Top European Soccer Teams Agree to Join Breakaway League

[Des Lynam]

 

 

[Never Let Them Forget]

Mourinho sacked by Spurs after refusing to take the squad onto the training ground over the ESL admission.

[sandyk]

48 minutes ago, R1874 said:

All this outrage from English fans is embarrassing. Footballs been heading this way for years

 

Maybe worse is Scottish football fans talking how we are different. We are absolutely not

 

1. Celtic and Rangers would have gone if were big enough to get an invite 

 

2. we got demoted last year so Peter Lawwell could get his 9IAR. Hibs voted to finish a position lower and Dundee not to get promoted. Spare me the ‘Scottish football is different’ nonsense 

Absolutely this.  

 

Rangers and Celtic would not have thought twice about leaving, and will take up any invite they can get to leave the Scottish Leagues.

 

The German and French teams, who would have been invited, have turned this down.  They should get credit.

[Mysterion]

Confirmation - Jose Mourinho first manager of the European Super League to be sacked.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14693757/jose-mourinho-sacked-tottenham-spurs/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1618824754

[Jeff]

Just now, Mysterion said:

Confirmation - Jose Mourinho first manager of the European Super League to be sacked.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14693757/jose-mourinho-sacked-tottenham-spurs/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1618824754

 

Interesting seeing as though they have a cup final next weekend.

 

Probably more too it

[SE16 3LN]

2 hours ago, The Treasurer said:

You have to laugh at the likes of UEFA and the EPL greeting about teams creating a closed, money making competition, that is only for the elite rich clubs when it's exactly what they have done.

They bleat on about the "integrity of competition" when they have both effectively created a closed shop which is all about making money for those that already have an unfair advantage over other clubs in their domestic leagues.

Your comments would have more resonance if Hearts didn't play in a league where its almost 40 years since anyone outside the OF has won it and the majority saw a global pandemic as an opportunity to shut down the pyramid system and shaft the few. 

 

This could be bad for Scottish football, just as the EPL and Champions league have been for the majority of Scottish clubs. Of course if Scottish Football decide on democratising the game, eradicating sectarianism and racism, reducing admission prices, opening up bars and food outlets and investing in youth and grass roots development, we might see the Scottish game thrive. Sadly the OF and their arse lickers will attempt to block that. The ignorant behaviour of the majority of SPFL clubs at the start of the pandemic would suggest the OF way will be victorious.

[Cruyff]

Mourinho is a legend. A man with principles. 

 

👏

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

 

 

I lost focus when I could see the 6:2 goals over Kavehs right shoulder 🙈. 
It’s all getting a bit more real today. 

[shaun.lawson]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Mourinho is a legend. A man with principles. 

 

👏

 

https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/revealed-the-fortune-mourinho-has-earned-from-sacking-payouts-4261327#popup-sso

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Mourinho is a legend. A man with principles. 

 

👏

Hahahahaha good one 👍🏽

[Pasquale for King]

6 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Absolutely this.  

 

Rangers and Celtic would not have thought twice about leaving, and will take up any invite they can get to leave the Scottish Leagues.

 

The German and French teams, who would have been invited, have turned this down.  They should get credit.

At the minute, they’re expecting another 8 teams to join. Can’t see It being the uglies unless bigger teams refuse. 

[kila]

55 minutes ago, R1874 said:

All this outrage from English fans is embarrassing. Footballs been heading this way for years

 

Maybe worse is Scottish football fans talking how we are different. We are absolutely not

 

1. Celtic and Rangers would have gone if were big enough to get an invite 

 

2. we got demoted last year so Peter Lawwell could get his 9IAR. Hibs voted to finish a position lower and Dundee not to get promoted. Spare me the ‘Scottish football is different’ nonsense 

 

True, but the difference is Scottish football needs actual fans to survive. There isn't tourist attractions to fill seats here and while Celtic and Rangers may benefit a little from that, it's different to the other elite teams in England and beyond where they don't need any fans in their stadiums and can rely on the ridiculous TV money.

 

Scottish football is ****ed in its own way, but it needs the community support to keep going. The fans if we united could force real change in Scotland, but fans of other clubs too busy laughing (e.g. Hearts demotion). But if fans in England united, their clubs would just tell them to **** off because they aren't needed.

 

[Rogue Daddy]

42 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

It is no coincidence that this was announced yesterday, whilst at the sametime English tabloids were running a story that Paul Pogba was looking for 500k pw to stay at the team that is currently called Manchester United. Paul Pogba imho is not even worth 1 tenth of that salary a week.

This is the problem. Greed from the boardroom of clubs, to greed in the dressing rooms of these clubs.

Someone has to stand up and have the balls to say enough is enough.

Agree. I always predicted that the 'SKY billions bubble' would burst or be unsustainable, but I always thought it would be something like broadband and 'on-demand' choice of services, that would be to blame.

