Should Scotland be an independent country?

[The Mighty Thor]

9 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Obviously they exist. But not as sovereign nation states which I thought was pretty obvious what I meant and is undeniably true.

Make your mind up.

 

Is it Schrodinger's England?

[The Mighty Thor]

7 minutes ago, jonesy said:

That’s cool

 

Better to be comfortable and confident making racist statements than just doing so for an internet chuckle.

An observation not a statement. An observation based on the empirical evidence to hand. 

 

I would never ever make a racist statement about our future Chinese overlords. 

[jack D and coke]

41 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Maybe just me but countries within the union sharing resources shouldn’t really be a negative thing. 
 

Regardless I think I’ve been hearing about England running out of water for my whole life. Think they will be okay. 

You think pumping our water down there to private water boards is ok? Companies have barely invested since the 90’s paying out huge bonuses to bosses? 
These same companies that were emptying their raw sewage into waterways. 
Ah well there’s trillions of the stuff up the road there we’ll just take that? 
How long till we’re in drought too because they let millions of gallons go to waste?

Im just waiting for that to be running oot if this indyref 2 ever gets granted permission from our overlords down the road. 

[XB52]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

Maybe just me but countries within the union sharing resources shouldn’t really be a negative thing. 
 

Regardless I think I’ve been hearing about England running out of water for my whole life. Think they will be okay. 

Drought to be announced today in several areas of England 

[Jeffros Furios]

Are all the kback  unionists Tories or will you be voting Labour at the next  GE due to the numerous scandals ? 

If you still intend to vote Tory your no different to a cult member .

I'm genuinely interested as to how far you will accept thier nonsense.

Most normal Tories I know won't be voting but the GB News anti EU , migrants and grooming gang fanatics 

seem to think it's a leftwing  stichup .. 

Probably for another thread . 

[Boab]

5 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Drought to be announced today in several areas of England 

Yip, but as Dazo has said, I also remember droughts and hosepipe bans in the 70's.

[Dazo]

35 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

You think pumping our water down there to private water boards is ok? Companies have barely invested since the 90’s paying out huge bonuses to bosses? 
These same companies that were emptying their raw sewage into waterways. 
Ah well there’s trillions of the stuff up the road there we’ll just take that? 
How long till we’re in drought too because they let millions of gallons go to waste?

Im just waiting for that to be running oot if this indyref 2 ever gets granted permission from our overlords down the road. 

A lot stuff going on there mate that I’m not really getting into but yeah if we have plenty I’m okay with us sharing water. 👍

[Dazo]

23 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Drought to be announced today in several areas of England 

No doubt, doesn’t really change anything though. 

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

It’s a wee bit funny how those who were mocking and/or raging about Sunak and his plans to ‘outlaw’ criticism of the UK get their knickers in a twist about your Scottishness unless you’re a full on woad-faced kilt-wearing Irn-Bru-swilling freedom-hollering nationalist.

Are, are you stalking me?

 

 

 

Only kidding, can't stand IrnBru.

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

That’s cool

 

Better to be comfortable and confident making racist statements than just doing so for an internet chuckle.

Don't think what he said was racist to be honest...

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, had he said Gammon

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

On 10/08/2022 at 13:20, JudyJudyJudy said:

Don’t spill your coffee with what I’m about to write ! It’s some bit of praise for the SG . 😎
 

I recently attended an online training session related to Social security Scotland and them taking over the responsibility for Disability living allowance and PIP . The handover is now complete and it is now the Scottish Govt responsibility to authorise these benefits . Both PIP and DLA claimants will be transferred to the Adult disability payment in due course . 
 

 

The presentation was excellent . There is a real emphasis on treating potential and current claimants with respect and dignity , unlike the UK approach which claimants felt stigmatised them and made them feel like they were chancers and not genuine with their claims . 
 

The new service is definitely more customer based and accessible too with a variety of ways one can contact SSS . The assessment process is also more customer focussed and not set out to

” trap “ people . Their applications will be considered with all available evidence and not just medical evidence but other evidence too . 
 

Crucially if your deemed to have a 

“chronic “ health condition , your claim will only be reviewed between 5 to 10 years after . There may also be some who will be awarded a lifeline claim due to their chronic health condition . This is in response to the horror stories previously were people with no limbs etc. were constantly reviewed ! 
 

Ofcourse there will be a rigorous process of awarding these benefits so it’s not s free for all but as stated it’s underpinned by humanity and respect. 
 

