Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Heartsmad1874]

 

[westbow]

9 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Is that the Swedish rationale?

I found this quite interesting. This is just a excerpt from a great article:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

 

"In reality, although Sweden joins many other countries in failing to protect elderly populations in congregate-living facilities, its measures that target super-spreading have been stricter than many other European countries. Although it did not have a complete lockdown, as Kucharski pointed out to me, Sweden imposed a 50-person limit on indoor gatherings in March, and did not remove the cap even as many other European countries eased such restrictions after beating back the first wave. (Many are once again restricting gathering sizes after seeing a resurgence.) Plus, the country has a small household size and fewer multigenerational households compared with most of Europe, which further limits transmission and cluster possibilities. It kept schools fully open without distancing or masks, but only for children under 16, who are unlikely to be super-spreaders of this disease. Both transmission and illness risks go up with age, and Sweden went all online for higher-risk high-school and university students—the opposite of what we did in the United States. It also encouraged social-distancing, and closed down indoor places that failed to observe the rules. From an overdispersion and super-spreading point of view, Sweden would not necessarily be classified as among the most lax countries, but nor is it the most strict. It simply doesn’t deserve this oversize place in our debates assessing different strategies."

[graygo]

59 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

I was the same but not had any booze delivered now for a couple of months, starting back up on Friday. 😁

 

Now thinking about one of those Beerhawk pumps.

 

36 minutes ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said:

This is the way forward people! 
Meet the Blade beer machine...a thing of beauty producing 15 pints of lovely chilled lager for £26.

Mark my words it will be the must have purchase this year.

I love it, get pished in yer bubble for less than £2 a pint.

 

👍

[joondalupjambo]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

The first lockdown brought home just how much cheaper it is to drink at home. And quite often more pleasant.

 Yep but sure you know that we go to the boozers here to socialise, to keep warm and to stay dry and fir the batnz ☺️  Drinking the same at home but change this time round could be speeded up because of the Covid rather than saving cash.  Not saying that we should be scared of the Covid more just that it is a reason why we may change.  Change is the hardest thing to make happen but this time round it may just be that bit easier as people feel they want to change.

 

Or is that all just poo and way too deep?  😊

[Victorian]

I feel sorry for the business owners who will be bearing the cost of this.   I feel sorry for all the workers who will lose wages,  even worse jobs.   These people are becoming collateral victims.   It's unfair and,  very perversely,  they're bearing the brunt in the name of helping all of us,  some of whom are actively damaging the efforts.   

 

Do I feel sorry for anyone 'inconvenienced' by not being able to go for a drink or meal?    No I do not.   What kind of ****ing society are we?

[1971fozzy]

So students who finish their isolation can come home ? That’s what I’m hearing

[westbow]

7 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Not a bit.   The only route to a referendum is to achieve a majority at Holyrood.   Any future referendum will require maximum support being carried on.   Especially if the franchise is widened to Scots born people living in England,  etc.   

 

We may soon see any chance of the SNP delivering independence disappearing up in smoke.   That will not prevent Sturgeon from taking decisions she thinks are right.   

Disagree. They have enough permanent voters to see them through.

[N Lincs Jambo]

5 hours ago, graygo said:

 

Also a different German view from the one posted earlier.

 

 

 

Cheers for posting that Graygo. It completely blows this scam clean out of the water. I listened to it from start to finish and would thoroughly recommend it to anyone with an open mind.

[graygo]

41 minutes ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said:

This is the way forward people! 
Meet the Blade beer machine...a thing of beauty producing 15 pints of lovely chilled lager for £26.

Mark my words it will be the must have purchase this year.

I love it, get pished in yer bubble for less than £2 a pint.

 

Seltoot. ☹️

 

 

[theshed]

1 minute ago, 1971fozzy said:

So students who finish their isolation can come home ? That’s what I’m hearing

They will be to busy drinking and shagging this weekend to go home 

[Victorian]

The government has to throw the kitchen sink at building up a real testing regime.   Not the pathetic,  negligent,  criminal effort so far.    Tot up the furlough money paid out so far,  match it,  spend it all on testing capacity.

[1971fozzy]

Just now, theshed said:

They will be to busy drinking and shagging this weekend to go home 

Glasgow uni students can’t after Friday 6pm

[westbow]

2 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

So students who finish their isolation can come home ? That’s what I’m hearing

Yes but their families have to isolate when they do.

[theshed]

43 minutes ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said:

This is the way forward people! 
Meet the Blade beer machine...a thing of beauty producing 15 pints of lovely chilled lager for £26.

Mark my words it will be the must have purchase this year.

I love it, get pished in yer bubble for less than £2 a pint.

