Scottish Football officially suspended

[connlach]

1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

It will be interesting to see what the Irish League does. The players there are part-timers, mostly, so they aren't together in changing rooms every day. An amateur player on Saturday played a game in Norn Iron and then tested positive for the virus, which is an example of the range of effects it can have on people.

 

You would think they would need to cancel games if players are unavailable and self isolating

[Mikey1874]

24 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

What happens when the players start to get it?

 

No more games 

[1971fozzy]

25 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

What happens when the players start to get it?

game over.  100%. 
for that club anyway. 

[jr ewing]

2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

No more games 

Exactly 

[connlach]

Just further info on the German ice hockey league. The playoffs were due to start so this is why they cancelled now. There will be no winner this season and the teams in the top spots in the league will represent them in the champions league 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 minute ago, 1971fozzy said:

game over.  100%. 
for that club anyway. 

Why? Let's say one tests positive, their fixtures get postponed for two weeks and everyone is clear. Why can't they play?

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

China started end of December and its settling down. 2 to 3 months. 

 

The possible options include something like

 

1. April to June shutdown / close season

2. July to Aug complete season 

3. Another break in September 

4. New season starts October. 

 

More midweek games. Cut out League Cup groups, no Cup replays etc. 

Settling down but still on lockdown over 3 months later, assuming that happens here in April your talking July before it starts to settle down. I think it would all be a bit too much to squeeze in but who knows.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, annushorribilis III said:

For the vast majority of clubs it's not a major problem but for the elite clubs with the convoluted CL structure and long drawn out competition it's a potential headache, but that's their problem. 

 

National associations could streamline their own cup competitions - straight knockout, no replays,   which would free up slots. It might mean binning winter breaks. 

 For Europa league games - that could very easily be streamlined/ start later . 

There will be options I suppose but I wouldnt trust the SFA to look out for more than two clubs.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Sorry to hear that but hope as we might many of us will have to spend time there, or see close relatives doing so. And many for more than the average time you quote. My post was about age-related illness and disability not just dementia and from personal experience I know a close relative  who spent a decade in a care/nursing home who was never near the most long term inmate. Anyway I think we have drifted far enough off topic!

Sorry to hear that, horrible thing to happen to anyone.

 

[Pasquale for King]

52 minutes ago, gjcc said:

Then the rumours would start that it was Levein going around spreading it through the squad on purpose. 

Best to get rid of him just in case 👍🏽😜

[soonbe110]

11 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Why? Let's say one tests positive, their fixtures get postponed for two weeks and everyone is clear. Why can't they play?

Probably could but they won’t have trained for two weeks. Unlikely if a player tests positive that he will be the only one amongst the squad, coaching staff, back room staff etc. When/if  person 2 tests positive say 5-7 days into the 14 day cycle  does it start again? It’s a minimum 14 day transmission period but that’s  14 days since last contact with positive person. Given what’s happened in China and Italy it looks very much like if it gets to one person in a group of say 60/70 then there will be more than one of them testing positive. Very little info re the ‘normal’ recovery period experienced in China or Italy though a little early for Italy probably. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Probably could but they won’t have trained for two weeks. Unlikely if a player tests positive that he will be the only one amongst the squad, coaching staff, back room staff etc. When/if  person 2 tests positive say 5-7 days into the 14 day cycle  does it start again? It’s a minimum 14 day transmission period but that’s  14 days since last contact with positive person. Given what’s happened in China and Italy it looks very much like if it gets to one person in a group of say 60/70 then there will be more than one of them testing positive. Very little info re the ‘normal’ recovery period experienced in China or Italy though a little early for Italy probably. 

That's the thing though. There are all sorts of assumptions being made about how one person is infecting the other here. If, and it is a big if, that one person gets infected and his team-mates do not, then their games should continue albeit allowing for postponements while the checks occur. The number of times games have not been called off when flu goes through a dressing room, just as a comparator, is significant.

[kila]

 

 

[soonbe110]

19 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Settling down but still on lockdown over 3 months later, assuming that happens here in April your talking July before it starts to settle down. I think it would all be a bit too much to squeeze in but who knows.