 

 

@Smithee

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

It’s a wee bit funny how those who were mocking and/or raging about Sunak and his plans to ‘outlaw’ criticism of the UK get their knickers in a twist about your Scottishness unless you’re a full on woad-faced kilt-wearing Irn-Bru-swilling freedom-hollering nationalist.

 

Thank God you're so dead set against divisive language

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

@Smithee

 

Cheers.

 

Ironically, the dying embers of PIP in Scotland is when I've had to apply, and I got turned down a few weeks ago. Having to appeal and all that jazz, it's pretty depressing.

 

My doctor's told me I won't work again, the dole's signed me off for the next year at least (they can't bring themselves to take the doctor's word!) and I'm awaiting specialist appointments where they'll decide what assistance I need.

 

I'll get the award in the end. But I applied at the start of April, by the time it's appealed and what have you, I'm probably looking at 6 months down the line. Half a year where I needed the help.

[That thing you do]

Pooling and sharing in one direction.

 

England needs, Scotland gives.

 

Make no mistake. Union dividend is us supporting England, not the other way round.

Edited August 12, 2022 by That thing you do

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, pablo said:

 

I don't believe in Unionism. Other than in the union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 

 

Scotland hater? Deary me.

 

 

By the same token as your "Scotland doesn't exist" argument, surely it's pretty bloody obvious that when someone says you're a unionist, they're referring to your support for the union on these islands?

[dobmisterdobster]

1 hour ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Are all the kback  unionists Tories or will you be voting Labour at the next  GE due to the numerous scandals ? 

If you still intend to vote Tory your no different to a cult member .

I'm genuinely interested as to how far you will accept thier nonsense.

Most normal Tories I know won't be voting but the GB News anti EU , migrants and grooming gang fanatics 

seem to think it's a leftwing  stichup .. 

Probably for another thread . 

 

My vote is always up for grabs. I would vote for Truss over Starmer as things stand.

[That thing you do]

At least Boris gave the energy companies a good talking too...

 

Inflation? Recession?

 

But robbery too

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

My vote is always up for grabs. I would vote for Truss over Starmer as things stand.

 

Yeah but you thought there was nothing wrong with Boris slipping his security detail and getting ****ed up at the mansion party of a KGB operatives son while foreign secretary.

[That thing you do]

4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

My vote is always up for grabs. I would vote for Truss over Starmer as things stand.

The correct answer here is Id abstain in disgust at the choices.

 

Neither is competent or has anything to say of any use to Scotland.

[jack D and coke]

4 minutes ago, That thing you do said:

Pooling and sharing in one direction.

 

England needs, Scotland gives.

 

Make no mistake. Union dividend is us supporting England, not the other way round.

I posted this earlier and its amusing that this was discussed on here a while ago and as always it was completely rubbished.
England doesn’t need our water they said. 
The fact there’s probably not a thing anyone can do about it and the water will go to private companies is pretty nuts. 
Wont fix their shite infrastructure and still handing out huge salaries and bonuses and now starting to pump water from here to keep it going in all likelihood. 
It’s almost uncanny how everything that is rubbished and laughed off just tends to keep on happening. 

Can we revisit the question tho?

Can you **** you’ve had one in 314 years how many you wanting likes?!
it’s no our fault you believed what we told you last time us seems to be the mantra😐

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

22 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Cheers.

 

Ironically, the dying embers of PIP in Scotland is when I've had to apply, and I got turned down a few weeks ago. Having to appeal and all that jazz, it's pretty depressing.

 

My doctor's told me I won't work again, the dole's signed me off for the next year at least (they can't bring themselves to take the doctor's word!) and I'm awaiting specialist appointments where they'll decide what assistance I need.

 

I'll get the award in the end. But I applied at the start of April, by the time it's appealed and what have you, I'm probably looking at 6 months down the line. Half a year where I needed the help.

Sorry to hear that ! Ffs . But as you’ll be aware most people get pip on their appeal . But that’s not the point really as it’s still stressful and Ofcourse financially a hindrance for you at the present time . As I said in that posting the Scottish system is more fair and less hurdles to jump through . Good luck 

[Unknown user]

8 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Sorry to hear that ! Ffs . But as you’ll be aware most people get pip on their appeal . But that’s not the point really as it’s still stressful and Ofcourse financially a hindrance for you at the present time . As I said in that posting the Scottish system is more fair and less hurdles to jump through . Good luck 

 

Cheers. You know more about it than most, it's not the type of thing you can pretend to have. You'd think it would be easy, or at least not brutal!

