Cruyff Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Dortmund saying they won’t join. https://theathletic.com/news/european-super-league-borussia-dortmund/vSwVJa8gF7ki None of the German sides will join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 ‘Legacy fans’ is a term that has an almost Orwellian feel to it. Absolutely disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: I hope they do but it’s doubtful, OF games don’t really have that many folk watch it if other games are on. There might not be a Britain by the time this starts. I think it's more about going forward and potential than what happens just now, especially in regards to the OF and Scottish football. Very few folk care about Scottish football and I include Scotland in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Just beat me to it 👍🏽 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: None of the German sides will join. Hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 The clubs may think they have power but the real power, the power to draw fans and sponsorships and be entertained, lies with the mega superstar players. If the players decide that their freedom of movement is going to be severely limited to whatever clubs are in this new ESL, as they are banned from playing for either their national teams or for any team in a league recognised and accredited by FIFA/UEFA. Then again, they might be just as mercenary minded as their ESL employers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Pasquale for King said: Hope so. Their fans wouldn't accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: I think it's more about going forward and potential than what happens just now, especially in regards to the OF and Scottish football. Very few folk care about Scottish football and I include Scotland in that. Spot on. The SFA wouldn’t expel them unless forced to and somehow get Colt teams to represent them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Cruyff said: Their fans wouldn't accept it. You can say that about most clubs though. Munich might be tempted but we will need to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I wonder how many leagues are praying their greedy 'top teams' just fuvk off out their league structure, it cant just be Scotland. An unregulated league, managed by the greedy 12, what could possibly go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, Tazio said: It’s easy to have principles if you make millions by being sacked. To be fair, it's even easier not to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 If there are 5 clubs that earn access every season, does that mean there is relegation? Or does it mean the 5 non members will just change places every season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Pasquale for King said: You can say that about most clubs though. Munich might be tempted but we will need to wait and see. They can be tempted all they want but, apart from RB Leipzig, all the German clubs are in the 51/49 ownership bracket. The fans must agree to any major moves like this which changes the official status and designation of the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Berra than you Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: You can say that about most clubs though. Munich might be tempted but we will need to wait and see. Think the difference is that all (I think) German clubs are at least 51% fan owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Spot on. The SFA wouldn’t expel them unless forced to and somehow get Colt teams to represent them. If that happens then this happy clapper is out. Hearts being shit won't see me walk away but the sfa, the spfl and the shit show that is Scottish football might. Mussleburgh A beckons on a Saturday for me if that plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complete control Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Alex Ferguson up in arms aboot this. He was quiet when manager when they pulled out of the f.a cup to chase the dosh in some country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrinkly Ninja Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Their fans wouldn't accept it. With a different ownership model and no legacy fans it will be interesting to see if Leipzig are invited and how they respond, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyk Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Indeed it is, has been for a while. I wonder if teams like Salford will gather up the “legacy fans” as they’re being described as these club looks for the fans of the future all around the world. I hope so, I really do. If the FA stick to their guns and do the right thing by saying 'if you join the ESL' you leave the EPL, then the fans of the 'big 6' will have a lot of free Saturday and Sundays. Lower league teams, such as FCUM, Salford, Brentford ( know they are flying high in the Championship) and Tranmere will surely benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: They can be tempted all they want but, apart from RB Leipzig, all the German clubs are in the 51/49 ownership bracket. The fans must agree to any major moves like this which changes the official status and designation of the clubs. Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are both privately owned, by Bayer and Volkswagen respectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, complete control said: Alex Ferguson up in arms aboot this. He was quiet when manager when they pulled out of the f.a cup to chase the dosh in some country. He spoke out against the Glazers take over at MUFC but soon back tracked on it. I find the outrage just a bit hypocritical given the top English clubs did exactly what the ESL proposes with their Premiership scheme to enrich the rich and damn the rest which was endorsed by the English FA too as they allowed the clubs to effectively leave the English league but continue to operate as leagues clubs under the auspices of the FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: They can be tempted all they want but, apart from RB Leipzig, all the German clubs are in the 51/49 ownership bracket. The fans must agree to any major moves like this which changes the official status and designation of the clubs. I forgot about that 👍🏽. Red Bull will want to get involved maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are both privately owned, by Bayer and Volkswagen respectively I think clubs in that ownership status in Germany are allowed because they were formed as works clubs by those companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, sandyk said: I hope so, I really do. If the FA stick to their guns and do the right thing by saying 'if you join the ESL' you leave the EPL, then the fans of the 'big 6' will have a lot of free Saturday and Sundays. Lower league teams, such as FCUM, Salford, Brentford ( know they are flying high in the Championship) and Tranmere will surely benefit. Fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, sandyk said: I hope so, I really do. If the FA stick to their guns and do the right thing by saying 'if you join the ESL' you leave the EPL, then the fans of the 'big 6' will have a lot of free Saturday and Sundays. Lower league teams, such as FCUM, Salford, Brentford ( know they are flying high in the Championship) and Tranmere will surely benefit. As I just posted ; there might be a problem for the English FA here because they allowed the top clubs to effectively quit the League set up and have the Premiership run under the auspices of the English FA to ensure league clubs had no say in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said: He spoke out against the Glazers take over at MUFC but soon back tracked on it. I find the outrage just a bit hypocritical given the top English clubs did exactly what the ESL proposes with their Premiership scheme to enrich the rich and damn the rest which was endorsed by the English FA too as they allowed the clubs to effectively leave the English league but continue to operate as leagues clubs under the auspices of the FA. It is hypocrisy, Sky Sports the worst with this outrage fuelled by losing the coverage, not out of any love of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Martin_T said: I think clubs in that ownership status in Germany are allowed because they were formed as works clubs by those companies. Yep, just saying that it's not only RB Leipzig that are exceptions to the 51% rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Berra than you said: Think the difference is that all (I think) German clubs are at least 51% fan owned. It’s a good model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Pasquale for King said: It is hypocrisy, Sky Sports the worst with this outrage fuelled by losing the coverage, not out of any love of the game. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, Tazio said: It’s easy to have principles if you make millions by being sacked. It is easier not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: If that happens then this happy clapper is out. Hearts being shit won't see me walk away but the sfa, the spfl and the shit show that is Scottish football might. Mussleburgh A beckons on a Saturday for me if that plays out. I think a lot of folk would join you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Berra than you said: Think the difference is that all (I think) German clubs are at least 51% fan owned. Its 50% plus 1 share. Ie so the fans have the majority say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Barack said: I shared that about Dortmund up there, good that Bayern have said no too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyk Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said: As I just posted ; there might be a problem for the English FA here because they allowed the top clubs to effectively quit the League set up and have the Premiership run under the auspices of the English FA to ensure league clubs had no say in it. You are correct, however the problem they now is that just 6 of the EPL will have quadruple the money they get now. I don't know the set up of the EPL with regards to getting things through. Do all clubs in the EPL have a vote in anything, or is it just the FA say, this is what is happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Who knows how this will end but it wouldn't surprise me if this was just an elaborate move to give the elite clubs an even stronger bargaining position in their power grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Who knows how this will end but it wouldn't surprise me if this was just an elaborate move to give the elite clubs an even stronger bargaining position in their power grab. I thought the same, feels like it’s gone beyond that. How humiliating would a climb down be now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Smithee said: Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are both privately owned, by Bayer and Volkswagen respectively And Hoffenheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, sandyk said: You are correct, however the problem they now is that just 6 of the EPL will have quadruple the money they get now. I don't know the set up of the EPL with regards to getting things through. Do all clubs in the EPL have a vote in anything, or is it just the FA say, this is what is happening? All I know is the premiership (or whatever it's called now) is run by the FA , not the English League. This is to ensure the money was kept away from the league clubs and stop it being diluted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Barack said: Ah, fair enough. I'm late to this party & haven't read the previous pages. Pragmatism from the German's. Who'd have thought...(?) Good on them, fans making decisions eh 🤔🤷🏾♂️😜? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Des Lynam said: And Hoffenheim. I knew there was at least 1 I was forgetting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: You can say that about most clubs though. Munich might be tempted but we will need to wait and see. Fans own the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said: All I know is the premiership (or whatever it's called now) is run by the FA , not the English League. This is to ensure the money was kept away from the league clubs and stop it being diluted. The EPL is run by the EPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Let's not get too distracted as Donkey would like as Brechin lick there way to saftey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, sandyk said: You are correct, however the problem they now is that just 6 of the EPL will have quadruple the money they get now. I don't know the set up of the EPL with regards to getting things through. Do all clubs in the EPL have a vote in anything, or is it just the FA say, this is what is happening? The most depressing stat that came out a while back was that most EPL teams would still show a profit if no fans were at any games. Before the pandemic incidentally. If ever there was a indictment of the modern game, that was it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: Who knows how this will end but it wouldn't surprise me if this was just an elaborate move to give the elite clubs an even stronger bargaining position in their power grab. At first I thought this was being done so they could get the Champions league changes they want. But I actually think we’re witnessing a changing of the guard. It’s difficult to have sympathy for UEFA or FIFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 This will all end in tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: Who knows how this will end but it wouldn't surprise me if this was just an elaborate move to give the elite clubs an even stronger bargaining position in their power grab. Think it's more to save Barcelona and Real from financial oblivion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
main Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 A bit surprised at all the surprise and outrage in the reaction to this news. Football as it once was has been slowly undermined in this country since 1992. The last ten years has seen quite a noticeable acceleration in elitism and all the other aspects of modern football that many find so repugnant - £50 for a shite seat at the corner flag, corporate bs, gloryhunters/twitter fanboys, ‘entitled to go down’, genera sterilising of atmosphere in the grounds to name but a few. Something like this has been on the cards for a while. It’s like allowing termites to live in your house for a long time because you can’t see any immediate significant damage but being shocked when the foundations give way and the house collapses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, The Wrinkly Ninja said: With a different ownership model and no legacy fans it will be interesting to see if Leipzig are invited and how they respond, however. I think Leipzig, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim and Leverkusen are different but I don't think the have the interest worldwide. However, imo I think the 15 are going to struggle to get another 5 teams in their league and will have to invite clubs from perhaps Asia, the Americas and maybe clubs like Leipzig to make up the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Boreland QC has confirmed the Calpol 3 wish to join and will insist its done by a closed doors arbitration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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