 

Pat Nevin was on the TV earlier stating that this is all about the debt these 'big 12' have amassed over the years, coming to a head with COVID. They're in deep trouble and need sizable funds to get out of a hole of their own making.

 

It's always been about greed. Clubs, players, associations.... could we'll be the death knell for a lot of clubs if this is allowed to go ahead. 

[sandyk]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

At the minute, they’re expecting another 8 teams to join. Can’t see It being the uglies unless bigger teams refuse. 

Be very surprised if they get the call.  Wont be surprised to see them 'replace' the others in the English League though.

 

Turkish Clubs, Greek Clubs, perhaps Ajax/Seville will be in the mix.  Although I mentioned France in a positive manner, would not surprise me if PSG go as well

[Bazzas right boot]

Elite football is ****ed. 

I've been losing more interest in it as I've grown older. 

 

It's about the marketing and appealing to the large markets abroad. 

Within a few years we'll have midnight and early am kick of times to get the  American / Asian markets at peak times.

 

Covid will speed this up, elite teams have now realised they don't need fans to get money or to survive, TV money is all that matters. 

 

Fred title needs changed as well to

"Top European soccer teams and Tottenham agree.." 

[Hashimoto]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

In what way are the Steelers and Cowboys not franchises by the way?

Family owned...

[Tazio]

11 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Mourinho is a legend. A man with principles. 

 

👏

It’s easy to have principles if you make millions by being sacked. 

[Hashimoto]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

Mk Dons and Livingston to name but a few? Could you name a few more then?

Nope!

[Martin_T]

There has effectively been a European Super League for sometime now. Elite clubs have locked in dominance at the top of all of the domestic leagues, indeed Scotland is probably the longest serving example of this.

 

For people saying that Scottish football will be ok etc, you can take it to the bank that Rangers and Celtic will be straining every sinew to get involved with this.

[Bazzas right boot]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

At the minute, they’re expecting another 8 teams to join. Can’t see It being the uglies unless bigger teams refuse. 

 

 

Unsure. 

 

Celtic in particular have a "mass" appeal. 

Celtic and rangers together is very marketable, also adds in the Anglo saxon Riverly, battle of Britain etc. 

 

No doubt Scottish football hold these two " brands" back, particularly celtic imo. 

 

It's all about the viewing figures. 

 

For example Chuck the money spurs get from the epl at either of these two and they can suddenly compete in the transfer market, imo they instantly have more global apeal than a spurs or A Madrid. 

Especially celtic. 

 

 

Hopefully they do **** off. 

 

[Cruyff]

12 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/revealed-the-fortune-mourinho-has-earned-from-sacking-payouts-4261327#popup-sso

 

 

So what. 

[Hagar the Horrible]

17 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Absolutely this.  

 

Rangers and Celtic would not have thought twice about leaving, and will take up any invite they can get to leave the Scottish Leagues.

 

The German and French teams, who would have been invited, have turned this down.  They should get credit.

German clubs are mostly fan owned, or as its now put Legacy owned.

 

Or as Ann Budge puts it not real fans anyway

[Heartsofgold]

10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

At the minute, they’re expecting another 8 teams to join. Can’t see It being the uglies unless bigger teams refuse. 

I don't know.  any new league will need it's whipping boys and the arse cheeks will certainly fall into that catagory if they get invited.

[Cruyff]

4 minutes ago, Tazio said:

It’s easy to have principles if you make millions by being sacked. 

He won't manage one of those big clubs, will he? 

 

Only person that's stood up to them so far. Don't see anyone else doing so.

[shaun.lawson]

So that's a 'nein' from Bayern and Dortmund, and a 'non' from PSG.

 

This is such a public relations disaster that I'm really not sure any other club will say 'yes'? Except Celtic and Rangers, that is.

[Smoked-Glass]

I don't watch champions league or Europa league as it is.  Doubt I'll be interested in this new thing. 

[Martin_T]

Given it's based on the NFL /American Sports Franchise model, I think it's likely that they will look to create franchises in new territories as time goes on.

 

Could a start up Edinburgh franchise based at Murrayfield kill off Hearts and Hibs?

[Cruickie's Moustache]

This has been coming for years. No surprise whatsoever.

 

The teams named so far all have the ability to fill their stadiums week in week out through both local fans and football tourists (see below).

 

Therefore the  'attending' fan base in there and clearly it is believed there is also an international fan base that will be willing to part with cash for watching games, other media productions and buying merch.

 

The fans can moan all they like but the reality is that, having been to Old Trafford a few times with my son (his choice not mine), many supporters of these larger EPL clubs have a sense of entitlement and would hate to miss out on being at the top table.

 

As someone said earlier, play Real Madrid twice a year or Norwich, easy decision and one that future fans will not be worried about.

