Levein and MacPhee left on May 31st ( updated )

[Last Laff]

4 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

He made some very good tweaks to Cathro's squad - Callahan, McLaughlin, Milinkovic and Adoa for example. He then used summer to build an excellent squad initially, and then made a promising start to strengthening that one the next summer.

 

Injuries - as you know but choose to ignore - decimated both squads - one that was heading for a cup final and top 3 place - and put us on the back foot for some time.

 

That's not excusing him for failing to manage that situation well enough, it's just stating an absolute fact. Just like Stendel has also been unlucky with injuries to Sibbick and Boyce almost immediately after signing them.

Injuries. Aye we know.  Why did Budge sack him then? In both roles? 
 

The squad wasn’t excellent at any point at all. In your head aye,  but it was unbalanced all over the place, Milinkovic he didn’t even want to play because he was forward thinking, Adao was rank as was Ross Callaghan who went back to his normal level as soon as he got punted. Good examples tho. **** sake man. 

Edited June 2, 2020 by Last Laff

[fila]

Cannot be bothered reading back over the last couple of pages, please tell me, people are not actually defending CL's management of the club over the last five years 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

3 minutes ago, fila said:

Cannot be bothered reading back over the last couple of pages, please tell me, people are not actually defending CL's management of the club over the last five years 

Of course they are. They live for a Levein debate.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

2 hours ago, Last Laff said:

Injuries. Aye we know.  Why did Budge sack him then? In both roles? 
 

The squad wasn’t excellent at any point at all. In your head aye,  but it was unbalanced all over the place, Milinkovic he didn’t even want to play because he was forward thinking, Adao was rank as was Ross Callaghan who went back to his normal level as soon as he got punted. Good examples tho. **** sake man. 

 

Adao was excellent. Him and Djoum looked like the start of a great partnership until - guess what - Djoum got injured! Callahan was exactly what we needed at that time. A cheap, play for the jersey player who immediately added much-needed drive and heart to the team and contributed to some very good results. A handful of goals from midfield was what we needed as well. Levein signed Milinkovic, played him and tried to sign him permanently. But yeah, Levein didn't want him 😂

[Guest ToqueJambo]

52 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Of course they are. They live for a Levein debate.

 

Not one of the "Levein lovers" actually care enough to start threads on him though. Funny that.

Edited June 2, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[fila]

1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Of course they are. They live for a Levein debate.

 

No debating required 

[Bazzas right boot]

6 hours ago, Last Laff said:

Neilson won the Championship as manager mate.   there you go with the blind rage shit when there’s nothing else.

 

In fact, Neilson won more with us than Levein his whole career.  I’m surprised Craig didn’t do a John Terry looking back mind. 

 

Aye, and as dof CL won the championship. 

 

Aye, it's hilarious how many of  our players of the 80 's and 90's won nothing and how celtic beat us in last year's final, hilarious stuff. 

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

4 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Of course they are. They live for a Levein debate.

 

Nah, don't think a CL lover has ever started a thread on him. 

 

 

[7628mm]

.I find it very interesting that now CL has left the building JKB seems to have regressed by about 3 years in relation to our ex DoF and Manager.

Both sides of the "debate" seem unable to let it go and move on.

We do have some very pressing matters to be looking at just now which warrant more attention than a chapter that has ended. 

 

JKB at its finest well done us

[Coco]

Will be interesting to see how quickly everything Levein was involved in at the club will be taken apart.  Obviously some of his disasters like Daly, MacPhee and useless players like Maclean are going.  But there is going to be a lot of work to do.

 

Would expect any involvement of AM Sports in Global ambassadorships, links to children's football clubs in the US etc to be ended quickly.  Roger Arnott of the £4m spend yet never bringing through a first choice first team player should find his position under a lot of scrutiny.  The coaching and scouting staff will need to be replaced.

 

The big thing is culture.  Levein was allowed to run the entire football side of the club and despite how badly and contrary to stated objectives he was doing the Board never reined him in and indeed facilitated him.  Never again should the Board be so supine towards a character like Levein.  

[Vlad Magic]

10 minutes ago, 7628mm said:

.I find it very interesting that now CL has left the building JKB seems to have regressed by about 3 years in relation to our ex DoF and Manager.

