Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Heartsmad1874]

9 hours ago, Ak47 said:

Start a new job tomorrow at the covid testing centre in Leith 😬 opens next week i think. 

Good luck bud. I had a Covid tester job at the Airport drive in with Boots but i packed it in due to my other job and not being able to do both.

 

 

[OBE]

6 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

That Jonesy character is some wind up merchant!

 

Only if a 🗝️ is unwittingly offered.   

[The Mighty Thor]

9 hours ago, Victorian said:

John Edmunds explaining that the well known metrics will be very hard to analyse regarding how effective the latest measures are being.  All due to the slower burning nature of this wave.  He suggested the metrics will show an extended plateau.  He says the key indicators going forward will be the community surveillance surveys (not some spotty, speccy ***** with a clipboard Seymour).  

 

I think he's spot on.  The best place to see progress will be in the community infection surveys.

I've seen a few articles now with this developing narrative of a 'slower burning wave' and how the current mitigations will take longer to be effective. 

Its utter bollocks. The mitigations aren't having impact because the two main transmission vectors are still wide open and enjoy protected status. That's why shutting everything else is having no impact and it'll be the reason why England's 4 week lockdown will achieve hee-haw beyond the superficial.

[Taffin]

34 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I've seen a few articles now with this developing narrative of a 'slower burning wave' and how the current mitigations will take longer to be effective. 

Its utter bollocks. The mitigations aren't having impact because the two main transmission vectors are still wide open and enjoy protected status. That's why shutting everything else is having no impact and it'll be the reason why England's 4 week lockdown will achieve hee-haw beyond the superficial.

 

Hard to disagree with that. I'll be continuing to travel, meet new people and stay away overnight every week throughout the lockdown period for work. Sunday lunch with a friend though or keeping myself fit in the gym? Not allowed.

Either do it, or don't. This cowardly fence sitting bollocks is pointless.

[Harry Potter]

Kay Burley going to scare the horses (has she got some) as she wont get her hair done😕.

Beyond me.

[Jeff]

36 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Hard to disagree with that. I'll be continuing to travel, meet new people and stay away overnight every week throughout the lockdown period for work. Sunday lunch with a friend though or keeping myself fit in the gym? Not allowed.

Either do it, or don't. This cowardly fence sitting bollocks is pointless.

 

How is life working as a male escort?

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, Gone said:

 

How is life working as a male escort?

 

The money's not was it was after my lockdown 1.0 diet 😭

[Weakened Offender]

9 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

I think the problem for some lies in her origins. She is a woman, working class, comes from the west and is Scottish. These are all things that have suspect value among our more traditional members. 

  

 

And the more 'traditional' element bunch of sad act weirdos on this forum. 

[Governor Tarkin]

5 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

And the more 'traditional' element bunch of sad act weirdos on this forum. 

 

Black-balled from the lodge type post imo.

 

🇬🇧 🇬🇧

 

 

[Weakened Offender]

2 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Black-balled from the lodge type post imo.

 

🇬🇧 🇬🇧

 

 

 

Funny you should pop up almost immediately. 😁

[doctor jambo]

I wonder what the reaction would be if there was a proper release of statistics , instead of only one side.

 

You know the likes- bed occupancy rates this year compared to last,

ICU occupany this vs last

those kind of things?

Burnham was trying to put it out there - Liverpool was being shut down despite the fact their hospitals and ICU were no worse than they were this time last year.

Its generally the same patients admitted to hospital year after year with their chests- its just this year its with something different.

[Governor Tarkin]

35 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Funny you should pop up almost immediately. 😁

 

If by 'funny' you mean 'predictable' then your spot on. I've been lurking all morning looking for an excuse to post a UF smiley. If you mean anything else then it's back to school time for you again I'm affraid.

[Victorian]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I've seen a few articles now with this developing narrative of a 'slower burning wave' and how the current mitigations will take longer to be effective. 

Its utter bollocks. The mitigations aren't having impact because the two main transmission vectors are still wide open and enjoy protected status. That's why shutting everything else is having no impact and it'll be the reason why England's 4 week lockdown will achieve hee-haw beyond the superficial.

 

You could be right.  It looks like people are expecting this to be bad for a prolonged period.   They should really be shutting the schools for a couple of months.  