 

Always remember the 1975 film Rollerball when they predicted the loss of the world cup and sport and teams  becoming nothing more than a corporate run franchise system.

 

A proposed ESL is really just a logical progression and adoption of the US model. That being said even though the franchise system is capitalisms at it worst in terms of concentrating the money between a handful of owner,  once in, the operation of the leagues are very socialist in terms of ensuring a degree of equality across the board, given the draft system, the sharing of revenue for merchandising, tv deals etc.

 

Difficult to see how a draft system could be arranged for a ESL but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

[shaun.lawson]

1 minute ago, Cruyff said:

He won't manage one of those big clubs, will he? 

 

Only person that's stood up to them so far. Don't see anyone else doing so.

 

He's been facing the sack for months. If he has done what one journo has alleged, that'll have been to get it over and done with, make off with ANOTHER massive pay-off, and have complete fools like you worshipping his 'principles'.

 

The eye-poker has one principle in life and one only. His bank account.

[kingantti1874]

This started 30 years ago. The current format of the champions league, the money that it created, and the consolidation of wealth to the big 3/4 leagues already effectively killed off some of Europe’s  leagues. Scotland, Holland, Portugal..

 

I didn’t hear any crying before . It was only a matter of time before the greed was narrowed to a smaller cohort

 

all of this said. I do think that European football needs a shake up.  I would love to see European leagues with a regional system underpinning it. As long as the pyramid is maintained and there is opportunity to progress.
 

 

[Mysterion]

2 minutes ago, Martin_T said:

There has effectively been a European Super League for sometime now. Elite clubs have locked in dominance at the top of all of the domestic leagues, indeed Scotland is probably the longest serving example of this.

 

For people saying that Scottish football will be ok etc, you can take it to the bank that Rangers and Celtic will be straining every sinew to get involved with this.

 

Yeah. I agree with your comments here for the most part. 

 

I sort of think if it does go ahead that the remnants of the Champions League and Uefa league may become diminished financially but become a more prestige and unpredictable competition since there will be more spaces available (eg. chances are a 3rd place Scottish team could make it to the group stage of the CL increased). 

 

That said - i'm 100% for any team leaving entering a European league or leaving their domestic league to be banned from domestic cups etc. Not sure if it is right to ban players from representing their national team though. 

[PortonianJambo]

16 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/revealed-the-fortune-mourinho-has-earned-from-sacking-payouts-4261327#popup-sso

 

 

I’m not particularly a fan of Mourinho, but it’s hardly his fault he’s earned big money from being sacked, is it?The clubs he’s managed wanted him, AND WERE PREPARED TO PAY.

[May one-six]

This is all bluffing on a massive scale. The clubs involved can't afford to get thrown out of their domestic leagues, as is being threatened. Meanwhile, UEFA lose a lot of power if these clubs walk away. No doubt there will be some sort of 'compromise' that makes UEFA tournaments even more anti competitive.

[Martin_T]

2 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

He's been facing the sack for months. If he has done what one journo has alleged, that'll have been to get it over and done with, make off with ANOTHER massive pay-off, and have complete fools like you worshipping his 'principles'.

 

The eye-poker has one principle in life and one only. His bank account.

 

Indeed, Mourinho as a pious martyr, a man who has greatly enriched himself off the back of the billionaire ownership and Champions League era, is probably the biggest nonsense spouted about this farce so far.

[Pasquale for King]

14 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Be very surprised if they get the call.  Wont be surprised to see them 'replace' the others in the English League though.

 

Turkish Clubs, Greek Clubs, perhaps Ajax/Seville will be in the mix.  Although I mentioned France in a positive manner, would not surprise me if PSG go as well

It’s all for grabs, do you stay and win all the trophies. Spurs would be better off doing that imo. 

[Mysterion]

2 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

I didn’t hear any crying before . It was only a matter of time before the greed was narrowed to a smaller cohort

 

all of this said. I do think that European football needs a shake up.  I would love to see European leagues with a regional system underpinning it. As long as the pyramid is maintained and there is opportunity to progress.
 

 

 

It's the perceived lack of competition that's the problem. Whilst there's problems with the existing European cup comps the main thing is that there's a qualification element to it where teams can earn a place into the main competition. ESL makes earning a place almost non existent. 

 

[Pasquale for King]

8 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said:

I don't know.  any new league will need it's whipping boys and the arse cheeks will certainly fall into that catagory if they get invited.

Most of the clubs in it will be whipping boys, who wants to go to Glasgow instead of some if the nicer places with bigger clubs. 

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, May one-six said:

This is all bluffing on a massive scale. The clubs involved can't afford to get thrown out of their domestic leagues, as is being threatened. Meanwhile, UEFA lose a lot of power if these clubs walk away. No doubt there will be some sort of 'compromise' that makes UEFA tournaments even more anti competitive.

i thought this, but can the domestic leagues really afford to kick them out? Can UEFA FIFA  afford to exclude the best players from national team football.