Both sides of the "debate" seem unable to let it go and move on.

We do have some very pressing matters to be looking at just now which warrant more attention than a chapter that has ended. 

 

JKB at its finest well done us

Exactly which is why the thread should be closed and we look forwards rather than backwards.

[John mcCartney]

One thing re Lescream is certain ,hes a completely divisive character ,
and that is no good for any self respecting football club.
Supporting such a person means they are no supporter of the club in the long run.
Its a perversion truth be told and Im glad Ive never stood or sat alongside those punters at Tynecastle or away.


 

[The Real Maroonblood]

10 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said:

Exactly which is why the thread should be closed and we look forwards rather than backwards.

No need to stifle free speech and close a thread as long as it’s civil.

[Thomaso]

32 minutes ago, John mcCartney said:

One thing re Lescream is certain ,hes a completely divisive character ,
and that is no good for any self respecting football club.
Supporting such a person means they are no supporter of the club in the long run.
Its a perversion truth be told and Im glad Ive never stood or sat alongside those punters at Tynecastle or away.


 

They support the man rather than the Club!

[Thomaso]

40 minutes ago, Coco said:

Will be interesting to see how quickly everything Levein was involved in at the club will be taken apart.  Obviously some of his disasters like Daly, MacPhee and useless players like Maclean are going.  But there is going to be a lot of work to do.

 

Would expect any involvement of AM Sports in Global ambassadorships, links to children's football clubs in the US etc to be ended quickly.  Roger Arnott of the £4m spend yet never bringing through a first choice first team player should find his position under a lot of scrutiny.  The coaching and scouting staff will need to be replaced.

 

The big thing is culture.  Levein was allowed to run the entire football side of the club and despite how badly and contrary to stated objectives he was doing the Board never reined him in and indeed facilitated him.  Never again should the Board be so supine towards a character like Levein.  

Spot on Coco. 👍

[Beast Boy]

43 minutes ago, Coco said:

Will be interesting to see how quickly everything Levein was involved in at the club will be taken apart.  Obviously some of his disasters like Daly, MacPhee and useless players like Maclean are going.  But there is going to be a lot of work to do.

 

Would expect any involvement of AM Sports in Global ambassadorships, links to children's football clubs in the US etc to be ended quickly.  Roger Arnott of the £4m spend yet never bringing through a first choice first team player should find his position under a lot of scrutiny.  The coaching and scouting staff will need to be replaced.

 

The big thing is culture.  Levein was allowed to run the entire football side of the club and despite how badly and contrary to stated objectives he was doing the Board never reined him in and indeed facilitated him.  Never again should the Board be so supine towards a character like Levein.  

Did you or a friend or family member have a kid turned down or not kept on by Hearts at some point?

[jambocall51]

12 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

When you say he failed badly, then there is a need for reflection on the facts, if not debate. 

 

Dof

1st season - championship, promotion. 

2nd- 3rd

3rd robbie/Cathro - 5th

Manager 

4th Cathro started, sacked after lc group stage - 6th the league - CL. 

5th- 6th lc sf, sc final. 

6th- 11th, lc sf  sacked as manager after 11 games. 

 

Is that worse over the piece than any other sacked manager? 

 

 

If your talking about facts look at the last 18 months when he was manager. We only got top 6 because of the first 11 games of the season. We technically would have finished 8th had there been no split. The players that he bought in the transfer market where unbelievably shite the majority of the time. 

[wavydavy]

39 minutes ago, Coco said:

Will be interesting to see how quickly everything Levein was involved in at the club will be taken apart.  Obviously some of his disasters like Daly, MacPhee and useless players like Maclean are going.  But there is going to be a lot of work to do.

 

Would expect any involvement of AM Sports in Global ambassadorships, links to children's football clubs in the US etc to be ended quickly.  Roger Arnott of the £4m spend yet never bringing through a first choice first team player should find his position under a lot of scrutiny.  The coaching and scouting staff will need to be replaced.

 

The big thing is culture.  Levein was allowed to run the entire football side of the club and despite how badly and contrary to stated objectives he was doing the Board never reined him in and indeed facilitated him.  Never again should the Board be so supine towards a character like Levein.  

 

AB is still the main player and more or less controls the board having put the majority of them on it in the first place. As I understand it the board has two FOH members who were appointed bybthe fans. Not the case with others who will support AB.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that scenario so long as she is making the correct decisions.