Come Xmas only the people that still have a job can afford one of those. 
The rest will be on the home brew 
 

Out of interest do you notice the difference having a drink from your machine and one from the bottles you buy in supermarkets 

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, westbow said:

Disagree. They have enough permanent voters to see them through.

 

They'll need north of 60% of the popular vote to get a majority at Holyrood.   The notional referendum franchise to include Scots living in England stands at 50% support for independence.    They just do not have the support they need.

[joondalupjambo]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

I feel sorry for the business owners who will be bearing the cost of this.   I feel sorry for all the workers who will lose wages,  even worse jobs.   These people are becoming collateral victims.   It's unfair and,  very perversely,  they're bearing the brunt in the name of helping all of us,  some of whom are actively damaging the efforts.   

 

Do I feel sorry for anyone 'inconvenienced' by not being able to go for a drink or meal?    No I do not.   What kind of ****ing society are we?

 Yep totally agree,.  I live in a small village where the local pub owner has done everything and more to meet the safe standards required after he re-opened.  The problem now is outside the restricted zones, has a traditional pub that is small and does not serve food, other than toasties and has only a few outside tables.  He now cannot service booze unless it is outside after 6.00pm and on that basis he cannot bring in enough cash over the next 16 days to justify staying open.  His option is to remain open, pay two staffper shift  and act as a community cafe so folk have somewhere to go during the day.  The guy is a business not a charity and so of course he is now thinking I need to just close for the period in question.

 

Problem he has is because he is outside the central belt will be attract any financial support if he does that?  I guess because he is not in a hotspot he will not, not sure though but if not what a kick in the hee haws.

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

 Yep totally agree,.  I live in a small village where the local pub owner has done everything and more to meet the safe standards required after he re-opened.  The problem now is outside the restricted zones, has a traditional pub that is small and does not serve food, other than toasties and has only a few outside tables.  He now cannot service booze unless it is outside after 6.00pm and on that basis he cannot bring in enough cash over the next 16 days to justify staying open.  His option is to remain open, pay two staffper shift  and act as a community cafe so folk have somewhere to go during the day.  The guy is a business not a charity and so of course he is now thinking I need to just close for the period in question.

 

Problem he has is because he is outside the central belt will be attract any financial support if he does that?  I guess because he is not in a hotspot he will not, not sure though but if not what a kick in the hee haws.

 

All to achieve a benefit for other people,  some of whom can't dredge up the sense of responsibility of a housefly.

[joondalupjambo]

5 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

Glasgow uni students can’t after Friday 6pm

 Not sure.  They can travel if they really need to.  Is going home to Mummy with dirty washing a necessity, could be 😊

[Victorian]

Young team and/or schemie jolly boys outings to areas outside of the tougher measures?    You betcha.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Victorian

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

Glasgow uni students can’t after Friday 6pm

They can, but only outside  with one other person and from 2m apart.

 

 

[westbow]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

They'll need north of 60% of the popular vote to get a majority at Holyrood.   The notional referendum franchise to include Scots living in England stands at 50% support for independence.    They just do not have the support they need.

They will stay at around the same as they got the last time and be propped up by the Greens. So it will do them no harm.

[Heartsmad1874]

9 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The government has to throw the kitchen sink at building up a real testing regime.   Not the pathetic,  negligent,  criminal effort so far.    Tot up the furlough money paid out so far,  match it,  spend it all on testing capacity.

What about extending the furlough scheme or some financial help to those they've just shafted? 

Or maybe those out of a job can be given a contact tracing job since Rishi is so keen for those with unviable jobs to learn new skills.

 

 

[Francis Albert]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Young team and/or schemie jolly boys outings to areas outside of the tougher measures?    You betcha.

Or people who can afford to book a hotel out of town. Or in town for that matter.

 

"Schemie" boys.

 

Really?

 

Speaking as an ex- Schemie boy 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Heartsmad1874 said:

What about extending the furlough scheme or some financial help to those they've just shafted? 

Or maybe those out of a job can be given a contact tracing job since Rishi is so keen for those with unviable jobs to learn new skills.

 

 

 

A bit of joined up thinking would be to target these people losing jobs into a proper contact tracer army.    

[Jeff]

14 minutes ago, Victorian said:

The government has to throw the kitchen sink at building up a real testing regime.   Not the pathetic,  negligent,  criminal effort so far.    Tot up the furlough money paid out so far,  match it,  spend it all on testing capacity.

 

Lock the borders as well

[graygo]

3 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Or people who can afford to book a hotel out of town. Or in town for that matter.

 

"Schemie" boys.

 

Really?

 

Speaking as an ex- Schemie boy 

 

They won't get a drink after 6pm if in the central belt even in a hotel.

 

Edit: not that you said otherwise.