 

UEFA have created a monster which is about to eat them, they have allowed money and thus power to be hoarded by less than 15 clubs in the world. Together  these clubs have more power and resources than the governing body

[Heartsofgold]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Most of the clubs in it will be whipping boys, who wants to go to Glasgow instead of some if the nicer places with bigger clubs. 

Don't you know Glasgow has some of the greatest fans in the world?!?!

 

For what it's worth, I don't think Manchester or Seville will agree with that sentiment.

[Pasquale for King]

12 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Unsure. 

 

Celtic in particular have a "mass" appeal. 

Celtic and rangers together is very marketable, also adds in the Anglo saxon Riverly, battle of Britain etc. 

 

No doubt Scottish football hold these two " brands" back, particularly celtic imo. 

 

It's all about the viewing figures. 

 

For example Chuck the money spurs get from the epl at either of these two and they can suddenly compete in the transfer market, imo they instantly have more global apeal than a spurs or A Madrid. 

Especially celtic. 

 

 

Hopefully they do **** off. 

 

I hope they do but it’s doubtful, OF games don’t really have that many folk watch it if other games are on. 
There might not be a Britain by the time this starts. 

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Heartsofgold said:

Don't you know Glasgow has some of the greatest fans in the world?!?!

 

For what it's worth, I don't think Manchester or Seville will agree with that sentiment.

Indeed, or any place that’s had the dubious pleasure of the scummy *****. 

[SectionDJambo]

Will it be interesting to see the difference in legal entitlement to do what they want in Europe as opposed to the UK, now that the UK is no longer a member of the EU? If I remember correctly, Bosman was ruled on initially by EU employment law.

Will the English clubs get protected by law in their pursuit of wanting to do what they want without any sanction from UEFA? Will their players be able to prevent UEFA stopping them earning a living in European competition?

[kingantti1874]

4 minutes ago, Mysterion said:

 

It's the perceived lack of competition that's the problem. Whilst there's problems with the existing European cup comps the main thing is that there's a qualification element to it where teams can earn a place into the main competition. ESL makes earning a place almost non existent. 

 

agreed. Top European Division, with Lower divisions based on geography e.g Atlantic league 2. A Mediterranean league . and then national league system And a system of playoff which creates opportunity to succeed and to fail. 

[sandyk]

6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s all for grabs, do you stay and win all the trophies. Spurs would be better off doing that imo. 

But that's the thing for these owners now.

 

Not about the trophies, its about the money.  The investors wont get a fat profit for winning the FA cup.

 

[Unknown user]

21 minutes ago, Hashimoto said:

Family owned...

The franchises may well be family owned, they're still franchises though.

[Cruyff]

16 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

He's been facing the sack for months. If he has done what one journo has alleged, that'll have been to get it over and done with, make off with ANOTHER massive pay-off, and have complete fools like you worshipping his 'principles'.

 

The eye-poker has one principle in life and one only. His bank account.

I reckon Pep, Klopp and Solskjaer resign or force a sacking in similar circumstances. 

[Pasquale for King]

3 minutes ago, sandyk said:

But that's the thing for these owners now.

 

Not about the trophies, its about the money.  The investors wont get a fat profit for winning the FA cup.

 

Indeed it is, has been for a while. I wonder if teams like Salford will gather up the “legacy fans” as they’re being described as these club looks for the fans of the future all around the world. 

[Pasquale for King]

Dortmund saying they won’t join. 
https://theathletic.com/news/european-super-league-borussia-dortmund/vSwVJa8gF7ki

Edited April 19, 2021 by Pasquale for King
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[The Hogfather]

Couple of things I've noted in the last 24 hours that I found interesting;

 

• Juventus have stated that this is all for the good of the game. An attitude I'm sure they held when they were found guilty of match fixing in 2006, resulting in their titles being stripped from them and being relegated to Serie B. Elite.

 

• Spurs haven't won a league title in 60 years. Elite.

 

• Schalke, rock bottom of the Bundesliga, have appeared in a Champions League semi-final more recently than Arsenal. Elite.

 

• Barcelona are roughly €1bn in debt. Elite.

 

• Arsenal laid off 55 staff due to Covid, yet held secret meetings about the share of £350,000,000,000 they're about to receive. Elite.

 

• Liverpool tried to furlough staff, but were forced to back down by their fans outrage. Elite.

 

• If you combined the total number of European Cups won by Arsenal, Atletico, Chelsea, Manchester City & Tottenham, they'd still have less than Nottingham Forest. Elite.

 

The fact that half these clubs believe they're within the elite of football is staggeringly funny.

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Nunya Business

[redjambo]