The rise and fall of The SNP.

[Ulysses]

35 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Indeed.  They could all be responsible. The timeline of events would dictate that. I would imagine like corporate law the ultimate responsibility lies at the top. 

 

Politically responsible, but not legally responsible.  There's no imagining called for here.  The Act and the regulations are clear that legal responsibility for candour procedures lies with the service provider.  Has Sarwar said outside Parliament that the FM broke the law?

[Don Dan]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Politically responsible, but not legally responsible.  There's no imagining called for here.  The Act and the regulations are clear that legal responsibility for candour procedures lies with the service provider.  Has Sarwar said outside Parliament that the FM broke the law?

I doubt it. 
 

If this is to proceed then someone needs to involve the courts. That could well be the family who it appears have Sarwars ear. 
 

He could be just stirring the pot in FMQs. 
There could well be more to follow. 

[Mikey1874]

11 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Politically responsible, but not legally responsible.  There's no imagining called for here.  The Act and the regulations are clear that legal responsibility for candour procedures lies with the service provider.  Has Sarwar said outside Parliament that the FM broke the law?

 

You seem to be implying he can say what he likes in Parliament.

 

That is not the case in Scotland unlike say Dominic Cummings yesterday. 

[JackLadd]

The buck never stops with NS. Deny and cover it up and wait for the next ref2 news cycle. 

[Don Dan]

I had a quick scan through this, https://www.gov.scot/publications/organisational-duty-candour-guidance/

There are procedures and processes to follow. Someone is responsible to ensure that these are followed. If there has been a breakdown in the Duty of Candour and the Relevant Person has been let down then no doubt action needs to be taken against the Responsible Person where failure has been identified. 
I’ll leave that to those more conversant with the application of this Law. 

[Ulysses]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

You seem to be implying he can say what he likes in Parliament.

 

That is not the case in Scotland unlike say Dominic Cummings yesterday. 

 

In that case, he's taking quite a risk. 

[Swahili Jambo]

This is going round in circles.  Personally, I think the Scottish Govt have dealt well with Covid very well.   I've had my first jag and got my letter for the 2nd.  I'm a big Independence supporter, but fully respect, but disagree with others who don't hold that view, Unless you're a tory ****;).  That's what grown up politics is all about (and yeah I know the tory dig wasn't very grown up;!!)  Alba Gu Brath:)  Tick tock:)

[Mysterion]

4 minutes ago, Swahili Jambo said:

This is going round in circles.  Personally, I think the Scottish Govt have dealt well with Covid very well.   

 

They've done ok. 

Care home deaths are a black mark on both Scottish/UK government's record. The Scottish Government's over cautious approach has worked IMO however i think the good will/respect for handling it was eroded by the dithering over Christmas.

 

It was quite clear that relaxing restrictions around Christmas was a terrible idea and akin to bribing the electorate - since then i think a chunk of the public lost a bit of faith on the face value of the decision making. 

[Jeffros Furios]

9 hours ago, Swahili Jambo said:

This is going round in circles.  Personally, I think the Scottish Govt have dealt well with Covid very well.   I've had my first jag and got my letter for the 2nd.  I'm a big Independence supporter, but fully respect, but disagree with others who don't hold that view, Unless you're a tory ****;).  That's what grown up politics is all about (and yeah I know the tory dig wasn't very grown up;!!)  Alba Gu Brath:)  Tick tock:)

 yeah 1000s of old people died because  of thier negligence and you say they dealt with covid very well .

[JudyJudyJudy]

Not really interested much in politics but I’ll leave this article for others to discuss . Don’t shoot me I’m only the messenger ! it’s rather good about the economic case or not for Indy 
 

https://briefingsforbritain.co.uk/the-fantasy-economics-behind-the-case-for-scottish-independence/?fbclid=IwAR29CLjOhSOGu9MKiOco48FWnfu52aLeV-62-NYmue-EoC1b4pqSRpvXw-g

[JudyJudyJudy]

On 28/05/2021 at 08:31, Jeffros Furios said:

 yeah 1000s of old people died because  of thier negligence and you say they dealt with covid very well .