Edited October 7, 2020 by graygo

[Francis Albert]

2 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

Did NS say that 25% of all people testing positive had reported going to some type of hospitality venuue in the previous 14 days. So an indeterminate amount of 25% is the reason for closing the industry. Sounds reasonable.

So 75% didn't report going to hospitality. Get the 75% down to the pub quick.

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Or people who can afford to book a hotel out of town. Or in town for that matter.

 

"Schemie" boys.

 

Really?

 

Speaking as an ex- Schemie boy 

 

I mean,  I think there will be instances of organised jaunts to pubs outside of the central belt.    Of course there will be prefectly normal bookings made by responsible people.   I'm talking about those who can't stomach the thought of having to stay out of the pub for a few weeks.   

Edited October 7, 2020 by Victorian

[Francis Albert]

4 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

They won't get a drink after 6pm if in the central belt even in a hotel.

Wow.

 

Still a couple of bottles from the local supermarket ...

 

And if the hotel is outside the controlled zone ...

 

It is quite insane.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Francis Albert

[Francis Albert]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

I mean,  I think there will be instances of organised jaunts to pubs outside of the central belt.    Of course there will be prefectly normal bookings made by responsible people.   I'm talking about those who can't stomach the thought of having to stay out of the pub for a few weeks.   

Ah the world divides into "perfectly normal" "responsible people" and us Schemie Boys. Gotcha.

[SE16 3LN]

6 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

So 75% didn't report going to hospitality. Get the 75% down to the pub quick.

😀

[Victorian]

Just now, Francis Albert said:

Ah the world divides into "perfectly normal" "responsible people" and us Schemie Boys. Gotcha.

 

Oh good heavens.   

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I agree SNP walk next election, even if their handling of this crisis is unpopular. Probably not as big as last time but still more than enough, 

 

Mainly due to lab being a joke and the tories always be unpalatable to a large chunk of this country.

 

Libs/Green etc are irrelevance except that support will likely be need to prop a minority govt. 

 

Though it’s really hard to predict anything SNP and NS about a month ago couldn’t be flying higher in terms of leader approval and polls. 
 

As we are all realising the world can change pretty quickly,

 

SNP are in a minority.   They need a majority to fully legitimise another demand for a referendum.    

 

I'm not suprised some people would concede the SNP have enough support to be able to afford some lost votes.   To admit that the SNP cannot afford to lose votes basically kyboshes the notion that the SNP is all about political advantage.

[SE16 3LN]

18 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Rumours U.K. and other devolved govt to announce similar to Scotland. Not sure I believe that considering the way Sunak and Bojo been talking recently. 

Its coming

[Heartsmad1874]

3 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Here’s an idea. Raise taxes so that Scots pay more than those south of the border.

Oh wait, hang on a minute.................

I'm lucky i'm in a job right now that has work coming out of its ears. But i feel very sorry for those who are worrying about how they are going to pay bills and its especially tough for families 2 months before Christmas facing redundancies.

[Dawnrazor]

This tickled me!

 

[steve123]

8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Let’s just supposing I wanted a night out with the wife

 

Could I book into hotel in and pretty much have dinner and drinks as I would on any other night ie. get a meal an alcohol passed 6 but just in hotel?

 

Also could we meet up with another couple who might want to do similar. 

No unfortunately not, no alcohol after 6 even in hotel.

Edited October 7, 2020 by steve123

[hughesie27]

1 hour ago, 1874robbo said:

Personally myself I’d shield the most vulnerable and let the rest get on with it.

That would be quite effective of getting hers immunity I would imagine but would also take time and ultimately lead to people not being able to see their parents, in care or otherwise, for months. Over winter as well when the elderly need a bit more kf a helping hand. I wouldnt be against that idea though.

57 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Insist on mandatory mask wearing in all indoor settings.  Enforced. No mask,no entry. Supermarkets, buses, everywhere. If you're exempt, you produce a card to prove that exemption. Student halls closed and all students sent home after a mandatory test. It won't pick up all cases but it is a guide. More police enforcement in order to break up house parties and mass gatherings. 

It would be handy to see the most recent age demographic of cases to see just how much the Uni students are contributing to this. Presumably we will see a very sharp drop off in cases withing the next 2 months once it works it way through all the halls? Perhaps thats part of the long term plan to avoid young people being super spreaders further down the line?

 

I agree that increased mask wearing would be an easy and likely effective measure to introduce. One that seems to have been implemented across a lot of Europe ages ago.

[hughesie27]

11 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Let’s just supposing I wanted a night out with the wife

 

Could I book into hotel in and pretty much have dinner and drinks as I would on any other night ie. get a meal an alcohol passed 6 but just in hotel?

