frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Des Lynam said: In all fairness Frank the pattern seems to be not listening to these posters who have been proven correct. If you are negative all the time of course every manager gets the sack so eventually they will be proved correct. These same posters were negative when Robbie was in his first stint or even Levein first time in some cases when he had us in the Europa League groups for the first time and only time in our history. Quote I understand the negativity with Robbie is tiresome but so is the sanctimonious talk of never being allowed to criticise the club. Healthy debate is welcome, and I criticise where I see fit, but this constant negative drone on unrelated threads really starts to get on my nerves. Edited June 27, 2021 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, jr ewing said: He won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jambof3tornado said: If we arent in the top 4 by xmas I think he will be under extreme pressure, especially if the standard of play is like last season. I understand the benchmark you're setting (we're the 3rd/4th biggest club etc) ........ but it fails to take account of any other teams that have an outstandingly good first few months. Not unreasonable to think that Motherwell or Livi or St. Johnstone might have picked up a few more points than us by Xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 51 minutes ago, frankblack said: Spock logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, jr ewing said: Spock logic. I always imagined you with pointy ears right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: I always imagined you with pointy ears right enough. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: I understand the benchmark you're setting (we're the 3rd/4th biggest club etc) ........ but it fails to take account of any other teams that have an outstandingly good first few months. Not unreasonable to think that Motherwell or Livi or St. Johnstone might have picked up a few more points than us by Xmas. Agreed that depending on fixtures but I genuinely think that we have to be looking like best of the rest very quickly or real pressure will be on. A year without fans in grounds, some players will have forgotten how unforgiving tynecastle can be if we feel we're being short-changed by players/managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, frankblack said: If you are negative all the time of course every manager gets the sack so eventually they will be proved correct. These same posters were negative when Robbie was in his first stint or even Levein first time in some cases when he had us in the Europa League groups for the first time and only time in our history. Healthy debate is welcome, and I criticise where I see fit, but this constant negative drone on unrelated threads really starts to get on my nerves. first time round the vast majority were behind neilson. This time the vast majority are not for very valid reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: first time round the vast majority were behind neilson. This time the vast majority are not for very valid reasons How do you know this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: How do you know this ? I don't know anyone amongst my Hearts pals who want him to stay. I know supporters of other teams are desperate for him to stay. Says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 48 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: first time round the vast majority were behind neilson. This time the vast majority are not for very valid reasons I would have liked us to change the manager . We didn't . Therefore I will be behind Neilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars plastic Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 4 hours ago, jimbojambo said: Just say we did sack Robbie our only realistic target would be Derek MacInnes who never impressed me as having Aberdeen playing free flowing, entertaining football. Anyone else from outside Scotland would be a huge gamble as they would need around 2-3 seasons to change things around and learn the league and they would get 3 months if lucky from some of our fans. Robbie will get next season and as a fan I will support him and hopefully we get rewarded for it with success. I'd like to think there are people at the club who have a broader outlook than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 34 minutes ago, jr ewing said: I don't know anyone amongst my Hearts pals who want him to stay. I know supporters of other teams are desperate for him to stay. Says it all really. OK - thanks for clarifying. Bit different from "vast majority of Hearts fans" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: If we arent in the top 4 by xmas I think he will be under extreme pressure, especially if the standard of play is like last season. Nobody at Hearts is ever under extreme pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Nobody at Hearts is ever under extreme pressure Therein lies the problem. Acceptance of mediocrity by those running the club. An argument for another thread though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: How do you know this ? you been living on Mars? Every forum, every paper every form of social media. I don’t know a single real life fan who is anything more than tolerant or neilson. That’s as good as it gets for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, johnthomas said: I would have liked us to change the manager . We didn't . Therefore I will be behind Neilson same. I’ll tolerate him until it becomes more beneficial to press the club to expedite his exit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: OK - thanks for clarifying. Bit different from "vast majority of Hearts fans" though. Random sample though 