 

She can still be influenced by CL even although he is no longer at the club she can seek his advice by phone or in person although I would sincerely hope that she doesn't do this and starts afresh wiping clean his legacy.

 

If DS does not come back as our Coach I would not want to think that CL could in anyway influence AB's choice of our next head coach.

 

I mentioned previously that we should dispense with the services of certain agents due to their connections with CL and I really hope we do this to truly wipevthe slate clean.

[Beni]

1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Nah, don't think a CL lover has ever started a thread on him. 

 

 

Here's one started on the day he was sacked (in October 😉)

 

[Bazzas right boot]

18 minutes ago, jambocall51 said:

If your talking about facts look at the last 18 months when he was manager. We only got top 6 because of the first 11 games of the season. We technically would have finished 8th had there been no split. The players that he bought in the transfer market where unbelievably shite the majority of the time. 

 

Ah, so if you discount the first 11 games and split the season over 2 seasons and discount the mechanics of the league split you get something that you want as opposed to actual league finishes. 

 

Cool story. 

 

 

 

[Des Lynam]

20 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Did you or a friend or family member have a kid turned down or not kept on by Hearts at some point?

[Beast Boy]

1 minute ago, Des Lynam said:

[Bazzas right boot]

5 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

Here's one started on the day he was sacked (in October 😉)

 

 

 

We finished 6th in his only full season. 

He was sacked with us as manager second bottom of the league. 

 

That stat is useless as Hamilton have been in the bottom 6 in CL's first season and full season so the comparison isn't the same. 

 

The only stat that matters, the only one is that we finished 6th in his first full season. 

 

He was then sacked with us 11th, which is important as several posters say he left us bottom or the worst team in the league, he never. 

 

There is no doubt our form was shit and he was deservedly sacked. 

No one is argueing that, not one person. 

Most agree now that after the final Was a good time to leave 

 

The need to make him look worse than he was and trying to make him look like some sort of  super villain focused on our destruction is as startling as it is Tragic. 

 

The no trophies and shagging Ann banter by some Hearts fans is just the cherry on the shite cake. 

 

 

 

 

 

[i8hibsh]

Ok, so the cynic in me is telling me his involvement with the club will not be zero.  Budge is so ****ing clueless when it comes to the football side of things and is so disconnected to what an average football fan is I still feel he will be wiping her arse and bottle feeding her.  This then leads me to believe his long haired gormless protégé will also still be involved as he moulds the useless prick into his future self.

 

 

[Des Lynam]

1 hour ago, Coco said:

Will be interesting to see how quickly everything Levein was involved in at the club will be taken apart.  Obviously some of his disasters like Daly, MacPhee and useless players like Maclean are going.  But there is going to be a lot of work to do.

 

Would expect any involvement of AM Sports in Global ambassadorships, links to children's football clubs in the US etc to be ended quickly.  Roger Arnott of the £4m spend yet never bringing through a first choice first team player should find his position under a lot of scrutiny.  The coaching and scouting staff will need to be replaced.

 

The big thing is culture.  Levein was allowed to run the entire football side of the club and despite how badly and contrary to stated objectives he was doing the Board never reined him in and indeed facilitated him.  Never again should the Board be so supine towards a character like Levein.  

This is the biggest problem for me.  When rebuilding we missed the opportunity to put a proper culture in place. We lost sight of that. The Cathro experiment seem to derail everything. 

[Bazzas right boot]

37 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

They support the man rather than the Club!

 

 

Nah, I'll be supporting Hearts next season and Likley on here defending managers and players while others are ripping them for arse paper. 

 

I'll be supporting them if they represent Hearts, try it. 👍

[Bazzas right boot]

1 minute ago, Des Lynam said:

This is the biggest problem for me.  When rebuilding we missed the opportunity to put a proper culture in place. We lost sight of that. The Cathro experiment seem to derail everything. 

 

 

Truth in that. 

 

The reset button will be getting hit now. 

We need to get it right this time. 