I know ! 

[JudyJudyJudy]

On 28/05/2021 at 08:31, Jeffros Furios said:

 yeah 1000s of old people died because  of thier negligence and you say they dealt with covid very well .

Let’s get this very clear  the SG “ appeared” to deal with covid very well . The daily briefings were a masterclass in spin and presentation handled exceptionally well by NS who displayed or seemed to empathy and sensitivity to the population . It was a very slick production worthy of a Hollywood film but it was style of substance really ! Same major errors , same death rates really if one counts it per capita , same controlling fear inducing mantra . 

[XB52]

Briefingsforbritain 😂😂😂😂

[manaliveits105]

Very valid points and the good Scottish people are not daft 

 

The economic costs of Scottish independence are high

The Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics has recently released a study estimating the costs of Scottish independence.[18] The study assumes that independence would increase trade costs between Scotland and the RUK by 15% in a low border-cost scenario and by 30% in a high border-cost scenario.[19] Using a gravity trade model,[20] Scotland’s long-run real income per capita will fall by between 4.5% (in the low border-cost scenario) and 6.7% (in the high border-cost scenario) or by between £1,385 and £2,155 per person.[21]  This means that the Scottish economy could shrink by £11bn a year if the country breaks away from the UK.

The SNP immediately rejected the size of the loss predicted by the LSE.  The Economy Secretary, Fiona Hyslop, said the study had not considered other effects of independence, such as changes in fiscal arrangements, foreign direct investment (FDI) flows or Scotland’s currency.[22]

The loss estimated by the LSE is only the border-cost loss. We also need to take into account the loss of Barnett formula fiscal transfers, as well as the loss of UK government procurement contracts, such as the 18 Royal Navy vessels that have been or will be built in Scotland between 2014 and the 2030s.[23]

The gross loss of Barnett benefits for 2021-22 would be £38bn.[24] The net loss from removing the fiscal transfers would be lower at around £15bn, since Scotland would now retain the tax revenue it collects.  This is calculated as the difference between £81bn in public spending and £66bn in taxes collected in Scotland, including those on North Sea oil revenues.[25]

This adds up to (at least) a £26bn total reduction in Scottish GDP which is equivalent to 15% of Scotland’s 2019 GDP of £168.14bn.[26] (You should really add to this the £0.86bn (0.5% of GDP) net membership fee that Scotland will pay if it joins the EU).

The UK economy has just experienced a 10% reduction in GDP due to the covid pandemic. This is the largest fall in 300 years. The UK economy will eventually bounce back from this.  Scottish independence means a permanent reduction in GDP of 15%, which is 50% greater than the cost of covid.

Ms Hyslop did not spell out how ‘fiscal arrangements’, FDI or a Scottish currency could compensate for a 15% reduction in Scottish GDP. The reality, of course, is that the Scottish economy will never recover from this.

Further, Scotland has very generous social benefits, such as free prescriptions, travel and university tuition fees. The Scottish Government has also just offered a 4% pay rise to 154,000 NHS Scotland staff, well above the 1% offered by Westminster to NHS staff in England.[27] All this helps to explain the huge 8.9% budget deficit.

The £15bn annual budget deficit needs to be filled in some way.  There are only three ways of doing this: cutting government spending, borrowing or raising taxes ‒ unless, of course, there is a magic money tree that the SNP has hidden away.

It has been estimated that to continue the current level of government spending after independence, the basic rate of income tax in Scotland would have to increase from 20% to 46% or the standard VAT rate would have to increase from 20% to 49%.[28] Raising taxes is the last thing you would do if you wanted to encourage FDI. If corporation tax is raised to a higher level than the RUK, companies will move their businesses south of the border. If the government tried to borrow to fund the deficit, this would break the Golden Rule of fiscal policy which states that ‘over the economic cycle, the government will borrow only to invest and not to fund current spending’.[29] Lenders would demand higher interest rates as a result. Private companies borrowing to invest would also have to pay higher interest rates as a consequence. This will not be good for FDI either.