[Victorian]

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Edited November 3, 2020 by Victorian

[Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

You could be right.  It looks like people are expecting this to be bad for a prolonged period.   They should really be shutting the schools for a couple of months.  

IMO that is the last thing they should do.

[Victorian]

Just now, Ron Burgundy said:

IMO that is the last thing they should do.

 

Ideally yes but if that's the one thing that prevents any progress through having a lockdown then it should come into the equation.  

[Samuel Camazzola]

18 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

What about the people who “forget” or chose not to wear one if they don’t agree with it?

 

ive had to remind several people to wear one in the last week or 2

 

and I’ve seen people claim they have asthma so they can’t wear a mask ... yet they are well enough to smoke!

 

 

[doctor jambo]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Ideally yes but if that's the one thing that prevents any progress through having a lockdown then it should come into the equation.  

Its either that OR we come to the realisation that this is NOT going to go away, and it will circle round the globe annually, and that locking down a healthy population semi indefinately- either completely or partially is bonkers.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

27 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

IMO that is the last thing they should do.

I couldn't disagree more. They need to wake up to the fact that schools and Unis are a huge transmission vector. 

25 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Ideally yes but if that's the one thing that prevents any progress through having a lockdown then it should come into the equation.  

It has to. To not bring this into the equation is negligence, regardless of how unpalatable it is. 

10 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

Its either that OR we come to the realisation that this is NOT going to go away, and it will circle round the globe annually, and that locking down a healthy population semi indefinately- either completely or partially is bonkers.

 

Agreed. You have to either have to go after an eradication strategy or just let it rip (and I'm in no way advocating that at all)  Half arsed measures are worse than both. 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

Its either that OR we come to the realisation that this is NOT going to go away, and it will circle round the globe annually, and that locking down a healthy population semi indefinately- either completely or partially is bonkers.

 

 

It looks like a long drawn out process.  This wave absolutely needs to be suppressed now otherwise the scale of hospitalisations will,  by a magnitude,  overwhelm the hospitals.  After that it looks like a combination of vaccinations,  mass testing and ongoing social distancing / respiratory hygiene practices.  A combination of vaccinations and (hopefully) a building up and sustaining of population immunity.  

 

Vaccines and mass testing should be able to get us well on the way to where we briefly were during the summer.  Much more freedoms by this summer.  

 

Will we have to live with it?  Yes.  But there's enough of an arsenal in the future to ensure that we never have to return to this current quagmire.

[Pasquale for King]

11 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Not an SNP supporter . Never been a member. I just look at the information and base my opinions on that. You don't accept that Scotland has had better outcomes. I can provide lots of evidence to show it has. Do you have any evidence to show that it hasn't?

Not having a tiered system will be proved to be very damaging to public health in some areas and overly damaging to the economy in others. It's the need and application of that system that is explained to us so eloquently at the daily briefings.

 

 The briefings are actually very entertaining e.g. today we had a man from the Times asking if you had to go to Spain to catch the Spanish strain of coronavirus. Just a few days ago Nicola was trolling all the"journalists" by telling them that they were all getting cranky. But it's not just Nicola we get the Chief Medical Officer, The health secretary, the chief nursing officer and many others including Jason Leitch, who in my opinion is the most entertaining. There's always a bit of suspense wondering who is going to take the stage. All sorts of questions are asked and answered and nobody can be in any doubt that our experts are totally on top of their jobs. i've never seen anybody handle a Press conference so expertly as the FM. Everybody i know think she is doing a great job and the polls bear it out.

 

I think the problem for some lies in her origins. She is a woman, working class, comes from the west and is Scottish. These are all things that have suspect value among our more traditional members. Many would rather make things up, hurl insults or engage in any fallacious activity they can think of than actually engage with the debate. Somebody. i think it was you, said Boris got nearly half the vote in England, how galling must it be for her detractors to find that even in the country she is hell bent on being different to, her approval ratings far exceed those of the Prime minister  

 

  

Well said. 

[Ron Burgundy]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

I couldn't disagree more. They need to wake up to the fact that schools and Unis are a huge transmission vector. 

