south morocco Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Got to remember, he’s playing in the championship. For me he loses possession cheaply at times. Is one footed. But can definitely play some great passes. Needs to bulk up a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I don’t care what anyone says but he won’t go on to play for a bigger club than hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagey Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 McEneff and Halliday offers more as a midfield pairing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 The boy is horseshit and will never make the grade up from Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Hoyle Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Good player, wank manager who will ruin him Not the managers fault he strolls about like he is towing a caravan (his booking today summed him up) playing 10 yard square or backwards to the central defenders. Him and Halliday are everything that’s wrong with the way we play. Unless he shows more aggression and a will to go forward he can leave tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 If he thinks he can get a better deal than we are offering go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1874 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Needs dropped. Was superb earlier this season but isn’t at it atm. Decision making poor. Defending average. Needs to boss these games and make a difference. Movement in front doesn’t help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Cuore Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Another Holt. Will be at St Johnstone / Livingston within 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilso Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Please can we have a centre midfield partnership of Haring and Mceneef rather than Irving and Halliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Forza Cuore said: Another Holt. Will be at St Johnstone / Livingston within 3 years. He is nowhere near as good as Holt was when he first came into the side. Sorry, but that's just the way I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Didn't notice him.until he cut the Qos boy in half. Rotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie al 1960 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, swilso said: Please can we have a centre midfield partnership of Haring and Mceneef rather than Irving and Halliday mcneef will be a stick out in this team - Mark my words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 He can go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Noticed how one footed he is today. Will make him very easy to play against unless he can get that sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Maybe we can stop all the talk about signing him to what ever he wants for a few weeks. He was crap tonight and not for the first time. He may turn out to be good in the future but he’s not anywhere near as good as he/agent thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Could you actually see him standing out at Dunfermline, Dundee or Raith? He's bang average. Young but shouldn't be on mega bucks unless we're certain he's going to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Cameron Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Maybe a victim of his own relative success? Looked great when teams gave him time and space but looks one dimensional now that opposition don't give him the opportunity to dictate play. Technically gifted no doubt but perhaps lacking physically. Worry that he will be accounted for by opposition and therefore pointless and even a liability due to defensive weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarneyvB Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Not cutting it all the moment, maybe ego getting on top of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: The boy is horseshit and will never make the grade up from Hearts. not often i agree with you but yep will probably sign contract tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 On one hand I feel the contract negotiations are affecting his performances. On the other hand that’s a little of his own/agent’s doing. Young players need to be rested now and again as they are inconsistent in early stages of their career. He needs dropped for the next game for McEneff. And Haring needs to come in for Halliday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, swilso said: Luxury player, can't defend, can't tackle, poor in the air and has no pace. Haring is a far better player and will be needed much more in the premiership than Irving True,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Woudnt be missed. Can go for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblair182 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 weeks in a row he’s been clearly nullified. Good player and good Hearts man but a squad player is his current level and the wages offered should reflect that. Hopefully Hearts and Irving improve in stature in the years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Good player, wank manager who will ruin him 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblair182 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, swilso said: Please can we have a centre midfield partnership of Haring and Mceneef rather than Irving and Halliday worth a go next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 What I’d be concerned about is his lack of appetite to replicate the brief spell of energy and more purpose put into his game and promoted by Stendel. Surely as a young player you should absorb that style, embrace it and if anything, is a learning curve. For me, he’s slipped back too easily into a lazy role, mostly out of the key areas where you’d need to be more sharp and imposing. For 5 minutes at the start he was pushed up and I was delighted to see it. Very quickly he dropped back. The lad has ability but he really needs a manager who’ll make him see what will improve him. If not, I don’t think he’s going to change much. And If he doesn’t know it himself, then it’s an even more disappointing scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Good player, wank manager who will ruin him Why do you think Robbie is ruining him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kimble Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Very poor last night, let him go if he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Debut 4 said: What I’d be concerned about is his lack of appetite to replicate the brief spell of energy and more purpose put into his game and promoted by Stendel. Surely as a young player you should absorb that style, embrace it and if anything, is a learning curve. For me, he’s slipped back too easily into a lazy role, mostly out of the key areas where you’d need to be more sharp and imposing. For 5 minutes at the start he was pushed up and I was delighted to see it. Very quickly he dropped back. The lad has ability but he really needs a manager who’ll make him see what will improve him. If not, I don’t think he’s going to change much. And If he doesn’t know it himself, then it’s an even more disappointing scenario. I think his head’s been turned. No coincidence that his form has dipped rapidly since he rejected the contract offer. His body language and demeanour has changed as well. He looks like a guy who doesn’t feel valued. Probably thinks McEneff has been brought in to replace him as he’s been subbed off for him two weeks on the bounce. He’s doing the work of two midfielders as his partner has been on a jolly for months now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Cuore Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 8 hours ago, neilnunb said: He is nowhere near as good as Holt was when he first came into the side. Sorry, but that's just the way I see it. I agree with you. My point is he thinks he is better than he is (and a few on here think). I'd give him a deadline to sign the contract on the table.or tell him to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambmoz Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 His head has overtaken his ability, unfortunately he seems to think he really is a pirlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Still young so his form will dip and rise rather than being steady , his head will be all over the place with the contract talks . A wee chat from the senior players and the manager , a game or two out off the