Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

You can't and it's not just the UK, there is no country on Earth which knows the full extent of the number of cases they have of this virus.

I know that mate what I'm saying is for example Glasgow has 841 cases were all they cases tested or, is it done with people phoning up and saying they have symptoms?. 

[redjambo]

Just now, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

You can't and it's not just the UK, there is no country on Earth which knows the full extent of the number of cases they have of this virus.

 

I would be surprised if the Vatican City hasn't tested everyone given the number of elderly folk there. Might be a slight outlier though.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I know that mate what I'm saying is for example Glasgow has 841 cases were all they cases tested or, is it done with people phoning up and saying they have symptoms?. 

 

One "infection" equals one person who has tested positive for coronavirus.

[Spellczech]

2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Thanks 👍is it only nhs staff though?. 

I assume it is pretty much anyone who cannot get to hosptial or testing place by car on their own. Cannot ask people with symptoms to endanger a taxi driver. Cannot send an ambulance unless you are so poorly you need admitted to hospital. Apparently cannot take the test to the sick people...Certainly this was the case a week ago when the nurse in question got ill.

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

One "infection" equals one person who has tested positive for coronavirus.

They are tested though yeah? 

[redjambo]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

They are tested though yeah? 

 

Yup.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

 

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

They are tested though yeah? 

 

In hospital I think.

 

[hughesie27]

786 new deaths today.  Though slightly skewed by the inflated Scottish figures.

[GinRummy]

7 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I know that mate what I'm saying is for example Glasgow has 841 cases were all they cases tested or, is it done with people phoning up and saying they have symptoms?. 

Those self isolating with symptoms won’t be tested which means, imo, the confirmed cases figure is an utter nonsense. What is the point of it other than to mislead the public. 

[kingantti1874]

The number of new cases is a better indication that mitigation is working than the number of new deaths given the delay.. 

 

in that regard, the number of new cases is encouraging in that it’s not growing. 

[AlimOzturk]

4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

786 new deaths today.  Though slightly skewed by the inflated Scottish figures.

 

854  I read 

[DETTY29]

The govt got a little bit of a 'messaged' kicking today on Radio Scotland just after noon.

 

Health correspondent on saying that when anyone comes out of ICU they need to go through a proper period of rehabilitation.  Johnson just cant go back early or he could relapse.

 

This then brought in the Deputy Political Editor, Norman Smith.  Now he should be being impartial and I don't know his personal political leanings but watch out for a name* he mentions. I'd imagine however this is a wider feeling among political commentators across the workings of this government.  Whether they will go public is another matter.

 

Along lines of:-

 

No proper succession planning.

Rabb has no real power.  Committee of equals.

No deputy prime minister (note last one was Nick Clegg however so May didn't have one either)

Johnson therefore was a single point if failure

Perhaps time for a coalition of heavy weight politicians to come and help out towards dictating.  Notably ex PMs (Gordon Brown directly mentioned) to lead work streams such as PPE, testing and so on which are currently all over over the place.

 

About half an hour later an ex Theresa May aide was on and was asked about conflicts within cabinets and agreed there will be conflicts just now for personal power grab.  Not anything new there whether it be Westminster or Holyrood governing parties .

 

My take was without saying so, Smith was alluding that the current government personnel isn't close to an acceptable level of competence.

[DETTY29]

26 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Yes, they will. A study has shown that these only account for 5% of total coronavirus-related deaths though (sorry, I've forgotten where I read that), as far as we can tell without extensive testing of all those deceased, so that won't make a significant difference to the stats.

 

 

That's comforting news, the low percentages anyway.

Edited April 7, 2020 by DETTY29

[Spellczech]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

The number of new cases is a better indication that mitigation is working than the number of new deaths given the delay.. 

 

in that regard, the number of new cases is encouraging in that it’s not growing. 

I'd say the opposite. The number of deaths is the most accurate number, but it is not accurate. The other figures are less accurate. We are not testing enough in the UK to have accurate figures on pretty much anything...which is why it is all this talk of testing and reversing the lockdown are utter nonsense. 

 

Focus should still be on catching up for the stuff not done in Jan & Feb ie PPE and ventilators. We've missed the boat entirely on testing...Only good thing is that someone managed to get the Govt to start taking things seriously very quickly in mid-March and get the lockdown done, however imperfectly...

[Bongo 1874]

7 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Those self isolating with symptoms won’t be tested which means, imo, the confirmed cases figure is an utter nonsense. What is the point of it other than to mislead the public. 

That's the way i see it as well but i could be wrong?. 