Further, if Scotland introduced its own currency, this is very likely to fall in value relative to sterling – remember sterling fell by 15% after the 2016 Brexit Referendum. This might help with exports since they would be cheaper, but imports would be more expensive and this would increase inflation.  Liabilities denominated in sterling would immediately increase when measured in the new currency.  The currencies of small countries also tend to be more volatile than those of larger countries.  This is going to be bad for both trade and FDI.

It is also going to be especially bad for mortgages denominated in sterling. Most Scottish residents (around 800, 000 of them) will have sterling mortgages at the point that Scotland switches to its new currency. The value of these mortgages would increase if the new currency falls in value; and the mortgage interest payments will no longer be fixed, but will rise and fall as the new currency’s value fluctuates.  This is widely accepted by mortgage brokers: ‘Foreign currency mortgages are not for the faint hearted. You will probably be exposed to foreign currency loans if you buy a home overseas, which for all sorts of reasons has increased risks compared to those associated with living in the UK and owning properties here’.[30] Yet Andrew Wilson, who headed the SNP’s Growth Commission, has dismissed the idea that Scots will face problems with their mortgages after leaving the UK as ‘absurd’.[31] It would become marginally easier if Scotland adopted the euro, since this will fluctuate less against sterling, but only 18% of Scots want to adopt the euro.[32]

What is indeed absurd is the belief that changes in ‘fiscal arrangements’, FDI or Scotland’s currency are going to compensate for the £26bn annual cost to Scotland of Scexit. And this is before you consider the cost of replacing the 400 governmental organisations that currently run the UK and the trade and diplomatic agreements that the UK has with over 150 countries. It was Ruth Davidson, Conservative Party leader at Holyrood, who first warned of the SNP’s ‘fantasy economics’ with its promise of a ‘cost-free all-expenses-paid option which would somehow sweep the natural laws of economics aside’.[33]

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Very valid points and the good Scottish people are not daft 

 

The economic costs of Scottish independence are high

The Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics has recently released a study estimating the costs of Scottish independence.[18] The study assumes that independence would increase trade costs between Scotland and the RUK by 15% in a low border-cost scenario and by 30% in a high border-cost scenario.[19] Using a gravity trade model,[20] Scotland’s long-run real income per capita will fall by between 4.5% (in the low border-cost scenario) and 6.7% (in the high border-cost scenario) or by between £1,385 and £2,155 per person.[21]  This means that the Scottish economy could shrink by £11bn a year if the country breaks away from the UK.

The SNP immediately rejected the size of the loss predicted by the LSE.  The Economy Secretary, Fiona Hyslop, said the study had not considered other effects of independence, such as changes in fiscal arrangements, foreign direct investment (FDI) flows or Scotland’s currency.[22]

The loss estimated by the LSE is only the border-cost loss. We also need to take into account the loss of Barnett formula fiscal transfers, as well as the loss of UK government procurement contracts, such as the 18 Royal Navy vessels that have been or will be built in Scotland between 2014 and the 2030s.[23]

The gross loss of Barnett benefits for 2021-22 would be £38bn.[24] The net loss from removing the fiscal transfers would be lower at around £15bn, since Scotland would now retain the tax revenue it collects.  This is calculated as the difference between £81bn in public spending and £66bn in taxes collected in Scotland, including those on North Sea oil revenues.[25]

This adds up to (at least) a £26bn total reduction in Scottish GDP which is equivalent to 15% of Scotland’s 2019 GDP of £168.14bn.[26] (You should really add to this the £0.86bn (0.5% of GDP) net membership fee that Scotland will pay if it joins the EU).

The UK economy has just experienced a 10% reduction in GDP due to the covid pandemic. This is the largest fall in 300 years. The UK economy will eventually bounce back from this.  Scottish independence means a permanent reduction in GDP of 15%, which is 50% greater than the cost of covid.