It has to. To not bring this into the equation is negligence, regardless of how unpalatable it is. 

Agreed. You have to either have to go after an eradication strategy or just let it rip (and I'm in no way advocating that at all)  Half arsed measures are worse than both. 

Hospitality seems to be the biggest spreader or at least you would think so as the industry has been singled out and destroyed. Hopefully there is some science behind the reason to do so.

 

As for the young, well I am against their lives being ruined in order to contain a virus that may kill someone who's average age has already exceeded the national average. The survival rate for this virus is incredibly high and the vast majority of people who catch it won't even know in all likelihood.

 

The virus cannot be eradicated unless we plan on closing all borders for years with no travel in or out. Unless of course a magical vaccine is found. Do we apply lockdowns regionally or nationally indefinitely?

 

We are not being given the information we need IMO only the info to scare us into complying.

 

The above is simply my opinion.

[doctor jambo]

3 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Hospitality seems to be the biggest spreader or at least you would think so as the industry has been singled out and destroyed. Hopefully there is some science behind the reason to do so.

 

As for the young, well I am against their lives being ruined in order to contain a virus that may kill someone who's average age has already exceeded the national average. The survival rate for this virus is incredibly high and the vast majority of people who catch it won't even know in all likelihood.

 

The virus cannot be eradicated unless we plan on closing all borders for years with no travel in or out. Unless of course a magical vaccine is found. Do we apply lockdowns regionally or nationally indefinitely?

 

We are not being given the information we need IMO only the info to scare us into complying.

 

The above is simply my opinion.

This in spades.

We are  being fed partial information to keep compliance, and I understand that, but its treating us as fools.

Hospitals are pretty much always at capacity.

We are forever being sent emails about bed crises and shortages.

Even a vaccine is not going to fix this.

Eradication is not an option, and containment is hugely damaging, as we are seeing at present..

Shield the vulnerable, use "hands face space" and open back up.

you know- give us the facts and let us decide how to live our lives.

 

[Weakened Offender]

56 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

I've been lurking all morning looking for an excuse to post a UF smiley. 

 

That's me been made to look silly then 😁

[Taffin]

6 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

This in spades.

We are  being fed partial information to keep compliance, and I understand that, but its treating us as fools.

Hospitals are pretty much always at capacity.

We are forever being sent emails about bed crises and shortages.

Even a vaccine is not going to fix this.

Eradication is not an option, and containment is hugely damaging, as we are seeing at present..

Shield the vulnerable, use "hands face space" and open back up.

you know- give us the facts and let us decide how to live our lives.

 

 

I'd have thought a hospital operating at near capacity was the intention and the sign of a good operation and when capacity is breached, use the network.

 

People seem to think there should be permanent excess capacity at all hospitals.

 

That should have been posed more as a question as I don't know if that is considered good in the NHS but from a business perspective, it seems pretty effective.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Taffin

[Ron Burgundy]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

I'm picturing his ma's basement to be like a scene from Toy Story, with hundreds of subbuteo players, Action Men, WWF figures and Barbie dolls, all 2m apart (to scale). He puts a wee mask on each one, but occasionally makes one or two forget so that he can chastise them. How he makes them smoke, I'd rather not think about.

His mothers skeleton still fully dressed sitting in a rocking chair in her bedroom.

[coconut doug]

11 hours ago, Back to 2005 said:

Dont know but hospital admissions for respiratory infections are average. Despite what they are telling us. So why are they lying? 

 

  You need to read the whole of this document to appreciate the situation properly. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926538/EDSSSBulletin2020wk41.pdf  Here's a quote from the document ► EDSSS indicators are likely to be an underestimation of number attendances as they are based on primary diagnosis only.
► The EDSSS should therefore be used to monitor trends in ED attendances and not numbers of ‘cases’.

 

The trend is upwards according to this document. Covid cases are rising. Deaths are 11% up on the 5 year average as well (ONS). Winter is very near. Not responding to this would be criminal.

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

That's me been made to look silly then 😁

 

This is an open goal but I'll let you off. 

 

Don't make it all about you, please.

 

[Weakened Offender]

5 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

This is an open goal but I'll let you off. 

 

Don't make it all about you, please.

