the largest block grant from Westminster in the history of devolution."

The Treasury pointed out that the block grant being handed to SNP ministers was already worth a record £41 billion this year.

Facing a £3.5 billion deficit

The respected IFS warned in May that the Scottish Government was facing a £3.5 billion deficit in its finances over the next four years thanks to "a series of expensive spending commitments".

Spending on benefits is to be dramatically expanded to deliver on a series of promises over Scottish welfare payments which are more generous than in the rest of the UK.

SNP ministers will have to find an extra £1.3 billion for benefits by 2026/27.

Sschools, universities, the police service and councils are facing years of real-terms budget cuts to pay for Nicola Sturgeon’s welfare splurge, following a spending review unveiled by Ms Forbes.

The Scottish Government's cash squeeze tightened even further after ministers agreed to help fund a five per cent pay rise for train drivers in the nationalised ScotRail service, despite their average salaries being more than £55,000.

Trade unions warned this set the benchmark for wage increases throughout the public sector and last week they announced plans for Scotland's largest council strike action in more than a decade.

They said bin collections would be hit later in August, with rubbish "piling up in the streets", and schools could shut their doors in September.

A series of similar pay disputes have broken out involving Scotland's police, firefighters and nurses.

Unite on Sunday insisted that council staff had no option but to take "all out" strike action after rejecting a "measly" two per cent pay rise and poured scorn on the Scottish Government's refusal to intervene in the row.

'Robbed local authority budgets'

Eddie Cassidy, of the union's executive council, said Ms Sturgeon had "certainly robbed local authority budgets over the past 10 years'' and it was "laughable" that her government was claiming it could not intervene.

Further talks with council chiefs are due to take place on Monday.

In his letter to the Chancellor, Mr Swinney warned that soaring inflation would lead to a "reduction in spending power across public sector budgets" and this was "deeply worrying" for the provision of services "and our capacity to respond to the cost of living crisis".

He said: "Given our fixed budgets, our restricted borrowing powers and the inability to change tax policy in year, the lack of additional funding for public sector pay deals via the Barnett Formula means the Scottish Government could only replicate these pay deals for public workers with deep cuts to public services.

"I would urge you to consider appropriate funding for public sector pay, and would welcome early discussions with you on this matter.”

But a Treasury spokesman said: "We have provided the Scottish Government with a record £41 billion per year for the next three years, the highest spending review settlement since devolution.

“As a result, the Scottish Government is receiving around £126 per person for every £100 per person of equivalent UK Government spending in England over the next three years."

Mr Cassidy told the BBC's Sunday Show that the SNP had imposed "deeper and harder" cuts to local authority budgets in Scotland over the past decade than had been made in England. Council chiefs had made clear that funding was needed to improve pay offers.

 

This thread's about Scotland being an independent country mate.

 

Voting Yes is the only way to get rid of this glorified cooncil.

[manaliveits105]

3 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Are the bribes finally coming back to haunt them?

 

From the DT

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/01/nicola-sturgeons-government-accused-mismanaging-money-begs-treasury/

 

Nicola Sturgeon's government has been accused of mismanaging taxpayers' money after begging the Chancellor for an extra handout to fund Scottish public sector workers' pay rises.

John Swinney, the Deputy First Minister, wrote to Nadhim Zahawi warning that the Scottish Government would be forced to impose "deep cuts" to public services unless further Treasury funding was made available.

He blamed the shortfall on the higher-than-expected level of pay increases the SNP administration is having to provide in the public sector, fuelled by inflation running at more than 10 per cent.

Mr Swinney, who took on the finance portfolio while Kate Forbes is on maternity leave, argued that this was not anticipated in 2021's UK Spending Review, "which determined the majority of the current Scottish budget".

But the Scottish Tories have accused the SNP of blaming the Treasury for its own failure to fund public services in Scotland.

Liz Smith, the Scottish Tory spokesman for finance, said: “The real story is that the nationalists have created a £3.5 billion black hole in their finances according to the IFS [Institute for Fiscal Studies], and have already cut front-line services to the bone.

"They've got some nerve trying to shift the blame elsewhere – council workers are about to strike because the SNP left local authorities so cash-strapped they can't improve pay.

"That's despite massive additional support from the UK Government, including the largest block grant from Westminster in the history of devolution."

The Treasury pointed out that the block grant being handed to SNP ministers was already worth a record £41 billion this year.

Facing a £3.5 billion deficit

The respected IFS warned in May that the Scottish Government was facing a £3.5 billion deficit in its finances over the next four years thanks to "a series of expensive spending commitments".

Spending on benefits is to be dramatically expanded to deliver on a series of promises over Scottish welfare payments which are more generous than in the rest of the UK.