10/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: OK - thanks for clarifying. Bit different from "vast majority of Hearts fans" though. Who said vast majority of...by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 58 minutes ago, jr ewing said: Who said vast majority of...by the way? Just more of kingubers slaverings- 4 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: first time round the vast majority were behind neilson. This time the vast majority are not for very valid reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 18 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Thanks for the info, be careful what you say on here though as a message I put up with the persons name blacked out mysteriously found it’s way back to the club and I had to ask to get it removed as my mate had got into trouble. Noted - thanks for the heads up. I tried to keep it vague, but will edit it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, blairdin said: Noted - thanks for the heads up. I tried to keep it vague, but will edit it now. 👍🏽 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 👍🏻 As Clear a majority as you will ever see .. every hibs rat on the board voted for him to stay as well 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Nobody at Hearts is ever under extreme pressure They are, they just don’t realise it. But they will when fans are allowed back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: They are, they just don’t realise it. But they will when fans are allowed back in. Prompting a 50,000 word statement criticising us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Prompting a 50,000 word statement criticising us We who are so called fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: 👍🏻 As Clear a majority as you will ever see .. every hibs rat on the board voted for him to stay as well 😆. Since when was Kickback the voice for the majority of Hearts fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, frankblack said: Since when was Kickback the voice for the majority of Hearts fans? Since the night the PHM of JKB got the Fish gig cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Since the night the PHM of JKB got the Fish gig cancelled. 😂😂🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, davemclaren said: 😂😂🧐 Landed that one smoothly, no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, blairdin said: Noted - thanks for the heads up. I tried to keep it vague, but will edit it now. Just a wee nod of thanks to the Mod who assisted with my tidying up request... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Since the night the PHM of JKB got the Fish gig cancelled. What Fish gig? It was never confirmed to be cancelled. If you think I'm bothered about that you are deluding yourself. So, given the deflection I take it you accept that polls on JKB to sack the manager with a few hundred anonymous posters carry zero weight as there is no direct link here to paying punters? Edited June 27, 2021 by frankblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, frankblack said: Since when was Kickback the voice for the majority of Hearts fans? The pattern was repeated across other forums, social media and even the newspapers. If you choose to dismiss the evidence that’s up to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, frankblack said: What Fish gig? It was never confirmed to be cancelled. If you think I'm bothered about that you are deluding yourself. So, given the deflection I take it you accept that polls on JKB to sack the manager with a few hundred anonymous posters carry zero weight as there is no direct link here to paying punters? even Laurie Dunsire, the hearts TV commentator wanted him binned 🤦♂️😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Just now, kingantti1874 said: The pattern was repeated across other forums, social media and even the newspapers. If you choose to dismiss the evidence that’s up to you That is your point of view but isn't a fact. Fans want to get on with the new season instead of going round in circles over something that isn't happening any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: even Laurie Dunsire, the hearts TV commentator wanted him binned 🤦♂️😂 Well that's that then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, frankblack said: That is your point of view but isn't a fact. Fans want to get on with the new season instead of going round in circles over something that isn't happening any time soon. Did you just criticise him for stating opinions instead of facts then tell us all what ‘fans want’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Did you just criticise him for stating opinions instead of facts then tell us all what ‘fans want’? I am just giving a counter argument to what he presents as facts. Either way we don't have a reliable measurement so its tiresome to keep banging on about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 52 minutes ago, frankblack said: That is your point of view but isn't a fact. Fans want to get on with the new season instead of going round in circles over something that isn't happening any time soon. How stating the outcome of numerous polls my opinion.? that aside, I agree “most” are desperate to get on with the season despite Neilson. Most but not all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, frankblack said: I am just giving a counter argument to what he presents as facts. Either way we don't have a reliable measurement so its tiresome to keep banging on about it. You haven't presented any counter argument at all at any point! What you have done is state your opinion! which you are entitled to do of course and then dismissed the outcome of multiple polls on here and elsewhere. I think you need to look up the meaning of hypocrisy. Back In In the real world I don’t know anyone who is