Ms Hyslop did not spell out how ‘fiscal arrangements’, FDI or a Scottish currency could compensate for a 15% reduction in Scottish GDP. The reality, of course, is that the Scottish economy will never recover from this.

Further, Scotland has very generous social benefits, such as free prescriptions, travel and university tuition fees. The Scottish Government has also just offered a 4% pay rise to 154,000 NHS Scotland staff, well above the 1% offered by Westminster to NHS staff in England.[27] All this helps to explain the huge 8.9% budget deficit.

The £15bn annual budget deficit needs to be filled in some way.  There are only three ways of doing this: cutting government spending, borrowing or raising taxes ‒ unless, of course, there is a magic money tree that the SNP has hidden away.

It has been estimated that to continue the current level of government spending after independence, the basic rate of income tax in Scotland would have to increase from 20% to 46% or the standard VAT rate would have to increase from 20% to 49%.[28] Raising taxes is the last thing you would do if you wanted to encourage FDI. If corporation tax is raised to a higher level than the RUK, companies will move their businesses south of the border. If the government tried to borrow to fund the deficit, this would break the Golden Rule of fiscal policy which states that ‘over the economic cycle, the government will borrow only to invest and not to fund current spending’.[29] Lenders would demand higher interest rates as a result. Private companies borrowing to invest would also have to pay higher interest rates as a consequence. This will not be good for FDI either.

Further, if Scotland introduced its own currency, this is very likely to fall in value relative to sterling – remember sterling fell by 15% after the 2016 Brexit Referendum. This might help with exports since they would be cheaper, but imports would be more expensive and this would increase inflation.  Liabilities denominated in sterling would immediately increase when measured in the new currency.  The currencies of small countries also tend to be more volatile than those of larger countries.  This is going to be bad for both trade and FDI.

It is also going to be especially bad for mortgages denominated in sterling. Most Scottish residents (around 800, 000 of them) will have sterling mortgages at the point that Scotland switches to its new currency. The value of these mortgages would increase if the new currency falls in value; and the mortgage interest payments will no longer be fixed, but will rise and fall as the new currency’s value fluctuates.  This is widely accepted by mortgage brokers: ‘Foreign currency mortgages are not for the faint hearted. You will probably be exposed to foreign currency loans if you buy a home overseas, which for all sorts of reasons has increased risks compared to those associated with living in the UK and owning properties here’.[30] Yet Andrew Wilson, who headed the SNP’s Growth Commission, has dismissed the idea that Scots will face problems with their mortgages after leaving the UK as ‘absurd’.[31] It would become marginally easier if Scotland adopted the euro, since this will fluctuate less against sterling, but only 18% of Scots want to adopt the euro.[32]

What is indeed absurd is the belief that changes in ‘fiscal arrangements’, FDI or Scotland’s currency are going to compensate for the £26bn annual cost to Scotland of Scexit. And this is before you consider the cost of replacing the 400 governmental organisations that currently run the UK and the trade and diplomatic agreements that the UK has with over 150 countries. It was Ruth Davidson, Conservative Party leader at Holyrood, who first warned of the SNP’s ‘fantasy economics’ with its promise of a ‘cost-free all-expenses-paid option which would somehow sweep the natural laws of economics aside’.[33]

👍

[manaliveits105]

but but Jimmy Krankie said the Toooooooaries were selling the Scottish fisherman and farmers down the river ?

 

If Scotland became ‘independent’, Scotland’s fish would be handed over to the EU as part of the Common Fisheries Policy, while Scotland’s water could only be exported to RUK.  Further, none of these resources are particularly labour intensive, so little new job creation will arise from more efficient management of these resources on independence, assuming there is any. Further, they are not the jobs that Scots want to do.