SNP ministers will have to find an extra £1.3 billion for benefits by 2026/27.

Sschools, universities, the police service and councils are facing years of real-terms budget cuts to pay for Nicola Sturgeon’s welfare splurge, following a spending review unveiled by Ms Forbes.

The Scottish Government's cash squeeze tightened even further after ministers agreed to help fund a five per cent pay rise for train drivers in the nationalised ScotRail service, despite their average salaries being more than £55,000.

Trade unions warned this set the benchmark for wage increases throughout the public sector and last week they announced plans for Scotland's largest council strike action in more than a decade.

They said bin collections would be hit later in August, with rubbish "piling up in the streets", and schools could shut their doors in September.

A series of similar pay disputes have broken out involving Scotland's police, firefighters and nurses.

Unite on Sunday insisted that council staff had no option but to take "all out" strike action after rejecting a "measly" two per cent pay rise and poured scorn on the Scottish Government's refusal to intervene in the row.

'Robbed local authority budgets'

Eddie Cassidy, of the union's executive council, said Ms Sturgeon had "certainly robbed local authority budgets over the past 10 years'' and it was "laughable" that her government was claiming it could not intervene.

Further talks with council chiefs are due to take place on Monday.

In his letter to the Chancellor, Mr Swinney warned that soaring inflation would lead to a "reduction in spending power across public sector budgets" and this was "deeply worrying" for the provision of services "and our capacity to respond to the cost of living crisis".

He said: "Given our fixed budgets, our restricted borrowing powers and the inability to change tax policy in year, the lack of additional funding for public sector pay deals via the Barnett Formula means the Scottish Government could only replicate these pay deals for public workers with deep cuts to public services.

"I would urge you to consider appropriate funding for public sector pay, and would welcome early discussions with you on this matter.”

But a Treasury spokesman said: "We have provided the Scottish Government with a record £41 billion per year for the next three years, the highest spending review settlement since devolution.

“As a result, the Scottish Government is receiving around £126 per person for every £100 per person of equivalent UK Government spending in England over the next three years."

Mr Cassidy told the BBC's Sunday Show that the SNP had imposed "deeper and harder" cuts to local authority budgets in Scotland over the past decade than had been made in England. Council chiefs had made clear that funding was needed to improve pay offers.

Dreadful couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery 

[The Mighty Thor]

A union of equals did you say? 🤔

 

That's how interested these ***** are in Scotland. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

A union of equals did you say? 🤔

 

That's how interested these ***** are in Scotland. 

That’s how desperate Truss is.

[pablo]

8 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

A union of equals did you say? 🤔

 

That's how interested these ***** are in Scotland. 

 

Nicola Sturgeon isn't Scotland.

 

Truss's approach will be music to the ears of many.

[The Mighty Thor]

18 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Nicola Sturgeon isn't Scotland.

 

Truss's approach will be music to the ears of many.

Sorry to break it to you but Nicola Sturgeon is the elected first minister of Scotland so at a political level, she is Scotland. 

 

Sturgeon will see Truss come and then go. Just like she has with the last 3 prime ministers. 

 

Truss will be the shortest tenure of them all. 

 

So anyway, this union of equals? 

 

[pablo]

16 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Sorry to break it to you but Nicola Sturgeon is the elected first minister of Scotland so at a political level, she is Scotland. 

 

Sturgeon will see Truss come and then go. Just like she has with the last 3 prime ministers. 

 

Truss will be the shortest tenure of them all. 

 

So anyway, this union of equals? 

 

 

Sorry to break it to you, but the First Minister is there to oversee the areas devolved from the UK government, that's it.

 

There's no need for the PM to engage with the SNP on constitutional matters at all.

 

You might be right about Truss being shortlived, but she could be a the start of her tenure, whereas Sturgeon has effectively written her political obituary with the defacto referendum at the next GE nonsense. Time will tell. 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by pablo

[Dazo]

9 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

A union of equals did you say? 🤔

 

That's how interested these ***** are in Scotland. 

Not bad advice to be fair. 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Sorry to break it to you but Nicola Sturgeon is the elected first minister of Scotland so at a political level, she is Scotland. 

 

Sturgeon will see Truss come and then go. Just like she has with the last 3 prime ministers. 

 

Truss will be the shortest tenure of them all. 

 

So anyway, this union of equals? 

 

She has an important role as FM but she is not "Scotland". We don't live in a dictatorship.

 

Truss' comments are interesting. Was it a poorly judged off tbe cuff remark or a calculated change in approach to a more direct response rather than the "nows not the time" replies from BJ

[XB52]

Go Liz Truss. Every time she opens her mouth NS will be sitting laughing her head off. She doesn't really need to have a proper campaign for independence, just show videos of LT and jobs a good un

[Shooter McGavin]

Liz Truss handing the independence campaign a decent bit of ammunition. They’ve done more for independence than the SNP. It also shows how reckless and unprepared Truss is that she can come out with something so silly on the world stage.