[Whatever]

No interest in talking about Craig Levein, yesterday’s man and my focus is elsewhere right now,  but it’s been hugely entertaining seeing @Smith's right boot’s arse being handed to him on a plate.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Whatever said:

No interest in talking about Craig Levein, yesterday’s man and my focus is elsewhere right now,  but it’s been hugely entertaining seeing @Smith's right boot’s arse being handed to him on a plate.

[Beni]

10 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

We finished 6th in his only full season. 

He was sacked with us as manager second bottom of the league. 

 

That stat is useless as Hamilton have been in the bottom 6 in CL's first season and full season so the comparison isn't the same. 

 

The only stat that matters, the only one is that we finished 6th in his first full season. 

 

He was then sacked with us 11th, which is important as several posters say he left us bottom or the worst team in the league, he never. 

 

There is no doubt our form was shit and he was deservedly sacked. 

No one is argueing that, not one person. 

Most agree now that after the final Was a good time to leave 

 

The need to make him look worse than he was and trying to make him look like some sort of  super villain focused on our destruction is as startling as it is Tragic. 

 

The no trophies and shagging Ann banter by some Hearts fans is just the cherry on the shite cake. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I replied to you to point out that a Levein fan had started a thread praising him. What's this angry stream of consciousness got to do with it?

[Bazzas right boot]

6 minutes ago, fancy a brew said:

 

I replied to you to point out that a Levein fan had started a thread praising him. What's this angry stream of consciousness got to do with it?

 

 

The link never worked, just seen the less points than Hamilton pish plastered across CL's photo? 

 

Praising him is a bit too much! 😉

 

 

Edited June 2, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[Debut 4]

4 consecutive seasons of finishing 5th or worse should be enough to tell people there was a deep rooted rot, a problem, with Hearts footballing department. 
 

One of the worst league runs since the 70s.  
 

Football’s simple and we can argue all day. A problem can be people at the top not knowing it’s simple!  If you are continually poor, hardly scoring goals, hardly winning, not matching results with status or the financial input, you cut the throat. 
 

It’s happened right throughout the history of Hearts and any other football club. Not seeing something bad on the horizon is the biggest fault of an owner, not recognising the incompetence of their employees.  

[Paisley Jambo]

On 14/05/2020 at 13:12, Boab Mugabe said:

Undeniably good news, I’ll happily buy my season ticket on June 1st.

Levein has damaged this club much worse than any other individual that I can think of. Must not be welcomed back, which is a shame given he was a terrific player. 

 

Spot on!

[Jingle Bells]

1 hour ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

They support the man rather than the Club!

 

Agree,  hopefully CL forms his own Football Club and they can toddle off to support  it.

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Jingle Bells said:

 

Agree,  hopefully CL forms his own Football Club and they can toddle off to support  it.

They probably would.

[busby1985]

Wonder if and when we will get a “my Hearts hell” story from Austin. 

[The Fonz]

1 hour ago, Coco said:

The big thing is culture.  Levein was allowed to run the entire football side of the club and despite how badly and contrary to stated objectives he was doing the Board never reined him in and indeed facilitated him.  Never again should the Board be so supine towards a character like Levein.  

 

Absolutely. This is why the "oh but we finished 6th last season" argument doesn't wash*

The culture created is truly toxic and you could tell Stendel was appalled at what he walked into on day one.

 

I said this on a previous thread, but this is not a case of a manager that didn't work out. If it was then the level of vitriol directed at Levein wouldn't be nearly as severe. The guy had complete authority over all football operations, a budget that most managers in Scotland would kill for and he managed to turn it into a pile of shite. A deliberate sabotage would not have struggled to create a bigger mess.

 

 

 

[Jingle Bells]

3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

They probably would.

 

Lols

[Ex member of the SaS]

Praising Levein for 6th place finishing is ignoring the fact Ann and the club had targeted 4th or above. Praising winning the Championship as DoF is also a farce as it was Robbie that picked the team and tactics.

No matter what the Levein love boys say he was a disaster from day one with small victories along the way.

The way he handled dumping the Championship squad was a red flag that most missed at the time.

[Bazzas right boot]

15 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Praising Levein for 6th place finishing is ignoring the fact Ann and the club had targeted 4th or above. Praising winning the Championship as DoF is also a farce as it was Robbie that picked the team and tactics.

No matter what the Levein love boys say he was a disaster from day one with small victories along the way.

The way he handled dumping the Championship squad was a red flag that most missed at the time.