Not still on lockdown. Closing/dismantling many of the temporary hospitals they built. Significant number of Schools re-opened yesterday. First confirmed case in China was 22 Jan so it’s looking like a two month period at most unless they get another flare-up. First confirmed case in Italy was 31 Jan but second and third confirmed cases were on 20 Feb so they are really only 19 days into it. Very severe impact there but age of population and condensed habitation areas are big factors. Fingers crossed we could be largely through it by mid-April. 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

10 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

That's the thing though. There are all sorts of assumptions being made about how one person is infecting the other here. If, and it is a big if, that one person gets infected and his team-mates do not, then their games should continue albeit allowing for postponements while the checks occur. The number of times games have not been called off when flu goes through a dressing room, just as a comparator, is significant.

 

The big difference which has been pointed out many times is that most players will be immunised against the flu, so hardly anyone will catch it. No-one is immunised against this, so most could catch it. Same goes for large gatherings.

Edited March 10, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

The big difference which has been pointed out many times is that most players will be immunised against the flu, so hardly anyone will catch it. No-one is immunised against this, so most could catch it. Same goes for large gatherings.

You really need to go and study flu immunisation a bit more. A flu vaccine will only help mitigate new strains, it won't stop you catching new strains. However, I accept your point that no one is immunised against this and there is obviously more exposure.

 

As for large gatherings, have you stopped going to games?

[Hearts007]

11 minutes ago, kila said:

 

 

Will that help or hinder sevco? depending on result of 1st game of course

[Guest ToqueJambo]

6 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

You really need to go and study flu immunisation a bit more. A flu vaccine will only help mitigate new strains, it won't stop you catching new strains. However, I accept your point that no one is immunised against this and there is obviously more exposure.

 

As for large gatherings, have you stopped going to games?

 

Fewer people get flu because there is a flu vaccine. I'm following whatever the latest advice is. I've also put back potential travel plans until later in the year, more to avoid being isolated for two weeks or some other travel upheaval, than through a fear of catching the virus itself while travelling. It's possible that you could fly to France, for example, and within a day the country could get locked down. So I'm cancelling non-essential travel for now. I'm not in the most at risk group, aside from being a bloke, so I don't have particular fears of getting the virus.

Edited March 10, 2020 by ToqueJambo

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

The fact is that fewer people get flu because there is a flu vaccine.

Obviously but it doesn't stop outbreaks of flu amongst sporting teams now. That was my point.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Obviously but it doesn't stop outbreaks of flu amongst sporting teams now. That was my point.

 

When was the last major flu outbreak in a sporting team?

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

3 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

When was the last major flu outbreak in a sporting team?

Didn't we have a game called off a couple of seasons ago because of it? Not us, but who we were facing (Inverness IIRC).

[Glottis]

Seems like the common sense thing to do would be behind closed doors for Scottish games from now.

 

All the teams have "tv" stations - remove the restrictions and beam every game live online.

 

[Jambo66]

16 minutes ago, Hearts007 said:

Will that help or hinder sevco? depending on result of 1st game of course

It will certainly help them avoid at least one fine from UEFA.

[1971fozzy]

1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Why? Let's say one tests positive, their fixtures get postponed for two weeks and everyone is clear. Why can't they play?

 Even assuming they have been training etc (remember it can be 5 days before symptoms show) then everyone they are in contact with (teammates, coaches etc presumably) are quarantined in their homes for 14 days minimum and tested. That wipes out a squad for 2 weeks anyway and then you have (best case a clear bill of health)  players unfit and at a Clear disadvantage . Prob 3-4 weeks before they can realistically get up to speed. That’s affecting clubs fixtures and also every team they are playing fixtures and timelines.

 

Edited March 10, 2020 by 1971fozzy

[Bazzas right boot]

2 hours ago, Barack said:

Definitely coming to tipping point. More and more pressure being heaped upon the FA & SFA, as more and more authorities react stronger.

 

Relegated by a virus. We'll laugh about it in pub quizzes years from now.

 

 

Rangers going bust because of one will also be one for the quizzes. 

 

Just win tommorow, be second bottom in case the shit hits the fan. 

[Bazzas right boot]

16 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

 Even assuming they have been training etc (remember it can be 5 days before symptoms show) then everyone they are in contact with (teammates, coaches etc presumably) are quarantined in their homes for 14 days minimum and tested. That wipes out a squad for 2 weeks anyway and then you have (best case a clear bill of health)  players unfit and at a Clear disadvantage . Prob 3-4 weeks before they can realistically get up to speed. That’s affecting clubs fixtures and also every team they are playing fixtures and timelines.