At the end of the day, Sturgeon got about 1.2 million votes at the last general election, Liz Truss at most, will get about 190,000 in this private vote.

 

So I’m not really sure why she believes our democratically elected leader is best ignored.

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Shooter McGavin

[Boab]

15 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Go Liz Truss. Every time she opens her mouth NS will be sitting laughing her head off. She doesn't really need to have a proper campaign for independence, just show videos of LT and jobs a good un

Backing Liz Truss, you are either an idiot or a troll.

You only have two options.

Hopefully that excludes the decent posters like Dazo etc !

I really hope so. She is a moron and a godsend to the Nats.

 

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, Boab said:

Backing Liz Truss, you are either an idiot or a troll.

You only have two options.

Hopefully that excludes the decent posters like Dazo etc !

I really hope so. She is a moron and a godsend to the Nats.

 

My opinion in Truss is pretty clear Boab. Just thought on this occasion her advice is pretty sound. 😊

[pablo]

16 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Liz Truss handing the independence campaign a decent bit of ammunition. They’ve done more for independence than the SNP. It also shows how reckless and unprepared Truss is that she can come out with something so silly on the world stage.

At the end of the day, Sturgeon got about 1.2 million votes at the last general election, Liz Truss at most, will get about 190,000 in this private vote.

 

So I’m not really sure why she believes our democratically elected leader is best ignored.

 

 

How many votes did Sturgeon get to become leader of the SNP and the FM position after Salmond resigned?

 

And the context of her comments was on constitutional matters. She's absolutely right there.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

 

Sorry to break it to you, but the First Minister is there to oversee the areas devolved from the UK government, that's it.

 

There's no need for the PM to engage with the SNP on constitutional matters at all.

 

You might be right about Truss being shortlived, but she could be a the start of her tenure, whereas Sturgeon has effectively written her political obituary with the defacto referendum at the next GE nonsense. Time will tell. 

 

Ah your standard regional assembly straw man argument.

 

Have at it 👍

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

What I’ve never understood in all this is why English politicians are so bothered about clinging onto Scotland. It doesn’t make much difference to anything down south if Scotland becomes independent. Nobody down here pays Scotland any attention anyway. Can only assume they’ve got a hard-on for this concept of ‘the Union’ which quite honestly, means **** all.

 

I totally understand why it’s a hot debate in Scotland. But if I was a Tory leader, I’d probably just say whatever and tell them to get on with another vote. 

[Horatio Caine]

14 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Dreadful couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery 

Now that's a thing Boris WOULD be good at.

[jack D and coke]

28 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

What I’ve never understood in all this is why English politicians are so bothered about clinging onto Scotland. It doesn’t make much difference to anything down south if Scotland becomes independent. Nobody down here pays Scotland any attention anyway. Can only assume they’ve got a hard-on for this concept of ‘the Union’ which quite honestly, means **** all.

 

I totally understand why it’s a hot debate in Scotland. But if I was a Tory leader, I’d probably just say whatever and tell them to get on with another vote. 

Yeah tend to agree. I’ve less understanding why they won’t just let us have actual home rule and all the other issues vanish too. What do they actually gain getting all sort muscly about it. 
It sometimes feels like they’re doing things on purpose to make sure if there is another vote it’s romping home. 
Truss saying those things and the audience sort of cheering will turn some people. 
It’s sort of degrading otherwise. 

[Boab]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

My opinion in Truss is pretty clear Boab. Just thought on this occasion her advice is pretty sound. 😊

Disagree, mate. It was an idiotic thing to say and a good example of the moronic nonsense she comes out with on a regular basis.

Peoples’ reasons for voting for Indy now have one more reason added. The embarrassment of having her as PM and wanting nothing to do with it.

[Shooter McGavin]

51 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

How many votes did Sturgeon get to become leader of the SNP and the FM position after Salmond resigned?

 

And the context of her comments was on constitutional matters. She's absolutely right there.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t believe there was a vote for Salmonds replacement?

 

There’s clearly an appetite for another independence referendum up here after all that’s happened with brexit etc, and Liz Truss can’t simply ignore Sturgeon, or the Scottish electorate who she represents. That’s would just be silly.

 

I don’t support the SNP or Sturgeon, but in a “United Kingdom”, how can you simply ignore the leader of the second largest country in it?