 

 

No one has praised the 6th place finish on this thread, have they? 

Has any one praised him for winning the championship as dof? 

Not seen that. 

 

From day 1..., so in his first full season in charge and being top after 10 games you weren't happy? 

 

Small victories, that include the biggest win over celtic in  over 100 years? 

 

The hatred for CL is so strong in some, that pointing out a simple fact, like a 6th place finish is twisted Into something it isn't ( in your case- praise) and any credit for decent results are ignored. 

 

The fact is that he was sacked as manager for being poor, like many before him and Likley many going forward. 

 

His only full season was a 6th place finish, lc sf and sc final. 

Not great, but not the horror story some like to make out. 

 

 

[JamboAl]

2 hours ago, Coco said:

The big thing is culture.  Levein was allowed to run the entire football side of the club and despite how badly and contrary to stated objectives he was doing the Board never reined him in and indeed facilitated him.  Never again should the Board be so supine towards a character like Levein.  

We went into admin.  We were not an attractive vehicle to buy.  We were down on our knees, almost done for, when along came this kind lady and put her money where her mouth was.  She knew little or nothing, on her own admission, about football and so hired someone she thought could do what she didn't have the (football) knowledge to do.  CL (acting in her stead) performed that task well initially as we got back on our feet and back inti the top rung.

 

It is easy to look back and say she should have done this at that point and something else at another point.  That is rampant hindsight with absolutely no certainty that the alternative(s) would have worked either.  It's just the arrogance, ignorance and sense of entitlement that makes think people think the alternative(s) would have worked.

 

With hindsight she may regret having taken this on in the first place because of the ingratititude but nevertheless

(a) what would you have done in her position?

(b) if James Anderson were able to buy the club tomorrow and cannot devote the time to HMFC, what should he do to run the club (with names) in a way that will guarantee success?

 

Edited June 2, 2020 by JamboAl

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

2 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

We went into admin.  We were not an attractive vehicle to buy.  We were down on our knees, almost done for, when along came this kind lady and put her money where her mouth was.  She knew little or nothing, on her own admission, about football and so hired someone she thought could do what she didn't have the (football) knowledge to do.  CL (acting in her stead) performed that task well initially as we got back on our feet and back inti the top rung.

 

It is easy to look back and say she should have done this at that point and something else at another point.  That is rampant hindsight with absolutely no certainty that the alternative(s) would have worked either.  It's just the arrogance, ignorance and sense of entitlement that makes think people think the alternative(s) would have worked.

 

With hindsight she may regret having taken this on the first place because of the ingratititude but nevertheless

(a) what would you have done in her position?

(b) if James Anderson were able to buy the club tomorrow and cannot devote the time to HMFC, what should he do to run the club (with names) in a way that will guarantee success?

 

Question B is obtuse. The issue isn’t the appointment of Levein in the first place. It was Ann’s prerogative to appoint who she wants. The issue is her inability or refusal to accept early enough that it was going wrong under him and us paying the price as a result. That’s the problem.

 

As a name from thin air, is David Moss available?

[JamboAl]

9 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Question B is obtuse. The issue isn’t the appointment of Levein in the first place. It was Ann’s prerogative to appoint who she wants. The issue is her inability or refusal to accept early enough that it was going wrong under him and us paying the price as a result. That’s the problem.

 

As a name from thin air, is David Moss available?

Hindsight.  We're all brilliant with that.  Man U supporters would have had Fergie hung, drawn and quartered at one point.  Do you think any replacement would have done better than him?  A tall order, methinks!

Question (b) is as obtuse as most of your posts but significantly more relevant.  It gives us the benefit of Coco's foresight and indeed may even help AB/FoH as to how the club should be run "properly" from here on in.

PS I don't know if David Moss would have helped but if his brothers came as well that might suit us.

Edited June 2, 2020 by JamboAl

[Ex member of the SaS]

21 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

No one has praised the 6th place finish on this thread, have they? 

Has any one praised him for winning the championship as dof? 

Not seen that. 

 

From day 1..., so in his first full season in charge and being top after 10 games you weren't happy? 

 

Small victories, that include the biggest win over celtic in  over 100 years? 

 

The hatred for CL is so strong in some, that pointing out a simple fact, like a 6th place finish is twisted Into something it isn't ( in your case- praise) and any credit for decent results are ignored. 