actually pleased to have neilson in charge, there are however differing degrees of tolerance. Edited June 27, 2021 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: You haven't presented any counter argument at all at any point! What you have done is state your opinion! which you are entitled to do of course and then dismissed the outcome of multiple polls on here and elsewhere. I think you need to look up the meaning of hypocrisy. Back In In the real world I don’t know anyone who is actually pleased to have neilson in charge, there are however differing degrees of tolerance. Opinions can change in the space of a day. Polls are a snapshot of a particular moment in time. If you read social media, the Scotland team went from world beaters to no hopers in the space of 3 days. In reality the majority of fan opinion was somewhere in the middle. When it comes to Neilson, a vocal minority (impossible to prove the real opinion on Neilson until fans are in grounds again) were against him from the start. They were against him even when previously finishing 3rd and challenging for 2nd in the top league. Even winning the SC vs Celtic, which he very nearly did, probably wouldn't have changed their opinion. IMO the majority of Hearts fans want Neilson to succeed, while a minority genuinely seem to want him to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Opinions can change in the space of a day. Polls are a snapshot of a particular moment in time. If you read social media, the Scotland team went from world beaters to no hopers in the space of 3 days. In reality the majority of fan opinion was somewhere in the middle. When it comes to Neilson, a vocal minority (impossible to prove the real opinion on Neilson until fans are in grounds again) were against him from the start. They were against him even when previously finishing 3rd and challenging for 2nd in the top league. Even winning the SC vs Celtic, which he very nearly did, probably wouldn't have changed their opinion. IMO the majority of Hearts fans want Neilson to succeed, while a minority genuinely seem to want him to fail. We want the team to succeed. It won't with him in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Landed that one smoothly, no I thought the Fish gig was a windup anyway. 🤷♂️ used to drink in the pub with him when he was a forester up in Rosewell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jr ewing said: We want the team to succeed. It won't with him in charge. You must have made a fortune at the bookies with certainty like that. Past performance suggests we're more likely than not to start this season well under Neilson as all four of his Hearts teams have done that. After that who knows but again past performance suggests he can have us competing at the right end of the league. Not sure how sacking him weeks before the start of the season makes success more certain. One thing's for sure, not supporting the team makes success less likely no matter who the manager is. Edited June 27, 2021 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: How stating the outcome of numerous polls my opinion.? that aside, I agree “most” are desperate to get on with the season despite Neilson. Most but not all Celtic just signed a complete punt of a manager. As have Aberdeen and D Utd very recently. Hibs have a manager most of their support is still not convinced about even after they finished 3rd, given how he blew a very good chance to win two cups. Neilson at least has experience of building teams to challenge for 3rd and 2nd in the Premiership. Last season he proved he can put out a team that can perform in the latter stages of a cup (if not the early stages - still his big weakness). Edited June 27, 2021 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Just now, ToqueJambo said: You must have made a fortune at the bookies with certainty like that. Past performance suggests we're more likely than not to start this season well. After that who knows but again past performance suggests he can have us competing for Europe. Not sure how sacking him weeks before the start of the season makes success more certain. Needed the close season to bring someone new in. Based on last season we're most likely to start the season badly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, jr ewing said: Needed the close season to bring someone new in. Based on last season we're most likely to start the season badly . Last season we started very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Last season we started very well. And then .............awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, jr ewing said: And then .............awful. Finished well. Played some of our best stuff against teams we'll play next season too. IMO, based on his four previous season starts, Neilson is good at getting us prepped to hit the ground running in the league. Celtic present a different start mind you, but then I didn't expect us to beat Rangers at Ibrox in his first league game as Hearts manager. Edited June 27, 2021 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: You haven't presented any counter argument at all at any point! What you have done is state your opinion! which you are entitled to do of course and then dismissed the outcome of multiple polls on here and elsewhere. I think you need to look up the meaning of hypocrisy. Back In In the real world I don’t know anyone who is actually pleased to have neilson in charge, there are however differing degrees of tolerance. You haven't made your case for justification of validity of anonymous polls voted for by randoms who it can't be proven put money into the club and at best make up a tiny fraction of the season ticket holders total. That is why they are meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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