[Bongo 1874]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/drive-thru-coronavirus-testing-introduced-western-general-hosptial-2005152%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwjEh4HL0dboAhUahlwKHf5vAPwQFjACegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2Jg_MReF8pmN3b-0gSPuHz&ampcf=1

[redjambo]

9 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Those self isolating with symptoms won’t be tested which means, imo, the confirmed cases figure is an utter nonsense. What is the point of it other than to mislead the public. 

 

The raw figures are pretty much useless, to be honest.

 

However, as long as the methodology remains constant, any changes in the figures are indicative to a certain extent. So, for example, if the "infected" figure continues to reflect the number of folk who become seriously ill enough to enter hospital and subsequently test positive, and we don't change the bar for such hospital admissions or the testing procedure thereon, then any changes in the figure are indicative of whether the problem is increasing or decreasing. It's like looking at the top of an iceberg that's growing upwards (or hopefully shrinking later on). You don't know how much is below the surface, but you do know that it grew more this week than it grew last week. If that makes any sense.

[East Lothian Jambo]

21 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

The govt got a little bit of a 'messaged' kicking today on Radio Scotland just after noon.

 

Health correspondent on saying that when anyone comes out of ICU they need to go through a proper period of rehabilitation.  Johnson just cant go back early or he could relapse.

 

This then brought in the Deputy Political Editor, Norman Smith.  Now he should be being impartial and I don't know his personal political leanings but watch out for a name* he mentions. I'd imagine however this is a wider feeling among political commentators across the workings of this government.  Whether they will go public is another matter.

 

Along lines of:-

 

No proper succession planning.

Rabb has no real power.  Committee of equals.

No deputy prime minister (note last one was Nick Clegg however so May didn't have one either)

Johnson therefore was a single point if failure

Perhaps time for a coalition of heavy weight politicians to come and help out towards dictating.  Notably ex PMs (Gordon Brown directly mentioned) to lead work streams such as PPE, testing and so on which are currently all over over the place.

 

About half an hour later an ex Theresa May aide was on and was asked about conflicts within cabinets and agreed there will be conflicts just now for personal power grab.  Not anything new there whether it be Westminster or Holyrood governing parties .

 

My take was without saying so, Smith was alluding that the current government personnel isn't close to an acceptable level of competence.

When you take a look at Hancock,  Raab, Gove and the truly odious Patel, it's hard to argue 

[redjambo]

23 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

786 new deaths today.  Though slightly skewed by the inflated Scottish figures.

 

18 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

854  I read 

 

Due to the Department of Health's time cut-off.

 

Sorry that it's a link to the Daily Mail. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8196183/UKs-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-record-high-854-day-6-227-known-victims.html

[DETTY29]

Just now, East Lothian Jambo said:

When you take a look at Hancock,  Raab, Gove and the truly odious Patel, it's hard to argue 

Hancock and Rabb, incompetent

Patel, incompetent and nasty

Gove, probably just about nearing average competence but nasty and slimey.

[The Roller]

1 minute ago, DETTY29 said:

Hancock and Rabb, incompetent

Patel, incompetent and nasty

Gove, probably just about nearing average competence but nasty and slimey.

Raab is the nastiest of the lot.

[Cade]

Starmer could take over and lead a unity govt until shagger is back on his feet

 

[DETTY29]

Just now, The Roller said:

Raab is the nastiest of the lot.

Lose track.

[Tommy Brown]

1 hour ago, highlandjambo3 said:

India...... one of the most populated countries in the world (just a smidgen behind China) is very quiet at the moment.  More people in Deli than the population of the UK.....social distancing, I doubt it.

 

The Indian public are now known to attacking health workers, I read it first then seen footage on the news of two getting chased and stoned.

 

We clap them, they attack them.

[GinRummy]

29 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

That's the way i see it as well but i could be wrong?. 

 

22 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

The raw figures are pretty much useless, to be honest.

 

However, as long as the methodology remains constant, any changes in the figures are indicative to a certain extent. So, for example, if the "infected" figure continues to reflect the number of folk who become seriously ill enough to enter hospital and subsequently test positive, and we don't change the bar for such hospital admissions or the testing procedure thereon, then any changes in the figure are indicative of whether the problem is increasing or decreasing. It's like looking at the top of an iceberg that's growing upwards (or hopefully shrinking later on). You don't know how much is below the surface, but you do know that it grew more this week than it grew last week. If that makes any sense.

Good comparison. I’m fairly angry at the lack of tests tbh. There are so many factors that can skew the figures but your point is valid. Just very disappointed that a rich country like ours can manage to test so few people. Imagine how much more of an understanding we’d have about what was going on if we could have everyone with symptoms getting tested but we can’t even manage to get healthcare workers tested. 

