Jambo66 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Spellczech said: I don't think they have the scope to make decisions on this basis... If the decision was compensation of £10m, I imagine the SPFL would very quickly seek to reinstate us instead. £10m is a massive hole in the budget when there is no guarantee of this season being completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Rick Sanchez said: It could potentially be two years in the championship if a second wave comes. It could potentially be no football for a year or more if a second wave comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldy Jambo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Rattatooi said: There is an awful lot of optimism on this thread right now. It scares me..!! I think there’s a lot to be optimistic about. We potentially could stay up but if not with Robbie and JJ back and the squad we have we can get behind the team, make Tynie a fortress again where they are all sh@tting themselves to come to and win the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: An utter shitshow with no-one having any real clue as to what is going on, Spot on .excepting me of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Hairdryer said: If the vote goes in favour of hearts and Partick thistle then the only sensible outcome would have to be reconstruction .To demote Dundee United is a bit harsh Without being harsh it’s no our problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, busby1985 said: This lasting until the week of the season opening is exactly what the SPFL want. If we are to win then it makes it almost impossible for the league to start and all the anger will be directed at us and not the SPFL. They’ll say it is impossible to reinstate us due to broadcast commitments. Then it costs them cash minimum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gilbert Wauchope Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, DETTY29 said: ... half a dozen teams miss out on their additional OF home game and Kilmarnock and St. Johnstone the opportunity to give up virtually their whole stadiums to their (the OF) fans. You say that like as if it's a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, stevie1874 said: Without being harsh it’s no our problem I could care less what happens to Dundee Utd, they voted to expel us and against reconstruction, twice, hope their boring lawyer bankrupts them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 48 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Hmmm.... double negative. So you're saying that somebody knows something ? Only when dangling from a window! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 56 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: To all those saying compensation. Please , please, please understand this very simple fact, as I put on my previous post on this thread... The law, whether via the CoS or an Arbitration panel, will by its very nature, right a wrong BEFORE that wrong has actually OCCURRED!!! Only if an action has occurred do the courts go to a punative/damages/compensation stage. The league has not kicked off yet and so the actual wrong (ie the Dundee vote being declared a valid and countable voter at the time), if the panel so decides this is the case, has not yet occurred or is yet irredeemable and it is therefore not impossible for them to order reinstatement up to kick off on Saturday 1st August. They will not give 1 chocolate dick covered in sprinkles that to reinstate us, PT and Stranraer will cause the SPFL significant difficulties and may actually open the door to further litigation from the currently promoted clubs. I repeat....they will not ****ing care!!! They are making a decision based in and on case law not the practicalities or difficulties that their ruling may cause. It is then up to the SPFL to work out what to do. Very very good post, and correct. It is not the APs job to make it work but it is their job yo declare it wrong. Subsequently making it work is down to the overpaid, underskilled, clueless corrupt cheating ringpieces that started of the whole shitfest which we currently find ourselves in. This could be fun to watch, if it didn't effect us so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Going back to testing for Covid by teams. £2000. A week (at least) is going to be prohibitive for a lot of clubs. That’s despite the input from Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: Then it costs them cash minimum! And ND his job, i hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 minute ago, TypoonJambo said: And ND his job, i hope. 1 minute ago, TypoonJambo said: And ND his job, i hope. What job? You mean his money and pension! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: That's not what I was getting at, Sir G. It was the practicality of spending the 5-6 weeks getting ou players up to a level of being able to compete in a league which will already have started ...... even if the SPFL allowed us to delay our fixtures for 5-6 weeks to do that, we'd be playing our 38 games over a much shorter time than everyone else. Re-instatement sounds good.... but it's likely to take its toll on our team. I think we will cope fine. Better of the choices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, adam1998 said: Personally I’d love us to stay up however if they didn’t delay the start we’ll suffer massively injury wise as the team will be at various fitness levels. It’s a hard choice to be honest. it would stun Scottish football to the core if we stay up as only Hearts fans think it can happen, compensation will hurt them massively. i just want us to get the moral victory to prove all those wrong, they talk about Sporting Integrity where we’ve seen 9 pts turned round at the top in Spain and bottom 5 saved in England etc.... whatever happens bad blood will be around for a long time to come They will have 6 weeks to get ready. We need to be positive and find solutions not difficulties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharmaceutical01 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Part of me hoping that the SPFL think that Sunday morning is the best time to drop “bad” news...🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam1998 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: They will have 6 weeks to get ready. We need to be positive and find solutions not difficulties Fingers crossed we’re nearly at the finishing line - this could be a monumental week for us and Scottish Football 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Heartsofgold said: To all those saying compensation. Please , please, please understand this very simple fact, as I put on my previous post on this thread... The law, whether via the CoS or an Arbitration panel, will by its very nature, right a wrong BEFORE that wrong has actually OCCURRED!!! Only if an action has occurred do the courts go to a punative/damages/compensation stage. The league has not kicked off yet and so the actual wrong (ie the Dundee vote being declared a valid and countable voter at the time), if the panel so decides this is the case, has not yet occurred or is yet irredeemable and it is therefore not impossible for them to order reinstatement up to kick off on Saturday 1st August. They will not give 1 chocolate dick covered in sprinkles that to reinstate us, PT and Stranraer will cause the SPFL significant difficulties and may actually open the door to further litigation from the currently promoted clubs. I repeat....they will not ****ing care!!! They are making a decision based in and on case law not the practicalities or difficulties that their ruling may cause. It is then up to the SPFL to work out what to do. Good point, I’m still hopeful we can win this. Edited July 25, 2020 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, eyesandears said: These guys on BBC are absolutely clueless. They are asking questions of each other not none of them know the answers to. It's purile rubbish. I actually think they now need to bin this show completely. Those that know they are selling their soul for a job (MSM) can very quickly forget all about that when surrounded by others that have sold their soul for the job. They can also turn themselves into stupid people when doing their job so as not to say the wrong thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: Hmmm.... double negative. So you're saying that somebody knows something ? “I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Somebody knows something but they are not telling anybody that knows nothing anything. Somebody may know something about something but nobody knows nothing about nothing in truth anyone could know about anything but really everyone needs to be patient to find out everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, gator said: I could care less what happens to Dundee Utd, they voted to expel us and against reconstruction, twice, hope their boring lawyer bankrupts them! Couldn't* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R08813 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Somebody may know something about something but nobody knows nothing about nothing in truth anyone could know about anything but really everyone needs to be patient to find out everything Is that a verbatim copy of the statement the SPFL have been writing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just now, R08813 said: Is that a verbatim copy of the statement the SPFL have been writing? Maybe, possibly, but possibly not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: What job? You mean his money and pension! Thats the real shitholeringpiecegripper, whatever happens he'll walk away pissin himself laughing with a monstrous pension. We need a photo of him strapped across an aerdiel terrier, pdq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said: Couldn't* Thank you! Apparently Could care less is the American version which I am not! Edited July 25, 2020 by gator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Heartsofgold said: To all those saying compensation. Please , please, please understand this very simple fact, as I put on my previous post on this thread... The law, whether via the CoS or an Arbitration panel, will by its very nature, right a wrong BEFORE that wrong has actually OCCURRED!!! Only if an action has occurred do the courts go to a punative/damages/compensation stage. The league has not kicked off yet and so the actual wrong (ie the Dundee vote being declared a valid and countable voter at the time), if the panel so decides this is the case, has not yet occurred or is yet irredeemable and it is therefore not impossible for them to order reinstatement up to kick off on Saturday 1st August. They will not give 1 chocolate dick covered in sprinkles that to reinstate us, PT and Stranraer will cause the SPFL significant difficulties and may actually open the door to further litigation from the currently promoted clubs. I repeat....they will not ****ing care!!! They are making a decision based in and on case law not the practicalities or difficulties that their ruling may cause. It is then up to the SPFL to work out what to do. Another post that should be posted at the top of every page on this thread so as the Hearts supporters that are not all over this on here do not get led down the garden path by the umpteen interlopers that are all over this thread. Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodoug Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I may have asked this before - but what happens if we were to win the Scottish Cup - how do we take our rightful place in Europe, or have the European places already been handed out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ski Nae said: Very true. I found them irritating when there was football. Now, they are intolerable. Tom English, Michael Stewart, and Tam Cowan (the Motherwell guy from Off the Ball) I have got respect for. Neil McCann as well. Richard "Dick" Gordon? As suggested by someone, if he gets nailed to a wall, I'll take the family to throw the contents of our food bin at him. I'd have to agree with the names you've picked out. I might not always agree with what they say, but I do believe they speak their mind and do not simply toe the party line, and for that they deserve some respect. I'd even add Chris Sutton to that list, I might not agree with a lot he has to say, but at least he speaks his mind, and he likes to wind up that fud Craigan, which can't be a bad thing. Edited July 25, 2020 by RobNox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, jackal said: Sportsound keep rolling out how busy the fixture list is already so things cant/wont be changed, sorry but thats not our problem. Are they that stupid. No. They are keeping their jobs. You can't get much lower that to take money for lying to the people. Scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, jambodoug said: I may have asked this before - but what happens if we were to win the Scottish Cup - how do we take our rightful place in Europe, or have the European places already been handed out? Motherwll and Aberdeen have been given them for being awarded 3rd and 4th place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, jambodoug said: I may have asked this before - but what happens if we were to win the Scottish Cup - how do we take our rightful place in Europe, or have the European places already been handed out? Is it possible that a player could win 2 medals in the final for 2 different clubs, maybe e.g. a winners and a losers, thinking specifically Jonny Hayes but there may be others? Qualifying already handed out, competition should have started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Somebody may know something about something but nobody knows nothing about nothing in truth anyone could know about anything but really everyone needs to be patient to find out everything Well if that somebody really felt that the boy who walks his dug along Gorgie road had ITK info then surely that would be enough to ignore the wife of the man in Aldi who worked in Greggs once. The truth is out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 50 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: They will have 6 weeks to get ready. We need to be positive and find solutions not difficulties We get injured opening a car door anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said: Couldn't* Common North American contradiction. “Nuculer” is a mispronunciation that bugs me anaw. 