 

 

 

Also, Likley the team they last played would be tested. 

 

One of them proves positive.... House of cards from there. 

[jr ewing]

1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Why? Let's say one tests positive, their fixtures get postponed for two weeks and everyone is clear. Why can't they play?

If one tests positive most will. Then it spreads from one club to another. Logistics would then make it impossible to complete the fixtures. 

[Boab]

Just now, Hearts007 said:

Will that help or hinder sevco? depending on result of 1st game of course

Definitely help sevco if they get anything resembling a decent result in the first leg.

Decent mob though, BL, so, with the 2nd leg in mind, they will go for it first leg.

Should actually be a decent match.

Hope we stuff St Mirren first and can sit and watch it in a better frame of mind !

 

[Smoked-Glass]

Rumor of moving the euros back a year to summer of 2021

 

To be fair there is a big gap in the calendar in odd numbered summer. 

 

Don't suppose a year delay would matter too much.  Bound to be better than empty stadium and travel chaos. 

Edited March 10, 2020 by Smoked-Glass

[TheOak88]

2 hours ago, Barack said:

Again, sorry if covered. By just seen this from Ian Maxwell.

 

"Member clubs are urged to review the terms of any business interruption insurance they may hold, in the event that future matches may be cancelled or have to be held behind closed doors."

 

Now that's fine and dandy, probably up to a certain level. But the SPFL/SFA, should be ensuring those clubs who somehow could get the boaby from their insurers, on some kind of technicality, are recompensed. It's without precedent, and imo common sense and practicality need to be taken into account.

 

Again though...it's Scottish Football authorities.

 

I really doubt business interruption insurance would cover infectious diseases anyway. The policies are not built for such an event as standard. 

[IveSeenTheLight]

3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

China started end of December and its settling down. 2 to 3 months. 

 

The possible options include something like

 

1. April to June shutdown / close season

2. July to Aug complete season 

3. Another break in September 

4. New season starts October. 

 

More midweek games. Cut out League Cup groups, no Cup replays etc. 

 

China put in far more stringent measures than we have so far.

Also the bell curve for cases outside of Europe does not seem to reached its peak yet

 

 

[John Findlay]

I will be brutally honest. I'm getting bored senseless with this now.

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 hour ago, soonbe110 said:

Not still on lockdown. Closing/dismantling many of the temporary hospitals they built. Significant number of Schools re-opened yesterday. First confirmed case in China was 22 Jan so it’s looking like a two month period at most unless they get another flare-up. First confirmed case in Italy was 31 Jan but second and third confirmed cases were on 20 Feb so they are really only 19 days into it. Very severe impact there but age of population and condensed habitation areas are big factors. Fingers crossed we could be largely through it by mid-April. 

 

I don;t know where your getting your facts from but they seem to be in error.

The virus was first identified in China in December 2019

[Hectormasson]

54 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

China put in far more stringent measures than we have so far.

Also the bell curve for cases outside of Europe does not seem to reached its peak yet

 

 

Cut out  league cup full stop !  Shitty wee cup ,,,with loads of needless f....g games, bin the thing or just make it a home and away leg ,,,each round till semis ie whatever,, group thing is totally shite.....

[Enzo Chiefo]

51 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

China put in far more stringent measures than we have so far.

Also the bell curve for cases outside of Europe does not seem to reached its peak yet

 

 

There isn't a single  scientific model you can use. Each country has their own unique circumstances.  Italy and Spain appear to be suffering partly from some cultural traditions,  including, for example kissing statues. Italy's cases are mostly concentrated in one region, where it has spread wildly. In Scotland,  we have a few clusters and still no evidence whatsoever of community transmission. The evidence suggests the virus dies instantly when exposed to fresh air, hence the reason for sporting events being allowed to carry on. 

The majority of countries in the world have 100 cases or less. The problem lies predominantly in China and Italy where both were caught on the back foot for several weeks and failed to identify their patient zero. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

42 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I will be brutally honest. I'm getting bored senseless with this now.

As are the majority of the population John. Heeding the advice which has been drummed into us and this thing will be gone as quickly as it arrived.

[Bazzas right boot]

Looking around Europe, the league season is ****ed or will be, just a matter of time. 