 

The fact is that he was sacked as manager for being poor, like many before him and Likley many going forward. 

 

His only full season was a 6th place finish, lc sf and sc final. 

Not great, but not the horror story some like to make out. 

 

 

Yes they have and I think it was you. About 14 hours ago. ( sorry if I have that wrong )

[Jingle Bells]

38 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Praising Levein for 6th place finishing is ignoring the fact Ann and the club had targeted 4th or above. Praising winning the Championship as DoF is also a farce as it was Robbie that picked the team and tactics.

No matter what the Levein love boys say he was a disaster from day one with small victories along the way.

The way he handled dumping the Championship squad was a red flag that most missed at the time.

 

Think Budge lowered his targets to a top 6 finish, to protect him. as he wasn't meeting his original targets, rather than just  booting him.

 

That and giving out player  contracts with a high basic salary and minimal win bonus has been fatal for the season just gone.

[Randy Marsh]

40 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

No one has praised the 6th place finish on this thread, have they? 

Has any one praised him for winning the championship as dof? 

Not seen that. 

 

From day 1..., so in his first full season in charge and being top after 10 games you weren't happy? 

 

Small victories, that include the biggest win over celtic in  over 100 years? 

 

The hatred for CL is so strong in some, that pointing out a simple fact, like a 6th place finish is twisted Into something it isn't ( in your case- praise) and any credit for decent results are ignored. 

 

The fact is that he was sacked as manager for being poor, like many before him and Likley many going forward. 

 

His only full season was a 6th place finish, lc sf and sc final. 

Not great, but not the horror story some like to make out. 

 

 

Let's be honest.  It was really 2 full seasons (league anyway).  Levein waited a good month before appointing himself.  This was after realising no manager with any sort of pedigree would work under him. 

[JamboAl]

17 minutes ago, Jingle Bells said:

 

Think Budge lowered his targets to a top 6 finish, to protect him. as he wasn't meeting his original targets, rather than just  booting him.

 

That and giving out player  contracts with a high basic salary and minimal win bonus has been fatal for the season just gone.

You've never been in management, then?  Targets are changed often in companies to reflect changing circumstances which are sometimes outside our contract and today almost every club will be reviewing theit targets, financially at least, to cope with Covid.

How do you know it was CL who gave them these contracts?  He would have a part to play as would AB and our Financial Director but I would seriously doubt he was anywhere near autonomous.  As regards the high basic I would guess that was AB who appears to put a high on good worker relations.

[JamboAl]

3 minutes ago, Randy Marsh said:

Let's be honest.  It was really 2 full seasons (league anyway).  Levein waited a good month before appointing himself.  This was after realising no manager with any sort of pedigree would work under him. 

The same old tripe over and over and over again.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

26 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Hindsight.  We're all brilliant with that.  Man U supporters would have had Fergie hung, drawn and quartered at one point.  Do you think any replacement would have done better than him?  A tall order, methinks!

Question (b) is as obtuse as most of your posts but significantly more relevant.  It gives us the benefit of Coco's foresight and indeed may even help AB/FoH as to how the club should be run "properly" from here on in.

PS I don't know if David Moss would have helped but if his brothers came as well that might suit us.

It’s not hindsight. There was a thread on here in February of last year - literally 10 months before Levein was sacked - pointing out that it was going to shit. You couldn’t see it because you’re evidently clueless but most of the rest of us could.

 

That’s not a criticism of Levein’s original appointment btw. That would be a case of being clever with hindsight.

 

Out of interest, who would you suggest for the role (without running to google)?

[jambocall51]

2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

1 hour ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Praising Levein for 6th place finishing is ignoring the fact Ann and the club had targeted 4th or above. Praising winning the Championship as DoF is also a farce as it was Robbie that picked the team and tactics.

No matter what the Levein love boys say he was a disaster from day one with small victories along the way.

The way he handled dumping the Championship squad was a red flag that most missed at the time.

Nail on the head mate!! Consecutive 6th place finishes aren’t good enough for the club. Considering the start of the season we had we should’ve finished top 3 at least. The championship has nothing to do with Levein it was neilson that achieved it. I don’t get why someone would dismantle a squad that was Doing well.