😡 (I’m easily bugged) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedupfan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, mitch41 said: I have no inside knowledge but I have to believe we’ll be ok. We are in the right and if the arbitrators can’t see that we’ll just go back to the court of session and take the SPFL, SFA and the Arbitration Panel for misuse of power and being criminally corrupt in their judgements. And we will win I have plenty of experience in SFA appeals & court cases and in my opinion our opponent’s haven’t a leg to stand on. The arbitration panels decision is final, the only way this case can go back to court is if there has been a legal irregularity or the panel has not followed the law of the land. This will be finished with after the panel gives its verdict, there are no appeals or going to court again. The three person panel is made up of judges and lawyers with at least 10 years experience, the chances of them not knowing legal procedure is almost zero, if they had an issue with some part of company law or Scottish law then they would not be on the list of candidates for the arbitration panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Taffin said: It may be the most practical but it's certainly not what I want. I want us reinstated, I'm sick of football finances, I don't give a stuff about them. I want to see Hearts back where they belong competing for the European places in the top league. Anyone who wants compensation rather than that needs to reassess why they follow football imo. I agree with you Taffin, my preference has always been to see us reinstated and I always viewed the compensation option as just a way of trying to soften the blow if for some reason we won our case but weren't reinstated. However, I'm now coming around to the idea that relegation plus a good level of compensation might not be such a bad thing if it comes to that, though I would still prefer to be reinstated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, mitch41 said: Who runs Scottish Football Sky or Scottish Football. Septic guy Lawell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fedupfan said: The arbitration panels decision is final, the only way this case can go back to court is if there has been a legal irregularity or the panel has not followed the law of the land. This will be finished with after the panel gives its verdict, there are no appeals or going to court again. The three person panel is made up of judges and lawyers with at least 10 years experience, the chances of them not knowing legal procedure is almost zero, if they had an issue with some part of company law or Scottish law then they would not be on the list of candidates for the arbitration panel. The chairman has at least 10 years legal experience. The other 2 might have that or might have no legal experience. This point has been done to death on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: The first one is not masive because of the fixtures, it's a non issue. The big issue with reinstatement is Utd, cove and raith reactions. Redoing the fixtures is nothing but a admin task, folk need to stop going on about this like it's a massive task. Also, surely if we are reinstated, there will be some money due to the calpol 3 as they were told they would be in a higher division by the spfl, no where near £10m but the spfl will surely be liable to them for some costs. What a ****ing mess. Correct, and the SPFL employs one of the highest paid administrators in the Universe, maybe even the Multiverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Jambo61 said: Yet England play 38 league games, finishing their previous season, have more rounds of cup games and longer in Europe, extra internationals and a later new league start date and still have dry pants! Sorry Jambo, you've made a schoolboy error there. You are trying to compare a professionally run football league with the omnishambles that presides over the game in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Fedupfan said: The arbitration panels decision is final, the only way this case can go back to court is if there has been a legal irregularity or the panel has not followed the law of the land. This will be finished with after the panel gives its verdict, there are no appeals or going to court again. The three person panel is made up of judges and lawyers with at least 10 years experience, the chances of them not knowing legal procedure is almost zero, if they had an issue with some part of company law or Scottish law then they would not be on the list of candidates for the arbitration panel. But is it over if Dundee United are placed in the Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 hours ago, JKBMod 3 said: If you want to discuss the pandemic in general then do it in the shed please. 👏👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, JKBMod 3 said: If you want to discuss the pandemic in general then do it in the shed please. 👏👍🏼 Edited July 25, 2020 by Jumper Duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdriejambo3 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: Is it possible that a player could win 2 medals in the final for 2 different clubs, maybe e.g. a winners and a losers, thinking specifically Jonny Hayes but there may be others? Qualifying already handed out, competition should have started. Aberdeen play celtic in the semi so Hayes couldnt win 2 medals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggieb Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 It’s a sign from the gods 7.00 Doncaster tonight wild hope 18/1 wins Fav hibernian warrior nowhere 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. 👎🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, mitch41 said: Who runs Scottish Football Sky or Scottish Football. P. Lawell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: But is it over if Dundee United are placed in the Championship? As far as the football season is concerned - yes. They may decide to sue for compensation, but they have no legal case whatsoever to demand promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, jonnothejambo said: If we are reinstated then there is no way we will be able to play for weeks, given we have had no pre-season due to our current situation, not to mention furloughing etc. How will that work ? Interdict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrywragg Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: If you harbour reservations about it, it looks as if you could still manage to squeeze yourself doon the sides. with a well nourished Maryhill diet & a BMI of 29 point something, trust me I wouldn't fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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