[jack D and coke]

15 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Very valid points and the good Scottish people are not daft 

 

The economic costs of Scottish independence are high

The Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics has recently released a study estimating the costs of Scottish independence.[18] The study assumes that independence would increase trade costs between Scotland and the RUK by 15% in a low border-cost scenario and by 30% in a high border-cost scenario.[19] Using a gravity trade model,[20] Scotland’s long-run real income per capita will fall by between 4.5% (in the low border-cost scenario) and 6.7% (in the high border-cost scenario) or by between £1,385 and £2,155 per person.[21]  This means that the Scottish economy could shrink by £11bn a year if the country breaks away from the UK.

The SNP immediately rejected the size of the loss predicted by the LSE.  The Economy Secretary, Fiona Hyslop, said the study had not considered other effects of independence, such as changes in fiscal arrangements, foreign direct investment (FDI) flows or Scotland’s currency.[22]

The loss estimated by the LSE is only the border-cost loss. We also need to take into account the loss of Barnett formula fiscal transfers, as well as the loss of UK government procurement contracts, such as the 18 Royal Navy vessels that have been or will be built in Scotland between 2014 and the 2030s.[23]

The gross loss of Barnett benefits for 2021-22 would be £38bn.[24] The net loss from removing the fiscal transfers would be lower at around £15bn, since Scotland would now retain the tax revenue it collects.  This is calculated as the difference between £81bn in public spending and £66bn in taxes collected in Scotland, including those on North Sea oil revenues.[25]

This adds up to (at least) a £26bn total reduction in Scottish GDP which is equivalent to 15% of Scotland’s 2019 GDP of £168.14bn.[26] (You should really add to this the £0.86bn (0.5% of GDP) net membership fee that Scotland will pay if it joins the EU).

The UK economy has just experienced a 10% reduction in GDP due to the covid pandemic. This is the largest fall in 300 years. The UK economy will eventually bounce back from this.  Scottish independence means a permanent reduction in GDP of 15%, which is 50% greater than the cost of covid.

Ms Hyslop did not spell out how ‘fiscal arrangements’, FDI or a Scottish currency could compensate for a 15% reduction in Scottish GDP. The reality, of course, is that the Scottish economy will never recover from this.

Further, Scotland has very generous social benefits, such as free prescriptions, travel and university tuition fees. The Scottish Government has also just offered a 4% pay rise to 154,000 NHS Scotland staff, well above the 1% offered by Westminster to NHS staff in England.[27] All this helps to explain the huge 8.9% budget deficit.

The £15bn annual budget deficit needs to be filled in some way.  There are only three ways of doing this: cutting government spending, borrowing or raising taxes ‒ unless, of course, there is a magic money tree that the SNP has hidden away.

It has been estimated that to continue the current level of government spending after independence, the basic rate of income tax in Scotland would have to increase from 20% to 46% or the standard VAT rate would have to increase from 20% to 49%.[28] Raising taxes is the last thing you would do if you wanted to encourage FDI. If corporation tax is raised to a higher level than the RUK, companies will move their businesses south of the border. If the government tried to borrow to fund the deficit, this would break the Golden Rule of fiscal policy which states that ‘over the economic cycle, the government will borrow only to invest and not to fund current spending’.[29] Lenders would demand higher interest rates as a result. Private companies borrowing to invest would also have to pay higher interest rates as a consequence. This will not be good for FDI either.

Further, if Scotland introduced its own currency, this is very likely to fall in value relative to sterling – remember sterling fell by 15% after the 2016 Brexit Referendum. This might help with exports since they would be cheaper, but imports would be more expensive and this would increase inflation.  Liabilities denominated in sterling would immediately increase when measured in the new currency.  The currencies of small countries also tend to be more volatile than those of larger countries.  This is going to be bad for both trade and FDI.