Edited April 7, 2020 by GinRummy

[The Roller]

10 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Lose track.

A horrible, nasty, human being.

 

 

 

[pablo]

Do you have to be a sitting MP to be on the cabinet of Unity Government. In theory could put together old senior politicians like Blair and Brown, Cameron and Clegg, draft in Sturgeon and Starmer and give them specific areas of responsibility? 

[East Lothian Jambo]

13 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Hancock and Rabb, incompetent

Patel, incompetent and nasty

Gove, probably just about nearing average competence but nasty and slimey.

Patel is just the most odious thing out there. Awful human being 

 

Gove always strikes me as someone who perhaps ought to have his hard drive checked 

[DETTY29]

5 minutes ago, pablo said:

Do you have to be a sitting MP to be on the cabinet of Unity Government. In theory could put together old senior politicians like Blair and Brown, Cameron and Clegg, draft in Sturgeon and Starmer and give them specific areas of responsibility? 

Just appoint to House of Lords - Nicky Morgan and Zac Goldsmith of late.

[Mikey1874]

Chris Whitty accepts Germany has done better at testing and they aim to "learn the lessons". 

[Ricardo Shillyshally]

Robert peston isn't half a smarmy prick

[flecktimus]

We are only 3 days away from Italy's peak. 

	Itally			Uk
	Deaths			Deaths		Differrance
22-Feb	1		#VALUE!	2	07-Mar	-1
23-Feb	2	1	1	3	08-Mar	-1
24-Feb	3	1	2	5	09-Mar	-2
25-Feb	7	4	1	6	10-Mar	1
26-Feb	12	5	2	8	11-Mar	4
27-Feb	17	5	2	10	12-Mar	7
28-Feb	21	4	1	11	13-Mar	10
29-Feb	29	8	10	21	14-Mar	8
01-Mar	34	5	14	35	15-Mar	-1
02-Mar	52	18	20	55	16-Mar	-3
03-Mar	79	27	16	71	17-Mar	8
04-Mar	107	28	33	104	18-Mar	3
05-Mar	148	41	40	144	19-Mar	4
06-Mar	197	49	33	177	20-Mar	20
07-Mar	233	36	56	233	21-Mar	0
08-Mar	366	133	48	281	22-Mar	85
09-Mar	463	97	54	335	23-Mar	128
10-Mar	631	168	87	422	24-Mar	209
11-Mar	827	196	41	463	25-Mar	364
12-Mar	1015	188	115	578	26-Mar	437
13-Mar	1266	251	181	759	27-Mar	507
14-Mar	1441	175	260	1019	28-Mar	422
15-Mar	1809	368	209	1228	29-Mar	581
16-Mar	2158	349	180	1408	30-Mar	750
17-Mar	2503	345	381	1789	31-Mar	714
18-Mar	2979	476	563	2352	01-Apr	627
19-Mar	3405	426	569	2921	02-Apr	484
20-Mar	4032	627	684	3605	03-Apr	427
21-Mar	4825	793	708	4313	04-Apr	512
22-Mar	5476	651	621	4934	05-Apr	542
23-Mar	6077	601	439	5373	06-Apr	704
24-Mar	6820	743	786	6159	07-Apr	661
25-Mar	7503	683			08-Apr
26-Mar	8215	712			09-Apr
27-Mar	9134	919			10-Apr
28-Mar	10023	889			11-Apr
29-Mar	10779	756			12-Apr
30-Mar	11591	812			13-Apr
31-Mar	12428	837			14-Apr
01-Apr	13155	727			15-Apr
02-Apr	13915	760			16-Apr
03-Apr	14681	766
04-Apr	15362	681
05-Apr	15887	525
06-Apr	16523	636
07-Apr	17127	604

[hughesie27]

 

3 minutes ago, flecktimus said:

We are only 3 days away from Italy's peak. 