 

Also could we meet up with another couple who might want to do similar. 

Yes.

[Pans Jambo]

53 minutes ago, Normthebarman said:

If anything, the inability for the SG to borrow money for these latest rules is an argument for independence. Clearly, our elected government has a strategy to fight Covid but are reliant on WM to fund it. If furlough was still in place, which NS has said would be her preferred option, this latest announcement wouldn't be so bad. 

I agree. 
How much has WM spent on Furlough? Around £14Bn?

I think they bailed out the bankers 11 years ago for about £350Bn. 
Seems fair!

Edited October 7, 2020 by Pans Jambo

[JudyJudyJudy]

I feel for the manager of " Dickens" who has made a massive effort with various precautions in his pub. Shields up everywhere, rigid policy of how many can be in the pub, temperature taken when you go in , name and number etc.  He will be devastated like so many others.  The 40 million aid wont put a dent in the carnage to follow from this. And don't forget NS said that this may be extended if the figures dont go down. 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

That’s more a result of system though, 

 

No political parties wants to loose votes but they should be popular enough to survive. The govts of the day are in the main on a hiding to nothing to COVID, it hard objectively say it’s been handled well. Bojo has suffered similar down south.

 

I’m just commenting on likliehood outcome as opposed to opinion on politicking.

 

Though talk of the SNP or NS demise seem massively overblown to me. 

 

There's a clear,  staged pathway to independence.   Every bit of support is vital to the SNP.   There's talk of an extended franchise in a referendum which wipes out their lead in that poll.

 

 

[Francis Albert]

8 minutes ago, steve123 said:

No unfortunately not, no alcohol after 6 even in hotel.

Only if your hotel is in the restricted zone?

Edited October 7, 2020 by Francis Albert

[hughesie27]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

And don't forget NS said that this may be extended if the figures dont go down. 

Where did she say this?

I assumed it would be the case but my take away from her statement was actually more in line with her saying that this is basically a 1 and done. Of course if cases drastically increase anyway that can change. The furlough scheme ends at the end of the month so locking down entire sectors will be even harder than now. 

 

Also, the 16 days of closure won't even be enough time to see any effects/results. It will be a month before we see any drop off from this.

Edited October 7, 2020 by hughesie27

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, hughesie27 said:

Where did she say this?

I assumed it would be the case but my take away from her statement was actually more in line with her saying that this is basically a 1 and done. Of course if cases drastically increase anyway that can change. The furlough scheme ends at the end of the month so locking down entire sectors will be even harder than now. 

 

Also, the 16 days of closure won't even be enough time to see any effects/results. It will be a month before we see any drop off from this.

The reporter Colin Mckay  ( Stv news) concluded his report regarding the news today with that information. 

[steve123]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

If your hotel is in the restricted zone?

Yea, they are allowed to sell food but not alcohol after 6 in restricted zone.

 

[Victorian]

Just now, hughesie27 said:

Where did she say this?

I assumed it would be the case but my take away from her statement was actually more in line with her saying that this is basically a 1 and done. Of course if cases drastically increase anyway that can change. The furlough scheme ends at the end of the month so locking down entire sectors will be even harder than now. 

 

Also, the 16 days of closure won't even be enough time to see any effects/results. It will be a mo the before we see any drop off from this.

 

Correct.   As ever,  the effect will translate from the cause on a lagged basis.   Case numbers will undoubtedly be much higher on day 16 of the measures,  but the intent is that the 16 days of measures will show at some point after that.   The unintended consequence may be that case numbers rise again in relation what people get up to once the pubs open again.    

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I feel for the manager of " Dickens" who has made a massive effort with various precautions in his pub. Shields up everywhere, rigid policy of how many can be in the pub, temperature taken when you go in , name and number etc.  He will be devastated like so many others.  The 40 million aid wont put a dent in the carnage to follow from this. And don't forget NS said that this may be extended if the figures dont go down. 

Same with my local. Done everything required. Checked by the council periodically.

A travesty.

[Irufushi]

1 hour ago, Tambo_The_Jambo said:

This is the way forward people! 
Meet the Blade beer machine...a thing of beauty producing 15 pints of lovely chilled lager for £26.

Mark my words it will be the must have purchase this year.

I love it, get pished in yer bubble for less than £2 a pint.

👍🍻

[Heartsmad1874]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Correct.   As ever,  the effect will translate from the cause on a lagged basis.   Case numbers will undoubtedly be much higher on day 16 of the measures,  but the intent is that the 16 days of measures will show at some point after that.   The unintended consequence may be that case numbers rise again in relation what people get up to once the pubs open again.    

Whats happens then if your last part does come to fruition? Its not a sustainable strategy going forward.