It is also going to be especially bad for mortgages denominated in sterling. Most Scottish residents (around 800, 000 of them) will have sterling mortgages at the point that Scotland switches to its new currency. The value of these mortgages would increase if the new currency falls in value; and the mortgage interest payments will no longer be fixed, but will rise and fall as the new currency’s value fluctuates.  This is widely accepted by mortgage brokers: ‘Foreign currency mortgages are not for the faint hearted. You will probably be exposed to foreign currency loans if you buy a home overseas, which for all sorts of reasons has increased risks compared to those associated with living in the UK and owning properties here’.[30] Yet Andrew Wilson, who headed the SNP’s Growth Commission, has dismissed the idea that Scots will face problems with their mortgages after leaving the UK as ‘absurd’.[31] It would become marginally easier if Scotland adopted the euro, since this will fluctuate less against sterling, but only 18% of Scots want to adopt the euro.[32]

What is indeed absurd is the belief that changes in ‘fiscal arrangements’, FDI or Scotland’s currency are going to compensate for the £26bn annual cost to Scotland of Scexit. And this is before you consider the cost of replacing the 400 governmental organisations that currently run the UK and the trade and diplomatic agreements that the UK has with over 150 countries. It was Ruth Davidson, Conservative Party leader at Holyrood, who first warned of the SNP’s ‘fantasy economics’ with its promise of a ‘cost-free all-expenses-paid option which would somehow sweep the natural laws of economics aside’.[33]

What a steaming pile of horse shit  

[Unknown user]

Too wee, too poor, too stupid.

 

Get ye's TF, Scotland's epic

[Boab]

Looks like the Nats are defying gravity.

When’s this fall ?

Get Issac Newton on the blower. Shyster !

[Captain Slog]

Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact' - BBC News

 

Reading between the lines, the stand out sentence on the SNP minimum alcohol pricing seems to be that low income families did not reduce consumption.  Which means they would have far less income to spend on food.  This really is a tax on the poor.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Captain Slog

[Captain Slog]

Yeah, probably the wrong thread.  But it is the group where i would have expected the biggest impact, because purchasing alcohol will have a much greater percentage on any disposable income. and as such its a failure.

 

To be honest, medium and high earners are generally better educated and should be knowledgeable enough to make their own decisions on consumption.  I would have hoped low eaners would have reduced consumption too.  Maybe alcohol is a giffen good, the more it costs, the less you have for other things, so you buy more to make yourself feel better

[manaliveits105]

another snp failure then 

[Konrad von Carstein]

3 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

Absolutely spot on. Introducing a health policy which results in less people buying bevvy and dying = SNP fail. 
 

And to think, you regularly criticise them for ignoring the day job on health etc. 
 

Anyone would think you had an agenda. 

His agenda is to troll and spread shyte all over this and other threads...

[Konrad von Carstein]

7 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

Of course. He’s just really shite at it though. An utter helmet. 

[Konrad von Carstein]

2 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

Seriously though. Imagine someone like that drank in your local😂

Imagine someone like him AND Jack Ladd...

[Konrad von Carstein]

10 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

 

That would mean they weren’t the same person though.  

[manaliveits105]

a brace of weasels 

 

[Konrad von Carstein]

7 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

a brace of weasels 

 

 

You and Jack Ladd?

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Konrad von Carstein

[micole]

1 hour ago, BarneyBattles said:

Of course. He’s just really shite at it though. An utter helmet. 

Yup that he is. He contributes absolutely hee haw to any debate just name calls and spouts shite.

[jack D and coke]

3 hours ago, BarneyBattles said:

Of course. He’s just really shite at it though. An utter helmet. 

He does troll the political threads to the Stone age and back but I’m sure he’s a top lad. He is a Jambo after all🥰

[Unknown user]

39 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

He does troll the political threads to the Stone age and back but I’m sure he’s a top lad. He is a Jambo after all🥰

I'll have you know I'm both a Jambo and an absolute ring

[Captain Slog]

Somethings up.  The most credible SNP politician quits the national executive committee at the same time as the Treasurer, and 600k raised to campaign for independence has went walkies.

[manaliveits105]

30 MAY 2021 • 4:00 PM

John Swinney has insisted the SNP's hierarchy was not embroiled in a secrecy scandal over its finances after the party's treasurer resigned, claiming he was not allowed enough information to do the job.

An MP in charge of the SNP's finances has quit - claiming he was not given enough information to do the job.