 

 

Do me a favour though, take a step back and look at these things;

 

awarding benefits to those who need it

 

providing water with no drama, excess billing, or shareholders to feed

 

free prescriptions at the counter

 

You slaaaaaag them, but is there honestly any doubt that the Scottish government gives more of a **** about the human beings that inhabit the place?

[Unknown user]

Hahahaha predictive text, I'm leaving that in

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Cheers. You know more about it than most, it's not the type of thing you can pretend to have. You'd think it would be easy, or at least not brutal!

 

 

Do me a favour though, take a step back and look at these things;

 

awarding benefits to those who need it

 

providing water with no drama, excess billing, or shareholders to feed

 

free prescriptions at the counter

 

You slaaaaaag them, but is there honestly any doubt that the Scottish government gives more of a **** about the human beings that inhabit the place?

I did say in my original post I was pleasantly surprised with the SG and their approach to Welfare benefits . Im

not sure what you mean “ i slag them.” 

[Unknown user]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

I did say in my original post I was pleasantly surprised with the SG and their approach to Welfare benefits . Im

not sure what you mean “ i slag them.” 

You slag the SNP and Scottish government all the time, you frequently hold them up as a reason why independence wouldn't work, say they're corrupt.

 

But we can show they GAF about our lives, or are at least less uncaring than Westminster.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

You slag the SNP and Scottish government all the time, you frequently hold them up as a reason why independence wouldn't work, say they're corrupt.

 

But we can show they GAF about our lives, or are at least less uncaring than Westminster.

Yes but I’ve acknowledged that they have done something right which I’m impressed with . If they keep doing more things like that , I might be a Yes 😮

[Unknown user]

8 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Yes but I’ve acknowledged that they have done something right which I’m impressed with . If they keep doing more things like that , I might be a Yes 😮

I'm not arguing, just trying to persuade

 

[That thing you do]

22 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Cheers. You know more about it than most, it's not the type of thing you can pretend to have. You'd think it would be easy, or at least not brutal!

 

 

Do me a favour though, take a step back and look at these things;

 

awarding benefits to those who need it

 

providing water with no drama, excess billing, or shareholders to feed

 

free prescriptions at the counter

 

You slaaaaaag them, but is there honestly any doubt that the Scottish government gives more of a **** about the human beings that inhabit the place?

Well said.

 

 

[pablo]

57 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

By the same token as your "Scotland doesn't exist" argument, surely it's pretty bloody obvious that when someone says you're a unionist, they're referring to your support for the union on these islands?

 

I don't believe that Scotland and England are in a union though. The United Kingdom is a result of a union between Scotland and England 300 years ago. I don't see the UK as being made up of a union between four separate countries. The UK is no different to France or Germany in my mind.

[The Mighty Thor]

7 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

I don't believe that Scotland and England are in a union though. The United Kingdom is a result of a union between Scotland and England 300 years ago. I don't see the UK as being made up of a union between four separate countries. The UK is no different to France or Germany in my mind.

I'd suggest you're in a majority of one in that view. 

 

You'll probably find that the current government feel that the the UK is no different to England in their minds. 

 

One of them pretty much alluded to that in an editorial for the Daily Express today. 

 

 

[jambomjm74]

1 hour ago, That thing you do said:

Pooling and sharing in one direction.

 

England needs, Scotland gives.

 

Make no mistake. Union dividend is us supporting England, not the other way round.

I’m assuming this isn’t for free … and also that the farmers and other U.K. companies and citizens very much need the water… we would be expected to help out here, wouldn’t we ?

For the benefit of doubt I don’t see Scotland in some sort of deficit and cap in hand to U.K. as it’s often portrayed through GERs and the press which seems to be why you are making this point. 
We are a very important part of the British Isles and with future switch to renewable and pressures from global warming we will be more important.

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

The English as a race are not very forward thinking, I think were his words.

 

We need more not racist racism IMO.

But they are not a "race" he should have used "people".

But hey you're the educator here not me!