[Shooter McGavin]

Our potential next PM has just said she’ll “ignore” the democratically elected leader of our country, and people seem to think that’s totally normal…

 

There’s no getting away from it, it’s a terrible look for the Union.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

11 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Yeah tend to agree. I’ve less understanding why they won’t just let us have actual home rule and all the other issues vanish too. What do they actually gain getting all sort muscly about it. 
It sometimes feels like they’re doing things on purpose to make sure if there is another vote it’s romping home. 
Truss saying those things and the audience sort of cheering will turn some people. 
It’s sort of degrading otherwise. 

Independence would make more sense than home rule. Home rule still leaves scope for moaning about Westminster influence so it wouldn’t placate the Indy movement. Just an extension to the whole argument 

[Boab]

5 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t believe there was a vote for Salmonds replacement?

 

There’s clearly an appetite for another independence referendum up here after all that’s happened with brexit etc, and Liz Truss can’t simply ignore Sturgeon, or the Scottish electorate who she represents. That’s would just be silly.

 

I don’t support the SNP or Sturgeon, but in a “United Kingdom”, how can you simply ignore the leader of the second largest country in it?

NS was elected unopposed to be leader so you are right. And the quoted poster quite wrong.

[jack D and coke]

20 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Independence would make more sense than home rule. Home rule still leaves scope for moaning about Westminster influence so it wouldn’t placate the Indy movement. Just an extension to the whole argument 

Possibly yeah it’s just always made me wonder why that has never been on the table. It’s pretty much what Salmond was punting last time. 

[Dazo]

41 minutes ago, Boab said:

Disagree, mate. It was an idiotic thing to say and a good example of the moronic nonsense she comes out with on a regular basis.

Peoples’ reasons for voting for Indy now have one more reason added. The embarrassment of having her as PM and wanting nothing to do with it.

Well we seem to be told plenty times on here that she and the snp are not Scotland and will be gone with Independence. If that’s the case then ignoring her isn’t the worst thing I’ve heard. A court will decide soon enough anyway whether she should be ignored or not. 

[graygo]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

My opinion in Truss is pretty clear Boab. Just thought on this occasion her advice is pretty sound. 😊

 

Is that because it's Nicola Sturgeon or is it good advice to ignore the First Minister of Scotland regardless of who it is?  I'd imagine any First Minister's remit will be to deliver independence as I can't see any party other than the SNP being in government.

[Ray Gin]

Green light from Truss for one country in the Union to just point-blank ignore another. Indy ref here we go. 

[Braminho]

Yes

[graygo]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

TBF to Truss (once and once only), I did the same during Covid and things worked out just fine, ta.

 

Funny enough things worked out just fine for folk who did listen as well. In fact they worked out better on the whole.

There's a whole other thread for that pish though. Oh and one about face masks for folk to troll on but you know that already.

[Dazo]

6 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Is that because it's Nicola Sturgeon or is it good advice to ignore the First Minister of Scotland regardless of who it is?  I'd imagine any First Minister's remit will be to deliver independence as I can't see any party other than the SNP being in government.

I don’t think independence is any part of the first ministers remit and that is part of her problem. She’s spends more time and energy doing this fictional part of job her rather than what she is supposed to. 

[graygo]

11 minutes ago, Dazo said:

I don’t think independence is any part of the first ministers remit and that is part of her problem. She’s spends more time and energy doing this fictional part of job her rather than what she is supposed to. 

 

How much time and energy does she spend on it? She is the leader of the SNP as well as being First Minister.

Should Ian Blackford be ignored by the UK PM as well?

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

How much time and energy does she spend on it? She is the leader of the SNP as well as being First Minister.

Should Ian Blackford be ignored by the UK PM as well?

Well the state of things she controls in Scotland I’d say quite a lot. 
 

Blackford should be ignored by everyone not just the PM. 

[jack D and coke]

Just now, graygo said:

 

How much time and energy does she spend on it? She is the leader of the SNP as well as being First Minister.

Should Ian Blackford be ignored by the UK PM as well?

One of the first things I’d do if I had any sort of control over that is remove Blackford he’s awful.

You need a bit of charisma as well as the ability to land some punches down there. 
I cringe when I hear him speaking. 

[OmiyaHearts]

Seems more like a colonisation than a Union to me.

[Dazo]

9 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

One of the first things I’d do if I had any sort of control over that is remove Blackford he’s awful.

You need a bit of charisma as well as the ability to land some punches down there. 
I cringe when I hear him speaking. 

Shouts a lot, is disrespectful and with no self respect. Could he be any more hibs ? 

[jack D and coke]

3 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

Seems more like a colonisation than a Union to me.

I mean listen to the brit lads here talking about the EU. We’re (Scotland) going to be ruled by the EU they cry, imagine having to ask the EU’s permission or someone like Tusk saying he’s just going to ignore the elected leader of the uk and that’s he’s an attention seeker and all to a crowd of “foreigners” cheering…🙃