Douglas Chapman, the MP for Dunfermline and West Fife, announced he had resigned as national treasurer of the party on Saturday evening.

Mr Chapman took over in the role last year.

It comes as the deputy first minister denied claims that police were investigating the whereabouts of £600,000 raised by SNP activists.

The SNP's John Swinney told the BBC's Sunday Show that he did not understand what had prompted Douglas Chapman's actions.
 

Joanna Cherry, the MP who was sacked in February from her front bench role in the party’s Westminster group, announced she had quit the NEC, the party’s ruling body.

 

Mrs Murrell said it was the 

Tooooooooooaries that did it so it wiz 

 

[manaliveits105]

Whataboooooooooot the toooaries !

 

[Maroon Sailor]

LOOK

 

I don't know where that 600k has gone - but ah huvnae goat it

[manaliveits105]

auditors already resigned months ago when Mr Murrell refused to release all the info allegedly 

[JackLadd]

Wouldn't be like the snp to sweep a scandal under the rug before an election. Best wee corrupt party in the world. 

[jack D and coke]

10 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said:

LOOK

 

I don't know where that 600k has gone - but ah huvnae goat it

Cos £600k of privately raised money is comparable with tens of billions (that’s BILLIONS) of taxpayers money that has been looted on an app that doesn’t work!!? 40 BILLION POUNDS!!!! 

The govt had to explain the other day in court why it had awarded £252m to a small family company office owned via a Mauritius tax haven for PPE that was 3 times the market rate then arrived and wasn’t fit for purpose. £252 million ****ing pounds!!! Stolen!!! But keep looking at the pennies the SNP have lost from their own supporters  they’ll get theirs in time if they can’t show where it’s went. 
You literally couldn’t make it this stuff up!!  its hilarious! They’re looting and stealing and enriching themselves and their pals right in front of all of our eyes and nobody cares. It’s what aboot the snp man?!? Wheres their ain money went eh i demand tae ken  it was for another indyref you should be happy theyve spunked it! 

[Dazo]

11 hours ago, BarneyBattles said:

Any chance of a response to my question?

What would be the point in answering your question ? It is loaded to back up the embarrassing defence to every snp scandal or **** up. The defence of not being quite as bad as the conservatives is a shocker. Lie, steal and **** up as much as you want just as long as it’s perceived not to be as bad as them then it’s ok. 👍

 

It makes us a laughing stock and no wonder half the electorate don’t trust them to run the country on its own. 

[Unknown user]

6 minutes ago, Dazo said:

What would be the point in answering your question ? It is loaded to back up the embarrassing defence to every snp scandal or **** up. The defence of not being quite as bad as the conservatives is a shocker. Lie, steal and **** up as much as you want just as long as it’s perceived not to be as bad as them then it’s ok. 👍

 

It makes us a laughing stock and no wonder half the electorate don’t trust them to run the country on its own. 

 

Whether you like it or not the whole subject is a comparison with the Westminster status quo

[Konrad von Carstein]

58 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Cos £600k of privately raised money is comparable with tens of billions (that’s BILLIONS) of taxpayers money that has been looted on an app that doesn’t work!!? 40 BILLION POUNDS!!!! 

The govt had to explain the other day in court why it had awarded £252m to a small family company office owned via a Mauritius tax haven for PPE that was 3 times the market rate then arrived and wasn’t fit for purpose. £252 million ****ing pounds!!! Stolen!!! But keep looking at the pennies the SNP have lost from their own supporters  they’ll get theirs in time if they can’t show where it’s went. 
You literally couldn’t make it this stuff up!!  its hilarious! They’re looting and stealing and enriching themselves and their pals right in front of all of our eyes and nobody cares. It’s what aboot the snp man?!? Wheres their ain money went eh i demand tae ken  it was for another indyref you should be happy theyve spunked it! 

 

12 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Whether you like it or not the whole subject is a comparison with the Westminster status quo

Great postage...