	Itally			Uk
	Deaths			Deaths		Differrance
22-Feb	1		#VALUE!	2	07-Mar	-1
23-Feb	2	1	1	3	08-Mar	-1
24-Feb	3	1	2	5	09-Mar	-2
25-Feb	7	4	1	6	10-Mar	1
26-Feb	12	5	2	8	11-Mar	4
27-Feb	17	5	2	10	12-Mar	7
28-Feb	21	4	1	11	13-Mar	10
29-Feb	29	8	10	21	14-Mar	8
01-Mar	34	5	14	35	15-Mar	-1
02-Mar	52	18	20	55	16-Mar	-3
03-Mar	79	27	16	71	17-Mar	8
04-Mar	107	28	33	104	18-Mar	3
05-Mar	148	41	40	144	19-Mar	4
06-Mar	197	49	33	177	20-Mar	20
07-Mar	233	36	56	233	21-Mar	0
08-Mar	366	133	48	281	22-Mar	85
09-Mar	463	97	54	335	23-Mar	128
10-Mar	631	168	87	422	24-Mar	209
11-Mar	827	196	41	463	25-Mar	364
12-Mar	1015	188	115	578	26-Mar	437
13-Mar	1266	251	181	759	27-Mar	507
14-Mar	1441	175	260	1019	28-Mar	422
15-Mar	1809	368	209	1228	29-Mar	581
16-Mar	2158	349	180	1408	30-Mar	750
17-Mar	2503	345	381	1789	31-Mar	714
18-Mar	2979	476	563	2352	01-Apr	627
19-Mar	3405	426	569	2921	02-Apr	484
20-Mar	4032	627	684	3605	03-Apr	427
21-Mar	4825	793	708	4313	04-Apr	512
22-Mar	5476	651	621	4934	05-Apr	542
23-Mar	6077	601	439	5373	06-Apr	704
24-Mar	6820	743	786	6159	07-Apr	661
25-Mar	7503	683			08-Apr
26-Mar	8215	712			09-Apr
27-Mar	9134	919			10-Apr
28-Mar	10023	889			11-Apr
29-Mar	10779	756			12-Apr
30-Mar	11591	812			13-Apr
31-Mar	12428	837			14-Apr
01-Apr	13155	727			15-Apr
02-Apr	13915	760			16-Apr
03-Apr	14681	766
04-Apr	15362	681
05-Apr	15887	525
06-Apr	16523	636
07-Apr	17127	604

That's not really displaying properly on my phone. Able to tease out the info on Italys peak?

I assume you are suggesting that we are going to end up worse than them?

[Pasquale for King]

49 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/drive-thru-coronavirus-testing-introduced-western-general-hosptial-2005152%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwjEh4HL0dboAhUahlwKHf5vAPwQFjACegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2Jg_MReF8pmN3b-0gSPuHz&ampcf=1

It’s a great idea, I don’t drive can someone give me a lift?

You will unfortunately get a few hypochondriacs that go regularly because they’re determined that they’ve have it. 

[RobboM]

57 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

The govt got a little bit of a 'messaged' kicking today on Radio Scotland just after noon.

 

.......

 

My take was without saying so, Smith was alluding that the current government personnel isn't close to an acceptable level of competence.

... and entirley self inflicted.

Even within the Tory talent pool Johnson sacked experienced and talented cabinet members when he took over and appointed a series of Brexit nodding dogs in their place.
 

[Tommy Brown]

8 minutes ago, flecktimus said:

We are only 3 days away from Italy's peak. 

	Itally			Uk
	Deaths			Deaths		Differrance
22-Feb	1		#VALUE!	2	07-Mar	-1
23-Feb	2	1	1	3	08-Mar	-1
24-Feb	3	1	2	5	09-Mar	-2
25-Feb	7	4	1	6	10-Mar	1
26-Feb	12	5	2	8	11-Mar	4
27-Feb	17	5	2	10	12-Mar	7
28-Feb	21	4	1	11	13-Mar	10
29-Feb	29	8	10	21	14-Mar	8
01-Mar	34	5	14	35	15-Mar	-1
02-Mar	52	18	20	55	16-Mar	-3
03-Mar	79	27	16	71	17-Mar	8
04-Mar	107	28	33	104	18-Mar	3
05-Mar	148	41	40	144	19-Mar	4
06-Mar	197	49	33	177	20-Mar	20
07-Mar	233	36	56	233	21-Mar	0
08-Mar	366	133	48	281	22-Mar	85
09-Mar	463	97	54	335	23-Mar	128
10-Mar	631	168	87	422	24-Mar	209
11-Mar	827	196	41	463	25-Mar	364
12-Mar	1015	188	115	578	26-Mar	437
13-Mar	1266	251	181	759	27-Mar	507
14-Mar	1441	175	260	1019	28-Mar	422
15-Mar	1809	368	209	1228	29-Mar	581
16-Mar	2158	349	180	1408	30-Mar	750
17-Mar	2503	345	381	1789	31-Mar	714
18-Mar	2979	476	563	2352	01-Apr	627
19-Mar	3405	426	569	2921	02-Apr	484
20-Mar	4032	627	684	3605	03-Apr	427
21-Mar	4825	793	708	4313	04-Apr	512
22-Mar	5476	651	621	4934	05-Apr	542
23-Mar	6077	601	439	5373	06-Apr	704
24-Mar	6820	743	786	6159	07-Apr	661
25-Mar	7503	683			08-Apr
26-Mar	8215	712			09-Apr
27-Mar	9134	919			10-Apr
28-Mar	10023	889			11-Apr
29-Mar	10779	756			12-Apr
30-Mar	11591	812			13-Apr
31-Mar	12428	837			14-Apr
01-Apr	13155	727			15-Apr
02-Apr	13915	760			16-Apr
03-Apr	14681	766
04-Apr	15362	681
05-Apr	15887	525
06-Apr	16523	636
07-Apr	17127	604