 

 

We need more uneducated opinionated KvC's IMO

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by Konrad von Carstein

[JudyJudyJudy]

25 minutes ago, Smithee said:

I'm not arguing, just trying to persuade

 

oh I'm easily persuaded  

 

But on a serious note , more examples of good Governance from the SG and I might be a Yes as i said.  Yes i know that the SNP might not be the party in charge in an Indy Scotland but there's a strong likelihood  they will have influence in policy and vision. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

31 minutes ago, Smithee said:

I'm not arguing, just trying to persuade

 

In other words dont say...do !

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, jambomjm74 said:

I’m assuming this isn’t for free … and also that the farmers and other U.K. companies and citizens very much need the water… we would be expected to help out here, wouldn’t we ?

For the benefit of doubt I don’t see Scotland in some sort of deficit and cap in hand to U.K. as it’s often portrayed through GERs and the press which seems to be why you are making this point. 
We are a very important part of the British Isles and with future switch to renewable and pressures from global warming we will be more important.

Yes surely it works both ways?

[XB52]

2 hours ago, Dazo said:

No doubt, doesn’t really change anything though. 

It does when we are selling our water to rUK after independence 😊

[jambomjm74]

1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Yes surely it works both ways?

It never seems like that on here .. but it really does happen in real life! 

it will not take long before the abuse flys and I’m rounded on. Yesterday I had some chap, who seems nice, trying to get me to say I was “z” and infer I was some sort of clown … I’m sure he’s nice but I really didn’t get why he wanted to cause a problem .. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, jambomjm74 said:

It never seems like that on here .. but it really does happen in real life! 

it will not take long before the abuse flys and I’m rounded on. Yesterday I had some chap, who seems nice, trying to get me to say I was “z” and infer I was some sort of clown … I’m sure he’s nice but I really didn’t get why he wanted to cause a problem .. 

"z"?

[jambomjm74]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

"z"?

No idea.. was bizarre 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

The English as a race are not very forward thinking, I think were his words.

 

We need more not racist racism IMO.

 

They were my words indeed. 

 

Not fixing the roof when its sunny is not forward thinking. 

 

Selling off all the stuff you own to then pay someone else to use the stuff you've just sold them, is not very forward thinking. 

 

They need much more forward thinking IMO

[Ked]

3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

They were my words indeed. 

 

Not fixing the roof when its sunny is not forward thinking. 

 

Selling off all the stuff you own to then pay someone else to use the stuff you've just sold them, is not very forward thinking. 

 

They need much more forward thinking IMO

Like inventing the thing that allows you to post?

Or the hundreds if not thousands of great things important things given to the world from English people.

Forward thinking for Scotlands independence shouldn't include anti English sentiment as its actually a backward way to make the case for most forward thinking people.

Would you not agree?

[Ked]

24 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

"z"?

Zlatan .

A poster I was accused of being by some and others thought true.

[jambomjm74]

Just now, Ked said:

Zlatan .

A poster I was accused of being by some and others thought true.

So anyone who doesn’t support Indy is a “z”. 
That makes 55% of Scots “Z”. 
The silent z

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Ked said:

Zlatan .

A poster I was accused of being by some and others thought true.

Ah ok 

[The Mighty Thor]

6 minutes ago, Ked said:

Like inventing the thing that allows you to post?

Or the hundreds if not thousands of great things important things given to the world from English people.

Forward thinking for Scotlands independence shouldn't include anti English sentiment as its actually a backward way to make the case for most forward thinking people.

Would you not agree?

They gave the world the railway. 

 

For that alone they should be saluted. 😉

[Unknown user]

2 minutes ago, jambomjm74 said:

The silent z

 

If only!

 

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

 

I don't believe that Scotland and England are in a union though. The United Kingdom is a result of a union between Scotland and England 300 years ago. I don't see the UK as being made up of a union between four separate countries. The UK is no different to France or Germany in my mind.

 

Cool, but you still know exactly what people are referring to when they say "the union", or refer to you as a unionist.

[Ked]

1 minute ago, jambomjm74 said:

So anyone who doesn’t support Indy is a “z”. 
That makes 55% of Scots “Z”. 
The silent z

No.

I support independence.

Just roll with it buddy.

@Smithee perhaps sees a certain style of posting that reminds him of Z.

He might even miss whatever he had going on with him.

😄

[Ked]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

They gave the world the railway. 

 

For that alone they should be saluted. 😉

Fekin English bstards .

That led to the railway unions

😄

[jack D and coke]

I’ve no idea why he’s trying to kid on  

Youre allowed to post mate. 
Bang to rights tho.