[Dazo]

15 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Whether you like it or not the whole subject is a comparison with the Westminster status quo

Why can’t the SG be judged on its own merits by those that defend them so strongly ? Time and time again we hear about how bad the tories are when the snp are being defended. Just my opinion but **** me that isn’t really a defence is it. 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Dazo

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

Cos £600k of privately raised money is comparable with tens of billions (that’s BILLIONS) of taxpayers money that has been looted on an app that doesn’t work!!? 40 BILLION POUNDS!!!! 

The govt had to explain the other day in court why it had awarded £252m to a small family company office owned via a Mauritius tax haven for PPE that was 3 times the market rate then arrived and wasn’t fit for purpose. £252 million ****ing pounds!!! Stolen!!! But keep looking at the pennies the SNP have lost from their own supporters  they’ll get theirs in time if they can’t show where it’s went. 
You literally couldn’t make it this stuff up!!  its hilarious! They’re looting and stealing and enriching themselves and their pals right in front of all of our eyes and nobody cares. It’s what aboot the snp man?!? Wheres their ain money went eh i demand tae ken  it was for another indyref you should be happy theyve spunked it! 

[Boab]

21 minutes ago, Dazo said:

What would be the point in answering your question ? It is loaded to back up the embarrassing defence to every snp scandal or **** up. The defence of not being quite as bad as the conservatives is a shocker. Lie, steal and **** up as much as you want just as long as it’s perceived not to be as bad as them then it’s ok. 👍

 

It makes us a laughing stock and no wonder half the electorate don’t trust them to run the country on its own. 

The fact that the levels of alleged chicanery are dwarfed by the Tories’ alleged corruption are relevant, D.

I suppose, if we were being courteous,  any Nats misdemeanours should be discussed on here and Tory nepotism on the Tory Lies thread. 
You can bet your bottom dollar the SNP have been getting it tight on that thread to deflect Tory corruption. The nature of social media.

 

[Dazo]

2 minutes ago, Boab said:

The fact that the levels of alleged chicanery are dwarfed by the Tories’ alleged corruption are relevant, D.

I suppose, if we were being courteous,  any Nats misdemeanours should be discussed on here and Tory nepotism on the Tory Lies thread. 
You can bet your bottom dollar the SNP have been getting it tight on that thread to deflect Tory corruption. The nature of social media.

 

Thats my point really. Both corrupt but it comes across by some people that it’s  okay as long as the snp aren’t as corrupt. That’s what their defence looks like. It makes you wonder how corrupt they will get if they have more money and avenues to play with. 

[manaliveits105]

14 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Thats my point really. Both corrupt but it comes across by some people that it’s  okay as long as the snp aren’t as corrupt. That’s what their defence looks like. It makes you wonder how corrupt they will get if they have more money and avenues to play with. 

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[Don Dan]

If you are corrupt then you are corrupt. Once you think you have gotten away with it you’ll take a bigger chance. Corruption is rarely ever a one off. 
Ah it’s only a pen or 10 minutes at the end of the day. 

[Captain Slog]

The point is where has the 600k went, and who did what with it.

 

This has feck all to do with whatever the tories are doing at Westminster.  Answer the point without whatabootery.  We all know the tories are corrupt, we don't need it pointed out.  We're just asking, without any reference to other parties whatsoever, are the snp corrupt?

 

Frankly, if Cherry joined another party id happily vote for her rather than the Lovells

[Don Dan]

Apparently the SNP only have £97,000 in their accounts. The £600,000 must have been “ woven in the accounts” with invisible thread. Because it’s certainly not visible to those who should be able to scrutinise the accounts. 
 

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/06/01/you-dont-know-the-half-of-it-you-do-now/

[Unknown user]

6 hours ago, Dazo said:

Thats my point really. Both corrupt but it comes across by some people that it’s  okay as long as the snp aren’t as corrupt. That’s what their defence looks like. It makes you wonder how corrupt they will get if they have more money and avenues to play with. 

 

You say both corrupt as if they're similar, they're not, by orders of magnitude. That's the point. They're NOT as bad as each other.