firing line would help as well . Not sure who his agent is but whoever he/she is should be aware that their advice is having a detrimental affect on a young players performance . Id offer him a deal , give him a deadline , if it’s signed great , if not fine we go our separate ways . Not many players leave Hearts and go onto play at bigger clubs and at the level we will be playing at next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 And I was ridiculed on here for saying he wasn’t worth the big bucks he was demanding just a couple of weeks ago Half the problem is Halliday who seems bent on kicking people rather than playing football. Hoping McEneff gets up to speed quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 9 hours ago, everton_jambo said: Noticed how one footed he is today. Will make him very easy to play against unless he can get that sorted. Been saying it for months. Simple pass on right foot to cut a team mate out to move the ball wide in one pass and due to being his standing on leg only he has to use his left peg changing the options available thus slowing things down. Far worse than Perry Kitchen for failing to find a forward ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Remember though folks, there's no one in Scotland, within our budget, better than Irving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parttimer1874 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 hours ago, theshed said: I don’t care what anyone says but he won’t go on to play for a bigger club than hearts I used to say this about Jamie Walker and people laughed. For what it’s worth I agree with you on Irving too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackshades Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just another eion Jess will say he is a fantastic prospect when he's 29 .he's great when your winning but get him to change a match and hes found wanting.really not bothered if he signs again or not . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatlock Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Opposition team talk: See that hearts playmaker with the wand of a left foot, stand at his left side and make him pass sideways as he can’t use his right foot. Job done! Porty Pirlo? Potty pillow more like. Take the deal or piss off and take your new found ego with you😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I thought we might see the people saying he is such a great player, with great vision and passing might have said something. My big concern was he disappeared last night. When the going is tough that's when you see the good players. Others say he does well with lots of possession when we are dominating. That won't be the case so much in the Premiership. Jury is out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Irving needs to make up his mind where he wants to be pretty quickly. Just now I’m seeing a player who shuffles about not doing very much but now and again producing something exciting. Now and again is not what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 His form is off the cliff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Hoyle Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Deevers said: Irving needs to make up his mind where he wants to be pretty quickly. Just now I’m seeing a player who shuffles about not doing very much but now and again producing something exciting. Now and again is not what we need. He needs dropped until he does. He seems to have lost the hunger of a few weeks ago. Whether that’s to do with his contract who knows but until it’s sorted out he needs to be out the team. I’ve said before I think given time and the right attitude he could be a good player but a massive part of me thinks that Andy Irving thinks he is already there. He is miles off being a premier league midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 If his agent announced he’d signed a pre contract with someone else I’d be delighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: If his agent announced he’d signed a pre contract with someone else I’d be delighted. Ive kept my powder dry on him but to be honest I’ve not seen all that much this season to suggest he’s any better than the midfielder who took to the field 18 times out of 31 for us last season and was on the winning team just 3 times. And got relegated. Now he’s allegedly off to some big club in Germany? Jordan McGee / Adam King type move sounds like. Will go somewhere and won’t play a game. A move like that will see him playing at QoS or Raith in under 2 years. Should be grabbing that Hearts contract with both hands and grateful we’re showing faith in him. Long, arduous developmental journey ahead for him to reach Hearts standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: If his agent announced he’d signed a pre contract with someone else I’d be delighted. Yes,he thinks he is better than he actually is,flatters to deceive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon 1874 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Deevers said: Irving needs to make up his mind where he wants to be pretty quickly. Just now I’m seeing a player who shuffles about not doing very much but now and again producing something exciting. Now and again is not what we need. 20 minutes ago, Billy Hoyle said: He needs dropped until he does. He seems to have lost the hunger of a few weeks ago. Whether that’s to do with his contract who knows but until it’s sorted out he needs to be out the team. I’ve said before I think given time and the right attitude he could be a good player but a massive part of me thinks that Andy Irving thinks he is already there. He is miles off being a premier league midfielder. TBH I came on this thread to say exactly the same, in the past two games it's been identical and both times he was subbed, I would like to see Haring and McEneff starting, it might give him the kick up the arse he needs, play the psychological game and show him that he is not the only one we have that can get the job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Doesn't have a right foot......AT ALL This makes him awkwardly shift his body and so at times a simple right foot pass forward turns into a left foot pass back. No doubt with his left he finds a pass but the fact he doesnt even have a right foot to make a 10yrd pass will stop him progressing. How he doesnt work on this is beyond me i mean my 8 year old practises with both feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Ive kept my powder dry on him but to be honest I’ve not seen all that much this season to suggest he’s any better than the midfielder who took to the field 18 times out of 31 for us last season and was on the winning team just 3 times. And got relegated. Now he’s allegedly off to some big club in Germany? Jordan McGee / Adam King type move sounds like. Will go somewhere and won’t play a game. A move like that will see him playing at QoS or Raith in under 2 years. Should be grabbing that Hearts contract with both hands and grateful we’re showing faith in him. Long, arduous developmental journey ahead for him to reach Hearts standard. It's possible he's just been offered a better deal elsewhere. Whether he is or isn't good enough for us or them is kind of irrelevant. If he can make more money and/or join a club where he thinks he can develop more he'd be mad not to take. I wouldn't lose any sleep if he does as I don't think he's up to much. There's a lot of scope for me to improve and progress up the organisation at my work. I'm not currently at that level and maybe never will be. I'd still take a pay rise and the offer of help to reach those levels from another company if they came in and offered it. It wouldn't make me suddenly think I'm too good for my current employer. Edited February 13, 2021 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashimoto Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 His games against Hibs and Celtic in the SC showed him up big time. Caught in possession, and closed down every time. If memory serves me right, think he got subbed in both matches....Ineffective against better teams..... Far too slow to make it into the big time....For a big rangy lad he needs to find at least another yard and find it quick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Are we seeing another agent screw up a lads development in his (the agents) rush for financial gain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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