 

 

I think I'll  leave you to your tea towel nonsense you silly wee man. 😊

[Riddley Walker]

12 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

His mothers skeleton still fully dressed sitting in a rocking chair in her bedroom.

 

[JWL]

25 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

His mothers skeleton still fully dressed sitting in a rocking chair in her bedroom.

 

With mask fully intact.

[coconut doug]

11 hours ago, jonesy said:

 

Your evidence will likely take the form of statistics regarding deaths of patients who also had Covid. My concern is the long term effect of the strategies laid down by Edinburgh and London. Many more will die or suffer as a result of their interventions than will die with Covid in their system. Outcomes can and should be measured in different ways. Yours are simplistic and short-termist, much like the restrictions arbitrarily imposed upon our way of life.

 

Your second paragraph is quite clearly an attempt at a bit of trolling/comedy, so I'll avoid comment on it and applaud your efforts. Perhaps when this is all over Sturgeon, Leitch and the rest of the gang could go on a nationwide stadium tour and bring their unique brand of humour to the - socially-distanced - people.

 

And your third paragraph, insinuating all sorts and conflating disapproval of Sturgeon with misogyny, elitism or regionalism is so far off the mark that you ought to apologise. It is also a strategy I've seen from a couple of other posters on here: an attempt to discredit debate by pulling the sexism card. Poor form, Doug.

 

 

PS - You never answered my question. Do you work for the SNP or do you write for The National? 😛 

 

You don't know what my measures are because i never said. You might consider the death rate to be a simplistic measure but i doubt you can think of a more important one. None of us know what the long term effects will be but surely the best way to deal with possible future problems is to deal with the virus as quickly and rigorously as possible like some Asian countries have done.

 

    I am aware that medical services right across the board are sub optimal just now but i think that is primarily because of poor behaviour in the population. In civilised countries people would not engage in house parties and raves at the expense of their fellow human beings. Contingencies are having to be made because we have failed to suppress the disease. I obviously cannot absolve government from it's share of responsibility but it should be clear that UK gov is much more culpable than SG iMO. They had the power to introduce travel bans but didn't and fought against them all along the line. They could have introduced fairer financial support packages at an earlier date. They could have acquired a T and T system that works from someone other than a Tory donor. They could have resourced PHE rather than subcontract their core functions to more Tory donors who had no experience in the field but had lots of experience of messing things up. All of this leads to poor outcomes in the long and short term and most of it applies to England much more than Scotland. That is why i say where we did things differently we got better outcomes. You dispute this so now you should tell us what should have been done and what the detrimental effects of our current policies are.

 

 The resistance to Scotland taking a different path was of course in part a fear that Scotland would do better and the last thing Unionists wanted to see was Scotland doing it better. They preferred a worse outcome to an understanding that we had done better than Westminster. Even when it became largely apparent that we had done better some (you included) decided that we had both done terribly and there was no point in attempting to differentiate between the two.

 

Are you seriously suggesting that NS is not subject to the most vile prejudice on here?

 

I dont't work or write for The National. I've only ever read the odd snippet from it. I don't work for the SNP and i don't like them very much. That might give you a clue as to how much contempt i have for most of the rest of our politicians.

[Governor Tarkin]

20 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

I think I'll  leave you to your tea towel nonsense you silly wee man. 😊

 

It'll get you in a lot of trouble thinking, Weakened. I wouldn't do too much of it.
 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Are you seriously suggesting that NS is not subject to the most vile prejudice on here?

 

 

You mean more than Boris is for being a privileged toff? 

[The Mighty Thor]

6 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

You mean more than Boris is for being a privileged toff? 

To be fair being a privileged toff is pretty far down the list of reasons to think Johnson is a ****.

[Pasquale for King]

17 hours ago, jonesy said:

Almost 1 in 2 people voted Tory at the last election. That's even scarier.

They got 13.94m votes out of 32m cast, 43.6% with a poor voter turnout of 67.3% is more accurate than almost 1 in 2. The SNP got 45% of Scottish votes, that’s scary for those on this thread apparently. 