 

And over two weeks behind, we've ****ed it up.

we are on a trajectory of france and Spain.

 

And yes @hughesie27 we woill outdeath Italy

Edited April 7, 2020 by Tommy Brown

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, Ricardo Shillyshally said:

Robert peston isn't half a smarmy prick

Did it take this long for you to realise that Ricardo? Another sycophant of this government.

[DETTY29]

1 minute ago, RobboM said:

... and entirley self inflicted.

Even within the Tory talent pool Johnson sacked experienced and talented cabinet members when he took over and appointed a series of Brexit nodding dogs in their place.
 

100%

[flecktimus]

1 minute ago, hughesie27 said:

 

That's not really displaying properly on my phone. Able to tease out the info on Italys peak?

I assume you are suggesting that we are going to end up worse than them?

 

TBH i haven't a clue how this is going to work out.

 

[hughesie27]

Was looking at Italys figures on the worldometer site and found this quite interesting.

 

To me that herd immunity part suggests we have a heck of a long way to go.

[Ricardo Shillyshally]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Did it take this long for you to realise that Ricardo? Another sycophant of this government.

I realised it over 10 years ago. He struck it lucky when with BBC during the financial crisis, but has been unwatchable since then.

 

I don't think it's anything to do with "this government". It's all about Peston

[flecktimus]

The USA is  on 1035 deaths with 6.5 hrs to go.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Cade]

Even Whitty and Valance seem at a loss for what to do.

"We want to flatten the curve but we're not there yet but we think it's working but we're not sure and we can't relax things until we flatten the curve but things might get worse but we can't stay on lockdown too long"

Pick the feckin bones out of that shite.

[Ricardo Shillyshally]

Anyone else heard that construction will start up again from 20th April if sites have passed an HSE inspection?

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

An interesting question to ponder is that once we develop a vaccine, which I consider very likely, what are the anti-vaxxers going to do? A tough decision - Ideology or life? I presume that many if not most will refuse to be vaccinated in the hope that a sufficient number of other people will be vaccinated in order to achieve the desired herd immunity. But will governments make the vaccine obligatory in order to ensure its success? Will folk be concerned about side-effects (without fail there will be 5g-like campaigns against the vaccine)? Of course, this all lies in the future, but at some point this will all be the subject of the day.

Very interesting points.  I havent thought that far ahead but I can imagine that any vaccine would be compulsory?  Unsure if they would be able to do this?

[jambopilms]

Just now, Cade said:

Even Whitty and Valance seem at a loss for what to do.

"We want to flatten the curve but we're not there yet but we think it's working but we're not sure and we can't relax things until we flatten the curve but things might get worse but we can't stay on lockdown too long"

Pick the feckin bones out of that shite.

It means we are not saying anything because we will be held to account over anything we say, especially since it is a constantly changing situation. We will tell you when we are sure.

[Victorian]

We have a temporary head of government who cannot say who is in charge.   Everything is decided by collective responsibility.

 

When pressed on the 100k test promise,   he ended ny calling it "the Health Secretary's target".

 

Pathetic.   Weak.    Dishonest.

[jambopilms]

Again with the repeated questions. Today's made up problem is Raab doesn't have overall responsibility. 

[manaliveits105]

Good back up team Boris has there 

Raab Hancock and Sunak very impressive considering their inexperience or indeed anyone’s experience of this situation 

[jambopilms]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

We have a temporary head of government who cannot say who is in charge.   Everything is decided by collective responsibility.

 

When pressed on the 100k test promise,   he ended ny calling it "the Health Secretary's target".

 

Pathetic.   Weak.    Dishonest.

Because he isn't in charge, he is over seeing what's going on. He not going to start changing direction, hiring and firing etc. He is a stand in. Just like any other business when the boss is away. Made up problems.