 

I expect schools to shut down around the 20th (ahem...) , then public gathering events to follow after that. 

Be a domino effect once the schools close. 

 

From a football point of view we need to get off the bottom, now. 

 

From a 28 days later point of view I'm buying swords and body armour tommorow. 

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Smoked-Glass said:

Rumor of moving the euros back a year to summer of 2021

 

To be fair there is a big gap in the calendar in odd numbered summer. 

 

Don't suppose a year delay would matter too much.  Bound to be better than empty stadium and travel chaos. 

 

And folk dieing... 

[John Findlay]

28 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

As are the majority of the population John. Heeding the advice which has been drummed into us and this thing will be gone as quickly as it arrived.

Exactly

[soonbe110]

2 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

 Even assuming they have been training etc (remember it can be 5 days before symptoms show) then everyone they are in contact with (teammates, coaches etc presumably) are quarantined in their homes for 14 days minimum and tested. That wipes out a squad for 2 weeks anyway and then you have (best case a clear bill of health)  players unfit and at a Clear disadvantage . Prob 3-4 weeks before they can realistically get up to speed. That’s affecting clubs fixtures and also every team they are playing fixtures and timelines.

 

It really is that simple. Surprised some can’t get their heads round it. 

[JimmyCant]

9 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

Looking around Europe, the league season is ****ed or will be, just a matter of time. 

 

I expect schools to shut down around the 20th (ahem...) , then public gathering events to follow after that. 

Be a domino effect once the schools close. 

 

From a football point of view we need to get off the bottom, now. 

 

From a 28 days later point of view I'm buying swords and body armour tommorow. 

There is no danger of us being relegated without there being a sporting reason for it at the end of the season. None. If the season is terminated prematurely all results will be set aside and we’ll start again next season in the league we are in. Anything other than that and we’d be going to the CAS as soon as Donald Finlay answers his phone.

 

If we go another week without the significant spike that everyone is sure we are getting then this is blowing over very quickly and folk can dry their knickers and find the next thing to totally over-react about.

[soonbe110]

1 hour ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

I don;t know where your getting your facts from but they seem to be in error.

The virus was first identified in China in December 2019

BBC website. 

[JimmyCant]

Just now, soonbe110 said:

BBC website. 

Are you not looking at first deaths rather than first reported infections ? China definitely reported the first cases to WHO on 31st December and they may well have known about it for several days before they reported it

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

Not still on lockdown. Closing/dismantling many of the temporary hospitals they built. Significant number of Schools re-opened yesterday. First confirmed case in China was 22 Jan so it’s looking like a two month period at most unless they get another flare-up. First confirmed case in Italy was 31 Jan but second and third confirmed cases were on 20 Feb so they are really only 19 days into it. Very severe impact there but age of population and condensed habitation areas are big factors. Fingers crossed we could be largely through it by mid-April. 

I think it was December, Wuhan looked like it was still locked down when their leader President Xi was there today. Who knows what to believe about the situation there just now. 
 

Edited March 10, 2020 by Pasquale for King

[Bazzas right boot]

The health minister has it. 

Nadine dorres 

 

Wonder if more of them are infected? 

[Pasquale for King]

45 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

The health minister has it. 

Nadine dorres 

 

Wonder if more of them are infected? 

I would imagine so, Instead of self isolating she went to meetings with hundreds of folk and a cabinet meeting. I’ve said it a few times but these idiots don’t have a clue what they’re doing.

[Pasquale for King]

Mbappe checked and cleared according to SSN.

[IveSeenTheLight]

2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

The evidence suggests the virus dies instantly when exposed to fresh air, hence the reason for sporting events being allowed to carry on. 

 

[IveSeenTheLight]

55 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

The health minister has it. 

Nadine dorres 

 

Wonder if more of them are infected? 

How could she not know how many meetings she has had?

 

Quote

It is not known how many meetings Ms Dorries had attended at Westminster or in her constituency in recent days. She was at a Downing Street reception hosted by Boris Johnson last Thursday.

 

[cosanostra]

2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

The evidence suggests the virus dies instantly when exposed to fresh air, hence the reason for sporting events being allowed to carry on. 

 

My hospital and the WA minister of Health are telling us that the virus can survive on flat surfaces for 9-12 hours on average.

This was today. Not sure where you're getting this from but it's completely untrue.