[Don Dan]

Of the new positive cases: 

378 are in Greater Glasgow and Clyde

207 are in Lanarkshire

128 are in Lothian 

107 are in Ayrshire and Arran

 

999 people have tested positive for coronavirus since yesterday in Scotland 

28 new deaths have been recorded in 24 hours 

1,254 people are being treated in hospital with the virus, 29 more than yesterday 

92 people are being treated in intensive care with the virus, one less than yesterday 

[frankblack]

10 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

IMO that is the last thing they should do.

 

Another mate with kids in two schools in Glasgow has been told to keep their daughter home because of positive tests in their year.

 

It doesn't seem like sending kids to school in these times is sensible.

[Ray Gin]

9 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

Are you seriously suggesting that NS is not subject to the most vile prejudice on here?

 

 

He was calling for her to be hanged the other week. Bigger troll than JiH/J4E.

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Ray Gin

[Enzo Chiefo]

8 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

They got 13.94m votes out of 32m cast, 43.6% with a poor voter turnout of 67.3% is more accurate than almost 1 in 2. The SNP got 45% of Scottish votes, that’s scary for those on this thread apparently. 

And more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP at the last election.  That too, is scary for some on this thread.

[Taffin]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Had typed out a longish response, but can't be bothered.

 

However, please stop your strawman-ish approach by suggesting that anyone who might not think the sun shines out of Sturgeon, Leitch and the rest of the cast's collective backsides is somehow a UJ-waving die-hard Tory voter. 

 

It's lazy nonsense, which I've said before on this thread.

 

I'm an SNP and independence supporter who has been a huge fan of Sturgeon up until now. She's not been good on this but I do believe she think she's doing the right thing so I won't turn my back on her for that but she is currently undeserving of praise. Leitch comes across terribly unfortunately.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Taffin

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

It's lazy nonsense, which I've said before on this thread.

 

I'm an SNP and independence supporter who has been a huge fan of Sturgeon up until now. She's not been good on this but I do believe she think she's doing the right thing so I won't turn my back on her for that but she is currently undeserving of praise imo. Leitch comes across terribly unfortunately.

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Taffin
Double post, new button placement 🤦‍♂️

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

That’s not true though, so not very scary actually. Over 200,000 more SNP votes than Leave votes

 

Out of interest, do you know how do they work that out? Is it done on place of birth or self identification?

[Taffin]

8 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Sorry I assumed he meant people voting in Scotland, so only based on location of vote cast. 

Ah cool. That's a bit easier to work out 👍

[Nucky Thompson]

19 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

That’s not true though, so not very scary actually. Over 200,000 more SNP votes than Leave votes

It's not true but not over 200,000

 

2016 Holyrood election, SNP votes 1,059,898

Scottish people voting for Brexit 1,018,322

 

 

 

 

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

And more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP at the last election.  That too, is scary for some on this thread.

 

I showed that this claim was untrue a few days ago.

 

Scottish votes to leave the EU in 2016: 1,018,322 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results).

 

Scottish votes for SNP in the 2019 UK general election: 1,242,380 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election).

 

Come on Enzo, a bit of research please...

[AlphonseCapone]

27 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's not true but not over 200,000

 

2016 Holyrood election, SNP votes 1,059,898

Scottish people voting for Brexit 1,018,322

 

 

 

 

 

You're out of date apparently.... 

 

11 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I showed that this claim was untrue a few days ago.

 

Scottish votes to leave the EU in 2016: 1,018,322 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results).

 

Scottish votes for SNP in the 2019 UK general election: 1,242,380 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election).

 

Come on Enzo, a bit of research please...

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

And more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP at the last election.  That too, is scary for some on this thread.

Not really as it’s a completely different thing, unlike Brexit voters choosing the Tories in England last year. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, Brian Dundas said:

That’s not true though, so not very scary actually. Over 200,000 more SNP votes than Leave votes

My mistake.  It was the 2017 election the stat referred to. I'd forgotten about Boris's landslide win last December. 

[Enzo Chiefo]

27 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I showed that this claim was untrue a few days ago.

 

Scottish votes to leave the EU in 2016: 1,018,322 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results).

 

Scottish votes for SNP in the 2019 UK general election: 1,242,380 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election).

 

Come on Enzo, a bit of research please...

I was slightly out of date red. It was the 2017 election.  Not last years one where the red wall came tumbling down. 😎